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Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:12:44 2012 No.3267955 [Reply] [Original]

>read a book / watch a movie and sympathize with one of the characters because he reminds you of yourself
>tfw you find out he was supposed to be pathetic and unlikeable

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:15:44 2012 No.3267963 I felt that way about Maurice Spandrell until he decided to kill himself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:16:43 2012 No.3267966 notes from underground general

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:16:43 2012 No.3267971 >the David mitchell on peepshow

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:17:43 2012 No.3267976 >Holden Caulfield >unlikable I just never understood how people on /lit/ could say this. It's just one of those things, man.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:18:43 2012 No.3267979 >>3267976 Ha Ha ha It has come to my attention that you have done something there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:19:43 2012 No.3267985 >>3267976 He's not at all unsympathetic. He certainly is unlikable.

Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:24:43 2012 No.3268006
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>You know what anon?
>Yeah?
>You know who you remind me of?
>Who?
>Nick Carraway

I've heard this three times from three different people. Once from a girl while we read the book in high school, once from a girl in college who was a lit major, and once from my sister when she read the book for school.

Now, I'm not saying Nicholas is pathetic or unlikeable... But I'd rather not be remind of how I'm a side-character in everyone else's story (Instead of the main character of my own story) because of how passive I am...

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:25:43 2012 No.3268007 Sawyer from Lost Fuck, that character is perfect in all the possible senses

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:26:43 2012 No.3268009 File: 24 KB, 293x200, 1353111023998.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Robert Cohn

Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:27:43 2012 No.3268010

>>3268006

>Honest
>The only one in his group of friends not mentally unstable or a bitch
>At the end of the novel he escapes from the East because he realizes how much of a faggot everyone there is

I fail to see the problem anon. Nick is a pretty cool guy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:27:43 2012 No.3268011 >>3268006 ...damn damn, dude on the bright side, he's apparently a really good writer, and he also doesn't die or reveal he's a gargantuan racist

>>	But is it art? !!m1xxKTDNCw0 Fri Dec 21 20:28:43 2012 No.3268013 >>3268006 they also might think you're gay

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:29:43 2012 No.3268018 >>3268007 >Plebberry Finn from Pleb: The TV Show

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:30:43 2012 No.3268020 >>3268009 I liked him at the start of the novel, then he just got worse from there

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:33:43 2012 No.3268024 >Judas I'm a practicing catholic, but even I have to admit that Judas appeals to me the most out of all the apostles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:34:43 2012 No.3268026 >>3268013 But Nick isn't gay, I'm afraid you're projecting your own desires onto the character and ignoring blatant signs pointing to the opposite

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:34:43 2012 No.3268027 >read a book / watch a movie and sympathize with one of the characters because he reminds you of yourself >he dies a horrible death

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:35:43 2012 No.3268031 What the fuck do people mean when they say characters are "supposed" to be something? Do you jerks prescribe to authorial intent or something? >2012

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:36:43 2012 No.3268034 >>3268027 >Starship Troopers >Carl

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:41:43 2012 No.3268044 Henry Fleming before his third battle. Jesus christ, Henry fuckin' Fleming before his third battle is fucking me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:41:43 2012 No.3268045 >>3268024 Not Thomas? Why Judas?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:42:43 2012 No.3268049 >>3268018 What?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:48:43 2012 No.3268071 Severian from The Book of the New Sun Gulp, I'm fucked up aren't I.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 20:56:43 2012 No.3268088 >>3268031 I'm glad you empathize more with characters than with the authors who created them because you read about authorial intent on /lit/.

But is it art? !!m1xxKTDNCw0 Fri Dec 21 21:01:43 2012 No.3268103

>>3268026

'Come to lunch some day,' he suggested, as we groaned down the elevator.
'Where?'
'Anywhere.'
'Keep your hands off the lever,' snapped the elevator boy.
'I beg your pardon,' said Mr McKee with dignity, 'I didn't know I was touching it.'
'All right,' I agreed, 'I'll be glad to.'
...I was standing beside his bed and he was sitting up between the sheets, clad in his underwear, with a great portfolio in his hands.
'Beauty and the Beast...Loneliness...Old Grocery Horse...Brook'n Bridge...'
Then I was lying half asleep in the lower level of the Pennsylvania Station, staring at the morning Tribune, and waiting for the four o'clock train.

also attracted to jordan, a very masculine woman

Anonymous Fri Dec 21 22:07:43 2012 No.3268293

Iago from shakespeare's othello.

"If the beam of our lives had not one scale of reason to poise another of sensuality, the blood and baseness of our natures would conduct us to most prepost'rous conclusions. But we have reason to cool our raging motions, our carnal stings or unbitted lusts; whereof I take this that you call love to be a sect or scion."

I agree with him, but Iago is a sociopath. Am I a sociopath? No. It can't be.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 22:16:43 2012 No.3268310 satan from paradise lost

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 22:16:43 2012 No.3268313 >>3267976 I love Holden as a character. I also never understood people not liking him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 22:18:43 2012 No.3268319 >>3268031 I guess it's more like everyone was talking about the character as a douchebag and you just realized later and understood what they meant, even though you still identify yourself with him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 22:28:43 2012 No.3268341 Team Rocket

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 22:29:43 2012 No.3268348 >>3268293 How on Earth could you possibly identify with Iago? Would you seriously have an acquaintance murder his wife just because you felt like it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 22:52:43 2012 No.3268397 Rodion Raskolnikov for me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 21 22:54:43 2012 No.3268404 >>3268397 You think you are much smarter then you are?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 01:16:43 2012 No.3268770 >>3268310 Satan's not supposed to unlikable though

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 01:19:43 2012 No.3268774 I always sided with Nabokov on people who related to the protagonist

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 01:23:43 2012 No.3268779 >>3267955 >not relating exclusively to ignatius reilly

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 01:27:43 2012 No.3268786 File: 10 KB, 477x345, 1353339461509.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Tom Ripley

>>	demiurge Sat Dec 22 01:59:43 2012 No.3268860 File: 110 KB, 500x556, 1353879961332.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3267971 i feel you bro

>>	Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Sat Dec 22 02:05:43 2012 No.3268872 File: 22 KB, 356x367, Napoleon Dynamite.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3267955 Awwww Its another one of these skills-I mean threads. Pic related, its OP.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 17:00:45 2012 No.3270455 File: 8 KB, 175x287, jordan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3268103 >also attracted to jordan, a very masculine woman

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:19:45 2012 No.3271342 >>3268786 god yes. this was my first thought too.

Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:24:45 2012 No.3271365
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> be 15
> read Notes from Underground
> identify strongly with Underground Man
> we nihilist now
> keep reading
> be 17
> re-read book
> suddenly realize the Underground Man is everything detestable in this world

tl;dr -- i was an embarrassingly edgy teen

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:39:46 2012 No.3271433 >Anon, you're just like David Thoreau >tfw transcendental scum

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:42:45 2012 No.3271443 >>3271365 wow you're so grown up now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:45:45 2012 No.3271454 >tfw rooting for Don Quixote

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:47:45 2012 No.3271457 >>3271454 I imagine almost everyone does. He's meant to be sympathetic despite his incoherence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:53:45 2012 No.3271466 >Mersault ;_;

Anonymous Sat Dec 22 21:56:45 2012 No.3271472

>Go up to a hick friend of mine
>Me: You know, anon, you remind me a lot of Llewlyn Moss
>Him: Who?
>Me: just watch the movie.
>>3268006
>Now, I'm not saying Nicholas is pathetic or unlikeable
Nick was in no way unlikeable, but he was a completely pathetic beta who was just lost in the events of the story.

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