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Hello /lit/ I don't usually read, but I recently read a lot of Ayn Rand (I legitimately enjoyed this) and I would please like something similar, maybe a little bit better to read. So if you could give me some recommendations I would be much obliged.

>> No.3329488

marx

>> No.3329496

nietzsche

>> No.3329502

Stephanie Meyer

Vampire rape fantasies aren't that different from wealthy industrialist rape fantasies.

>> No.3329507

Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy, Pushkin

>> No.3329513

>>3329485
Anything is better than Ayn Rand, even Tao Lin.

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Conservative literature thread? :3

>> No.3329523

>>3329488
Agreed. (seriously) Try and read some stuff from the 'other side' rather than just parrot one messiahs beliefs.

Just because Ayn Rand says socialism/communism etc is evil doesn't mean you should believe her - no matter how loud she yells.

Have a look at 'Contemporary Political Philosophy' by Kymlicka for starters.

>> No.3329527

don't get into marxist bullshit

conservatives are too busy living to make graven images (art), so they mostly don't

>> No.3329534

Stirner

>> No.3329557

Not OP, but what's a good book that covers a variety of political theories, but not in an overly basic way?

I'm looking for something that basically goes a bit deeper than those typical "60 second guides" you find in the buy 2 get the third free section in the bookstore.

>> No.3329561

>>3329557
Wikipedia

>> No.3329580

>rand

>> No.3329597

The Disposessed. Similar, and even better.

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>>3329597

>> No.3329606

>>3329518

>Rand
>conservative

>> No.3329608

>>3329602
What?

>> No.3329619

Lol OP in the old days you could get banned just for making this thread. Try Orwell or Koestler.

>> No.3329616

Free to Choose by Milton Friedman and Rose Friedman
Pragmatism by William James
The Thomas Sowell Reader

>> No.3329620

>>3329606
She... is...?

>> No.3329630

>>3329620

>ameriga

That newspeak sure is doubleplusgood.

>> No.3329635

>>3329606
>implying she is not philisophically at the front of the Tea Party movement
>implying Paul Ryan does not think she is a national hero

>> No.3329641

>>3329635

>implying the Tea Party and Paul Ryan are "conservative"
>implying that liberetardians espouse Rand's actual "philosophy"

>> No.3329651

>>3329620

>Although her political views are often classified as conservative or libertarian, she preferred the term "radical for capitalism". She worked with conservatives on political projects, but disagreed with them over issues such as religion and ethics.[111] She denounced libertarianism, which she associated with anarchism.[112] She rejected anarchism as a naïve theory based in subjectivism that could only lead to collectivism in practice.[113]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_rand#Philosophy

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3329675

FUG U I GOT MINE :DDDDDDDDD

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i liek dea pardy dax is defd red lideradure :DDDDD

>> No.3329702

>>3329651
She is still a fiscal conservative by modern American standards, a pretty far-right one at that.

>> No.3329703

>>3329641
>implying the Tea Party and Paul Ryan are "conservative"
They definitely are.

>> No.3329708

>>3329641
U wot m8

>> No.3329713

>>3329702

>rebuild the economy, government from the bottom up
>conservative

>>3329703
>want to get rid of government
>conservative

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

>> No.3329717

>>3329713
>I don't think that word means what you think it means.
It rarely has anything to do with government. It's an almost completely unrelated set of ideals.

>> No.3329719

Not sure if troll thread.
However.

The Revolt of the Masses by José Ortega y Gasset

>> No.3329722

>>3329717

>radically change the country
>conservative

>> No.3329726

>>3329717

>right-wing anarcho-loon
>conservative

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Learn the economics of capitalism with Man, Economy, and State

http://mises.org/Books/mespm.PDF

>> No.3329731

>>3329485
I don't see how anyone could enjoy Rand. I found her writing to be boring as watching paint dry.

>> No.3329739

>>3329722
So you now think conservative means "doesn't change anything"? This is what some conservatives like to claim, but only when a conservative is in power. It's absolutely not true though. They want to return to some imagined previous set of ideals or culture or whatever, so tend to complain that people today have no respect for the institution of x, x being something like marriage or law or something else they value. In short, your typical conservative imagines people from the past were generally awesome and now everyone's shit.

>> No.3329751

>>3329739

>Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to retain") is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions. A person who follows the philosophies of conservatism is referred to as a traditionalist or conservative

>> No.3329753

>>3329606

Ayn Rand doesn't know what she was. She was a conservative.

>> No.3329757

>>3329502
lol that's great.... just lol props to you sir

>> No.3329760

>>3329751
>replying to a comment with the exact same information

>> No.3329773

>>3329760

Yep, and in what way does conservatism relate to radical restructuring, including dissolving the state?

>> No.3329809

>>3329739

That's exactly what conservatism means. Implying it means anything else is disingenuous.

>> No.3329811

>>3329773
To bring back value of or belief in or something similar of other institutions they view as traditional. If you view the state as something radical, unnatural or in some way untraditional, then as a conservative you would want rid of it. It'd be embodied in statements like "Business men have been trading this way for centuries (see Adam Smith). It is this certain set of ideals that has promoted all that is/was good in the world. TO have any regulation on this state of affairs would either do nothing or have a negative impact"

>> No.3329817

>>3329811

>traitor working for the overthrow of government
>traditional values

>> No.3329830

>>3329817
>traitor supporting the North/Reds/Kikes/Republicans/White Man
>traditional values

>> No.3329848

>GOP
>coalition of religious fundamentalists, ultra-nationalists and anarchists
>conservative party

>> No.3329854 [DELETED] 

I'm conservative. Ask me whatever you'd like.

>> No.3329859

>>3329854
>whatever you'd like
Sounds too imaginative and progressive for a conservative.

>> No.3329869

>>3329854
What conditions must be met before its justifiable to violently resist the government?

>> No.3329871

>>3329854
How are you conservative? Why are you conservative?

>> No.3329882

>>3329854

What do you think is the most efficient way to smash the statist pigs comrade?

>> No.3329893 [DELETED] 

>>3329859
That's a quip, not a question.
>>3329869
tyranny such as the Intolerable Acts
>>3329871
I'm conservative by nature. I'm conservative on most issues except on "social issues" where I'd be called moderate by American standards (which is conservative by other first world standards).

>> No.3329894 [DELETED] 

>>3329882
>comrade
Look, I ain't your fucking "comrade"

>> No.3329910

>>3329893
I suppose I have a few questions. Can one be taxed to the point where violent resistance is justified (short of the point where said taxation is a threat to life and not merely quality of life)? What particularly about the Intolerable Acts makes them intolerable?

>> No.3329915

>>3329893
>That's a quip, not a question.
Oh, so you're a passive aggressive authoritarian.

>> No.3329920

>>3329893

If the majority votes for members who support "intolerable acts," is violent overthrow not anti-democratic and in fact, oppressive?

>> No.3329954

>>3329702
I don't think you know what a fiscal conservative means

>> No.3329974

>>3329954

In America, a fiscal conservative is someone who doesn't bat an eyelid at spending more than the rest of the world combined on war and military, but hates paying tax.

>> No.3330001

>>>/pol/
This is where this conversation belongs.

>> No.3330082

>>3330001
But there be monsters

>> No.3330207

>>3329920
Is the original act not oppressive?

The violent overthrow is self-defense.

10 out of 12 people democratically decide to rape the 2. In your eyes that would be legitimate.

>> No.3330226

>>3330207

>strawmang

>> No.3330300

>>3330226
>My idea doesn't apply to all situations I claimed it did! Better cover it up!
Wow nice strawman faggot.
>That'll show him!

>> No.3330395

>>3330300

Sir, I believe you have been told online. Any further followup is clearly indicative of your rustled state.

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>>3329502