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what are some 2deep4me novels /lit/?

something where philosophical questions are explored, or where heavy science like physics is present

maybe stuff where utopian society is explored, give me your best

>> No.3267812

>>3267808
>wants deep novels
>asks for hard sci-fi

>> No.3267813

The Bible

>> No.3267816

Do you want obscurantist depth, analytical depth, emotional depth, or what?

>> No.3267818

>>3267812
i dont just mean sci-fi, but to clarify for that genre i would want cutting edge scientific concepts or something

or maybe post-scarcity or something i dont know

>> No.3267820

>>3267816
all of the above

whatever you think is cool

>> No.3267822

>>3267812

He didn't ask for sci-fi. But if that's what you want, OP, then I'd recommend Ratner's Star, Don DeLillo.

Or Infinite Jest, but that's some of the worst sci-fi I've ever fucking read. Not recommended at all.

>> No.3267826

>>3267822
what didnt you like about infinite jest?

>> No.3267827

>>3267820
What have you read and liked before?

It's an important question because I might go and recommend something like Finnegans Wake and that wouldn't go very well.

>> No.3267836

>>3267827
well i would prefer stuff that isnt like finnegans wake

i dont want to spend 5 minutes on one page trying to dissect the multiple meanings all the words could have, i dont really like using the prose itself to be deep rather than just having a complex story or the concepts brought up or whatever

>> No.3267840

>>3267826

Almost everything. I really hated that book. I read it when it came out in the UK and there wasn't so much buzz about it and just thought "meh, DeLillo wannabe". It's like a portmanteau of Ratner's Star, Americana and Running Dog with the irritating stylistic affectations of someone like John Fowles.

>> No.3267847

White Mars by Brian Aldiss is a modern Utopia with almost no plot and a truckload of philosophical blabla about what makes or society shit and what could make for a better one. cherry on top: roger penrose has co-written the book, which makes for a shitload of hard science, mainly math and physics if I remember correctly. It bored me out of my mind but seems to be exactly what you are looking for, maybe youll enjoy it. used it costs almost nothing, so you can not really go wrong.

also: The Dispossed by LeGuin is some kind of anarchist utopia and the main protagonist is a famous physicist. the book has more plot and is more entertaining and heavy on politics but probably lacks in the science department a bit. it really isnt 2deep4you, but you should give it a try anyway.

>> No.3267856

>>3267847
yeah im going to read the dispossessed soon, i know about le guin

ill give white mars a look as well, thanks

>> No.3267861

>>3267836
This doesn't narrow your tastes down very much.

>> No.3267897

>>3267861
sorry, i dont really know what i want

just tell me what you like

>> No.3267902

Wittgenstein's Mistress

>> No.3267909

>>3267897
I like fucking men. In a vacuum, that's what I'll recommend to anyone.
Kurt Vonnegut, Graham Greene, Margaret Atwood, and J.D. Salinger are all authors I like that don't write in a very complicated manner and might be decent to people that haven't read very much.
Have you never read a book before, or just don't like anything you have read?

>> No.3267928

I'm not sure if I understand what kind of 'depth' you want and I'm not sure if you do either, so here goes. People are gonna be mad anyway.

I'd recommend Frankenstein, because it's deep at an overtly fathomable level and I think you'd enjoy it. I'm also gonna mention Charlotte Perkins Gilman's Herland and A Tale of Two Cities. Just go read a bit about them and see if they sound interesting.
Also, if you're looking for something a bit more eye-opening, I'd recommend Sven Lindqvist's History of Bombing, which I'm reading at the moment and it's great.

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3267940

>>3267909
>Kurt Vonnegut, Graham Greene, Margaret Atwood, and J.D. Salinger

>> No.3267960

Grendel is a good read if you're looking for philosophical exploration. It's a sort of marketplace of ideas with literal combat and power as the backdrop.

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3268168

infinity jousting

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3268195

>>3268168
Please tell me that IS Karl pilkington reading wittgenstein..

>> No.3268239

>>3268195
Well does 'e 'ave an 'ead like an orange?

>> No.3268327

Fahrenheit 451

>> No.3268332

>>3268168
God, I fucking hate Gervais.

>> No.3268334

>>3267960
I'm always dropping Gardner recommendations, and I don't think I've ever seen anyone else do it ;_;

Grendel is great, and is the best introduction to Gardner. But The Sunlight Dialogues is much headier, as is the mostly-forgotten Wreckage of Agathon.

>> No.3268658

>>3268332
So do so many. What's that about?

>> No.3268663

>>3268332

Him laughing at Karl is one of the finer things in life

>> No.3268675

>>3268332

I thought An Idiot Abroad was insulting. Many of the things that the guy said were acceptable - Gervais just ripped him to shit.

I don't care if it was for show. It was arrogant as hell.

>> No.3268706

>>3267808
Gravity's Rainbow.

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3268727

>>3267808
incognito - the secret lives of the brain
not fiction and not quite a text book.
very interesting. most of the way through it.
david eagleman is brilliant

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3268732

>>3267808
also SUM by david eagleman
it IS fiction but if you're the type of person that lieks to reflect on an idea after reading this is a philosophical book... not as good as incognito but most definitely a good book.

>> No.3268747

>>3267909
>>3267909
>Have you never read a book before, or just don't like anything you have read?
i used to read a lot, but now i am jaded sort of after reading too many shit authors

so a mix of both in other words

>> No.3268756

>>3268658
he's full of himself, talks over people, and isn't all that funny

>> No.3268905

Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance.