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3437078 No.3437078 [Reply] [Original]

Do you know of any other books that display the practise of politics?
I want to read of treachery, plotting, ruthless and bold powerplays.

Like the George Martin fantasy series.

>> No.3437087

Wow, what a beautiful protestor.

>> No.3437104

Shakespeare

>> No.3437111

Furedi and Bauman

>> No.3437106

>>3437104
Something a little more modern perhaps?

>> No.3437112

>>3437106

Why?

>> No.3437118
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3437118

>>3437106
The Wind-Up Girl by Paolo Bacigalupi involved quite a bit of intrigue and powerplay. If you don't mind sci-fi it might please.

>> No.3437125

The Mandarins - Simone de Beauvoir
Crime Passionel - Sartre
After the Banquet - Yukio Mishima

>> No.3437127

The Palliser novels by Trollope

You will thank me for the rest of your life.

Takes place in an alternate history of Britain, though this isn't immediately obvious until ellections start happening.

>> No.3437143

>>3437112
Because I want to focus on the plot and characters, not marvel at the beauty of Early Modern English.

>>3437111
>>3437118
>>3437125
>>3437127
Cheers.

>> No.3437181

>>3437078
It's not just about politics, although there's some involved, but The Count of Monte Cristo is all about treachery, plotting, ruthless and bold powerplays. Plus it's actually good, as opposed the asoif.

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>>3437143
>has never read Shakespeare
>wants to read plot and characters like the George Martin fantasy series

>> No.3437187

If you insist on fantasy elements you might like the first book of "Lyonesse" by Vance, and a lot of the stuff in Martin was cribbed from Eddison's "Worm Ouroboros" especially the Carce court intrigues, and theirs plenty of backsatbbing and such in the first two Gormenghast books too.

>> No.3437204

>>3437078
Space Viking has a great deal of political theory

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>> No.3437220

Try Gore Vidal's Washington D.C

>> No.3437326

>>3437143
>not realising that all this modern shit pales in comparison compared to that which they owe their inspiration

>not a retard

I suppose you wouldn't be interested in Richard III.

No, not at all.

I suggest sticking to your James Patterson, your Joan Collins, and your Dan Brown (and your Jeffery Archer).

Quit while you're "ahead", bub. It's the best advice you'll ever hear.

>> No.3437333

>>3437078
THE CHRONICLES OF AMBER

>> No.3437337

>>3437326
Oh fuck off, you pretentious twit.

>> No.3437347

>>3437326
Who just reads plays for fun? That's lame. Why wouldn't you suggest he actually go see a production of Richard III? That seems like a much more worthwhile use of time.

>> No.3437354

>>3437216
>that skin
0/10

>> No.3437363

>>3437337
"When plebs get mad"
>the new hit series from /lit/
>full of intrigue
>plots plots plot
>and fail

>> No.3437365

>>3437182
>>3437326
What's with the hurt butts?
The only reason why I prefer a more recent novel over a Shakespearean play is because of the language.
I'm sure Shakespeare wrote some pretty fine shit, but I'm not going to enjoy it if I have to decode every 2nd line, which is what I would have to do.
I do enjoy Jeffery Archer and Wilbur Smith, sue me.

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>>3437216

>> No.3437370

>>3437337
>Shakespeare
>pretentious

lel whut?

>>3437347
Because plays are written to be read as well as performed.
They're not performed ad lib and then recorded on paper you dummy.

>> No.3437373

>>3437370
They're meant to be read by the people in the play...you know, so they know their lines. Reading a play is so dull. I love going to the theater, but I've never enjoyed reading a play.

>> No.3437383

Heinlein. It's sci-fi, but a work like The Moon is a Harsh Mistress goes into great detail in staging a revolutionary scenario for the space age.

>> No.3437387

>>3437365
Well, if you really aren't a troll (and your OP came off pretty damn trollish as far as /lit/ goes)
then have a look at something like "House of Cards" by Michael Dobbs.

To be honest, it's pretty much pulp but well written enough if all you're interested in is
>plot
The protagonist (antagonist, really) is quite intriguing.

But, as it is pulp anyway you might as well skip to the BBC series made of it - the character is truly brought to life there and it is one of the very few instances where the tv reproduction is pretty much better than the book. (so much so that the original author altered the his story plan for the rest of the books to coincide with the portrayal of the protag in the tv series.)

>Jeffery Archer
"First among equals"?

>> No.3437390

>>3437373
>hey bro I've got this really cool idea for a play in my head, want to give me money to perform it?

>> No.3437393

>>3437373
And that's all anyone ever needs to know about you.

disgusting

>> No.3437400

>>3437387
The American remake that came out last week is quite a bit of fun, too. If anything it might be better than the BBC series. Saging myself for talking about TV.

>> No.3437405

>>3437390
>>3437393
I mean. Wut? A play is a script...for a play? Do you guys read movie scripts in your spare time as well?

>> No.3437406

>>3437400
I believe in Spacey, but not in American remakes of brit shows. I'll give it a go regardless.

>> No.3437412
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3437412

Pillars of the Earth Its a historical novel set in England set during the 12th century. Its got all you're looking for and reminded me a lot of asoiaf.

>> No.3437420

>>3437412
Might as well just watch the tv series of that too, if the plot is all you're interested in.

saging for TV talk too

>> No.3437432

>>3437405
>what are you reading that book for anon? just watch the movie

>> No.3437437

>>3437432
Op has already made his views on reading for anything other than straight plot clear. And anyway, in that case I agree with them - the book was shit.

>> No.3437438

>>3437406
It's not your average American remake of a Brit show. Netflix is clearly trying very hard to prove that they can put out HBO-level shows.

>> No.3437444

>>3437432
It's not the same thing at all. A play is LITERALLY the goddamned script, word-for-word, for the play. A novel-to-film conversion is very different.

>> No.3437451

>>3437420
>>3437432
>>3437437
Yeah, don't even bother with Lord of the Rings, or the Hobbit too as far as fantasy goes.

Too fucking boring. Just watch the DVD extended editions.

They have nothing but plot. I'm sure you'll love them, OP.

>> No.3437461

>>3437437
>>3437451
Why else would you read a book but for the plot and the characters?

>> No.3437462

>>3437451
Exactly. I hope you didn't read ASOIF OP.
There's a tv series of that too.
Plot's pretty good, and you don't have to wade through 5000 pages of words to get to it!

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>>3437461

>> No.3437469

>>3437461
Yeah, I think moot made a mistake naming this forum /lit/ for "literature". It should really be called /bk/ for "book" - that or /plt/ for "plot".

>> No.3437472

>>3437444
It is the same thing bro, it's just an adaption

It's some guys vision of what he sees when he reads the play

>> No.3437481

>>3437469
>implying 'literature' and 'books' aren't similar in meaning and pretty much synonyms.

>>3437462
Ffs, I have nothing against reading a lot of words, I have nothing against big words and I hav e nothing against complexity or nuance.
I do not however, want to decipher a text that may as well be in another language when I could just as easily read something that is written in the dialect that I've been using my whole life. I would appreciate it if you guys dropped this passive aggressive superior attitude that you have going.

>> No.3437482

>>3437469
/pne/ - Plot, Nihilism and Existential despair.

>> No.3437488

>>3437481
You have recommendations, why do you even care about the rest?

>> No.3437509

>>3437488
I don't like it when my words are twisted and misrepresented by psuedo-intellectuals.
To a lesser extent, I also dislike it when such persons flaunt their advantage in the subject and mock people they see as less cultured.
Both characteristics, in my eyes, are weaknesses and should not be encouraged.

>> No.3437519

>>3437481
> 'literature' and 'books' are similar in meaning and pretty much synonyms.
oh dear.

>> No.3437520

>>3437482
That's too close to "pone" for my liking.
But your heart's in the right place.

>> No.3437528

>>3437509
>I also dislike it when such persons flaunt their advantage in the subject and mock people they see as less cultured.
People suggested you try quality, not crap. And yet you stubbornly refuse to listen to anything that goes against your ingrained ignorance. Then you get all defensive.

>faggot

>> No.3437544

>>3437519
If that's his attitude then there is no hope.

It may be in the OP's interest to read the novelizations of some blockbuster films. They sure do make some nice *books these days.

>> No.3437545

>>3437520
How about /pen/?

>>3437528
What quality have I rejected?
I will probably read most of the books posted itt, so you are obviously talking shit.

>> No.3437546

>>3437078
if you are interested in nonfiction you might like
A Description of the Methods Adopted by the Duke Valentino when Murdering Vitellozzo Vitelli, Oliverotto da Fermo, the Signor Pagolo, and the Duke di Gravina Orsini by machiavelli

>> No.3437557

La Sanfelice by Alexandre Dumas. At least I think that's the English title. It's really long but it's worth it. It's about the wars and political games mainly in Naples during the French Revolution.

>> No.3437560

>>3437557
I just realized that maybe there isn't even an English translation, I'm reading it in Hungarian but I can't really find an English edition.

>> No.3437564

>"Oh hi anon. What's that? You want us to recommend literature that explores the machinations of politics? Shakespeare has written some of the finest examples of that, you should try him.
>"Hurr durrr noooooo Shakespeare is old and boring shit for pseudo-intellectual try-hard hipsters I want modern stuff written in language I can understand like Game of Thrones!"

japes japes japes japes

>> No.3437579

>>3437444
Explain the likes of Faust then, which was deliberately un-stageable at the time (and arguably still is)

>> No.3437580

>>3437564
Pretty much this thread.
OP truly is a faggot.