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Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:29:29 2012 No.3275457 [DELETED]

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Is there one true philosophy, /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:32:28 2012 No.3275471 Get together and feel alrightism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:35:28 2012 No.3275476 Be excellent to each other

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:36:28 2012 No.3275486 >>3275471 This seems as good a thread as any to ask. What's the best book to read for an introduction to philosophy /lit/? From someone who has no clue but a real interest. Not an actual introduction book but the best accessible one.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:36:28 2012 No.3275485
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the only answer is to keep asking questions.

Messenger bird, should I keep writing?
Trying to find my way?
Will your response, only leave me questioning?
For then I will find my answer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:37:28 2012 No.3275490 >>3275476 Party on, Wayne

>>	Straw Dog !!QZopFNtF4N5 Sun Dec 23 22:38:28 2012 No.3275493 He did stop, OP. July 2, 1977.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:39:28 2012 No.3275497 >>3275486 Philosophy: A Very Short Introduction Then move on to the philosophers mentioned in that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:39:29 2012 No.3275500 >>3275493 He's doing it beyond the grave, molesting fertile minds with his garbage opinions.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:40:29 2012 No.3275503 File: 28 KB, 300x300, stupid.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3275486 Philosophy for Teenagers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:42:28 2012 No.3275507 >>3275503 >stupid.jpg No thanks buddy. >>3275497 I'll have a look. Thanks.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:48:28 2012 No.3275519
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>>3275503
In all honesty OP, that book was given to me by a good friend of mine who was attending a private school and that was one of his textbooks. It was actually really interesting.
A more real suggestion would be Political Thinkers. I has a great chronological introductory view on a lot of pinnacle philosophers and political thinkers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:50:28 2012 No.3275532 >>3275519 Ooh, that sounds brilliant. Thanks man.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:51:28 2012 No.3275535

No, there is no one true philosophy.

And philosophy is not a big chunk of stuff. You are interested, but interested in what exactly? "Thinking stuff"? Then go with greeks and move on and 'hyperlink' from book to book. If you have no questions, you can't into philosophy. If you have questions, you'll know what to read and you'll get better questions for the next round.

>this thread again
>being this naive

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:53:28 2012 No.3275543 >>3275535 Err. OP here. Me and the guy asking questions aren't the same fucking person.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:55:28 2012 No.3275550 File: 26 KB, 309x488, camus 001.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3275457 No one true philosophy. But the best answer is obviously Absurdism. Pic related.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:56:28 2012 No.3275552

>>3275535
I indefinably agree that there are many different fields of philosophical doctrine. However, wouldn't you agree that this more concerns people who are training in academic philosophy, rather, let's say OP here, who may not want to embark on a who academic philosophical tangent, but merely is searching for general philosophies in the more basic questions of how one is a apart of a defined reality and social construction.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 22:58:28 2012 No.3275561 >>3275550 Camus is a dreadful bore.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:03:28 2012 No.3275575 nihilism

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:05:28 2012 No.3275578 >>3275561 so is your post

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:08:28 2012 No.3275585 >>3275550 That's not a philosophy. It's just giving up. Don't be a quitter!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:14:28 2012 No.3275603 Thomism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:16:28 2012 No.3275609 >>3275585 But... Absurdism is about not giving up. Like, that's its core thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:16:28 2012 No.3275612 the ultimate philosophy is any form of life affirming philosophical pessimism in the vein of Leopardi, Nietzsche and Camus

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:19:28 2012 No.3275619 File: 14 KB, 539x473, pants.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3275612 <this is you in an airport.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:22:28 2012 No.3275627 >>3275619 That doesn't make any sense. Holy shit. /lit/ is literally becoming worse by the day.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:27:28 2012 No.3275638 >>3275612 >>3275585 Have you ever actually read any Camus, or do you simply have poor comprehension skills? >>3275609 This anon understands. It's not that complicated, y'all.

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:29:28 2012 No.3275643

>>3275627
It's a metaphor bro.
All the philosophers are antiphilosophers. So, flying on an airplane is like doing philosophy, and you're trying to gain admittance to the realm of philosophers without adhering to their (glaringly obvious) standards and conventions. If it helps, try to think of the woman's pants as the emperor's new clothes.

In other words you're trying to philosophize without actually philosophizing, which to the rest of us looks absurd and stupid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:29:28 2012 No.3275647 >>3275643 All of those philosophers**

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:42:28 2012 No.3275699

>>3275486
VSI is about the best place to start. You can also get general anthologies, Classics of Western Philosophy by Steven Cahn was suggested in a previous thread and looks decent, but if you wanted some insight into ethical thought for example there are plenty of good anthologies for ethics too. And check out the In Our Time podcasts.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:51:28 2012 No.3275738 >>3275550 Embrace it, bros

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:52:28 2012 No.3275746 >still not accepting nihilism when are you going to stop lying to yourself?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:54:28 2012 No.3275750 >>3275746 When you sufficiently argue against absurdism AND Spinozism.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:55:28 2012 No.3275756 >>3275750 is there any inherent meaning in spinozism, though?

Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:56:28 2012 No.3275758

>>3275550

Jesus Christ!
Camus was a disgrace - being an absurdist is like being a baby sitting in the corner shitting his pants because he lacks the self-discipline to find out that if he finds life meaningless and doesn't understand shit it is not because the world is horrible rather than himself being to stupid and spoiled to understand and embrace it - and most importantly, create meaning.
Spinoza is Nietszche for adults and everything he says is true.
If anybody disagree with me I would like to hear it. If you have read his work, that is.
Yes, he was a man of a single work because his balls were that big.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 23 23:57:28 2012 No.3275760 >>3275750 Absurdism is basically nihilism but with the suggestion that you must continue searching for meaning despite the confirmed conclusion there is none

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>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:01:28 2012 No.3275773 >>3275457 Stoicism.

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:01:28 2012 No.3275777

>>3275756
Eh. If the "self" is not really distinct from non-self, you can pretty easily transition into the whole "we should seek to move beyond our ego and recognize at all times our oneness with the ultimate reality" deal.
>>3275758
>it is not because the world is horrible rather than himself being to stupid and spoiled to understand and embrace it
Yeah, he actually says that the absurd IS the difference between expectations and reality. He basically just says you can't let that get you down, nor can you give up and stop trying to make things better.

I like Spinoza, though. I wouldn't go so far as to say "everything he says is true." He said lots of stuff that was never written down, and I'm sure he let a falsehood slip at some point.
>>3275760
>confirmed conclusion there is none.
Suggestion that we'll never find it, but that there's meaning in the effort anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:07:28 2012 No.3275789 >>3275777 >Suggestion that we'll never find it, but that there's meaning in the effort anyway. This is a kind of 'everything that can be invented has been invented'-kind of statement.

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:11:28 2012 No.3275796

>>3275789
No, Camus was trying to reject absolutist logic. An Absurdist is open to the possibility that he may never have "the answer," but is not saying "the answer is forever unknowable." An Absurdist merely acknowledges that it's a difficult task with a questionable rate of success, and then makes an attempt anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:15:28 2012 No.3275803 >>3275796 just sounds like a way of avoiding the truth ("maybe somehow even though it's literally pretty much impossible i'll find something to refute nihilism so i'll just try for that so i don't have to actually accept it") to me tbh

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:22:28 2012 No.3275818

>>3275803
What "truth" are you referring to, and how have you come to know it? Again, the point isn't to wholly refute the nihilistic view that all is meaningless/godless/pointless/whatever. The point is to exist in the tension of the middle ground. You can reject nihilism without automatically jumping to the opposite extreme.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 00:46:28 2012 No.3275897 >>3275803 It's not avoiding truth, it's the recognition that this kind of truth can't be found out through empirical means. At least not yet. No one knows.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 05:30:28 2012 No.3276354 >>3275758 Haven't read Spinoza, but wasn't he a moral relativist regarding ethics? And that's a bad thing, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 16:55:42 2012 No.3277590 Autism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 19:42:06 2012 No.3278150 >>3275476 Most heinous!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 19:51:12 2012 No.3278181 >>3275486 Modern Philosophy: An Introduction and Survey by Robert Scruton The Story of Philosophy by Will Durant

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 19:52:12 2012 No.3278183 /lit/ confirmed for worst board. fuck off OP.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 19:56:46 2012 No.3278199 >>3278183 I dare you to name a better board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 19:57:02 2012 No.3278203 >>3278199 /jp/

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 20:00:03 2012 No.3278211 >>3278203 If your favorite parts of 4chan are autism and shitposting, I can see that, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 20:01:03 2012 No.3278214 No. Nobody can ever know. But I guess absurdism is kind of like a statement of that, so I have to pick one I guess that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 20:02:03 2012 No.3278223 Probably some form of nihilism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 21:20:06 2012 No.3278452 >>3275457 Epicureanism with the science part updated continually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 24 21:22:06 2012 No.3278457 >>3278214 You mean Pyrrhonism.

Anonymous Mon Dec 24 21:36:58 2012 No.3278489

>>3275552
Sure, but I just mean to say asking for how to get into philosophy is like asking on how to get into music if you haven't heard anything. What do you recommend such a fellow? Beatles and Rolling Stones? Bach and Beethoven? Coltrane and Mingus? Ravi Shankar? John Cage? Nirvana?

It really depends on what he is really into it and I fear that just giving all the names would only confuse the person and may end up giving up music or philosophy for being "too complicated".

I think a starting point is needed that goes beyond what we can recommend to OP. Something sparkled his interest, even if it's just "I heard that philosophy deals with existence, and that got me thinking: what does it say?..."

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