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3593531 No.3593531 [Reply] [Original]

Is there any good philosophy about why liking sports is pointless and how not liking sports doesn't make you less of a man

>> No.3593537

Its not like naming a type of philosophy is going to change anyone's opinion who thinks you are less of a person for disliking sports.

>> No.3593548

Sports is OK in principle, but pretty much all sportsmen are scumbags

>> No.3593549

Why don't you start with why a person would believe liking sports makes you a man?

>> No.3593551

Why don't you start with why you're concerned about adhering to the social construct that is gender?

>> No.3593595

>>3593531
Why do you care about what some dumb rednecks think? You really think a book will convince them to accept you for who you are? They dont even read. You need to learn not to give a fuck and not try to justify being yourself to other assholes.

>> No.3593624

The enmity between sports and scholarship is even dumber than the animosity between organized religion and academic science.

Seriously OP, get some morphine, and apply it to your butthole.

Acknowledge that other people's priorities and values in life might be just as valid as your own and that sports have existed for 40000 years for a reason.

>> No.3593627

>>3593624
What's the reason?

>> No.3593650

>>3593624
>sports have existed for 40000 years
No, not really. Sport in its modern form was an invention of Victorian Britain, and never even spread much beyond the anglosphere.

>> No.3593652

>this nerdfest

let's get /sp/ up in this bitch

>> No.3593655
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>>3593531
Just because you're a shut in, unathletic manlet, doesn't mean sports are worthless.

>> No.3593658

Not philosophy but Plutarch's Life of Alexander mentions that Alexander was frequently presented with athletes and that he routinely dismissed them as being unimpressive, boring, and dumb.

>> No.3593660

If its good enough for Camus, its good enough for me.

>> No.3593662

>>3593660
>Camus
Yeah, go back to reddit

>> No.3593663

>>3593662
Camus is reddit-tier now? I thought they got off on Dawkins and misunderstood Orwell quotes?

>> No.3593665

>>3593663
It always has been. Take your le stranger edgy existentialism crises somewhere else

>> No.3593666

>>3593650
>what are the olympic fucking games
seriously, if you're going to make a statement like that, at least try to back it up.

>> No.3593667

>>3593665
What should I be reading instead?

>> No.3593668

>>3593667
ask redirt

>> No.3593670

>>3593668
I'd rather ask you.

>> No.3593686
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3593686

>sports
>pointless
Clearly competition in which everyone in the world can take part in is worthless. Clearly supporting something bigger than yourself and establishing a connection with your fellow man is a waste of brain cells.
Also czech em.

>> No.3593697

>>3593666
>seriously, if you're going to make a statement like that, at least try to back it up.
The original Olympic Games were a pagan festival in celebration of the Greek Gods, you fucking moron. They were nothing like modern 'sports' and had nothing to do with the modern concept of sportsmanship.

>> No.3593700

>>3593686
> Likes sports
> Too dumb to even get dubs
Liking sports makes you stupid.

>> No.3593714

Haha, you guys are insecure as fuck

>> No.3593741
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>>3593531

>wanting to find a way around the fact that his pussy ass subjectivist mindset falls flat on its face when pressed with any goals or objectives.

casual.

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3593742

>>3593670

not that guy, but read this.

>> No.3593748

>>3593742
why?

>> No.3593759

>>3593748

because you asked.

>> No.3593763

"Cheering for laundry"

But participating in them is healthy. OBVIOUSLY.

>> No.3593767

>implying sports aren't one of the purest forms of drama

Unless its the NBA,

>> No.3593776

Might be worth looking at Norbert Elias' theory of 'controlled decontrolling' - not quite philosophy, but still interesting all the same.

>> No.3593777

>>3593776
Introduce it.

>> No.3593786

>>3593777

It essentially outlines the idea that sport, and other non-participatory events or interests, are implemented and encouraged by society to hide the routine nature of everyday life.

The more sport we are to able to watch and get involved in, the less likely we are to question why we all work form 9-5 5 days a week.

>> No.3593800

>>3593759
Why that book?

>> No.3593812

>>3593786
Well, that's essentially entertainment is. To escape from our monotones life.

>> No.3593820

>>3593812

Calm down Karl.

It focuses on sport, which is what OP was looking for - so I threw it out there.

>> No.3593829

>>3593820
>Calm down
He didn't seem riled up at all

>> No.3593830

>>3593829

Absolutely agree - was all in good jest.

>> No.3593832

delillo's underworld and infinite jest

>> No.3593835

>>3593650
The fucking aztecs had sports. Everyone had sports get the hell pit of here

>> No.3593838

>>3593835
Even the Atlantida guys were playing some sort of weird american football

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>>3593800

cause based on an ungraspable number of continuous factors, ive decided that it might be worthwhile too you.

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3594561

What's the matter, OP? Can't handle a little competition and banter, so you're asking /lit/ to convince yourself you're not a failure?

>> No.3594589

>>3593832
will now imagine delillo IJ

>> No.3594616

>>3593531
Nope, one of the pinnacles of philosophy is a sound mind in a healthy body. You need sports.

>> No.3594629

>>3594589
You mean 'White Noise'?

>> No.3594633

Sports fan here. I always just figured it was just reality tv for straight males

>> No.3594636

>>3593531
>no questionmark

you must be fat, ugly and lazy

>> No.3594639
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3594639

OP has got to be a parody...

>> No.3594646

>>3593531
What you have to remember is that sports, exercise, etc. are all good things in and of themselves, and making a living off one of them as an entertainer of sorts is also a respectable lifestyle.

The problem you get into is when people are using them as drugs, basically, devoting their whole lives to sports, not as a player but as a "fan", and using it to fill in some gaping hole in your life. At that point sports become as dangerous as reality TV shows, etc.

Basically, they can contain the same dangers other forms of entertainment do, and this is b/c they have become primarily a form of entertainment in our society. Not really anything specific to sports themselves.

>> No.3594651

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1M730cYkic

>> No.3594671
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3594671

>>3594651
So fucking beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djuaippXifM

>> No.3594702

It takes someone with masculine qualities to be a talented performer of sports, but by just not liking sports it does not imply some sort of inferiority, just a lack of will. For example, if I don't like reading books, that does not mean I cannot be an intelligent person. I don't know what your definition of "pointless" is, though. Sports themselves have a "point" of reaching the objective of winning. And as a general act for humans, it promotes good health, community, competition, entertainment, and other primal facets which are important to living things.

>> No.3595193

>>3594651
>>3594671
The feeling of being in a crowd like that is so much more intense than being at a concert. Especially when you're in a stadium.

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>>3594671
lol.

>> No.3595240

>>3595201
>any other country than russia responsible for beating germany

>> No.3595248

Bump because it's good to know I'm not the only one who thinks sports are an overestimated waste of money.

>> No.3595276

>>3595240
>any other country than russia responsible for beating germany
wut. Russia were getting their asses handed to them before Stalin repeatedly begged Churchill to step in.

>> No.3595297

You should start with <Lenskyj, Helen Jefferson (2008) Olympic Industry Resistance: Challenging Olympic Power and Propaganda>. Will give you a good picture on what we call today modern/professional sport and Olimpycs.


manaci same

>> No.3595312

>>3593655

You've got it backwards. We unathletic manlets don't think sports are worthless because we're unathletic. We're unathletic because we never spend time playing worthless sports.

>> No.3595320

>implying the only reason why would anyone not like the sports industry is being a manlet or unathletic
>implying /sp/ shitheads are not couch potatoes watching american football 24/7 in front of their tv

>> No.3595329
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3595329

>>3595276
u wot m8
keep in mind that Germany was once a few miles outside of Moscow earlier in the war

I bet you're one of those cunts that thinks D-Day was a major turning point, more so than Stalingrad or the battle of Moscow

>> No.3595341

>>3595276
>>3595329
And of all things Churchill actively put most of the burden on Russia because he wanted to weaken them. Guy was still very much "muh British Empire, expansion"

>> No.3595356 [DELETED] 

I'm getting my degree in the liberal arts.
I love the nba.

I have guy friends who are totally into it in a bro-er fashion than myself, but I'm okay with that. You know why? Because this is the diversity that make our world exciting and worth living in. I have little in common with plenty of people I meet. Do I let it fester into animosity? Fuck no.

It takes a weak will to turn down society for what it is, blisters and all. Open your mind and be a good person. Thats all that matters.

>> No.3595369

>>3593697
Athletes still spent their lives training specifically for them. And people still went out of their way to watch and enjoy the games.

>> No.3595370

>Not keeping yourself in peak condition

>> No.3595372

>>3595329
The Nazi's slaughtered 16 million Russians and only quarter of a million Brits. They were happy to slaughter more until Britain saved them.

>> No.3595373

What makes literature better than sports?

>> No.3595377

>>3593551
>implying any social construct relating to gender isn't mostly influenced by our biology

>> No.3595383

>>3593531
Sounds like you should exercise more.

>> No.3595384

>>3595377
>implying any biological notion of gender isn't mostly derived from social constructs

>> No.3595392

I'm getting my degree in the liberal arts.
I love the nba.

I have guy friends who are totally into it in a bro-er fashion than myself, but I'm okay with that. You know why? Because this is the diversity that make our world exciting and worth living in. I have little in common with plenty of people I meet. Do I let it fester into animosity? Fuck no.

It takes a weak will to turn down society for what it is, blisters and all. Open your mind and be a good person. Thats all that matters.

>> No.3595404

>>3595372
lol

>> No.3595411

>>3595372
you have yet to demonstrate how Britain saved Russia

moreoever, why it took 16 million civilian deaths of various reasons to convince the Brits they should help

>> No.3595412

>>3595384
>implying gender roles weren't already in place before we had the ability construct societies, and that gender dimorphism can't be observed in most other species of mammals

>> No.3595418
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3595418

Physical activity has been healthy and masculine all the way back to the caveman days. I'm not trying to be sexist, as people of both genders who are out of shape are less attractive, happy, and healthy. Any debate on this mostly would be whining about shit and denying science.

>> No.3595458

>>3595412
>not knowing gender roles are different in different cultures and times
>confusing gender and sex

>> No.3595462

>>3595412
implying social = mainstream notion of 'society'

>> No.3595488

>>3595411
>why it took 16 million civilian deaths of various reasons to convince the Brits they should help
The Brits helped because of the Arab oil, not because of the numbers of dead Soviets. This is well documented. They didn't give a fuck about the Soviets. As far as they were concerned, Stalin with his Gulags was just as bad as Hitler. As the Nazis were dominating Europe, the supply of oil to the UK started to become restricted, and Churchill realised that If Hitler could just take a small part of Southern Russia (Georgia and Azerbaijan were Soviet), then he would throttle the supply of oil. Churchill had talks with Stalin – even flying out to stay with him – but he held of giving him any help – although Stalin asked him multiple times – until it looked certain that the Nazi's were going to take Moscow and everything south of it.

There are transcripts of their conversations. Stalin even Insulted Churchill, calling him weak and cowardly. Churchill stood up to the microphones in his bugged room and went on a half hour monologue about how much of a cock he thought Stalin was (I think he said 'peasant thug in a uniform,' not cock) and Stalin apologised and begged him to help when he heard the recordings.

Stalin begged for 150,000 British troops (A figure Churchill wouldn't spare) and Churchill promised to help Stalin, but held of for a long time until it looked certain that Hitler was about to march in to Moscow. Churchill didn't actually provide a single person to help until he was sure that Stalin was about to get his ass kicked.

>> No.3595497

You don't need philosophy to rationalize your own opinions

>> No.3595501

>>3595488
the British never sent troops to Russia to help the Soviets, but even if they did, that would not mean the British won the war

hell the idea that 150,000 British troops saved Russia from certain doom considering the size of WW2 armies is pretty cray, even with sources

>> No.3595509

>>3595488
Why can't britbongs admit that their major WW2 contribution was in Africa and Indochina, and why can't Americans admit their great WW2 contribution was in the Pacific?

I swear every fucking Brit and American believes that they saved Europe from Shitler

>> No.3595530

>>3595501
>the British never sent troops to Russia to help the Soviets
You mean apart from all the ones in September 1941? ... along with "5,000 tanks and 7,000 aircraft were delivered to the Soviets, not to mention 15 million pairs of boots, among the four million tons of vital supplies"


"Germany invaded the USSR on June 22, 1941, bringing to an end the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop non-aggression pact between the countries" ... It was less than three months later that Churchill decided to bail him out after years of ignoring him and not sending a single person. I wonder why? Because the Soviets needed bailing out.

>> No.3595540

>>3595392
ugh, why do you all keep ignoring this? :(

>> No.3595544

>>3595540
Post a gif of you spinning a ball on your finger.

>> No.3595548

>>3595530
>being this dense
I asked for sources of troops being sent, not supplies
it's well known that Britain sent military supplies through the baltic sea, but supplying the soldiers, while certainly contributing to the war effort, is not the kind of "winning the war" I would describe

>> No.3595560

>>3595540
Because it's boring and you're a boring person.

>> No.3595562

>>3595548
>being this dense
Yeah, go fuck yourself.

>> No.3595575

>>3593531
marcus Aurelius i think.

>> No.3596065

>>3595488
>>3595372
>Nazi's

FUCK YOU
>>359384

>> No.3596089

>>3595575
he got it.

marc was not a fan of the then popular circuses. he believed in the stoic philosophy that basically teaches a man just has to survive on earth to be a man.

>> No.3596259

>>3593531
murakami in his running book talks about how he likes non competitive sports, check it

>> No.3596297

>>3593662
>>3593665
>hating on camus
how old are you, 18?

>> No.3596301

>>3596297
>Liking Camus
How old are you, 17?

>> No.3596328

Did your dad make fun of you for not watching football with him and now you're going to try and get back at him by spewing a quote of some pseudo-intellectual garbage that you hardly actually understand under the delusion that he's actually going to listen to you, OP?

>> No.3596360

Sport belongs to a healthy program of recreation. Someone who plays a sport for a living is respectable.

People who watch sports and make it the focus of their lives however are generally deplorable.

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3596363

>>3595530

>the British
>contributing meaningfully to the outcome of any war
>ever

pick none

>> No.3596370

>>3596363
what about the american revolution?

>> No.3596374

>>3596370

pretty sure they lost that one buddy

>> No.3596380

>>3596374
you said contributing, not contributing to the winning side

>> No.3596864

>implying there's a point in liking anything