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[Anonymous No.3243442]

Can being really educated and knowing a great deal about everything make up for the lack of intelligence?

[Anonymous No.3243444]

Man I'm sick an tired of hearing shit like "he's not intelligent, he's just educated" and "he's stupid it's just that he knows a lot", and other stupid shit like that, it's fucking retarded. One has to be intelligent in the first place to be educated. One has to be intelligent to be interested in various things and educating themselves, whereas stupid people are content with what they are and they don't want to learn.

[Anonymous No.3243460]

>>3243444
your iq is -141

[Anonymous No.3243462]

>>3243444
nope. Most people these days get an education for the sake of money, not because they enjoy it. They never read a book after finishing university.

[Anonymous No.3243509]

>>3243444
in our society intelligence is responsible for 1% and knowledge for the remaining 99%.

being intelligent isn't a requisite quality for being sucessful, being an intellectual, or understanding complex processes or ideas.

[Anonymous No.3243521]

>>3243442
No. Intelligent people have the same or a greater capacity for retaining education as people with a regular intellect, but their other functions should be improved. Education cannot teach the intuition and problem solving that comes with true intelligence.

[Anonymous No.3243526]

>>3243521
I would say being intelligent means you would be able to to more with the knowledge, and be better able to synthesise it into something new.

[Anonymous No.3243540]

IQ doesn't really matter unless it's extremely high or low

Hit the books

[Anonymous No.3243664]

>>3243442
What for? Fill the gap, you will learn how shallow you are.
Can we please stop already being so self-concious about sexual fitness? Every fucking thread degenerates into despair of not cumming into vaginas. It's so fucking tiring.

[Anonymous No.3243678]

>>3243664
>Can we please stop already being so self-concious about sexual fitness?

Absolutely not.

[Anonymous No.3243683]

>>3243521
That isn't what IQ means. IQ has nothing to do with education. IQ is relative to how quickly one is able to gather information, problem solving, and pattern recognition.

Source: Mensa member

[Anonymous No.3243700]

>>3243683
IQ increases with years of education however.

[Anonymous No.3243699]

>>3243683
>Mensa member

[Anonymous No.3243701]

>>3243683
Mensa is a club for people who want to show off their wits and can't do it by being witty.

[Anonymous No.3243703]

>>3243683
>Mensa member

Is there any point to this, or is it just a big circle-jerk? Be honest.

[Anonymous No.3243705]

>>3243701
Pretty witty.

[Anonymous No.3243731]

>>3243683
Good response. Still can't tell if you're THAT guy who likes to mention how he's in Mensa all the time

[Anonymous No.3243742]

>>3243683
>Mensa member

[Anonymous No.3243766]

>>3243701
That can be sometimes true. Some of the people I've met are just plain social retards and many of them don't read....they couldn't tell Oscar Wilde from J.K. Rowling.

>>3243703
It's a two bladed sword, I'd like to think. You have some fun parties and you get to meet very interesting people (or the opposite as stated above).

Many employers , I've been told, actually don't like seeing it on a resume.

>>3243731
No, I don't mention it often. I know the kind of people you are talking about and can understand quite readily.

>>3243742
Don't get me started....

[Anonymous No.3243771]

The difference between IQ points in terms of intelligence is much lower after 100 points. So it's safe to assume that most people on here are actually similar in intelligence.

The only reason you would have to worry is if you're a shitskin subhuman or a nigger

[Anonymous No.3243781]

>>3243742
>Naruto has more and deeper elements thus is more complex [than Faust].

[Anonymous No.3243779]

>>3243742
>his username is Genius UBER 1337 poster
Is he trolling? He sounds rather serious in his Naruto plea.

[Anonymous No.3243855]

>>3243779
Uber 7331 poster is just a forum title.

Notice the minus 77 reputation.

[Anonymous No.3243900]

>>3243771
Neil deGrasse Tyson is smart though!


...or he's just educated!

[Anonymous No.3243940]

It's all a goddamn process.

Stop treating yourself like a videogame character with intelligence points and leveling up.

Intelligence is potential, it's an abstract concept, not measurable, it's something you say about people who do intelligent things. It's shows itself with the context, with attitudes. You don't need to worry about how intelligent you are or look, you need to worry about doing your thing right and thinking on unusual and creative solutions for the things you have to face. Intelligence is what people will point out from you thinking those solutions.

Otherwise, you put the carriage in front of the horses, talking about the word intelligence, but not intelligence itself, boosting yourself up about thing that might perhaps be indicators of how intelligent you are which would then indicate how valuable you are for the situations of life. Can you see how derivative and egocentric that is? Nothing is being said.

And I also see education being mentioned as if you were an empty bucket and school and books were there to fill this up. Knowledge is also a process, a matter of meaningful relationships between what you see, hear, experience. It doesn't add up as in a pile of things. There is a fog between being educated and being indoctrinated, between learning and memorizing.

"How many books do I have to read to compensate my 10 IQ points deficit?". This is insane.

It's not a competition, don't treat this with "I'm smarter than you are" egoistic mentality.

dyer?

[Anonymous No.3243981]

>>3243940
A good post anon, well said. Two things though.

>Intelligence can't be measured

But the general intelligence measure predicts your ability to excel in math, verbal aptitude, pattern recognition, memory etc. It also predicts your grades and job performance. It's not the whole of intelligence but it's useful in getting a sense of how well you may perform at 'smart stuff'. I agree you needn't worry about something that you can't change though.

>Education is not a list of things you need to know

But in some cases it can be. If you want to work as a mathematician studying topology, you better know algebra. You better do those abstract algebra and topology classes in college. You should hope to be up to date about the recent important works in your field.

Small things aside, your post captured important points in the discussion

[Anonymous No.3243992]

>>3243940
liked :)

[Anonymous No.3243998]

>>3243742

[Anonymous No.3244028]

>implying a lack of intelligence needs to be "made up for"

Intelligence means shit. What that matters is KNOWLEDGE. You can be a complete retard, but as long as you know how to connect copperwires then you can get a job as an electrican.

[Anonymous No.3244041]

>>3243981
What I think on the matter of intelligence being measured is that, apart from how silly IQ tests are, so even just considering the testing of the different kinds of intelligence (which are not actually separated, but comprehend a whole), there is stil given too much importance to something that is just crude.

The matters we face today on looking for a job and advancing in the educational system demand this testing all the time. The guy hiring you needs indicators on how good you can be at what he needs, because he can't afford to try out everyone and so it's always a bet. A good curriculum might say something about how competent you are. In the same way, intelligence tested (which is a measure of how intelligent you were while doing the test) is taken as an indicator of how intelligent you ought to be in other situations. Your opinion counts more because you did well on the test before. But even though we are all well aware that it is merely a prediction, how reliable is it? And isn't intelligence specially needed when an unexpected problem arise? That's why I think that even when a fraction of intelligence is measured in retrospect, it's slippery as a prediction, for as you change the context, you change how intelligence is used.

I understand with what you mean on education. It's just that I don't think the mathematician "collected" algebra, but incorporated it to be an integral part of his thinking. It's not steady, he will never be done with simple algebra.

[Anonymous No.3244044]

You can have a high IQ and still not be good at the actual application of mathematics in calculus, quantum physics, etc. To be good at an IQ test is to be good at answering a bunch of mundate logic questions with no real world application for the most part.

"Great anon! You recognized that that box should have been filled in with shaded lines instead of polka-dots. You can now be hired to create logical architecture art patterns!"

[Anonymous No.3244045]

>>3244044
*mundane

[Anonymous No.3244046]

>>3244041 here

What I meant with "never be done with simple algebra" is that he is never just finished with it. He keeps using it to study topology, he keeps accessing it and lighting his head up with it. Otherwise, if it is of no use to the man, he may either forget or disregard algebra entirely.

It's not content that filled his head, but a process that was and is constantly provoked.

[Anonymous No.3244049]

>>3244044
>Well, there is this one street near me and there are 8 buildings in a row. Two of the buildings have giant circular holes in then, three of the buildings have square wholes in them, and the other three have triangular holes in it---but two of these triangular holes have actually been filled by birds nests. How should the 9th building be constructed so the hobos living nearby won't turn psychotic and go on a killing spree?

-Real world application of an IQ test question

[Anonymous No.3244050]

>>3244044
>Well, there is this one street near me and there are 8 buildings in a row. Two of the buildings have giant circular holes in then, three of the buildings have square holes in them, and the other three have triangular holes in it---but two of these triangular holes have actually been filled by birds nests. How should the 9th building be constructed so the hobos living nearby won't turn psychotic and go on a killing spree?

[Anonymous No.3244051]

>>3244050
>How should the 9th building be constructed so the MENSA members living nearby won't turn psychotic and go on a killing spree?

Fixed

[Anonymous No.3244083]

>>3244050
Make a park instead.

Hobos are now happy. Mensa members accuse me of being inconsistent and I'm excomungated.

[Anonymous No.3244123]

>>3243442

Education can cover weaknesses, yes. I'm not a particularly quick thinker but if I'm abreast of a subject than I can respond to a query that much faster. Consider it pre-caching and/or pre-processing. Someone who is more naturally gifted won't need that because they possess innate tools that allow them to quickly assess and respond to a wide variety of queries.

[Anonymous No.3244346]

>>3244123

meth head detected.

SPEED, SPEED, SPEED, EVERYTHING BETTER IS ALL ABOUT SPEED.

[Anonymous No.3244528]

>tfw weed makes you think quicker
I feel as if I'm more intelligent when I smoke weed.

[Anonymous No.3244605]

>>3244346
>You will never go back in time and introduce crystal meth to the Italian Fascist movement

Just think of what could have been

[Anonymous No.3244623]

>>3244605
Didn't they have meth already? At leasy the Nazi's were cranked the fuck out. That's how you Blitzkrieg.