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[Anonymous No.3604504]

How can Nietzsche distance himself from metaphysics if he believes in the Will to Power?

[Anonymous No.3604508]

metaphysics is barely related to the will to power

[Anonymous No.3604509]

will to power is not metaphysics

[Anonymous No.3604515]

will to power =/= metaphysics

[Anonymous No.3604520]

metaphysics aren't the will to power

[Anonymous No.3604521]

I really don't understand this concept. Is it an epistemological cut? How he can talk about a non-ontology of the material world but talk about a Will to Power?

[Anonymous No.3604523]

>>3604504
The full concept of the Will to Power never came wholly to fruition in Nietzsche's published writing. What we know about it, apart from a few select statements in Beyond Good and Evil and perhaps a few other places, is from the Nachlass. The Will to Power is best regarded as a concept still in formation as seen in his notes. There's no way of telling if Nietzsche would have ever published about that idea in such a charged manner as his sister would have made us believe curating, selecting and publishing his notes post-humously or at least post-breakdown without his consent.

[Anonymous No.3604527]

>>3604508
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>>3604520

[satan !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 No.3604530]

>>3604521

the will (i think those capital letters are confusing you) is an entirely materialist concept,borrowed from schopenhauer who bridged the gap between german idealism and materialism

[Anonymous No.3604543]

>>3604523

He talks about it in most if not all his books and gives multiple example.

[Anonymous No.3604548]

>>3604543

Anti-Darwin. — As for the famous "struggle for existence," so far it
seems to me to be asserted rather than proved. It occurs, but as an exception; the total
appearance of life is not the extremity, not starvation, but rather riches, profusion,
even absurd squandering — and where there is struggle, it is a struggle for power.
One should not mistake Malthus for nature.

[Anonymous No.3604550]

it's cool to say the WTP isn't a metaphysical idea, but plenty of Nietzsche's thoughts it are metaphysically suggestive. People who think otherwise have probably read too much Heidegger and continental commentary.

naturalism being a metaphysical position too, of course.

[Anonymous No.3604553]

>>3604548

Assuming, however, that there is such a struggle for existence — and,
indeed, it occurs — its result is unfortunately the opposite of what Darwin's school
desires, and of what one might perhaps desire with them — namely, in favor of the
strong, the privileged, the fortunate exceptions. The species do not grow in perfection:
the weak prevail over the strong again and again, for they are the great majority —
and they are also more intelligent

[Anonymous No.3604555]

>>3604553
Darwin forgot the spirit (that is English!); the weak
have more spirit. One must need spirit to acquire spirit; one loses it when one no
longer needs it. Whoever has strength dispenses with the spirit ("Let it go!" they think
in Germany today; "the Reich must still remain to us"). It will be noted that by "spirit"
I mean care, patience, cunning, simulation, great self-control, and everything that is
mimicry (the latter includes a great deal of so-called virtue).

[satan !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 No.3604559]

>>3604550

when we talk about metaphysics, in the way nietzsche talked about metaphysics. we mean arbitrarily-loaded ontology.
well aware there is en entire contemporary discourse on materialist and naturalist "metaphysics"

[Anonymous No.3604590]

>>3604543
Earlier development towards the concept can of course be noted, but Will to Power as such doesn't rear it's head until at least TSZ I believe.

[Anonymous No.3605629]

The will to power is like early Nieztsche's Primal Oneness (or Primordial Unity) in Dionysus. That is most certainly metaphysical, though importantly non-teleological.