/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.3571465]

Say I am an aspiring Fascist, what literature would you recommend to me, /lit/? Particularly on classic Fascism.

[Anonymous No.3571468]

The Futurist Manifesto

[Anonymous No.3571472]

Sorry for being slightly off-topic, but why does Amazon overcharge for books relating to fascism so much? Is it another Jewish conspiracy?

Now to be on topic: check out Evola's Ride the Tiger.

[« 零 » !Ry9.23Wow. No.3571475]

>aspiring Fascist

ANYWAY, READ "THE DOCTRINE OF FASCISM", AND ALL THE "WORKS" BY JULIUS EVOLA.

[Anonymous No.3571476]

beasts can't read

[Anonymous No.3571481]

>>3571476
Oh look, it's the thought police come to save the day!

[Anonymous No.3571483]

the symbol of facism is a bundle of sticks bound around an axe.

a bundle of sticks is a faggot.


the symbol of fascism is a faggot with a sharp object.

it is perhaps the most singularly apt symbol ever devised by heraldry.

[Anonymous No.3571484]

>>3571472

I had noticed that as well. I guess /pol/ might be onto something...

[Anonymous No.3571486]

Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.3571495]

>>3571486

A likely troll but I will bite.

I have already read the English translations many years ago, but I don't trust any of the translations and I am not literate in German.

National Socialists are not Fascists.

[Anonymous No.3571510]

>>3571483
Mind blown. Fascism is actual edgy faggotry.

[Anonymous No.3571515]

>>3571476

never heard of that book

[Anonymous No.3571519]

>>3571495
Il Trentino veduto da un Socialista

[Anonymous No.3571520]

>>3571483
why is the fascist symbol a bundle of sticks and axe? I thought that was a roman thing?

[Anonymous No.3571521]

>>3571510

I... I am speechless.

[Anonymous No.3571522]

>>3571520

Where do you think Fascism originates from, dummy?

[Anonymous No.3571524]

>>3571522
But the romans weren't fascists, they had a republic with an elected senate.

[Anonymous No.3571527]

Don't you think that if you have already decided what you are gonna be when you grow up it's in your best interest now to read contrarian stuff and try to falsify your convictions rather than stroke your ego and indulge in confirmation bias?

Another proof that fascism is the sign of the dumb. Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.3571528]

>>3571524
do you really expect fascists to know history?

[« 零 » !Ry9.23Wow. No.3571533]

>>3571528
>>3571524

[Anonymous No.3571534]

>>3571524
>what is the Roman Empire?

[Anonymous No.3571537]

avatarfagging is a bannable offence
don't push me, faggot

[Anonymous No.3571545]

>>3571524

Mussolini wanted to model his state after the Romans, hence why Mussolini chose the Fasces to represent his party.

[Anonymous No.3571556]

>>3571545
>Mussolini wanted to model his state after the Romans
bullshit
they invoked the image of hurr durr prosperous past times to placate the masses; all talk no walk, might have _wanted_ to model his state after the Mount Olympus

[Anonymous No.3571560]

>>3571495
National Socialism ideologically and structurally is pretty fucking close to fascism. Mein Kampf and the Zweites Buch are excellent manuals for a Volk-centric society.

[Anonymous No.3571574]

>>3571560
>Mein Kampf and the Zweites Buch are excellent manuals for a Volk-centric society.
what the fuck is that even supposed to mean?
as opposed to what?

[Anonymous No.3571581]

>>3571574
Hitler's books are great for a society of inbred, uncultured yokels.

[Anonymous No.3571583]

>>3571574
As opposed to multicultural societies for one, assuming that by Volk-centric he means some form of actual nation state, that is, a nation united under a state on behalf of the nation.

[Anonymous No.3571598]

>>3571583
>As opposed to multicultural societies for one
So Volk is not a multicultural society; nice tautology, son

[Anonymous No.3571624]

OP, you really think that the inequality and the problems of the society come from external agents and are not endogenous, and that is possible to make your country totally cultureproof, stopping any influence from the outside? If so, you are a dreamer, a weak that pursue an utopia.
Or are you an aspiring dictator? Or do you just need someone to fuck your ass while he tells you that everything will be ok?

[Anonymous No.3571626]

Fascism is make-believe taken to the extreme, taken seriously only because of the force or threat of force.
1. make up shit that satisfies you aestetically but disregards empirically confirmed reality
2. usurp power
3. enforce your aesthetical sensibilities on others and squash dissent from those who don't share said sensibilities
4. ????
5. Err.. P-profit, I guess? At least until the reality catches up to your fantasies and bites you in the ass.

[Anonymous No.3571628]

>>3571465
>Say I am an aspiring Fascist

/pol/ pls go

[Anonymous No.3571645]

>>3571624
>>3571626
ITT: bourgeois liberal utilitarian hedonists demonize a political philosophy they haven't actually read or understood

Fascism is an historical conception in which man could not be what he is without being a factor in the spiritual process to which he contributes, either in the family sphere or in the social sphere, in the nation or in history in general to which all nations contribute. Hence is derived the great importance of tradition in the records, language, customs and rules of human society. Man without a part in history is nothing.

For this reason Fascism is opposed to all the abstractions of an individualistic character based upon materialism typical of the Eighteenth Century; and it is opposed to all the Jacobin innovations and utopias. It does not believe in the possibility of "happiness" on earth as conceived by the literature of the economists of the Seventeenth Century; it therefore spurns all the teleological conceptions of final causes through which, at a given period of history, a final systematisation of the human race would take place. Such theories only mean placing oneself outside real history and life, which is a continual ebb and flow and process of realisations.

Politically speaking, Fascism aims at being a realistic doctrine; in its practice it aspired to solve only the problems which present themselves of their own accord in the process of history, and which of themselves find or suggest their own solution. To have the effect of action among men, it is necessary to enter into the process of reality and to master the forces actually at work.

[Anonymous No.3571658]

>>3571624

No, I think today's problems are a cause from the masses and their lack of discipline and rampant hedonism who do harmful things to their own kin.

A unified state is the best state, and people are too stupid to be trusted with democracy and social and economical liberty.

I am not hostile to foreigners just for the sake of them being foreign, but its more about keeping people in line and working together for a common goal.

[Anonymous No.3571662]

pls go /pol/

[Anonymous No.3571674]

>>3571658
Related to this, you might be interested in the ideas of Ibn Khaldun and Arnold Toynbee, OP:

http://muslimphilosophy.com/ik/Muqaddimah/Chapter2/Ch_2_07.htm
http://muslimphilosophy.com/ik/Muqaddimah/Chapter2/Ch_2_08.htm
http://muslimphilosophy.com/ik/Muqaddimah/Chapter2/Ch_2_12.htm

Compare asabiyyah (group feeling/solidarity) to Volksgemeinschaft for example.

[Anonymous No.3571678]

>>3571674

I'll take a look at these. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.3571680]

>>3571662
>>3571628
shitposter pls go

[Anonymous No.3571682]

>>3571645
>hedonists
Fascism is the ultimate expression of hedonism, except not of the suckered followers but of the pioneering avant-garde. Fascism is foremost about aesthetics rather than addressing actual problems and finding actual solutions relating to the fucking reality.

You are a factor in Fascism, sure, just a tool assigned to its arbitrary place by self-proclimed, manipulatory, usurpatory 'authority'.

You wanna play the game of being a tool, go ahead, who gives a fuck. The problem starts when you try to enforce it on others with your ridiculous claims on other peoples lives, history, ethics, accomplishments, knowledge, basically totalitarian grab at everything ever.

>Politically speaking, Fascism aims at being a realistic doctrine; in its practice it aspired to solve only the problems which present themselves of their own accord in the process of history, and which of themselves find or suggest their own solution. To have the effect of action among men, it is necessary to enter into the process of reality and to master the forces actually at work.
This is what the propaganda wants the tool to think. Since you abandoned reason as a sign of loyalty to your ideology (what a coincidental demand!) you are no longer able to see the signs of deception. You stripped yourself of the ability to ever realize you are being manipulated for arbitrary, personal goals of a cynical clique.

[Anonymous No.3571696]

>>3571682

anarchists pls go

[Anonymous No.3571699]

>>3571481
>doesn't agree with you
>clearly the though police

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3571700]

>>3571481
Thought police? giving your opinion is being the "thought police"? Fascists are a great example of what thought police is. You deserve to live on a fascist regime and see what it really is for yourself.

[Anonymous No.3571701]

>advocating hierarchy
pig disgusting
/pol/ pls go

[Anonymous No.3571704]

>>3571658
yeah, and this lack of discipline and rampant hedonism come from the outside? cause fascism is based on the belief that the masses are good, and the conflicts between different social classes aren´t endogenous
and what is this common goal? the only goal in a fascism regime is the government´s goal, so if you don´t want to be a dictator I don´t get the point
plus, a unified state would be the best state only if it was the only state in the world

[Anonymous No.3571710]

>>3571682
>personal goals of a cynical clique
and by this I don't mean there's some shadowy conspiracy behind every fascist movement. I simply mean that fascism, as a result of its mechanics, is INCAPABLE of being anything other than a convoluted machine of enforcing goals and sensibilities of a small, avant-garde group. If you want to work for "the volk" (though fascist is historically about the STATE - the institution -, not the society), or any other collective, a totalitarian movement is the last thing you wanna choose.

>>3571696
how is this anarchist, moran? Not wanting to be a tool is anarchist thing now? jesus fucking christ

[Anonymous No.3571713]

>>3571645
>bourgeois liberal utilitarian hedonists
you know who d´annunzio is?

[Anonymous No.3571714]

>>3571645
>fascism
>not bourgeois

[Anonymous No.3571717]

>>3571465
MIX OF CORPORATE AND STATE POWER

READ ANY ARTICLES ON THE UNITED STATES. SAGE FOR IRRELEVANT 3RD POSITION

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3571721]

>>3571645
>Politically speaking, Fascism aims at being a realistic doctrine;
lol it fails terribly then. Fascism regimes only serve to the capitalists as an extreme anti-communist weapon which isn't supposed to last long.

Fascism regurgitates the populist elements of socialism and tries to integrate them on an ideology which allows those rich capitalists who exploited the working class using 17th and 18th century economics and politics as a pretext, to continue exploiting the working class but getting rid of the menace that suppose anarchism and communism.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3571725]

>>3571658
>unified state
Why not communism then?

[Anonymous No.3571727]

btw OP, here in Italy we´re having a revival, looking closely you can understand how fascist propaganda works

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3571733]

>>3571714
Don't be tough on him, he clearly ignores the most fundamental facts about 20th century History.

[Anonymous No.3571742]

>>3571645
it´s this propaganda or what? Cause a fascist doesn´t really believe in all this bullshit

>>3571721
>Fascism regimes only serve to the capitalists as an extreme anti-communist weapon which isn't supposed to last long.
this

[Anonymous No.3571765]

Fascism
>The Fascist: Hey guys, we're too cool for the usual left and right economics, so we're going to look past all that

>Joe: OH SHIT REALLY? THATS SO EDGY AND COOLL!!1!!

>The Fagg- Fascist: Yeah. Basically, we're going to revere all people of our nation as equals

>Joe: OH BOY FOR REALZ?

>Fascy: Yeah! We're gonna keep our corporations and provide for our people as well!

>Joe: OH BOY YAY!

>The F-f-f-fascist: Here's your Room with a shit hole, a small cooking hot plate and the address to our employment office

>Joe, living like a hobo: OH-Oh... ok. I guess we all have to sacrifice :DDD
>But wait, why does Mr.Rebbit get to live lavishly?

>Mr. Rebbit: Oh shame on you, working man. I provide jobs for you! Besides, we are all equal anyway! Viva Italia or something like that!

>Joe: O-oh okay... y-you too.

The story ends with lil Joe Schmo getting a posterboy job and making enough to live. However, he needs a bike for this job. It get's robbed. He is unable to find it and succumbs to stealing someone elses bike. He fails. His son sees him trying to steal a bike. The son becomes OP, the leader of a Neo-Fascist state who never realized it was his fascism that made his Father the way he was in the first place.

[Anonymous No.3571770]

>>3571524
>>3571522
>>3571520
>>3571510
>>3571483

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces

[Anonymous No.3571771]

>>3571658
>I think[...]
That's what you got? Your feeeelies?
Oh wow, seems like a great basis for social engineering and reshufling of the order.

Fascists are the dumbest lot, by far.

[Anonymous No.3571773]

>>3571765
I see what you did there, anon. I'll see you in /tv/

[Anonymous No.3571782]

>>3571771
>implying that all politics aren't really identity politics

cute

[Anonymous No.3571788]

>>3571727

Talking about The Comedian or the Dwarf? Both are fascist in a way.

[Anonymous No.3571795]

>>3571725

Because Communism is based on the lie of egalitarianism.

[satan !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 No.3571799]

I was always put off by that underwhelming zeal of people preaching any universilizable theory;any political philosophy, and despite my natural inclinations towards vaguely supporting the ideals of a historic, socio-archaeologic conception of Man, i was always disenheartened by my utter emotional detachment from the successes of others, be they any relevant demographic, ancestor, or future progeny. I see no sense in a "collective pride", mine is strictly a fascism of the particular

[Anonymous No.3571800]

>>3571795
>muh tradition
>muh human nature

[Anonymous No.3571801]

>>3571710
>though fascist is historically about the STATE

Anti-individualistic, the Fascist conception is for the State; it is for the individual only in so far as he coincides with the State, universal consciousness and will of man in his historic existence. It is opposed to the classic Liberalism which arose out of the need of reaction against absolutism, and had accomplished its mission in history when the State itself had become transformed in the popular will and consciousness.

Liberalism denied the State in the interests of the particular individual; Fascism reaffirms the State as the only true expression of the individual.

And if liberty is to be the attribute of the real man, and not of the scarecrow invented by the individualistic Liberalism, then Fascism is for liberty. It is for the only kind of liberty that is serious—the liberty of the State and of the individual in the State. Because, for the Fascist, all is comprised in the State and nothing spiritual or human exists—much less has any value—outside the State. In this respect Fascism is a totalising concept, and the Fascist State—the unification and synthesis of every value—interprets, develops and potentiates the whole life of the people.

[Anonymous No.3571803]

>>3571795
>egalitarianism
>lie

Please explain.

I'm considering unifying /pol/ just to oust bundles of sticks like yourself.

[Anonymous No.3571805]

>>3571801
>individualism
top lel

[Anonymous No.3571806]

>>3571782
other 'politics' aren't totalitarian social engineering projects, they take into account all of the stakeholders, they don't rewrite history, they don't deny rights to the minority because they respect constitutional rights

[Anonymous No.3571814]

>>3571795
egalitarianism isn't something you decide to believe in, you moron, it's something you WORK FOR

[Anonymous No.3571830]

>>3571803

All men are not created equal. Some have higher mental faculties and willpower for intellectual or leadership pursuits while others have physical prowess for manual labor and other related tasks.

Fascism tosses aside egalitarianism and class warfare in favor of class collaboration and cooperation between state, people, and private enterprise.

It is like communism except without the social degeneracy, stagnant economy, and everyone having 3rd world living conditions.

[Anonymous No.3571836]

>>3571830
>Some have higher mental faculties and willpower for intellectual or leadership pursuits while others have physical prowess for manual labor and other related tasks.
>not having all of those things
Rationalisation at work.

[Anonymous No.3571845]

>>3571830
>not being an ubermensch

[Anonymous No.3571849]

>>3571801
Only through the group, I realised — through sharing the suffering of the group — could the body reach that height of existence that the individual alone could never attain. And for the body to reach that level at which the divine might be glimpsed, a dissolution of individuality was necessary. The tragic quality of the group was also necessary, the quality that constantly raised the group out of the abandon and torpor into which it was prone to lapse, leading it to an ever-mounting shared suffering and so to death, which was the ultimate suffering. The group must be open to death — which meant, of course, that it must be a community of warriors.

[Anonymous No.3571851]

>>3571830
>All men are not created equal
not surprised you need this battered starwman to help you live through the day

egalitarianism isn't descriptive, it is prescriptive, it states an end-goal to work for

[Anonymous No.3571856]

>>3571849
We have considered subjective volition where it has an object which is the truth and essence of a reality, viz. where it constitutes a great world-historical passion. As a subjective will, occupied with limited passions, it is dependent, and can gratify its desires only within the limits of this dependence. But the subjective will has also a substantial life – a reality, – in which it moves in the region of essential being and has the essential itself as the object of its existence. This essential being is the union of the subjective with the rational Will: it is the moral Whole, the State, which is that form of reality in which the individual has and enjoys his freedom; but on the condition of his recognition, believing in and willing that which is common to the Whole. And this must not be understood as if the subjective will of the social unit attained its gratification and enjoyment through that common Will; as if this were a means provided for its benefit; as if the individual, in his relations to other individuals, thus limited his freedom, in order that this universal limitation – the mutual constraint of all – might secure a small space of liberty for each. Rather, we affirm, are Law, Morality, Government, and they alone, the positive reality and completion of Freedom. Freedom of a low and limited order, is mere caprice; which finds its exercise in the sphere of particular and limited desires.

[Anonymous No.3571861]

>>3571814

>leftists having to resort to vulgar name-calling when their feelings are hurt

To "work" for equality, you must handicap the able and provide for the weak in order to satisfy your sentimentality. 1st world communists crack me up because they don't realize that they are sacrificing themselves in order to help foreigners who explicitly and openly exploit their generosity.

>Communism
>intelligence

[Anonymous No.3571867]

>>3571856
[D]emocracy, where freedom is the supreme good but freedom is also slavery. In democracy, the lower class grows bigger and bigger. The poor become the winners. Diversity is supreme. People are free to do what they want and live how they want. People can even break the law if they so chose. This appears to be very similar to anarchy.

Plato uses the "democratic man" to represent democracy. The democratic man is the son of the oligarchic man. Unlike his father, the democratic man is consumed with unnecessary desires. Plato describes necessary desires as desires that we have out of instinct or desires that we have in order to survive. Unnecessary desires are desires we can teach ourselves to resist such as the desire for riches. The democratic man takes great interest in all the things he can buy with his money. He does whatever he wants whenever he wants to do it. His life has no order or priority.

[Anonymous No.3571874]

>>3571788
>>3571788
the comedian, the other one is a ganster and yeas also fascist in a way, but the comedian screams totalitarian and racist thoughts, portrays the masses like the truth bearer (ok I don´t know if this expression exist in english) and fakes leftwing ideas to gain votes.
Some of the elected people from his party have already said that fascism wasn´t that bad, and in his party independent thinking is not accepted (that´s not just my opinion, it was like this before and now he´s also saying it).
But what is really fascist is the fact that he´s full of contradictions.

[Anonymous No.3571875]

>>3571851
>it states an end-goal to work for

But why work toward that goal? It is self-destructive and against the natural order of things. It is based not on logic but rather on delusional compassion towards their antagonists.

[Anonymous No.3571879]

>>3571861
so it's essentially all about you
even the fascists recognized how retarded that is

[Anonymous No.3571885]

>>3571849
meh, you just bring individualism to another level, you identify yourself with a state and you think just for your state. Fuckin idiot

[Anonymous No.3571886]

>>3571830
>All men are not created equal.
Well alright, I agree. Some have mental deficiencies, physical disabi-

>Some have higher mental faculties and willpower for-

NO, SHUT THE FUCK UP. THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE DOING WELL IN LIFE IS BECAUSE YOU HAD A CHANCE. YOU DIDNT GET THERE YOURSELF. FAGGOT.

>Fascism tosses aside egalitarianism and class warfare in favor of-

No. You're trying to be edgier than already edgy philosophy. SHut up.

>It is like communism except without the social degeneracy, stagnant economy, and everyone having 3rd world living conditions.

Communismhasneverhappened.jpeg

Captcha: Milton Austria

[Anonymous No.3571895]

>>3571886

>NO, SHUT THE FUCK UP. THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE DOING WELL IN LIFE IS BECAUSE YOU HAD A CHANCE. YOU DIDNT GET THERE YOURSELF. FAGGOT.

>huge IMPLYING

[Anonymous No.3571896]

>>3571801
>Fascism is for liberty[...]
And what follows to give any credibility to this claim? Ridiculous mumbo-jumbo rambling invoking self-contradictory catchphrases that would put moralizing pedo priests to shame. Series of laughable non sequitur and outright oxymorons.

[Anonymous No.3571904]

Oh yeah, ab-b-b-b-bout those books, guys... Guys?

[Anonymous No.3571908]

>>3571874

Yeah I'm italian too mate and I'm so fucking scared. He's trying to ostracize members of his party that didn't follow his ideas.

[Anonymous No.3571912]

>>3571895
but you didn't

[Anonymous No.3571914]

>>3571904
all the quotes come from b00ks

>>3571896
>implying leftist propaganda isn't mumbo jumbo

UHHH YEAH YEAH HYPERINDIVIDUALISM AND LIBERALISM WILL CREATE GREAT ART, THAT'S WHY ALL HIGH CULTURE AND CIVILIZATION HAS BEEN AUTOCRATIC, HIERARCHICAL, AND ARISTOCRATIC, LOL

RAH RAH FIGHT THE POWER LET'S BE INDIVIDUALISTS TOGETHER (btw restrict voting to the capitalist class and then support the reactionaries in quelling communism while we profit from imperialism by combating "evil authoritarian fascists")

[Anonymous No.3571915]

>>3571908
Well, the left still had a good share of the votes regardless.

[Anonymous No.3571916]

>>3571886
>Communismhasneverhappened.jpeg

And nor will it ever happen, because it is full-retard, guano-crazy.

[Anonymous No.3571925]

>>3571875
>But why work toward that goal?
Because it is in your fucking best interest. It really tires me that I have to point this out but stupid, simple people (I am looking at you here, totalitarians) are the first to be offed.

This is the magic of fascist aesthetics working here. Because of all those imposed images and claims of how special you are and how magical things can be, you can't see that you are just a random pleb, the tool to be used and disregarded; and that the only thing that saves you (at least in part) from being suckered off is pluralist, liberal democracy.

You want to commit an elaborate, convoluted suicide, fine. Just leave me and others out of this.

[Anonymous No.3571929]

>>3571916
yeah because fascism is a really level headed and well thought out ideology

[Anonymous No.3571941]

>>3571914
Calm down, son, no need to overreact. It's really cute that you can copy-paste text from books without comprehending jack shit. My post was about a particular claim of fascism leading to (any form) of liberty. I said nothing about 'leftist propaganda'. So, following your logic, two wrongs make a right?

[Anonymous No.3571952]

>>3571929
Marx
>Dictatorship of the Proletariat!
Bakunin
>I literally have no idea what to do once the state has been smashed, and I just assume that things will work themselves out, but smash the state anyway!
Fascism
>arguably catapulted 3-4 world powers out of the Great Depression in record time
>had a coherent governmental and economic structure regardless of whether you agree with it
>almost conquered the entire world

[Anonymous No.3571961]

>>3571914
fascism preserve liberalism, just read some history books

>>3571908
I´m scared too, but in the ends he seems to be a lot more dumber than B so maybe he won´t last long
the scary thing is how gullible we are, they just need to change face and repeating that the are different

[Anonymous No.3571968]

>>3571961
don't worry, no matter what happens, nothing will happen, because it's just italy

[Anonymous No.3571972]

>>3571861
>leftists having to resort to vulgar name-calling when their feelings are hurt
so your feelings have been hurt and that leads you to criticize others' feelings being hurt
can't tell if you are trolling or brain-dead retarded by now

>1st world communists
you sure must be an ignorant amerifat to think anything I wrote signifies communism

all your posts show that you are the "weak" one here, can't you see it? you are the intellectual rock bottom, YOU are the first to be shot as a ballast slowing TEH VOLK

don't you see we all 'communists'(LOL) here fight to save your useless life?

[Anonymous No.3571973]

>>3571952
haha oh man you have no idea what you're talking about

you forgot to mention how long those world powers lasted

>authoritarian government
>coherent

>almost

[Anonymous No.3571980]

>>3571973
>longevity the metric of desirability

[Anonymous No.3571987]

>>3571973
>>3571980
The earth has become small, and on it hops the last man, who makes everything small. His race is as ineradicable as the flea; the last man lives longest.
'We have invented happiness,'say the last men, and they blink. They have left the regions where it was hard to live, for one needs warmth. One still loves one's neighbor and rubs against him, for one needs warmth...
One still works, for work is a form of entertainment. But one is careful lest the entertainment be too harrowing. One no longer becomes poor or rich: both require too much exertion. Who still wants to rule? Who obey? Both require too much exertion.
No shepherd and one herd! Everybody wants the same, everybody is the same: whoever feels different goes voluntarily into a madhouse.
'Formerly, all the world was mad,' say the most refined, and they blink...
One has one's little pleasure for the day and one's little pleasure for the night: but one has a regard for health.
'We have invented happiness,' say the last men, and they blink."

[Anonymous No.3571996]

This entire time, I thought I was posting on /pol/. Stay classy, /lit/.

[Anonymous No.3572004]

>>3571987
I like communism too.

[Anonymous No.3572007]

>tfw no fascist waifu ;_;

[Anonymous No.3572009]

>>3571465

Rightism

>Transcendent Perennial Feathered Sun Vedic Master tier
Evola, Guénon, Schuon

>Good tier
Jünger

>Edgy faggot tier
Hitler, nearly everything else

[Anonymous No.3572049]

>>3572009
>Transcendent Perennial Feathered Sun Vedic Master tier
Evola, Guénon, Schuon
>metaphysics
cool list bro, add Hubbard while you are at it

[Anonymous No.3572060]

>>3572007

[Anonymous No.3572635]

>>3572049

Any doctrine or science not anchored in traditional metaphysics is dangerous or worthless. Quit being a filthy modern.

[Anonymous No.3572643]

>>3572635
define el traditionale

[Anonymous No.3572659]

>aspiring fascist
>"Hey, /lit/. I really want to believe this political theory but I haven't read enough books supporting it to convince myself yet."

[Anonymous No.3572660]

>>3572009
Pretty-much this.

Also remember that the ancient Roman Empire has been often seen as a Fascist empire and that any texts on them may help.

Hitler's writings are for Emo-wanna-be-neo-nazis. They dont have enough brain power to argue in favour of thier political stance so they have to ''blame it on da juuuzzz''

[Anonymous No.3573418]

>>3572660
see
>>3571527

[Anonymous No.3573420]

>>3572659
see
>>3571527

[sage No.3573444]

>>3572659
buttblasted kike or nigger detected

[Anonymous No.3573458]

we really need some kind of /pol/ filter

[Anonymous No.3573460]

>>3573458
More like we need more intelligent, more astute posters.

If you all weren't such goddamn morons none of the shit threads would flourish.

[Anonymous No.3573461]

>>3573458

They're all busy over at >>>/lgbt/ right now

[Anonymous No.3573499]

You know /lit/, the more I hear about different ideologies, the more I learn and the more I analyze my environment, the more I lean towards Daoism and becoming a simple unassuming man, instead of building castles of hot air and trying to impose them on others. Because in the end, if the boundless mind of a good man can't do its part towards making a better future circumstance, what can then be trusted?

[Anonymous No.3573508]

>>3571495

No true Scotsman fallacy.

[Anonymous No.3573511]

>>3573460
>More like we need more intelligent, more astute posters.

Impossible as long as you post here.

[Anonymous No.3573515]

>>3573499
>good
>better
what are you, twelve?

[Anonymous No.3573517]

>>3571765

10/10

[Anonymous No.3573541]

>>3571581
The Mein Kampf is unreadable, questionable content aside, it is one of the worse written pieces of shit ever put in print, quite literally the ramblings of a maniac.

[Anonymous No.3573895]

>>3573541
Do you get Jewbucks for saying this or do you just do it out of a pathetic desire to lick your masters' boots?

Go post anonymously about how many times you checked your privilege today. I'm sure the feminists will send someone to take your virginity right away.

[Anonymous No.3573936]

>>3573895
Hitler is a shitty prose stylist, that's all.

[Anonymous No.3573942]

Seconding Julius Evola

And get yourself some books on Sparta, they were the first and best fascists.

[Anonymous No.3573953]

What's with all the fucking fascists coming to us for intellectual confirmation?

Fascism is an ideology for the backwards. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.3573956]

>>3573936
>has never actually heard hitler speak
if they showed you hitler's actual words in school, everything else they teach about world war 2 would be endlessly quesitoned
remember, winner gets to right history
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnpTWKKWQ1o

[Anonymous No.3573958]

>>3573953
sometimes its necessary and no other way to achieve some sort of justice
jsut look towards chris dorner and how he legally could not do shit to stop police corruption because anybody higher up with any authority to do anything was just a promoted crooked cop.

[Anonymous No.3573961]

>>3573958
The fact that America is failing to be a proper democracy does not make fascism necessary.

[Anonymous No.3573967]

>>3573961
some people can only be pushed so far

[Anonymous No.3573968]

>>3573961
Why can't you just read about Fascism without accepting it or wanting it implemented?

I read Marx even though I think he was wrong about alot of shit.

Face it, reading Evola is fun as fuck.

[Anonymous No.3573981]

>>3573968
>Face it, reading Evola is fun as fuck.

Strictly speaking, radical traditionalism isn't fascism.

[Anonymous No.3573984]

>>3573981
Which is why Evola was disliked by both Mussolini and Hitler's gov't and they couldn't put him on trial for fascism. At least I think that's accurate.

[Anonymous No.3574134]

>>3571465

>>Mindlessly "choosing" a halfwit ideology and then asking in the web for books to feed and "fit" into the brown shirt, without learning first about all other ideologies and not even considering making your own, personal view of the world.

Yup, I'd say you have what it takes to be a fascist. Actually, you're halfway there, Dux.

[Anonymous No.3574173]

http://tpb.par-anoia.net/torrent/8175269/Reactionary_Book_Collection_v1.0

[Anonymous No.3574174]

Robert Michels - Political Parties. He's the one who came up with the Iron law of Oligarchy I think. Corrado Gini has a good essay on Fascism I think. Carl Schmitt. "Mussolini's Intellectuals" is a decent book too. Probably read Trotsky's critique of Fascism since that basically formed the far-left view of Fascism, and if you're openly Fascist you'll probably be hearing it again and again.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3574192]

>>3574174
I like Carl Schmitt's categorization of friend and enemy (I'm not a fascist btw).

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3574214]

>>3573895
>gets mad when somebody calls Hitler a shitty writer Hitler
>"do you just do it out of a pathetic desire to lick your masters' boots"
Oh, that extreme projection.
Now the ones who don't one to live under the orders of a supreme leader are the ones who want to live under the orders of one supreme leader. Makes perfect sense.

>>3574134
lol true.

[Anonymous No.3574315]

>>3573958
wtf man, chris dorner could not do shit to stop police corruption cause the system was already too fascist

[Anonymous No.3574631]

>>3574134

Oh, but I have! I already have books across many political ideologies. Even those I despise such as Americanism and Marxist philosophies. I already have Das Kapital and the Communist Manifesto on my reading list, but I need more fascist material in order to complete the set.

Even after reading across abroad spectrum of ideas, fascism captivates me the most, and if you are offended by that than I am sorry? The unprovoked, unwarranted butthurt in this thread is amusing to say the least.

Here, I have taken the initiative and procured a diagnoses for all the leftists in this thread.

[Anonymous No.3574634]

>>3574173

I greatly appreciate the effort and thoughtfulness, but I am no reactionary. I am a revolutionary fascist. I will definitely take a look through it though.

[Anonymous No.3574644]

>>3574192

Yeah, I liked that too. I often mention Michels because I think he doesn't really get the recognition he deserves. The Iron Law of Oligarchy that emerges from his book is pretty interesting to me. It's unfortunate that Fascism has been so buried in some ways. And ironic too, since the Fascist manifesto is so leftwing on a lot of points! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto)) I guess that's politics for ya.

[Anonymous No.3574659]

>>3574174

Excellent. This is exactly what I am looking for. Opinions both from fascists themselves and their critiques.

I am not openly fascist because that is dangerous from where I am from (minorityville, USA.)

[Anonymous No.3574669]

>>3574644

I had made the same connection on the fascist manifesto and its left-wing platform. Was a lot of its tenets used officially? It seems so bizarre--almost communistic. Would love to get my hands upon a physical copy of it, but fascist literature is obviously very lacking in retail...

[Anonymous No.3574671]

>>3574634
Don't kid yourself, you are neither. You are a fucking joke, an ignorant, half-wit poseur.

[Anonymous No.3574673]

>>3574631
My relatives were killed by fascists, sorry my butt is sore, but you are either ignorant or an edgy cunt and you deserve every nasty thing to ever come your way

[Anonymous No.3574678]

>>3574671

and how could you make that assumption based on the little information you have of me? Also, sage is not a down-vote.

[Anonymous No.3574685]

>>3574631
babby haz three books

time to read them now, innit?

[Anonymous No.3574696]

>>3574678
Every sentence you utter shows you must be a retard on life support. Coincidentally, that means you are first in line for gas. Can't wait, hurry up already with your great projects.

[Anonymous No.3574698]

>>3574673

I can sympathize with that and I really don't mean to sound offensive here, but in the grander scheme of things our own lives are but grains of sand. Think of all the family's of fascists that were murdered by capitalistic and communist countries. Would they be just as justified in their hatred? It is all about perspective. Again, I honestly don't intend to marginalize you or your suffering, even despite your ill-curses, but I could say that no one is truly innocent.

[Anonymous No.3574708]

>>3574698
You must have never heard of a concept of cause and effect, the basis of 'justice'.

Not surprised, /pol/ is famous for catering to primary school rejects.

[Anonymous No.3574731]

You know what you need, kiddo? You need to develop cancer or have somebody from your loved ones to suffer something deeply traumatic, that way you are going to wake up to the fact that life is too short to be angry all the time.

One day you will mature and life's punches will put you in the right track. Hopefully it won't be too late when you learn the basics of existing: be happy, don't judge others, love yourself and love your neighbor.

"That's where it's at".

[Anonymous No.3574736]

>>3574698
you now realize this retard has voting rights

[Anonymous No.3574745]

>>3574698
I don't want or respect your sympathy. Obviously your opinion is your own, but downplaying the consequences of fascist ideology by comparing it to those of other governments (admittedly brutal ones) is a narrow-minded interpretation of history.

[Anonymous No.3574756]

>>3571465
Burke and Hegel. Gibbon.

[Anonymous No.3574765]

>>3574731
>have somebody from your loved ones to suffer something deeply traumatic, that way you are going to wake up to the fact that life is too short to be angry all the time.

Been through it, still not repentant at all--in fact I think it has only strengthened my convictions.

From the looks of it, I also appear to be the least angry person here. I must admit that I am guilty of feeling entertained by all of it. The rampant asspain amuses me greatly. I managed to acquire literary ideas from helpful posters AND troll commie hacks? I really couldn't ask for much more. Please, proceed.

[Anonymous No.3574766]

>>3574731
it's obvious that the worst that our little sandpit fascist experience in his life is a running nose

I remember that one time we had a thread where some spoiled 40K$ GDP per capita swedeboy was planning genocides left and right and asking why we had problem with it.

[Anonymous No.3574778]

>>3574765
But do you enjoy the idea that, of all of us here, you are first to go to gas? it's really imporant, please respond.

[Anonymous No.3574780]

>>3574766

Spot on. Kid throws his imaginary toys out of the pram, asks for life guidance in an anonymous website, and then rides the high horse. Pretty... amusing, I'd say.

[Anonymous No.3574788]

>>3574778


Please, I am a gentlemen! Untermensch first :)

[Anonymous No.3574794]

>>3574756
By Hegel you mean Philosophy of Law?
But then again, he's shared by old and young hegelians.
And Burke is conservative not fascist.
But in lieu of this, I'd add Filmer's Patriarchia.

[Anonymous No.3574801]

>>3571645

Read Paxton's History of Fascism. It is a historical and political fact that fascism is nothing. There is no single, unifying ideology and it is just a bunch of halfwits copy pasting from here and there into a muddy, amorphous and chaotic mass of mumbo jumbo.

There is no such thing as "politically speaking" when dealing with fascism. There are "versions", "different experiential fascisms", etc.

Don't get me started for I will scholarly wipe my ass with your incomplete thoughts and childish beliefs, son.

[Anonymous No.3574813]

>>3574801

>There is no single, unifying ideology and it is just a bunch of halfwits copy pasting from here and there into a muddy, amorphous and chaotic mass of mumbo jumbo.

How is that different than other ideologies? Communism has so many variations that it can hardly be said that anyone follows Marx's original intent. Democracy also varies from place to place. There is no such thing as a completely pure and infallibly coherent ideology. To say otherwise is biased and dishonest.

[Anonymous No.3574817]

>>3574801
>There is no single, unifying ideology and it is just a bunch of halfwits copy pasting from here and there into a muddy, amorphous and chaotic mass of mumbo jumbo.

Oh, please. Find me a single political ideology that can't be boiled down to this. You're just cherrypicking.

[Anonymous No.3574826]

>>3574813

Are you a political scientist? If you are, please return your degree asap.

Read. Far from scholarly but a very good summary for the laymen.

[Anonymous No.3574829]

>>3574817

You are falling into a fallacy.

See what I recommended to read to the other dude.

[Anonymous No.3574830]

>>3574813
>Communism has so many variations that it can hardly be said that anyone follows Marx's original intent.
What do you think that was? Do you know what that was?

[Anonymous No.3574835]

>>3574826

>Are you a political scientist? If you are, please return your degree asap.

Nope, I am STEM master race.

>Read. Far from scholarly but a very good summary for the laymen.

I have a suspicion that this is hardly told from a neutral narrative.

[Anonymous No.3574838]

>>3574830

(e.g. Moaism is an abortion of a spin-off ideaology of Marx and Engel's ideas in the Communist Manifesto.)

[Anonymous No.3574847]

>>3574838
>(e.g. Moaism is an abortion of a spin-off ideaology of Marx and Engel's ideas in the Communist Manifesto.)
Thank you for sharing that, but what is Marx's "original intent" vis a vis communism? That is, answer the question dunderhead.

[Anonymous No.3574851]

>>3574835
>Neutral narrative
you saucy little jackboot

[Anonymous No.3574852]

>>3574835
>STEM master race
>fascism
>caught in outdated modernist crap

There's a reason we abandoned that shit.

[Anonymous No.3574854]

>>3574835

Stem cell researcher? Sorry, I'm lost.

Paxton biased? Well, if you wish to brush aside just like that the Mellon Professor Emeritus of Social Science in the Department of History of Columbia University, you and I have nothing to debate.

I am truly sorry that I wasted my time here.

[Anonymous No.3574858]

>Hello everyone, I really like communism as an ideology, could you recommend some books?
>Here you go friend! communism never hurt anyone after all!

>Hello everyone, I really like fascism as an ideology, could you recommend some books.
>You're a fucking joke kid, grow up you child. Fascism is disgusting.

[Anonymous No.3574863]

>>3574858
Neither of those things have happened, take your meds bro.

[Anonymous No.3574865]

>>3574858
>communism
>getting that treatment
yeah no

[Anonymous No.3574866]

>>3574851
HEY GUYS BUT AT LEAST HITL0R AINT BIASED IN THE LEAST

mom, you said genocide will be ready by supper, what the fuck?

[Anonymous No.3574869]

>>3574858

What a clown. Do you even understand that Marxism contains very useful research tools for unbiased, impartial scholars, while fascism has very little to offer academically speaking?

Gee, /lit/ is full of kids who think of everything as a competition and see black and white in their infinite ignorance! The horror

[Anonymous No.3574873]

>>3574858
Nice strawmanning.

[Anonymous No.3574875]

>>3574847

What do you want me to do, cite the entire book for you?

A concept told from a materialistic point of view of a temporary dictatorship before a truly egalitarian, classless, purely cooperative, anarchistic society that does away with exploitation and tyranny and everyone lives happily ever after in happy-go-lucky sunshine land so they can fuck each other's bums for the rest of time. EXCEPT that every dictator save perhaps Lenin, didn't ever intend on giving up their power and were essentially corrupt psuedo-workers states.

uh-durr.

[Anonymous No.3574879]

you now realise you can't tell the difference between pic and OP

[Anonymous No.3574882]

>>3574869
B-but my modernism and my denial of post-modern...
My callback to tradition and nation, even if it made up for the fascist narrative.

[Anonymous No.3574883]

>>3574854

I could only assume as much due to your previous snarky comment.

[Anonymous No.3574887]

>>3574866
In case you understood me, I was criticizing this asshole shitting on a text about fascism that wasn't his idyllic depiction. If not, i have no idea what you're on about

[Anonymous No.3574890]

>>3574887
it's ok, I was commenting on hitlers 'neutral narrative'

[Anonymous No.3574893]

>>3574890
oh allright my man.

[Anonymous No.3574894]

>>3574866

>dat strawman

[Anonymous No.3574898]

>>3574863
>Neither of those things have happened

Did you happen to have skipped through this entire thread?

[Anonymous No.3574900]

>>3574875
>A concept told from a materialistic point of view
This is perhaps the thing of most substance in your post, and even that screams you don't have a clue.

[Anonymous No.3574902]

Holy shit. Could everybody stop ass-mangling themselves because the guy is a Fascist looking for books on Fascism?

[Anonymous No.3574906]

>>3574902
can you stop whining about whining? holy shit

[Anonymous No.3574909]

>>3574898
Were you hoping I had? I don't think you'd suspend disbelief if I had not anyway, if that makes you feel any better.

[Anonymous No.3574919]

Please guys go on. It's a great thread so far.

[Anonymous No.3574921]

>>3574902

If he is a fascist, whatever that is, then he should know his books.

[>aspiring No.3574926]

>>3574921

>aspiring
>aspiring
>aspiring
>aspiring
>aspiring

[Anonymous No.3574928]

>>3574921
have you missed those?
>>3571527
>>3572659

[Anonymous No.3574931]

>>3574926
wait, you have no idea what this word means, don't you?

[Anonymous No.3574935]

Leviathan by Hobbes is an obvious one.

[>aspiring No.3574938]

>>3574931

Perfectly. Do you?

[Anonymous No.3574943]

>>3574919

I must admit, it has certainly far exceeded my expectations.

[Anonymous No.3574971]

Well, personally, I kinda like fascism and especially toddler fascists like those in this thread. Pragmatically speaking, fascism is an elaborate suicide cult. All those suckers work (that's an euphemism, spoiled little brats don't really do jack shit) for their own destruction. If their wet dream ever came to fruition I'd wager, 99 times out of 100, that they would be squashed and disposed of like little worms they are.

[Anonymous No.3574982]

>>3574971

Fascism is the only way the west could ever hope to survive at this rate. There can only be Fascism or death at the point, and to say otherwise is a clear indicator that you seek its destruction with open arms.

[Anonymous No.3574994]

>>3574982
This is very important so listen, I know what I'm talking about. Giving me all your money is the only way the west could ever hope to survive at this rate. This is totally true. You can salute and hail me and parade around if you want. Leave your email, I'll message you with my paypal.

[Anonymous No.3575003]

>>3574935
This
I might also add Rousseau as perhaps providing the theoretical justification for a State with absolute power

[Anonymous No.3575007]

>all of this buttdevastation over a guy asking for books

This thread has demonstrated that anti-fascism really is the new fascism. You aren't as open-minded as you would like to think, people.

[Anonymous No.3575010]

Does anyone here have a clear definition of fascism?

[Anonymous No.3575011]

>>3575007
little babby forgot the part where OP showed his true colors while posting posts in a thread

[Anonymous No.3575016]

>>3575007
So by your definition, fascism is defined by narrowmindedness?

[Anonymous No.3575018]

>>3574982
Nice try bro. I hope you will enjoy being a mindless tool. Some people just want to ruin everything with their hate, when we could actually build a good society. I hope I will live to the day we get rid of people like you and communism will triumph.

[Anonymous No.3575025]

>>3575010

[Anonymous No.3575029]

Emile Cioran had a book, The Transfiguration of Romania, which was fascist. I don't think it was ever translated from the Romanian though since he sort of wanted to forget about it after the war.

[Anonymous No.3575032]

>>3575010
you really think there is one?

[Anonymous No.3575035]

>>3575018

>Nice try bro. I hope you will enjoy being a mindless tool.
> I hope I will live to the day we get rid of people like you and communism will triumph.

Me too, then we can be mindless tools together!

[Anonymous No.3575036]

>>3575018
Isn't 'fascism' the means to the end of communism? At least as far as communism has been striven for in practice?
I'm >>3575010 , still searching for some definition

[Anonymous No.3575039]

>>3575025
>dat tab

Nice.

[Anonymous No.3575046]

>>3575018
>get rid of people like you
oh look, another fascist

>good society
he even imposes his simplistic concept of morality on others

[Anonymous No.3575052]

>>3575025
>Dictionary definition
So have all right-wing authoritarian governments been fascist? Curious

>>3575032
I'm trying to find out, maybe there isn't

[Anonymous No.3575053]

Oh yeah, and Lovecraft expresses many fascist ideas in his letters. Some of it is just him throwing in opinions here of history and there, but he also throws in deeper political statements too.

[Anonymous No.3575060]

>>3575035
>implying communism is not about pluralism

>>3575046
at least I'm not full with hate and therefore easily controllable

[Anonymous No.3575069]

>>3575060

No, you are just very stupid and therefore easily controllable.

[Anonymous No.3575088]

>>3575010
The whole point of fascism is that it isn't a mechanism but a movement. Mussolini regarded Stalinism as essentially fascism. It's a state centered around a people/community that has strong group solidarity - how it actually confronts economic and administrative problems is ad hoc. The idea is that a strong people will overcome challenges and grow from them, not just schematize a materialist, utopian economic/bureaucratic doctrine.

It's essentially voluntary autocracy that tries to subsume the autocrat to the glory of the people. Socially it prizes conflict, strife, aggression, war, etc., as the crucibles of human virtue. Man attains to the highest and truest expression of himself when his individuality is realized in the State. In a sense man only justifies his existence in those moments. It's like in Hegel: history is the "slaughterbench", and eras of peace and calm are aberrations from the norm and from progress.

[Anonymous No.3575100]

>>3575088
>The whole point of fascism is that it isn't a mechanism but a movement
nah, it's the other way around
it is a mechanism employed by cynical fuckers that suckers useful idiots into a mock movement

[Anonymous No.3575106]

>>3575088
>Mussolini regarded Stalinism as essentially fascism
I think that's the general consensus nowadays.

[Anonymous No.3575111]

>>3575106
authoritarian yes, fascist not so much

[Anonymous No.3575115]

>>3575088
>Socially it prizes conflict, strife, aggression, war, etc., as the crucibles of human virtue.
That's also the whole idea behind futurism. So there's that. but we all know that futurism was proto-fascism. Yet I'm strangely drawn to futurist art...

[Anonymous No.3575116]

>>3575010
>>3575032

removing/hiding the internal conflicts in the society, makin the masses believe that all the problems comes from the outside, and not from the system and how it works

[Anonymous No.3575117]

>>3575106

>Stalin
>Fascist

No, Stalin wasn't a Fascist because he was a cosmopolitan and social liberal. He was only interested in himself and reveled in the misery of others while he lived lavishly. Not even Hitler did such things to his own people.

[Anonymous No.3575124]

I think that if fascism abstained from physical violence it would be the best political system. You know, like a kind of Gandhi fascism. Can you recommend some books on this?

[Anonymous No.3575129]

>>3575111
>>3575117
EU equating the crimes of Stalinism (bolshevism) and Nazism and Fascism seems to be implicitly saying that.

>cosmopolitan
How so? He was until post WWII for socialism in one state.

[Anonymous No.3575137]

>>3575124
>I think that if fascism abstained from physical violence it would be the best political system
Cool opinion bro, based on great evidence no less, namely, your opinion. Yeah that's right: opinion based on an opinion, typical fascist's reasoning works like that. And what follows is forceful enforcement of your personal opinion on others, because we both know your retarded senstibilities stand no chance in a pluralist, democratic process. It's such a sad think that you can't see how retarded you are. This fascism thing is like a state sponsored retard clinic, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.3575138]

>>3575124

I have similar sentiments, although not pacifistic. I think Fascism would've been a huge success if it didn't always attempt to dive headfirst into any and all conflict as it possibly can.

[Anonymous No.3575157]

>>3575129
>EU equating the crimes of Stalinism (bolshevism) and Nazism and Fascism seems to be implicitly saying that.
Non sequitur. It does not follow that state system under stalin was fascist

[Anonymous No.3575158]

>>3575117
>cosmopolitan and social liberal

Haha no, have you ever heard of The Great Retreat?

[Anonymous No.3575162]

>>3575137

Take your butthurt elsewhere

[Anonymous No.3575168]

>>3575162
go fuck yourself, princess
can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, woman

[Anonymous No.3575169]

>>3575157
Yeah I was maybe out of bounds saying that Stalin is fascist. Maybe under the Frankfurt school for critical sociology definition of fascism of everyday life...
But if I meant that I'd say it.. So yeah.

[Anonymous No.3575174]

>>3575162
>not identifying SRS and immediately ignoring it

Bro..

[Anonymous No.3575177]

>>3575174
for our little toddler /pol/ fascist, 99% of humanity must be SRS

ain't that cute

[Anonymous No.3575186]

>>3575137

I have really tried being civil, but I see my tolerance is wasted on Bolshevist proles.

I can already tell by your writing style that you have already posted over 10 or so times so far airing your pained anus.

Don't you have something else you could be doing rather than shitting up my thread with your asshurt such as browsing /lgbt/ or fucking yourself at your Karl Marx shrine?

[Anonymous No.3575189]

>>3575137
>based on great evidence no less, namely, your opinion
What evidence you want? There is time for arguments but you can throw arguments endlessly and never acquire anything. If you think science will be 100% correct if it comes to predict effects of an ideology on the society then you are wrong.

> we both know your retarded senstibilities stand no chance in a pluralist, democratic process
Well it's only like, you know, your opinion, man.

[Anonymous No.3575206]

>>3575186
Can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, adolf.

Damn son, I thought you were planning all those magnificent death camps and shit with your ubermensch buddies at /pol/ but you seem incappable of taking a few harmless imageboard posts without breaking down in tears. I have bad news for you. Remember that 'first in line for gas' thing? Yeah...

[Anonymous No.3575211]

>>3574900
Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up. The only response you've given to any argument presented to you is "you're dumb you don't get it." You apparently have no articulable counter-argument to anything he has said. Either you are a troll or a state-school-tier retard and in either case you are pathetic. Go shitpost somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.3575220]

>>3575206

Alright, you got me. I am a little perturbed that that you are wasting precious space that could be better used on posters who do not routinely breath out of their mouths.

The amusement becomes less and less entertaining and more and more tired when it is only the same person making the same troll posts over and over again ad nauseam. At the very least I suppose I should be thanking you for giving me a valid reason to bump my thread.

[Anonymous No.3575234]

/lit/ doesn't like /pol/ threads so a few regulars troll threads like these into the dust by posting obviously inflammatory and insultingly dismissive shit.

Happens in every feminist thread, every liberal/conservative thread, and so on. Sometimes they break down and admit that they do it because they simply don't want this kind of conversation on /lit/, but that they don't particularly oppose it ideologically.

Just ignore it you retards. Only reply to posts that have good argumentation. Actually talk about the literature that pertains to the subject. No flamewar, no typing walls of text in response to "lel you're a toddler", no problems.

[Anonymous No.3575238]

>>3575234

I recall several months ago of a thread discussing Fascism that was rather civil for the most part. Why the change of heart all of a sudden?

[Anonymous No.3575315]

>>3575238
Jews

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3575339]

>>3574926
And this is exactly why nobody takes the thread seriously. See:
>>3574134

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3575342]

>>3575315
Yes, everything is the jews' fault. Even fascist's stupidity, this is the jews' fault too.

[Anonymous No.3575408]

>>3575339

Thank you for your unwanted input on the matter, AnalCrust.

[Anonymous No.3575409]

>>3575234
>Only reply to posts that have good argumentation.

Which would be none.

[Anonymous No.3575433]

mein kampf?

[Anonymous No.3575446]

>>3575433

Already read. Need new material.

[Anonymous No.3575451]

>>3575238
The Communist Internet Defense Force.

The actual one, not the Mao Gorilla Police Force.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3575474]

>>3575408
No need to thank me, I do it purely for pleasure.

[Anonymous No.3575733]

Here's to hoping Hitler gets a second chance.

[None !Rrxa7zePwI No.3575760]

fascists don't read. that's a jew thing to do.

[None !Rrxa7zePwI No.3575761]

>>3575474
your name is disgusting

[Anonymous No.3575809]

This thread is embarrassing. Usually the worst thing to come out of fascist threads are a few edgy cringe-worthy posts by teenagers about how they'd be a great leader, but all the anti-fascist spam in this thread is just amazing. I'm sure all the artists, writers, philosophers, politicians, and economists that endorsed fascism were just "edgy backwater thugs".

OP, if you want a quick introduction to the movement in Italy at the time, I'd sugest you check out the Doctrine of Fascism and the Futurist Manifesto. They're both pretty good reads.
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/reading/germany/mussolini.htm
http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/T4PM/futurist-manifesto.html

After that, if you want to move on to a more philosophical look on the movement, you should read Nietzsche (it's arguable how much he would have supported fascism, however he had a lot of effect on NAZI Germany), Plato's Republic, and of course, Julius Evola.
http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/author/779
http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.html
http://www.juliusevola.net/homepage.html

If you want to read some history on Fascism, Sparta actually was arguably one of the first (and most) fascist states. It's interesting to read about, and actually had a really good run.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta#Structure_of_Classical_Spartan_society

Hope you're still around and the butthurt spam in this thread hasn't driven you away. Vincere e vinceremo!

[Anonymous No.3575819]

>>3575809
>Sparta actually was arguably one of the first (and most) fascist states
We plain don't know. People have argued it was similar to all kinds of political systems, but there's really not enough information about it, apart from a handful of peculiarities.

[Anonymous No.3575832]

>>3575809

I am still here. A few colon-pinched commie scoundrels aren't going to deter me.

This is exactly the type of post I have been seeking. Thank you very much! This has everything I have been looking for. I am eager to read through them.

[None !Rrxa7zePwI No.3575907]

>>3575809
>I'm sure all the artists, writers, philosophers, politicians, and economists that endorsed fascism were just "edgy backwater thugs".
pretty much

[Anonymous No.3575945]

>>3575819
I disagree. Obviously it's hard to say for sure what any ancient political system was like, I think that Sparta was definitely closer to what could be considered a fascist state (highly racialist, autocracy, war/struggle oriented, ect.) than any most other societies. Obviously it wasn't fascist in the sense that fascism didn't exist back then, but it had a very similar structure.

>>3575832
Good to see you're here still. I'm really quite disappointed at the conduct in this thread, a few months ago you would have gotten a lot of genuinely good answers.

>>3575907
So Churchill and Gandhi were backwater thugs? I'd love to hear what you think civilized people are like.
http://www.ibtimes.com/mussolini-gandhi-strange-bedfellows-214200

[Anonymous No.3575974]

>>3575945
If fascism is so good why Italy was and is shitty?
no troll

[Anonymous No.3575980]

>>3575974
Fascism actually brought Italy to it's least shitty state since the Renaissance.

[Anonymous No.3575984]

>>3575974
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PmuHWPZSkY

[Anonymous No.3575987]

>>3575974
Shitty economic policies? Not to mention going through two world wars. To be honest I'm not an expert at all, I just have an interest in the philosophy and art centered around it, and pretend to be a fascist to piss people off.

[Anonymous No.3575995]

>>3575987
>To be honest I'm not an expert at all, I just have an interest in the philosophy and art centered around it, and pretend to be a fascist to piss people off.

Edgy faggotry, if you will.

[Anonymous No.3576019]

>>3575995
>Edgy faggotry

>Implying futurism and idealistic art about mythical pasts isn't awesome
But I'm sure everyone who's interested in a movement without being an expert is an edgy faggot. Would you like to care to scan your PHD in dismissive douchbaggery for us all to see?

[Anonymous No.3576028]

>>3576019
It's mostly the pretend fascism that's the edgy faggotry, simpleton.

Also you remind me of the people with a weird fascination with Nazi memorabilia that freak out and deny up and down that they love der Furhrer when someone cracks a joke.

[Anonymous No.3576065]

>Also you remind me of the people with a weird fascination with Nazi memorabilia that freak out and deny up and down that they love der Furhrer when someone cracks a joke.
Hence the
>It's mostly the pretend fascism that's the edgy faggotry, simpleton.

Not sure why you're so butthurt about this. I was just responding to the ">if fascism is so great..." by saying that I'm not actually a fascist, just an interested guy.

[Anonymous No.3576327]

>>3575809
Do whatever you like but please don't bring Nietzsche into this. He is far more brilliant than that. He very plainly had ideas such as his sublimation that involved defusing violent and domineering passions into destruction and creation in the abstract realm. Not to mention that fascism would totally deny any hope of the sort of individual freedoms his doctrines centre around.
The distribution of his works is due to his Nazi sister, who I will not denounce simply for her Nazism (clearly what you're going for), but to say in the least she did not understand his thought at all, nor did the Nazis that she recommended him to.

Nietzsche stands at a great height above all of our minor contemplations. Don't even, please.

[Anonymous No.3576358]

>>3575974
because jews of course

[Anonymous No.3576403]

Gee, is this thread still going on?

Lots of people from suburbia are going through puberty, it seems.

[Anonymous No.3576459]

>>3574935
No, that is for Monarchists.
A monarcy and a fascist state are two different things.

[Anonymous No.3576462]

>>3576459
What, because the title of leader is hereditary in one? That's really the only difference with Absolutism I can think of

[Anonymous No.3576464]

>>3576327
this is apologist bullshit, while Nietzsche often riduculed contemporary proto-fascist thoughts, it's not required a very far interpretation of him in order to concile his thoughts with facism.

you just need to let the Ubermensch become the State, much like the reverse of the Republic being a being

[Anonymous No.3576477]

>>3576464
Unfortunately real-life fascism is mostly based on slave morality, thus denying it the right of calling itself Nietzschean.

[Anonymous No.3576479]

>>3576477

all the more reason to recommend Nietzsche to an aspiring fascist

[Anonymous No.3576482]

>>3576477
>thinks Nietzscheanism isn't beyond the master/slave dichotomy
>not realising that this dichotomy was merely used by Nietzsche to describe ancient ethical developments
>not realising that he claimed that in modern man has both master and slave instincts dwelling within
>not realising that the Übermensch is wholly beyond these matters

[Anonymous No.3576485]

>>3571510
Screencap please for future threads.

[Anonymous No.3576496]

>>3576482
Your point being? This still doesn't make whining about jews and deferring to some guy in shorts Nietzschean.

[Anonymous No.3576504]

>>3576496
That the whole slave morality isn't really the reason why it isn't Nietzschean.

[Anonymous No.3576551]

>>3574731
How very easy it is to say "Be happy!" while subsisting off of Chinese slaves and paying your taxes so the Predator drones won't want for hellfire missiles....

[Anonymous No.3576628]

>>3571468
The futurist are up there in my top art movements.
http://vserver1.cscs.lsa.umich.edu/~crshalizi/T4PM/futurist-manifesto.html
I don't care if they were probably wrong that passion gets me going.

[Anonymous No.3576653]

>>3576628
I can't deal with the post-pastaism though.

[Anonymous No.3576697]

>>3576653
Don't you like risotto?

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3576738]

>>3575761
It's a musical reference, since this was a trip created for /mu/ to post on grindcore and crust threads. Anyway, I couldn't care less about your opinion. It makes me happy to be disgusting to the sheeple, it means I'm doing the right thing.

[Anonymous No.3576782]

>>3576697
No. I need spaghetti.

[Anonymous No.3576942]

So obvious those pretentious morons never read NIetzsche.

[Anonymous No.3576995]

>>3575945
>I disagree. Obviously it's hard to say for sure what any ancient political system was like, I think that Sparta was definitely closer to what could be considered a fascist state (highly racialist, autocracy, war/struggle oriented, ect.) than any most other societies. Obviously it wasn't fascist in the sense that fascism didn't exist back then, but it had a very similar structure.
It's was about as similar to communism as fascism, from what we know. You've also exaggerated a number of points: it wasn't really so racialist (you'd have to really misconstrue what the Peloponnesian League was), or autocratic (two kings).

[Anonymous No.3577101]

>>3576459

Any Fascist worth his salt despises the monarchy and seeks his leadership to be based on divine merit rather than bloodlines.

This is further proof to demonstrate that Fascism is not a reactionary movement.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3577111]

>>3577101
>anti-communism
>not reactionary
Yeah, sure.

[Anonymous No.3577121]

>>3571524

>elected senate
>elected

Laughing_patricians.jpg

[Anonymous No.3577139]

>>3577111
>implying communism is the only revolutionary ideology

Lelito.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3577334]

>>3577139
Implying? Lrn2logic.

[Anonymous No.3577382]

>>3575832
why the fuck you keep talkin about commies?

[Anonymous No.3577395]

>>3577382
/pol/ love their conspiracies.

[Anonymous No.3577470]

>>3577334
You're equating anti-communism with being reactionary, which isn't necesarrily true. Progressive liberals are anti-communistic, but certainly not reactionary, for example.

[« 零 » !Ry9.23Wow. No.3577477]

>>3577139
>Lelito.

[Anonymous No.3577491]

>>3577477
>you will never make REI laugh

[Anonymous No.3577510]

>>3577491
But I just did.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3577520]

>>3577470
Anti-communism of the early 20th century is by definition reactionary. It's actually the best example of what being reactionary means. And guess what were the anti-communists of that time? Right, Mussolini and his folks from around Europe. Why was fascism born? Because the bourgeois were afraid of losing their privileges. I think what I said is pretty much this.

I still don't see where that other post's extremely retarded implications come from, since I didn't even talk about what communism is, what being revolutionary is and what is or isn't revolutionary.

[Anonymous No.3577556]

>>3577520
Being a reactionary means wanting a sort of political rewind to a former state. There are plenty of people who don't want that, yet still despise communism.

[Anonymous No.3577584]

>>3577520
>Why was fascism born? Because the bourgeois were afraid of losing their privileges.

Yeah...no. That's just marxist revisionisn. Both Hitler and Mussolini weren't bourgeois, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.3577589]

>>3577556

And that is exactly what Fascism seeks to accomplish. To create a state based on NEW ideas, albeit while romanticizing the past. Nonetheless, fascists do not wish to return to a previous state so they are not reactionary.

Fascism is a movement of progress, but it is unfairly dismissed because your everyday yokel anarchist or communist sees fascists as "unfair meanie dummy heads" in order to cling and defend their moral degradation.

[Anonymous No.3577612]

I wonder, what do actual Fascists think of National Socialists? I know they are quite similar in a lot of areas, but I see a lot of Fascists on this board shit talk Hitler. Are they more admiring of Mussolini or Franco then? That is ludicrous because Hitler was infinitely more successful than either of them.

[Anonymous No.3577632]

>>3577612
>Are they more admiring of Mussolini or Franco then? That is ludicrous because Hitler was infinitely more successful than either of them.
It's not merely about succes, it's about principles. Fascists are generally highly ethical people, even though many may disagree with their particular ethics. I'm guessing a lot of fascists aren't into the whole rabid anti-semitism and strange master race predestination quasi-esotericism type of thing.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3577637]

>>3577556
I despise fascism and communism, for example. The rewind to a former state I was talking about was that of the early 20th century, when communism was a menace to Europe. Fascism is reactionary by definition, because it's a reaction to the social movements who tried to oppose capitalism. If I say fascism is reactionary because of that and then you tell me I'm assuming communism is the only revolutionary movement ever and that I assume being anti-fascist implies being communist, then you aren't understanding what I'm saying and are assuming I make implications I obviously didn't make.
>>3577584
This would explain why they frighted against the interests of the bourgeoisie of their time... Oh wait, they didn't. Maybe because they were just opposing social movements. Fascism is anti-communism, supported by the bourgeoisie to maintain their privileges. Historical facts, man, they help.

>>3577589
They wish to return to the Empires from the past. Those new ideas are just propaganda to prevent progress towards a society without oppression. I see the progress they brought to the world: wars, segregation, violence, militarization, book burns, shitty education and what they wanted to be autarchist economy but ended up having to surrender to capitalism because failed horribly.

[Anonymous No.3577651]

>>3577612
>That is ludicrous because Hitler was infinitely more successful than either of them.

In what sense? Mussolini was the first and actually laid down a decent idea of what Fascism was and what it aimed to do. (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp)) So he was probably the best theorist. Whereas Franco lasted the longest and was possibly the most shrewd politician - he didn't let himself get dragged into a war he knew he couldn't win and maintained decent enough relations with both sides to ensure he didn't get invaded. Plus there was the 'economic miracle in Spain in the 60s, though to what extent he was responsible for it is debatable.

[Anonymous No.3577670]

>>3577637
>This would explain why they frighted against the interests of the bourgeoisie of their time...

So you have to fight against something to prove you're not part of it?

>Oh wait, they didn't. Maybe because they were just opposing social movements.

Proto-fascism was around before the Russian revolution.

>Fascism is anti-communism, supported by the bourgeoisie to maintain their privileges.

Prove it.

They were happy to utilise the corporations to further their goals - if it ain't broke... but do you really think if Krupp or MAN starting fucking around Hitler would have just said "My hands are tied"?

>Historical facts, man, they help.
>My skewed view of the world is historical fact.

No.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3577675]

>>3577651
>economic miracle in Spain in the 60s
That was when technocrats gained power to the Falange (actual fascists) and opened frontiers (thus ending autarchist economy and starting with capitalist economy, which isn't very fascist). The rest of Europe started spending their money there on vacation and speculation with building began (which concluded with Spain's nowadays' shitty economic system).

[Anonymous No.3577683]

>>3577589
we already tried fascism and it failed, how can be a progress willing to do the same mistakes? futurism was great and a movement of progress, but art and philosophy doesn´t share the same finalities of politics, art and philosophy start from an individualistic point of view, while politics should be pluralistic, so you cannot just use the same patterns of thought.
Fascism is for people that didn´t study politics.

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3577728]

>>3577670
>So you have to fight against something to prove you're not part of it?
More like you don't help him and get economically supported by him.
>Proto-fascism was around before the Russian revolution.
Yes, because the Russians invented communism...
1848 social revolts occurred before proto-fascism
>Prove it.
"Somebody" economically supported fascist groups and armed them to go lynch communist syndicates who happened to oppose capitalist interests, but that was all just by chance.
>fucking around Hitler
Why should them? Their interests were assured by him. The commies were the bourgeois enemies, Hitler was their protector.
>>3577670
Lol, my skewed view of the world? I'm talking about facts, what's a lie about them? Don't project... I'm not the one who's trying to defend an ideology.

[Anonymous No.3577753]

>>3577728
"Somebody" economically supported fascist groups and armed them to go lynch communist syndicates who happened to oppose capitalist interests, but that was all just by chance.

Prove it

[AnalCrust !m9jxTLhLcw No.3577785]

>>3577753
I don't think you really understood that sentence. Read it again, but now try to pay attention at the tone it's written and the irony at the part of "by chance".

[Anonymous No.3577796]

>>3577753
WHAT THE FUCK
are you American?

[Anonymous No.3578355]

>>3574673
>My relatives were killed by fascists

Juden pls go

[Anonymous No.3578483]

>>3578355
My great-grandfather was killed by the fascist and wasn't a jew. If you think only jew were killed by fascist you're a retard probably brainwashed by jewmedia.