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herro friends

So, big art nerd here (mostly film) with very little 'reading' experience (all I read are scientific journals)

I'm trying to get more into literature but it's being very hard for mostly because I really dislike fiction and narratives

I have an especially huge disdain for it in film, where it single handedly caused arthouse to fall to its knees and be replaced by Hollywood
I pretty much restrict myself to non narrative and experimental cinema

I tried to go over the board's reccomendations but it seems like all of it is narrative fiction, many of which I'm already familiar with from script adaptations and film and greatly dislike

Where should I look instead?

>> No.3305410

Naked Lunch is your book.

>> No.3305420

>>3305399

If you like Brakhage (and anyone who doesn't can be easily filed into the "shithead" bin), then I might recommend Alain Robbe-Grillet, George Perec, and maybe Richard Brautigan.

Others will recommend Pynchon, Joyce, probably Foster Wallace, but they're all narrative writers (especially Joyce, but the narrative is shit and that gives it an aura of abstraction).

Poetry comes closer to the visual arts, and I particularly recommend Kenneth Goldsmith, who is a kind of sculptor, kind of poet. Then I'd recommend John Berryman, who I recommend to anyone asks even tangentially.

>> No.3305431

>>3305420
Thank you so much!
I posted a Brakhage pic specifically to better illustrate my point and hoping someone would recognize him, glad it happened.


PS: Just noticed how atrocious my English in OP is, sorry guys. I imagine of all boards, this would bother you guys the most!

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>>3305420

Oh yeah, and pic related.

http://briandettmer.com/

I don't really know what this is - it's literature and it's sculpture and it's completely fascinating. I come from a literary background, so I view his work as poetry, but what the fuck do I know?

Burroughs is mentioned above, but Dettmer takes the "cut-up" technique to a completely other level. It's not a book though. Or maybe it is.

>> No.3306184

tag, good thread

>> No.3306188

I didn't find out about Brakhage until a few weeks ago, but I'm absolutely mesmerized, The Dante Quartet and Dog Star Man in particular are profoundly beautiful works.

>> No.3306198

>>3305399
How can you not like narratives? What is there then, I simply can't fathom watching a movie or reading a book without one.

>> No.3306210

>>3306198
>What is there then

Experiences

To me, narratives are just a primitive, hamfisted and self limiting way of providing an experience

I view them as an introductory tool for children

>> No.3306211

Brakhage is meh tier. Deal with it.

>> No.3306212

>>3306198

>what is there

Sensation without distraction. Pure, raw, unfiltered art. Pollock had it right.

>> No.3306221

Don't mind me I'm just being super edgy and ignoring the one of the few universals of human culture.

>> No.3306227

>>3306221
You really need to go learn what 'universals' are

That and stop being insecure

>> No.3306231

>>3305399
>I tried to go over the board's reccomendations but it seems like all of it is narrative fiction, many of which I'm already familiar with from script adaptations and film and greatly dislike
Not only is that stupid, it's also bullshit.

>> No.3306234

>>3306231
>stupid

>> No.3306235

>>3306210
>>3306212
I'm currently clenching my right hand into a loose fist and bringing it up and down.

>> No.3306239

>>3306227

Name one culture in which narrative is not important. ONE. I dare you.

>> No.3306240

>>3306235

>>3306227
>stop being insecure

>> No.3306245

>>3306239

MuuMuu House

>> No.3306246

>>3306239
>important


You literally do not know the difference between 'important' and 'prevalent'

You literally do not know the difference between 'universals' and 'of wide prevalence'

>> No.3306249

>>3306198

It would be traditional to say 2deep4u at this moment, but I'm not going to.

Narrative art imposes constrictions and unrealities. Many people don't enjoy narrative as it closes their interpretation of an artwork, despite the alleged "death of the author", if the dead author constructs a work which guides you to an endpoint of riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, and you're back where you started, then there's a natural artistic/critical response which is "fuck you, you cunt, how fucking dare you tell me where to go".

Someone like Kenneth Goldsmith attempts to avoid this railroading towards meaning, and allows the reader to inhabit the work, or something. I dunno.

All the time on /lit/ people are all like

>reading for plot

While reading for plot/narrative. It's funny really.

non-narrative art is kind of like that, but without going up your own arsehole and lying.

I saw this thing recently which was constructed entirely of film footage shot through the tiny metal window of an armoured personnel carrier in Iraq. In an hour it told me more than any news report about what people see in that situation, but I couldn't tell you how.

I also can't remember the artist, which is pretty terrible of me, but I'm a terrible person. It's not the worst thing I've done.

>> No.3306252

>>3306246
I'm not even that guy, but if EVERY culture has it, then by definition it is universal, no?

>> No.3306256

>>3306252
>no

>> No.3306258

>>3306256

get your head out of your ass, son.

>> No.3306257

>>3306235
If you want a proper answer, Jung put Narrative in opposition to Synchronicity, and I would be surprised if you haven't seen something that uses synchronicity over narrative unless you've cut yourself off from culture since the 1950s or so.

>> No.3306260

>>3306258

>>3306227
>stop being insecure

>> No.3306263

>>3306257

Oh, look a bunch of coincidences collapsing time, which IS NARRATIVE IN ITS ESSENCE. Synchronicity does not exist without a backdrop of narrative you clown.

>> No.3306269

>>3306263
>NARRATIVE IN ITS ESSENCE

No

You are simply ascribing input to a self imposed narrative because that's the only way you can apparently process sensation

>> No.3306270

>>3306269

You're too stupid to argue with; I'm out.

>> No.3306272

>>3306263
>Oh, look a bunch of coincidences collapsing time
Oh, look an idiot with no clue of what he's talking about. That's not synchronicity.
>which IS NARRATIVE IN ITS ESSENCE
You should publish a paper in a respected journal.

>> No.3306273

>>3306263
>you clown
>>3306270
>You're too stupid
>>3306227
>stop being insecure

>> No.3306276

>>3306263

Have you ever seen Paul Auster's movie(s) - Smoke and [the other one]?

There's no narrative to speak of, much like Auster's work in general It's a celebration of synchronicity.

It's not precisely the non-narrative that OP speaks of, but Auster is the closest that the mainstream comes to aceiving it. Moon Palace in particular is a novel which you read and think "hang on a moment, what the fuck was all that? is that a story or what?"

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>>3306249
I envy people like you, The true believers! I was once at the MOMA and saw this pretty girl staring at some abstract shit, I walked back to the room 10 minutes later and she was still staring at it and I felt so touched and so inadequate, she was experiencing something transcendent on a whole other plane and all I saw was ugly shit.

Then you go describe your war movie and it sounds like the most fucking boring thing ever, like so fucking shitty but it meant something to you. There are two possibilities, you're full of shit and see nothing in these postmodern fag-fests but just want to be fancy OR there is real meaning in them but they are beyond me. Both options make me sad.

>> No.3306286

>>3306273

>> No.3306292

>>3306279
>saw this pretty girl
>felt so touched and so inadequate
That's what you get for letting your penis do your thinking.

>> No.3306296

But what that guy said is right, narrative story telling is found in most human cultures.

>> No.3306297

>>3306279
I don't think either of your options are correct and everything you wrote about these people is really a reflection of yourself, rather than reliable observations of a group you envy but feel inadequate before.

I'd say loosen the fuck up and stare at some piece of shit art for 10 minutes like the girl. If these people are finding their own meaning it's because they're going through the process, not because they're "genetically different".

It ain't nothin'

>> No.3306300

>>3305444
it's a picture of your mind. All the shit you see is the shit you think, now think about how much shit isn't on the surface

>oooooooh subconcious

>> No.3306311

>>3306296

That's not entirely true. Many "primitive" cultures have non-narrative artforms which dominate their artistic experience.

Other "primitive" cultures (15 year old-girls, for example) derive enormous artistic pleasure from non-narrative artdorms like pop videos or the Beatles in "Can't Buy Me Love".

Brion Gysin and William Burroughs experiemented with non-narrative art throughout their association. Gertrude Stein, George Braque, Jackson Pollock can all be seen as non-narrative.

The 20th century was essentially founded on the resistance to the narrative (modernism) and then the resistance to the meta-narrative ("post" modernism).

I was going to correct artdorms to artforms , but it seemed appropriate to leave it.

>> No.3306312

In comparing avant-garde films with the greatest film director of the 20th century: John Cassavetes.

"Most avant-garde films don’t arouse the degree of resistance from a viewer or a critic that Cassavetes’ work does because they implicitly marginalize their own insights. They stylistically contain the dangers dramatized; they do not release them into life.

Their assaults are formal, their fragmentations are stylistic, their disorientations are intellectual. Cassavetes moves avant-garde imaginative disruptions off of the screen and into the world "

http://people.bu.edu/rcarney/cassfilms/responsestext.htm

>> No.3306314

>>3306276
>Have you ever seen Paul Auster's movie(s) - Smoke
I saw Smoke, and if that for you is the best example of a non-narrative movie, you haven't seen many movies at all. I mean, citing a Wayne Wang movie of all things. "Because of Winn Dixie was so deep, it's like it didn't even have a story"

>> No.3306318

Everything is a narrative, you can't change that.
You can't kill narrative because it is how we process the world at a neurobiological level.

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>>3306300

It's also a phenomenally detailed sculpture, carved page by page from a discarded book. Can you picture that in your mind? Can you produce such a thing? Can you even conceive it?

These are all rhetorical questions, by the way, I know that you can't.

>> No.3306322

>>3306318
I think you'll find that everything is metaphor, including narratives.

>> No.3306328

Avant-garde films marginalize their own insights. They stylistically contain the dangers dramatized; they do not release them into life. Their assaults are formal, their fragmentations are stylistic, their disorientations are intellectual. Thats why narrative filmakers like John Cassavetes or Robert Kramer are far superior to avant-garde directors like Brakhage.

>> No.3306357 [DELETED] 

>>3306296

No it's not, bollocks.
Fuck you, you wanker.

I had better responses to this prepared, but the internet ate them.

>>3306296

There are many non-narrative forms in indigenous art, I had examples in my last post, look them up yourself. In the 21st century, many millions of people derive pleasure from videos of 1 Direction or Justin Bieber which have no narrative whatsoever. And before you get on your high horse, your mother enjoyed "Can't Buy Me Love" and all those other Beatles Movies which had no narrative whatsoever.

>> No.3306366

>>3306357
Yellow Submarine and Hard Day's Night had narratives.

>> No.3306371

>>3306311
Exceptions to the norm. That doesn't make them invalid or uninteresting, but dosen't dispute the claim that narratives are found in most if not all cultures.

>> No.3306399

This is all rather boring now - continue with your belief that narrative is essential, and then tomorrow maintain your position that "reading for plot=mongoloid" and just enjoy yourselves in your little bay of ignorance that you have here.

I think my New Year's resolution is that I'm seriously done with you babies. The OP asked the first interesting thing that I've seen in months, and now it degrades to this shit-slinging competition.

/lit/ is the biggest bag of cunts I've ever shoved my hand into. And you always come out sucking your own thumb. You're shocking, and I've been here too long.

>> No.3306404

>>3305399
OP, could you recommend us some of your favorite films?
--
You should read At Swim Two Birds and especially The Man Without Qualities

>> No.3306406

>>3306399
You really need to calm down because someone disagreed with you.

>> No.3306409

>>3306399
>I think my New Year's resolution is that I'm seriously done with you babies.
I am reading this in Angelica from the Rugrat's voice.

>> No.3306421

>>3306409

I don't even know what the fuck that means. If you're talking about some TV show, then you're proving my fucking point.
>>3306406

You need to shut the fuck up and take a serious look at the shit that's occupying portions of your life. This is a fucking cesspit.

I've been mad on the internet before, but never actually for real.

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>>3306421
>being elitist about not watching tv as a kid

>> No.3306432

>>3306431

>implying I was a kid when you were.

Cunt.

>> No.3306433

>>3306399
You can think that narrative is essential, and that reading for plot is stupid. You wouldn't be saying narrative is all there is.

I know, however, that narrative is not essential, but so far nobody has provided any decent examples of things that lack a narrative. Just because Pollock's work lacks iconography doesn't mean one couldn't divine some narrative in it, and as for examples like Beatles movies and Auster's work lacking narrative, it's plain wrong, all that's happening is that narratives are being presented in unusual ways there.

The most obviously non-narrative works are from the guys who were in the "Nouveau Roman" movement, like Robbe-Grillet.

>> No.3306435

>>3306432
I feel you've lost control of your life. Time to make that pudding

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>>3306432
In that case you're either underage or getting mad on the internet whilst being at least 23 or older

>> No.3306440

>>3306433

Oh just shut the fuck up you docile cunt. Re-read the fucking thread, check the references to the shit that you're spewing out and then fuck off.

do a ctrl+f "robbe". Spastic.

You cunts make me fucking sick. I hope I wasn't so much of a piss-stain when I was your age, even though I know I probably was. I did, however have a fucking vestige of an education, in place of a mass of ill-informed opinion.

You make me want to vomit. This board is like bad fucking meat. And I will continue to insult you until I grow tired of it.

>> No.3306442

>>3306437
He'd have to have been way over 23 to have been too old for Rugrats.

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>>3306440

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>>3306437

AS I FUCKING SAID: This is probably the first time I've been genuinely angry on the internet - so it's time to give up.

In the meantime, look - I can post an "amusing" image by my comment as well. Mine >implies cunts.

Oh, gosh, how fucking amusing - I've just put a picture next to my words, now I'm at least 15x funnier than I was.

>> No.3306448

>>3306440
>I have my question answered
>you're all know nothing piss-stains!
Am I witnessing the birth of an epic new mental breakdown?

>> No.3306452

>>3306442

Some people's parents actually raised them rather than dumping them in front of the idiot-box and then fucking off.

>> No.3306454

W-what...what is happening?

>> No.3306455

>>3306440
>>3306452
You need to stop drinking so much dad

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>>3306452
>being elitist about not watching tv as a kid

>> No.3306460

>>3306454
A 30 year old is breaking down

>> No.3306461

>>3306452
I watched tv and read extensively as a kid, because of this I actually understand film

>> No.3306462

>>3306460
You would too if you were that old and thought Wayne Wang ever produced anything like "non narrative and experimental cinema"

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>>3306452
>Gets "genuinely angry on the internet"
>Thinks he's been raised right

>> No.3306465

I took a Film class and had to watch all sorts of avant garde film. The one I remember the most was some french art-house film showing a fly crawling around on a fucking wall. I hate to sound like some brash pleb but it's boring as fuck. Abstraction is boring. It's deep within the human psyche to want to grasp a narrative, an unfolding of events that coincides with our linear perception of time and our Western perspective of ever-progressing history. Now, author manipulation, that's schlock technique, I'll admit it. But that shouldn't completely degrade the whole concept of narrative fiction- a form that has existed since the dawn of man and will likely exist as long as we do. "Arthouse film", "Raw emotion", whatever the fuck you want call it, comes close to being "art" (I presumptively define art as something created that provokes reflection) but ultimately fail to make a real connection with our humanness.

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>>3306448
>Am I witnessing the birth of an epic new mental breakdown?

There's nothing epic about it, and no breakdown. Let's say it's a "moment of clarity" and move on from the fact that you're still a nothingness contained in a twat.

You've never read any Nouveau roman , so there's no point engaging you on Robbe-Grillet or anything else. I don't know anything about Harry Potter because I've never read it/seen it/written fanfiction and masturbated over emma wossname.

We have no common ground - this isn't an argument. You're all know-nothing filth to be scraped.

Look, here's another picture - it's that girl you like, or maybe another one, who gives a fuck because you'll wank anyway.

>> No.3306470

>>3306465

Incorrect, scum.

>> No.3306471

/lit/ always has the best film threads

>> No.3306473

>>3306469
muh fallacies

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>>3306464

>Doesn't have a clue what is spouting from his cunt mouth
>posts anyway
>trollface makes it "amusing"

Go back to sucking your dad's cock, Johnny-come-lately.

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>>3306473

You seriously think that's an answer?

There's a reason you're still a kid. It's because you're fucking stupid.

Shut your whore mouth.

>> No.3306480

>>3306476
>being 30
>saving lel images
Changed my mind, you lost it long ago

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>>3306476
>Mfw you described your own post

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>>3306480

>Thinks I'm 30
>muh assumptions

See, I can act like a fucking moron too.

>> No.3306488

>>3306471

Films are less taxing to analyze than books

>> No.3306489

>>3306469
Are you trolling? Honestly, I've found the people of /lit/ to be among the smartest and nicest communities on the net.

How old are you? If you don't mind me asking.

>> No.3306490

>>3306469
>You've never read any Nouveau roman
Robbe-Grillet is one of my favourite authors.

>> No.3306493

>>3306485
>under 30
>can't identify rugrats

>> No.3306497

>>3306469
>You've never read any Nouveau roman
Pretty sure a lot of people have read Julio Cortázar

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>>3306490

Oh that's hilarious. Your favourite author is doubtless Tom Clancy or JK Rowling. You SAY your favourite author is Robbe-Grillet because you think that it matches your scarf and ironic moustache.

Fuck off - I shit babies like you before breakfast then I fuck your women and make them keep the big glasses on.

>> No.3306502

>>3306499
>I shit babies
wot

>> No.3306504

This thread became very poor very quickly.

>> No.3306506

>>3306499
Does my like of Robbe-Grillet intimidate you? Has your penis retracted into your body because of this? Are you now breathing manually?

>> No.3306507

>>3306504
Happens when a pretentious one gets angry

>> No.3306508

>>3306493
Shut your mouth you insipid cunt, my family actually raised me right on our FARM unlike you degenerate rabble. Instead of rotting my mind with the tepid offerings of Holywood I was working and reading and delving into the depths of literature. I remember the first time I fucked a mare in heat, I bet you're all still virgins, don't waste my time children.

>> No.3306513

>>3306493

No I can't. You know what else? I've never seen "The Office", nor have I ever watched "Seinfeld" or "Two and a Half Men", I've never seen "Snoopy" or "Game of Thrones". I've never wasted an hour of my life in front of an episode of "Space Ghost" or "Powerpuff Girls" or "My Little Pony".

You know why? Because I've always had better things to do, and when I was a kid, they didn't just fucking abandon me to be raised by Spongebob Squarepants and the Domino's Pizza guy.

You know what else? I'm not massively overweight, I went to good universities and I'm remarkably well-adjusted other than right at this fucking minute when the minutiae of what the fuck I've been wasting my time on with you absolute arseholes has come crashing down on me and I've made the realisation that this isn't just a waste of time, it's actually eroding me as a human being. /lit/ has made me less of a person, and if I'm not careful, I'll become like you.

>> No.3306516

Aaaand that's a wrap.

>> No.3306517

would someone kindly explain to a plebeian what on earth author manipulation is?

>> No.3306520

>>3306513
>I've never seen "The Office", nor have I ever watched "Seinfeld" or "Two and a Half Men", I've never seen "Snoopy" or "Game of Thrones". I've never wasted an hour of my life in front of an episode of "Space Ghost" or "Powerpuff Girls" or "My Little Pony".
You sure know all of them though.

>> No.3306523

>>3306513
>minutiae
You spelt minute wrong m8

>> No.3306525

>>3306513
This is like /sp/ quality rage

>> No.3306527

>>3306454

Mummy and Daddy are breaking up. Now get back to bed until we decide which one of us has to keep the titleech. I mean you. We both love you very much, it's a grown-up thing.

Except I don't love you, I want to batter your head in with the iron.

>>3306455

You need to stop running your cunt mouth when I've been drinking, son.

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>>3306513
>durr i'm better than all of you!!

>> No.3306533

>>3306517
pls respond

>> No.3306540

>>3306520

They were the first things that came into my head that fucking morons bang on about all the time because they're fucking stupid.

Here are some more things I never watched: Pop Idol, Dancing with the Stars, Doing the Dishes with Padme Lakshmi, Home Improvement, Dara O' Brian's Science Club, Degrassi High, Gordon Ramsay's Whatever the fuck.

I know the names of many of these things because fucking morons use them in the place of conversation or culture.

>> No.3306544

>>3306540
You sound obsessed.

>> No.3306547

>>3306544

You sound like my whore's bitch. Anything else to add, or are you just a spunkstain on the end of this rag?

>> No.3306548

>>3306540
>Doing the Dishes with Padme Lakshmi
Wow, that's real?

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>>3306540
>the place of conversation or culture.
Are you autistic?

>> No.3306552

>>3306547
>You sound like my whore's bitch.
I sound like you?

>> No.3306553

Wait, what so wrong about Ayn Rand

>> No.3306556

>>3306553
Terrible writer terrible ideas

>> No.3306558

>>3305399
>with very little 'reading' experience (all I read are scientific journals)
>all I read are scientific journals

end yourself.

>> No.3306559

>>3306547
why are you so profoundly angry? what do you expect to gain from this exchange?

>> No.3306562

>>3306550

If you've never encountered some cunt who uses things he's watched on TV in place of actual conversation, then you're some cunt who uses things he's watched on TV in place of actual conversation.

>Oh, wow, Anon, did you see that show about scuba diving last night? I've always wanted to go scuba diving but I never had the time but I saw this show and they were scuba diving all the time I watched it for four hours.

Cunt.

>> No.3306566

Just wanted to say to angry anon: I understand and I agree. It is time for you to leave, do not return here. It is not in your interests to do so. You have broken out of the cocoon, the caterpillars still here cannot fathom the feel of the wind under your wings. Go now, do not return.

>> No.3306573

>>3306559

Have you read anything I've typed in the last hour. I am FUCKING PROFOUNDLY ANGRY. You are all a terrible disappointment and to think that you're the future of the world gives me the fucking screamin ab-dabs.

>Generation Y
>Generation Fuck-All.

You're nothing - generation zero, a regression to the bad old past. You're less informed than your grandparents on a wider range of subjects, and less interesting in all regards. You have nothing to recommend you. Almost all of you, anyway.

>> No.3306567

>>3306556
Care to elaborate?

>> No.3306569

I honestly want to know, what makes Ayn Rand such a terrible writer? And what makes objectivism terrible too?

>> No.3306577

>>3306567
Try reading Atlas Shrugged, the prose is appalling and the pacing terrible

>> No.3306579

>>3306566

I told you that I will leave and stop insulting you when I am good and ready.

Your piss-poor metaphor of caterpillars will not change that at all. Did you even think about it before you typed, or are you listening to that song about the wind beneath my wings as you type? Because either way, you may as well have saved your fucking energy for when you need to get your wheelchair up a ramp, you fucking spastic.

>> No.3306582

>>3306567

Her work doesn't have any kind of rigor or precision, it lacks philosophic clarity - which would be fine if she was doing anything but using narrative as a thin cloak for an overtly preachy diatribe. Her characters are zero-dimensional, her style is pretty universally vacant, and she can't write an entertaining story to save her life. Most sensible right-wing thinkers find her philosophy laughable. She was never taken seriously by anything but the popular imagination.

Anthem is almost readable, but none of her other work is even worth glancing through.

Not him.

>> No.3306586

>>3306577
Yeah, I hear that a lot. I tried to read it and couldn't get past the first part, though I actually read The Fountainhead and liked it.

>> No.3306588

>>3306582
>him
Fuck you man

>> No.3306589

>>3306552

You fucking wish that for one moment of your inbred life you could sound like me. I'm no genius, but by comaprison to the shit of this board, I am a fucking coruscating firework and you are a tiny spark.

>> No.3306590

>>3306588

Sorry. This IS 4chan.

>> No.3306593

>>3306589
>but by comaprison

>> No.3306594

Wait, the übermensch in this thread is angry because someone laughed at him not identifying Rugrats?

>> No.3306596

>>3306589

>let me demonstrate my teenaged notion of self-worth

>> No.3306600

>>3306594
They were already angry by then

>> No.3306603

>>3306567
>>3306567
>>3306556
>>3306553

You cunts want to talk about Ayn Rand, eh? Well I'll tell you about her: she fucked Alan Greenspan (slightly against his will), and he basically created modern America. Your shit-ridden, spoiled and pointless generation is based on the Randian ideal.

You didn't live up to it, and a large proportion of you ended up as uniformed tools in foreign parts, who didn't understand what was happening, but then the rest of you ended up as tools in your parent's spare-room who also didn't understand what was happening.

That's why Rand is a banned subject - because you are Rand. All of you. And that's why you are such abject fucking shit.

>> No.3306606

>>3306589
That's because most people recognise that adapting their vocabulary to the environment of 4chan leads to a beneficial experience

>> No.3306610

>>3306582
Huh, I've only seen Objectivism criticized from the left.

>> No.3306612

>>3306593

Oooh, some child spotted a typo. Well fucking done.

Tell you what, I'll call you a fucking cnut. There's another one, on me - I can feel your tiny boner raising in your shorts even as you read it.

How does it feel to know that the best part of you ran down your mother's leg the night your father fucked off forever?

>> No.3306613

>>3306603
Just when it couldn't get any better, pop
>>3306610
No-one wants to be associated with Rand anon (although that does seem to be a more European dissociation given the likes of Paul Ryan)

>> No.3306617

>>3306610

You aren't reading intelligent criticism, I'd be willing to guarantee.

Objectivism is based on all kinds of silly notions of value that don't hold up to scrutiny. She reads like a bastardization of Nietzche for teenagers with a complex.

>> No.3306619

>>3306606

I can adapt my vocabulary

>hurrr durr I R haev beneficial sperience.

ok 4 U, m8?

>> No.3306625

>>3306603
What the hell are you on about? Were you the guy in that children's literature thread?

Is everything ok anon?

>> No.3306627

>>3306613

Your "Reagan" era? Rand. Britain's "Thatcherism"? Rand.

Generation Zero are Ayn Rand's bastards. Fucking deal with it.

>> No.3306633

>>3306627
>strong central government
>rand

>> No.3306634

>>3306625
>Were you the guy in that children's literature thread?

What the fuck are you talking about? Can any one of you maintain the butterfly in your head for one fucking second, or have years of Rugrats and Spongebob rendered you incapable of focusing on anything but pornography and twitter?

>> No.3306640

I haven't seem such a dedicated internet tough guy in years, I'll give you that.

>> No.3306641

>>3306633

>Failing to understand politics
>also Rand

You're not supposed to think about it you idiot - you're supposed to go to the mine or the factory and keep you cunt mouth shut. Why not start practising now.

>Thatcherism
>Reaganism
>Strong central government

Seriously, where do you fucking retarded pricks get your political information from?

>> No.3306642

>>3306634
>Talking shit about Rugrats
Get a load of this guy.

>> No.3306643

>>3306617
What values don't hold up to scrutiny? Having read a bit of Nietzsche, I can come up with one thing. Rand places "truth" as the ultimate goal and the definition of beauty, while I feel Nietzsche recognized that falsehood can be beautiful as well. Fuck, I don't even know how Nietzsche can reference "truth" at all, every idea of his seems to contradict the concept. Anyway, what Randian values fall short upon closer analysis?

>> No.3306649

>>3306642
Show went to shit after Dil.

>> No.3306660

>>3306634
>allow me to demonstrate how cultured, educated, and intelligent i am
>by throwing a temper tantrum on 4chan

gee whiz anon how do i become as intelligent as you?

>> No.3306653

>>3306612
>>3306603
>>3306589
>>3306579
>>3306573
>>3306547
>>3306540
>>3306527
>>3306513
>>3306508
>>3306499
>>3306485
>>3306478
>>3306476
>>3306469
>>3306452
>>3306447
>>3306440
>>3306432
>>3306421
>>3306399
Holy shit, this is the best breakdown on 4chan I have seen.

>> No.3306656

>>3306640

I'm not a tough guy, and I'm not dedicated. I already covered this.

I'm tired of you, not tough. You've beaten me - now I'm angry and disappointed and attempting to tell you that you're all a bunch of fucking idiots before I go.

You're wasting your lives, your time, and your irreplaceable moments on Earth with idiots who know nothing.

Every single person in this thread could have spent the last hour or so more profitably than by arguing with an angry person on the internet, but you didn't - you stayed. Because you have no interest in literature, or in art, or even in discourse, but because you wanted a cheap argument.

You're filth. Genuinely. All of you. This is not what you imagined when you were children with ideals, and it's not what anyone imagined for you in your upbringing.

Arguing with idiots on the internet and stopping for the occasional fap-break is no way to live your life.

>> No.3306661

>>3306656
>children
>having ideals

>> No.3306664

>>3306656
>hypocrisy.txt

>> No.3306665

>>3306656
What does that make you? What lead you to your current position?

Talk to us, anon.

>> No.3306673

>>3306660
>>3306664
These latecomers to the thread are the worst. Like some kind of gnat around a wound. Truly tragic.

>oh I've seen this on the front page lets feed the troll

There is no troll here. There's nothing to see, but there's a lot to read.

You won't read it though, I know I'm wasting my time even more than you are.

>> No.3306678

>>3306673
You need help.

>> No.3306679

>>3306665

READ. THE. FUCKING. THREAD.

This is supposed to be a literature board, and there can't be more than a thousand words here. Just fucking read it.

Better still, don't fucking read it - this is just some angry man on the internet who's had the scales fall from his eyes. Go read something better. Enid Blyton would be a better use of your time than this shit.

>> No.3306682

>>3306678

Actually, I don't think so. Yesterday, or last week, when I was into this "community", maybe then I needed help.

I think this thread has been my help, so you have aided me in your tiny brainless way.

>> No.3306684

lets all quit lit for 2013 and come back and brag about all the shit we read on jan 1st 2014

>> No.3306690

>>3306684

If I wasn't addicted to this cesspit I'd've left a long fucking time ago

>> No.3306705

>>3306649
So true.

>> No.3306737

I can't stop laughing at this thread holy shit.

Is this how arts kids really think?

>> No.3306761

>>3306737
it was just some guy role playing as a upper middle class "well raised" kid. it was an amusing thread still.

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3307158

>>3306440
>BAD.
>FUCKING.
>MEAT.

If troll, I applaud. But far more likely Adult child having tantrum.

>>3306476
Go back to sucking your dad's cock, Johnny-come-lately.

>>3306499
>I shit babies like you before breakfast then I fuck your women

>>3306656
>Arguing with idiots on the internet and stopping for the occasional fap-break is no way to live your life.

The last one's quite profound actually. It makes it more funny that this guy is probably talking from personal experience here.

>> No.3307172

>>3306296
>>3306371
How is this even relevant?
The way this thread developed only goes to prove this board is absolute 101 shit.


>'reading for plot'
>omg no plot fucking post modern hipsters fuck u pretentious fag cultures have plot stop omg

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3307176

I like this guy.

>> No.3307183

>>3306653
Honestly the guy having the 'breakdown' comes across as the most level headed and direct person in the thread

Everyone else comes across just as mad, but especially threatened and trying to come across as aloof with all the 'lels' and le meme shitposts

>> No.3307215

>>3306656
great post

>> No.3307227

I am both amazed and sad to see someone who seems to be pretty intelligent to have lost his humanity in one single moment.

I can't tell whether /lit/ or OP is at fault though.

>> No.3307308

>Go read some essays.
>RAEG!

Thread was a blast, thanks everyone.

>> No.3307375

Hilarious thread.