/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.3271609]

We can all agree that this guy was a complete hack, right?

[ModernOrthodoxJew !S1cHehDGB2 No.3271610]

I once that that too, but then I learned.

[Anonymous No.3271612]

>>3271609
nope

[Anonymous No.3271614]

Give me Shakespeare and you can have the rest of literature.

[Anonymous No.3271616]

i woulde like perchance,
but cannot into olde englishe

[Anonymous No.3271622]

They said "write your true love a sonnet
And thus you shall win her esteem."
Can't think of anything that rhymes with sonnet
Fuck this, I'm joining the football team

[Anonymous No.3271786]

[Anonymous No.3271805]

He is not the be-all and end-all of the English canon, as many paint him out to be. However, he was very good, and should be celebrated.

[Anonymous No.3271809]

>>3271786
Are you actually trying to make dolan sound and look more retarded?

[Anonymous No.3271822]

shakespeare is underrated

[Anonymous No.3271824]

>>3271609
Motherfucker, you wouldn't even be looking through eye-balls if it weren't for him.

[Anonymous No.3271832]

>>3271824

Are you implying that there would have been a drastically different course in human evolution without Shakespeare? I would need to see some scientific journal citations to back up a claim like that.

[ModernOrthodoxJew !S1cHehDGB2 No.3271837]

>>3271832
It's common knowledge just like how Newton invented gravity to keep the man down!

[Anonymous No.3271843]

>>3271832
According to OED, first recorded use of the term "eyeball":

1600 - Shakespeare Midsummer Night's Dream iii. ii. 370 "Crush this hearbe into Lysanders eye; Whose liquor hath this vertuous property, To..make his eyebals roule with wonted sight."

[Anonymous No.3271849]

>>3271843
People overestimate what this means. That the "first recorded use" is in Shakespeare doesn't mean he's the one who first coined the term/phrase. He's just the first person to write it whose texts still exist.

Although it helps the process along, phrases, words, and sayings all perpetuate quite nicely without the aid of written materials.

[Anonymous No.3271879]

>>3271849
it really helps when a guy with a vocabulary 3x bigger than the next titanic genius of literature and 6x bigger than most 21st century PhD's writes them all down in the most brilliant and accessible plays and poetry ever created by anyone in human history

[Anonymous No.3271881]

nigga have you SEEN much ado about nothing

shit's jokes

[Anonymous No.3271882]

>>3271849
I'm not sure about this specific lexeme, but it's common knowledge that much of our vocabulary was created by Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.3271890]

>>3271882
>much of our vocabulary was created by Shakespeare.

No it wasn't. The other anon was probably more correct. You're an anus.

[Anonymous No.3271895]

>>3271849
I think you're underestimating the fact that people have been reading Midsummer Night's Dream for the past 413 years and generally hail it as a masterpiece. Even if he didn't coin the term, he made a big impression with it, enough so that arguably the phrase wouldn't have lasted as long as it did without his push.

Hence, you probably wouldn't be seeing with eyeballs without Shakespeare.

[Anonymous No.3271913]

>>3271890
Without Shakespeare, you wouldn't be able to buy a "prostitute" on a "lonely" evening. An "obscene" example, yes, but hopefully you won't be too "critical".

Some claim Shakespeare coined around 1,700 words, so I suppose you don't think 1,700 words is "much".
http://www.nosweatshakespeare.com/resources/shakespeare-words/

[Anonymous No.3271919]

>Shakespeare
>discernible talent

Pick one.

[Anonymous No.3271925]

>>3271919
The vomit is flowing freely now.

[Anonymous No.3271923]

>>3271895

Let's be honest here, eyeball wasn't some phrase that took a huge creative leap. If Shakespeare hadn't called it an eyeball someone else would have called it an eyeball, or an eyeorb, or an eyesphere, and it would have been all the same. The thing is shaped like an orb anyway, someone would have used something equivalent sooner or later anyway.

[Anonymous No.3271930]

>>3271913

Shakespeare definitely introduced some words into the vernacular that wouldn't have gotten there otherwise. By-and-large, though, the 1,700 words he introduced were not world shattering. Most of them would/did arise anyway, he just had the ability to document them first.

[Anonymous No.3271937]

>>3271923
It's hard to believe that Shakespeare probably didn't even know the word "pink", isn't it?

Obviously there would be some word used in its stead. For example, Shakespeare used "carnation" instead of "pink" in "All's Well That Ends Well." The point is Shakespeare did it first.

Same goes for Newton. I mean, it's kind of obvious that Newton's Laws of Motion applies to pretty much everything, anyone could have discovered it, and if Newton didn't discover it someone else probably would've. Leibniz invented calculus shortly after Newton did without any prior knowledge of Newton's discovery. Brooks Taylor soon invented Taylor Series soon after MacLaurin invented MacLaurin Series without any prior knowledge of MacLaurin's work. Why bother to remember their names? Because they did it first. Anyone could have done it, but they were the ones to make the leap.

Let me ask you this: what's your idea of a creative word invention? What would really wow you about a word and make you say, "damn, that's a creative word."

[Anonymous No.3271981]

yeah dude is purty coooool

[Anonymous No.3271995]

>>3271882
what? not accurate, some modern vocabulary terms were coined by him where they then gained popularity due to their usage in his works and their widespread popularity, but its not much of our vocabulary, quite a bit but not a majority

[Anonymous No.3272000]

>>3271890

>yo anon why you always on /lit/
>">You're an anus."

[Anonymous No.3272013]

>>3271930
>>3271930

He didn't 'introduce' them, dumbass, he was just the first to write them down and have the writing survive till the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.3272016]

>>3271937

>Leibniz invented calculus shortly after Newton
>shortly after

Oh here we go.

[Anonymous No.3272022]

>>3271981
Who is that asshole
That quote better be a joke.

[Anonymous No.3272024]

>>3272022
It's Hitchens.

[Anonymous No.3272025]

>>3271937
in all honesty though he did contribute but I agree its not like he was some god who just shot words out of his anus whenever he felt the need, anyone could have done it

[Anonymous No.3272031]

>>3272016
As Hall shows, a carefully reconstructed chronology reveals that Newton had formulated the essentials of his calculus by 1666, years before Leibniz had attained the mathematical knowledge necessary to develop his own point of view on the calculus [Ha 3, pg.15]. All the sources we have examined are in accord on this point.

http://www.math.rutgers.edu/courses/436/Honors02/newton.html

[Anonymous No.3272035]

>>3272025
I look forward to your copious lexical inventions appearing in my everyday conversations, good friend.

[Anonymous No.3272072]

>>3272022
he wrote an article about it
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2003/10/mommie_dearest.html

[Anonymous No.3272087]

>>3272025
Compare that 1,700 to any of his contemporaries, who themselves were particularly talented but not what one would call 'genius' like Shakespeare. Marlowe, for example.


Also, Shakespeare is mostly hailed for his ability to capture the human character, not just his especially large vocabulary.

If Shakespeare doesn't earn his reputation for any reason it's the fact that he didn't come up with any of his 'stories' themselves.

Then again, who reads Shakespeare for plot?

[Anonymous No.3272153]

>>3272072
>he wrote a whole book about it

FTFY

[Anonymous No.3272201]

>>3272153

>tfw when he should have called it "Sacred Cow".

[Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ No.3272212]

>>3272201

[Anonymous No.3272237]

>>3271881
bare jokes man