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Is David Foster Wallace high brow, or mid-high brow? Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sat Apr 6 18:38:44 2013 No.3633944 [DELETED]

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Not that it matters, I suppose, but I'm curious what /lit/ thinks. Use the chart in the picture for guidance, if you want, or not. I'd say he's mid-high brow. His stuff can be VERY complicated, but it never becomes super hard, plus, his complexity varies from book to book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 18:42:44 2013 No.3633969 Is David Foster Wallace a watermelon, or a cat sorry, I thought this was a thread for posting meaningless questions (I'm not sorry) (and I didn't actually think that) (this is just a bad thread)

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sat Apr 6 18:45:44 2013 No.3633985 >>3633969 >Is David Foster Wallace a watermelon, or a cat Quite honestly, Sunhawk thinks he leans toward being a cat. >this is just a bad thread Well yes, with shitheads like you posing in Sunhawk's magnificent threads.

Anonymous Sat Apr 6 19:22:44 2013 No.3634142

I've never read any, but he's on my list
I would have put DeLillo in mid-high brow and Atwood and Murakami in low-mid brow

Because Delillo may raise my children
Whereas I can't into Murakami because I think he has problems
Atwood is mainstream in a bad way

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 20:24:44 2013 No.3634322 >>3634142 >Because Delillo may raise my children Whereas I can't into Murakami because I think he has problems What?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 20:28:45 2013 No.3634336 he's highbrow if you're paying attention middle-high if you just read him to read him

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 20:52:44 2013 No.3634402 Who are Dan Brown and James Patterson and why are they so bad?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 20:58:44 2013 No.3634422 >>3634402 >Who are Dan Brown and James Patterson and why are they so bad? Da Vinci Code and Alex Cross.

Anonymous Sat Apr 6 21:03:45 2013 No.3634439

Sunhawk, how the fuck can you make this thread and then post this in another:

"It all depends on what you want to do.

If you want to look at Madame Bovary to pick out examples of free indirect style, you can do that. If you want to find metaphors in Tolstoy, you can do that too. If you want to pick out rhyming couplets and alliteration in Hamlet, then by all means do. But don't make the mistake of saying 'this is a good book because I found an example of X'.

By sorting works into a positive/negative grading you are making a subjective statement; albeit one which may have some consensus, but one which is artificial.

If you have to have a categorisation of 'value' in literature, you will first need to stipulate your criteria: 'We shall form a 'value grid' and chart metaphors, clause length, ratio of narrative to exposition, and use of parenthetic clauses'. Now, using your criteria, you can chart literature within your model, even having consensus once you show you requirements to others. But, you cannot say that the book with the most points is the best(good), and the one at the bottom is 'the worst(bad)."

Anonymous Sat Apr 6 21:08:44 2013 No.3634448

That chart seems to use various -brows as just a way of rating something's quality, which to my understanding (I admit I'm no expert) is not how lowbrow/highbrow etc. work. (And maybe it's intentionally doing that to troll me). For example Pynchon marries some really highbrow scientific and mathematical ideas with the occasional lowbrow humor. DFW works pretty similarly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 6 21:45:50 2013 No.3634515 lol! toasting in another epic sunhock bread! archive quick!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 15:45:45 2013 No.3636211 complexity =\|= opacity DFW = bandana-brow...

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 15:47:45 2013 No.3636215 I love Sunhawk threads.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 16:35:50 2013 No.3636327 >>3636215 It's fucking Sunhawk central on /lit/ today.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 16:39:45 2013 No.3636335 >>3636327 Yeah this is like the tenth Sunhawk thread in 24 hours.

>>	Sunhawk !r.192u62CQ Sun Apr 7 16:39:45 2013 No.3636336 >>3636327 I am Sunhawk

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 16:43:45 2013 No.3636344 >>3636336 >Implying

>>	Sunhawk !uvgnwJp7lw Sun Apr 7 16:44:45 2013 No.3636346 Real Sunhawk here.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 16:49:45 2013 No.3636355 Holy shit, Sunhawk's tripcode is sunhawk. Sunhawk #sunhawk

>>	Ezra !36PjEKSxqo Sun Apr 7 16:51:45 2013 No.3636359 >>3633944 Sunhawk,, I expect better from you. This post sucks.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 16:51:45 2013 No.3636361 I love dan brown

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 16:51:45 2013 No.3636362 Testing.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 16:53:45 2013 No.3636367 >>3636359 I'm Sorry.

>>	Ezra !36PjEKSxqo Sun Apr 7 16:55:45 2013 No.3636375 >>3636355 >>3636346 >>3636336 >Trolling one of the few tripfags we have >You can tell the health of a board by the number of tripfags it has

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 16:57:45 2013 No.3636380 >>3636355 >Holy shit, Sunhawk's tripcode is sunhawk. Well, Fuck!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:09:45 2013 No.3636390 >>3636359 Aren't you the guy that likes Snow Crash. Yeah... nobody's gonna take you seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:15:45 2013 No.3636397 Where does Joseph Conrad go?

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 17:17:46 2013 No.3636401 I still haven't bothered to read Joyce

>>	Ezra !36PjEKSxqo Sun Apr 7 17:23:45 2013 No.3636407 >>3636390 >Art that become popular or mainstream (such as ASOIAF) is instantly despised on 4chan True fact.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:26:45 2013 No.3636417 I know I'm posting in a Sunhawk thread but City of Glass by Paul Auster was way 3deep5me.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 17:28:45 2013 No.3636421 >>3636355 Maybe now that faggot will stop polluting this board.

>>	Ezra !36PjEKSxqo Sun Apr 7 17:30:45 2013 No.3636424 >>3636390 And you know the truth, but I'd be willing to be $15 that you have not read Snow Crash. Oh you've probably read the plot synopsis on wikipedia and maybe some reviews on amazon, but as for the actual book? No.

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:32:45 2013 No.3636428

Sunhawk, why are you hell-bent are reposting your idiotic color belt thread so damn frequently?

And how is Pinecone highbrow? Historical/scientific allusions doesn't make a work "highbrow," especially when blended with all the "lowbrow" humor/cultural references. It transcends the brow dichotomy, and you really don't have to be a rocket scientist to read his books.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 17:33:45 2013 No.3636429 >>3636375 >tripfag says the health of a board is directly correlated to the number of tripfags >whyamInotsurprised.png Fuck off. Tripfags destroy boards.

>>	sage and protect Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:37:45 2013 No.3636435 >>3636375 >You can tell the health of a board by the number of tripfags it has Yep. More precisely: the less tripfags, the better. Tripfagging in this post for sage-related purpose.

Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:46:45 2013 No.3636451

>>3636424
I have read the book. Three years ago. I don't remember much of it. It was long, it was very much plot driven. It had someone on a skateboard or something, I think he had a japanese name. And as I said in the other thread, I remember the Russian guy having sex with the 15 year old girl.

The concept wasn't special, the plot wasn't great, the characters weren't that memorable and the 'hip' pizza delivery stuff, and setting didn't age well.

There was also the showing off of knowledge. Although I did kinda like what he did with Babel.

In any case, I can't really take it seriously as virtuous literature.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 17:50:45 2013 No.3636459 >>3636428 >Sunhawk, why are you hell-bent are reposting your idiotic colour belt thread so damn frequently? It wasn't me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:53:45 2013 No.3636467 >yet another anglocentric tier list Maximum pleb.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:55:45 2013 No.3636471 File: 6 KB, 129x199, 1364927352724.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3636467 >complaining about anglocentrism on an American website

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 7 17:56:45 2013 No.3636477 >>3633944 You're a fucking moron.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 17:57:45 2013 No.3636478 >>3636459 Yes it was. Please stop pretending to be me.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Sun Apr 7 18:01:45 2013 No.3636487 >>3636477 Shut your whore mouth, Sunhawk is God.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:15:46 2013 No.3638047 >>3636375 What.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 05:53:46 2013 No.3638093 >>3633944 >Vladamir Nobokov >o

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 06:10:45 2013 No.3638113 >>3633944 According to the schema, he was definitely middle brow.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Mon Apr 8 07:16:46 2013 No.3638168 >>3638093 >Vladamir Nobokov >Vladamir >a

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Mon Apr 8 07:22:45 2013 No.3638175 File: 22 KB, 205x300, 1363100387596.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3638168 >Vlodomor Nobokov

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Mon Apr 8 07:23:45 2013 No.3638178 Secure tripcodes are for jerks

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:43:48 2013 No.3639631 So what if you, oh I don't know, want to have fun? Like reading Brandon Sanderson or some other fiction writer that's in it for fun rather than pseudo-intellectualism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:46:48 2013 No.3639649 File: 11 KB, 302x448, Business man in a rush.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3633944 Vargas Llosa in... in... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Douchebag. Try arsenic and do us all a favor.

>>	Sunhawk !mRK/oMYODw Mon Apr 8 18:50:47 2013 No.3639669 >>3639649 Say that to my face in real life, see what happens

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:55:47 2013 No.3639694 File: 178 KB, 640x480, scared-to-death.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3639669 OH NO! A REAL MAN! MY TROLLING DAYS ARE OVAH!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 18:57:48 2013 No.3639703 I thought Infinite Jest was harder than Gravity's Rainbow. Sure, Pynchon's writing is dense, but at least that shit was linear.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:04:47 2013 No.3639739 Would Stieg Larsen be Brown-tier?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:07:48 2013 No.3639754 Jesus christ pynchon is fuckin' entry-level mid-tier at best why the fuck do you people deify him i'll never understand

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:09:48 2013 No.3639763 >>3639754 to clarify: not that he's terrible, but he's far from this impenetrable ubermensch he's made out as. He's solid but nothing more, and he's not really difficult at all

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 8 19:10:48 2013 No.3639765 File: 10 KB, 302x167, plebs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3639754 Plebs, plebs everywhere!

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