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3498669 No.3498669 [Reply] [Original]

What's the best and most comprehensive book on 18th-19th century France and the revolutions?

>> No.3498676

Pls respond. I don't want to have to ask /pol/.

>> No.3498680

Thomas Carlyle's The French Revolution: A History

>> No.3498686

>>3498676
There is no such single work.

>Best
That'd be the latest work, available only as journal articles or chapters in edited collections resulting from conferences.

>Most comprehensive
Yeah, historiography doesn't work that way. What Napoleon ate for breakfast on a particular Tuesday is irrelevant.

You need to tell us if your interest is the social history of Europe, the political history of France, the development of modernity's central contradictions, the mentalities regarding women, military science and the column attack...

Survey works can't be comprehensive. Comprehensive works will be specialised. The best work is always detailed specialised work at the current coal face of analysis.

>> No.3498688

>>3498680
Definitely not this. Barely even qualifies as history. It has dialogue, for fucks sake.

I haven't read anything solely on the French revolution, but Hobsbawm's book on the period is pretty good.

>> No.3498714

OP is clearly looking for a history like Shirer's Decline and Fall of the Third Reich or Evans Third Reich Trilogy, and so am I.

>> No.3498722

>>3498714
So you're looking for a specious wank from a reactionary? Why didn't you say so. Most 19th century Catholic "histories" of the French Revolution ought to fill your needs then.

>> No.3498726

>>3498722
As long as it is a factual inclusive wank.

Also, Evans is very well reviewed in recent academic journals, especially his focus on social change and the third reichs cultural evolution. I would really like an inclusive history that includes segways into the life of the average parisian or even german or polish burgher under the monarchy, republic, and empire, as well as a political and military history.

Also, your attitude is needlessly elitist and rude.

>> No.3498759

>>3498676
What's wrong with /pol/?

Besides, they'll give you good answers.

>> No.3498784

Start with Alexis de Tocqueville's The Old Regime and The Revolution.

>> No.3498833

>>3498759
/pol/ is one of the worst places on the internet to discuss anything political. They don't understand politics or economics or history in the slightest. It's just a circlejerk for people who want to reply with half-baked pictures of Jews, Blacks or holocaust denial, and repeatedly tell each other to consume some form of red tablet.

/pol/ is like the bastard retarded offspring of Alex Jones and Hitler, who's being bullied in high-school and has recently started snorting meth. Your IQ will drop 5 points every time you go there.

>> No.3498837

>>3498833

It's nice that they're not mired in conventional assumptions. Unfortunately, they're usually mired in dumber ones.

>> No.3498841
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3498841

The Oxford History of the French Revolution by William Doyle

used as standard textbook in history courses. almost 500 pages of concentrated information. written by a scholar, so dont expect readability.

>> No.3499529

>>3498726
Because you're asking for a kind of work that is rare, rarely done, and is viewed as the wrong way forward by the majority of the community.

You're asking for "Dickens, but less political and without the artistic contribution."

>> No.3499537

>>3498837

there's nothing "unconventional" about the American right wing's talking-point echo-chamber, lamentably nough