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On a 10 point scale rate the quality of an author's
1) Prose
2) Narrative and character development
3) Ideas (has this author changed the way you look at things)

>> No.3598265
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3598265

>Prose 9.7
This is definitely Shakespeare's strong suit.
> Narrative 4.5
He's not the best with character development. Narrative wise, he is pretty derivative and makes too many mistakes/implausibilities at critical points (the pirates in Hamlet, Desdemona coming back from the dead, etc). He could be a lot worse, though.
> Ideas 7.6
This is a hard judgment to make. I'll go conservative and say that its in between his narrative and prose. Personally, I've gotten some interesting things from him, but nothing earth-shattering.

>> No.3598279
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3598279

>Prose - 7
At times it is a little heavy-handed but often it can be quite poetical. That said, isn't the main strength of his non-poetical work.
>Narrative... - 10
This is Hardy's strength. Has an amazing ability to create a large cast and weave elaborate, moving stories from them.
>Ideas - 8
Today might not seem so unusual but for the time the ideas in his works were scandalous. His views on marriage, industrialization, education, classes was so controversial that he gave up writing novels as the criticisms were so harsh. I still think Tess is relevant today: go on /r9k/ and you still see people holding the views of some of the characters - rape can be blamed on the victim and if you're a woman and non-virgin then you're useless.

>> No.3598280
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3598280

>PROSE:

NINE OUT OF TEN.

>NARRATIVE & CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT:

SEVEN POINT FIVE OUT OF TEN.

>THEMES:

NINE OUT OF TEN.

>> No.3598288
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3598288

>PROSE:

SEVEN OUT OF TEN.

>NARRATIVE & CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT:

NINE OUT OF TEN.

>THEMES:

EIGHT POINT FIVE OUT OF TEN.

>> No.3598289

>>3598265
>the pirates in Hamlet
I thought you were going to talk about how just as Hamlet died, Fortenfucker came in out of nowhere with his army.

>> No.3598299

>>3598265
thank God somebody else isn't a
>OMGSHAKESPEAREGREATESTOFALLTIME
fag.

Why does every author ever have such a boner over him? It's great for it's time, but in the grand scheme of things?

>> No.3598306
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3598306

>Prose 8.5?
I don't read Spanish, so I can't really say. I've only read the Hurley translation. It's ok.
> Narrative 6.5-9.5
Also hard to assess...by and large he doesn't pay much attention to his characters. The paths some of the stories take is awe inspiring, though. Maybe that's more the next category.
> 10
No question. For variety and depth Borges gives you the best bang for your buck.

>> No.3598311
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3598311

>Prose 10/10

> Narrative 2/10

> Ideas 1/10

>> No.3598312
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3598312

>PROSE:

NINE OUT OF TEN.

>NARRATIVE & CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT:

SEVEN POINT FIVE OUT OF TEN.

>THEMES:

NINE OUT OF TEN.

>> No.3598314

>>3598299
He created great (not amazing or the best) stories that appealed to the masses. He's relevant because even peasants could understand him.

>> No.3598327
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3598327

>Prose - 7.5
Able to write it well, the language used by the policemen in the Third Policemen is hilarious. As well as the variety in At Swim Two-Birds. However, at times his writing can be a bit muddled and confusing.
>Narrative - 7.5
The Third Policeman and half his works are pretty straight forward narratives, nothing remarkable, although entertaining. He gets most of his points for At Swim Two-Birds which is just insane genius.
>Ideas - 8
His ideas make his work, half the time they're not anything awe-inspiring or revealing, just bizarre and memorable.

>> No.3598331

>>3598312
die

>> No.3598336

>>3598299
I don't understand the worship either. A decent number of people have been critical, though. Tolstoy, Joyce, Shaw, Wilde, and some others have strayed from orthodoxy.

>> No.3598343

>>3598336
Wilde and Shaw wrote plays that followed many elements of what defined a play.

>> No.3598366

Tolstoy

1. 7
2. 10
3. 2

>> No.3598394

>>3598343
The earlier post was commenting on their willingness to see flaws in Shakespeare, not their own writing.

>> No.3598397

>>3598394
>>3598343
>>3598336
>>3598314
>>3598299
>>3598289

NO. ONE. FUCKING. CARES.

>> No.3598415
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3598415

> Prose
As an author: 8.8/10 As a non-native French author: 9.5/10
>Narrative
Doesn't really apply. Some written anecdotes suggest he's a 7/8 out of ten.
>Ideas
He understood the world. Bold 10 as far as I'm concerned.

>> No.3599143
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3599143

> Prose 7
Nothing too noteworthy here.
> Narrative 7
Also, not especially great, but good.
> Ideas 9.5
This is the most important of the three for Orwell. There is no debating that he changed the way the world looks at government, media, and history.

>> No.3599165

>>3598306

Borges prose quality : 11/10

It is actually a problem for those who read him a lot not to unintentionally plagarize his style

>> No.3599217

>>3598397
It's a conversation anon. It's okay.