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how many TV series can you honestly say is able to capture the same complexity, themes, and characterization that is possible through literature? I mean, pic related, that realistic anti-war approach, that critique of democracy and patriotic behavior all with an interesting cast of distinct characters, a good pace, and an incredible and intricate storyline

can anyone come up with just one other?

>> No.3247585

I think Gurren Lagann was good. It was a parody of itself in many ways with a simple theme of free agency.

Its faults didn't really matter.

>> No.3247595

>>3247585
I haven't seen it, but I'll give a try, let's not make this a solely anime thread if possible

>> No.3247607

>>3247580
The Wire.
The Decalogue.
Berlin Alexanderplatz

>> No.3247611

>>3247595

It's written by a distinguished playwright apparently. So they say. Breaking Bad is good too, but it has the same problems as moat television shows - leaps of logic, suppressed previous events, absence of reasonable police force.

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>>3247580
It's one of my favorite shows,it's the "war and peace" of anime.

>> No.3247642

>>3247580
Well, there's plenty of clichés there, but I love The Wire, The Sopranos, Rome, Deadwood, et cetera. They are great shows.

>> No.3247660

>>3247585
It also reminded me of dialectics a ton.

Star Trek and TNG have pretty interesting characters and plot devices.

And though it's not quite the same thing I think there is a way in which music can be literary (I'm particularly thinking of the later Beethoven)

>> No.3247665

>how many TV series can you honestly say is able to capture the same complexity, themes, and characterization that is possible through literature?
Only one. The first few series of Kommissar Rex.

>> No.3247675

If Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu is meant to be one of the few TV shows that is equal to decent literature...you're aware this was a novel before it was an anime, right? Likewise with the Gundam series (which was inspired by the OP.)

>> No.3247676

>>3247580
The Wire, critics said it's the first true epic of the 21st century

>> No.3247695

Television series are scripted. It's literature in the same way that audio books are literature.

Someone else is presenting the image is all.

>> No.3247708

Deadwood, you good-TV hating cocksuckers.

>> No.3247769

>>3247580
Death Note

>> No.3247773

Funnily enough, all the ones I happen to like and none of the ones I don't care for.

>> No.3247776
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3247776

>mfw when people think any anime besides Akira is good/complex.

>> No.3247782

>>3247776
galactic heroes legends is much more complex than akira bro

akira isnt even complex really

>> No.3247783

>>3247769

Oh man does that show suck.

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>> No.3247788

>>3247782
Sorry but the subplot with the aristocrat general and his manservant/lover is cornball even by anime standards. People talk up the show a lot but it'd still be something i'm embarassed to watch around smart people not into anime.

>> No.3247795

what is OP's picture?

>> No.3247802

>>3247782
Then Akira was 7deep9u

>> No.3247837

Sorry to nitpick but LoGH was an OVA series, not a TV show.

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3247879

>chinese cartoons
>literature
>2012

>> No.3247881

>complexity

What does that even mean, OP/everyone using it?

What is a "theme"? How many "themes" does it take for a show to be "literary"?

Is "characterization" a mark of literariness?

>> No.3247890

>>3247881
what do any of your questions mean? I feel like you're just asking to seem intelligent without really meaning them

How many TV series are able to follow the same multi-faceted plots, and interesting and realistic characterization that are more common in works of literature then any other form of artistic medium?

>> No.3247892

>>3247776
The Akira film was a fucking mess. The only reason it seemed "confusing" or "deep" was because of all of the shit it cut out. It was a beautiful, well-animated, gorgeously-realised mess, but a mess nonetheless.

>> No.3247910

>>3247892
see
>>3247802

>> No.3247917

>>3247910
But it wasn't even deep. All of the unexplained or semi-confusing events were as such because of the fact that the necessary exposition on them was cut out when they were adapting from the original manga.

Seriously, if you believe that Akira is deep, have you ever tried watching Evangelion? I'm sure /a/ will appreciate some more "what the fuck did I just watch" threads.

>> No.3247934

>>3247917
see
>>3247910

>> No.3248126

>>3247890
None of my questions seemed particularly difficult to interpret... Which one did you have trouble with?

>How many TV series are able to follow the same multi-faceted plots

Why does a plot need to be multi-faceted? Is "plot" even a mark of literature? What's the plot of a sonnet?

>interesting and realistic characterization that are more common in works of literature then any other form of artistic medium

I don't agree with this either. Who's the most realistically portrayed character in St. Anne's Lace? Is literature merely an act of mimesis?

I don't think that shows can be literary in the sense that it's a thoroughly distinct form of art. The connections you're making seem artificial. A question of more import, I think, is why are you trying to make the connections in the first place? Why is it important to you that the shows you like be in some way identified with literature?

>> No.3248137

>>3248126
>St. Anne's Lace

Sorry, meant Queen Anne's Lace.

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3248142

>>3247776
>not GITS
>not Lain

But actually, neither or those are very deep at all

>> No.3248191

>>3247879
They are Japanese, you dolt.

>> No.3248195

>>3247580
Evangelion is deeper then LotGH

And there are a ton of post modernist themes in it

>> No.3248207

The Wire
Deadwood
North & South (BBC production)
My So-Called Life

>> No.3248208

>>3248191
That's the joke.

>> No.3248317
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3248317

Game of Thrones

>> No.3248375

Lost

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3248397

Mad Men

Louie

Futurama and Doctor Who have a surprising amount of depth, sometimes.

>> No.3248454

>>3248142
>Not understanding RVE
>Not Rei

That's where you are wrong. Also see: >>3247934

>> No.3248521

>>3247695
Audio books are accepted as 'literature' because what you're getting is words. You can derive the whole work from voice (with distortion), but we never call an audiobook a piece of literature, the designation goes to that which we derive from it.

And you can mostly accurately derive words from the dialogue in a show, but there's more to it than the 'text', and an appreciation of a TV show takes more than reading it's script (though you can read a show's script and consider that literature, it is a work completely different from the TV show).

>> No.3248638

LOGH is based on a book series, so it's /lit/ for sure
It's also pretty awesome and mature as far as anime goes, never seen another anime as mature as that, no manchildren, no idiotic teenagers, characters die by the droves

I guess I'd say Cowboy Bebop is close enough, Great jazz and fun noir plots

As far as TV Rome was amazing, also Star trek is definitely /lit/ related, so many science fiction writers contributed to it

>> No.3248665

Deadwood is incredibly well-written, and historically informative. It's a first-class example of TV.

I really liked Battlestar Galactica too - I thought it did a good job of reaching the goals of the best sci-fi: it addressed the realities of now through its medium. It became increasingly clear that the writers were pulling stuff out of their collective ass towards the end, but improvisation should also be respected.

>> No.3248973

>>3247580
That would be the greatest in terms of complex depth and narrative. But if you want something more akin to surrealist business, there are always the classics like Serial Experiments Lain and Boogiepop Phantom etc.

I had always thought that LotGH was equivalent to War and Peace in terms of ambition and execution of narrative and message.