>tfw you watch lectures from schools like yale and listen to the comments made by students which leaves you wondering how they got into schools like yale

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Anonymous Fri Dec 7 23:57:58 2012 No.3222562 [Reply] [Original]

>tfw you watch lectures from schools like yale and listen to the comments made by students which leaves you wondering how they got into schools like yale

>>	demiurge Fri Dec 7 23:59:58 2012 No.3222564 their parents went there

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 00:09:57 2012 No.3222572 jews, nepotism, non-white affirmative action, etc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 00:19:57 2012 No.3222582 Good schools but try not to put them on such a high pedestal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 00:23:57 2012 No.3222588 You didn't apply yourself in the right way at the right time, so you will be forever plebeian.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 07:37:57 2012 No.3223235 > Go to best highschool in Finland > People have problems grasping on basic historical and literal conventions and events Everyone was good in maths though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 19:31:57 2012 No.3224534 >>3222572 > nepotism, non-white affirmative action, etc anon is a white guy who went to a shitty school

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 19:42:57 2012 No.3224564 Who knows.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 19:51:57 2012 No.3224592
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>>3222562
Look up gut classes OP. These fuckers intentionally take piss easy courses and blow off the greatest educational opportunity they will ever see, one I would kill to be a part of. I hate each and every one of those fucks.

I just want them to know. I got a C- in human history, so what? I aced the tests and never turned in a bit of homework. Why bother if I already knew the material? While you were making flashcards and panicking over the next exam I was reading Dostoevsky. Of course, I get punished for it, because going against the puritanical law code of our academic factories ensures I get sent to a shit tier school while the students who can't even read get sent to Yale.

I am so fucking mad, every time I think about shit like this I want to go read Jude the Obscure again and bawl my eyes out.

Hold me, /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 19:56:57 2012 No.3224607 >>3224592 shit sucks but school isn't for learning. You should know that by now.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:00:57 2012 No.3224616

>>3224592
>Spend loads of time blowing off work to follow intellectual pursuits
>Barely graduate highschool, spend all of free time reading and watching open courseware/khanacademy
>Go to community college, run out of other people's money, become NEET
>Friends at expensive pseudo-ivy leagues like Miami and NYU don't even understand shit like moon phases
>They think that a college education is little more than vocational school for LOL THAT DOSH
>Parents kicking me out soon, no gf, no money, doomed to be a failure

WE JUDE NOW

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:03:57 2012 No.3224631
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>>3224592
Oh shit, I forgot how great that book is!

>Eternally stuck in friendzone
>Self-educated scholar
>Can't get into the good schools
>Hates plebians

Fucking love that book. It's bitches ruin everything, the novel. If you can't relate to Jude you don't belong on /lit/.

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Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:22:57 2012 No.3224722

>>3224592
>>3224607
>>3224616

Faggots, all three of you.

Too special to play the game with the rest of us? Fuck you.

Enjoy being unhappy at schools you don't like.

YOU had the greatest educational opportunity you will ever see. But, instead of just having a little fortitude and doing a negligible bit of admittedly dull coursework you read shit you could have read after you'd graduated.

You have some nerve complaining when you just fucked up plain and simple. Your superiority complexes are disgusting for such abhorrent failures.

pleb/10

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:29:57 2012 No.3224753
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>>3224722
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently.'

Oh, sorry, you didn't get to read any Nietzsche while you wasted away the best years of your life doing math equations and monotonous worksheets?

Honestly, do you think choosing not to spend your free time doing useless school work makes you inferior? Because, by your standard, Faulkner is the greatest pleb imaginable -- bitch dropped out of highschool and never even got his GED. I guess he was just too much of a special snowflake, huh?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:37:57 2012 No.3224802

>>3224592
>I get sent to a shit tier school
That's not how it works. Your essay probably sucked shit and you had no extracurricular activities.

>"buh buh im smurt"

Academia is a game and if you weren't smart enough to catch onto that, they'll happily pass you on by. They're looking for intelligence AND application.

You shouldn't even be that mad, Ivy Leagues are fantastic for prestige and guest speakers but you could get the same education at schools with lower standards (they're not even that high -- one C- doesn't ruin you; likely the fact that your school tracked grades with '-' and '+' was what precluded you.)

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:40:58 2012 No.3224814

>>3224753

I'm not talking about Faulkner, you twit. I'm talking about you.

If you're as smart as you must think you are then you should know what a strawman is.

You are mad at people who worked hard enough to access a decent education, and think that you deserve it more than they do.

This is wrong, you're a faggot.

Every one of the lucky ladies and gentleman at Yale and Harvard proved that they deserved their place there more than you the day they committed to doing well at school.

I'm not saying that there aren't intelligent people who deserve a place in these institutions but were obstructed by social or financial barriers.

I'm just saying that people like you, who had every opportunity, wasted it, and then proceeded to cry about it, are faggots.

Plain and simple.
Nice entitlement bro.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:42:57 2012 No.3224822 >>3224534 most likely, but he's also correct.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:46:57 2012 No.3224846 >>3224822 Most colleges have that nepotistic streak, yeah? If you've got alumni in the family, they tend to favor you over those that don't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:48:57 2012 No.3224856 >>3224814 So having parents who went to yale and gave generous donations doesn't get you into yale?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:50:57 2012 No.3224865

>>3224814
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:50:57 2012 No.3224869
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>tfw you were good enough to get accepted to Ivy league schools but you weren't good enough to get full scholarships to any of them, and your family is literally poor as fuck

ch-ch-check your privilege, OP

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:52:57 2012 No.3224872

>>3224856
It does not guarantee it unless you're like a president's son or something. You still have to have the base minimum requirements to get into Yale, it only helps you a bit. (Note however, the requirements are pretty low. 3.9ish GPA? 1700~ SAT? Fuck's sake.)

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:52:57 2012 No.3224880

>>3224856

He said here:

>I'm not saying that there aren't intelligent people who deserve a place in these institutions but were obstructed by social or financial barriers.
>I'm just saying that people like you, who had every opportunity, wasted it, and then proceeded to cry about it, are faggots.

The issue being discussed is "playing the game."

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:57:57 2012 No.3224895

>>3224869
middle class/rich people are the fucking worst. They breeze through highschool/undergrad without having to work or deal with fucked up families and have all the free time in the world to do whatever the fuck they want. Those of them with the barest modicum of intelligence get into a nice school and on a good track, and the others make shitty angsty rants about "playing the game" while simultaneously assuming that because they had the time to read books and jerk around instead of working a part time job all through highschool they are someone smart or more deserving.

get fucked OP

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:57:57 2012 No.3224897

>>3224592
Man, I know your feels, but like it or not you have to let yourself get fucked over by the school system at some point. It kills me to be at university and have to do all the "educational" minutia to be certified as a "good student," but it's simply the only way to have enough time to be able to continue your intellectualism after college. And let's be realistic here, you can get good grades and pursue your independent academic interests, and the fact of the matter is that if you want to be an A student who is also incredibly knowledgeable in his area of study, then it is very likely you will have to sacrifice most social contact. Most people are not willing to do this--that's fine--but just know that the ability to be both knowledgeable and be recognized as knowledgeable within the academic setting is within YOUR power. Yes, you can do well in your classes and read Dostoevsky, but not doing one while citing the other as the obstacle against it is both false and unrealistic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:57:57 2012 No.3224898 Books or GTFO.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 20:58:57 2012 No.3224902

>>3224897
It despairs me to think that society doesn't really care about knowledge or intellectual ability unless it's been quantified with a grade or justified within an economic structure, but that's simply something I cannot change at this moment, and something that if I rebel against will leave me destitute or living with my parents. It's not easy to be a student of an area that many will carelessly deem "useless" but by taking on this study with an expectation to continue it throughout your life, you take on a responsibility that the vast majority of students run from at first chance. There's at least a small consolation of nobility in our struggle to learn at the defiance of practicality and economy, but the struggle itself is at times soul-destroyingly difficult. Make your choice, but just remember that your future well-being depends on society's acceptance of your choices. Choose intellectualism, but be forewarned that you MUST have a practical concern in being a good enough student to be recognized as such and be judged as "useful." Mediocrity here is not an option unless you want debt and poverty. As a humanities student, you simply cannot afford the chance that you are seen as anything less than fantastic. Good luck.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:00:57 2012 No.3224913

>>3224814

This faggot doesn't even understand how a syllogism works. If you're saying that everyone who doesn't play the game is retarded and should get fucked, by your logic Faulkner is a faggot and should get fucked. It's not a strawman if you included him in your gross generalization;

Play the game, see where it gets you.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:01:57 2012 No.3224916

>>3224814
>people who worked hard enough to access a decent education

It's my fault for being lazy in kindergarten. If I'd studied more I could have gone to that wasn't focused on keeping trailer trash out of prison. I could have colored in worksheets but I had to do arithmetic some 2deep4u emo faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:04:57 2012 No.3224923 itt: entitlement If you're as smart and deserving as you think, you would make the institutions recognize you for it

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:06:57 2012 No.3224932

>>3224895
1st world poor people are the fucking worst. They breeze through daily survival without having to work or deal with finding clean water and have all the free time in the world to enjoy not worrying about getting raped. Those of them with the barest modicum of humility realize how good they have it , and the others make shitty angsty rants about "WAHHHH MY LIFE IS SOOOOO HARRRRRDDDD" while simultaneously assuming that because they had to OH NO WORK A PART TIME JOB instead of crawling through the mud to find worms to eat and scratching their goiters all through highschool they are someone who had a difficult life and is worthy of pity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:06:57 2012 No.3224933 >>3224923 and they will say to you "you may be smart and deserving, but you are white so you are not allowed in"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:07:57 2012 No.3224934 >>3224923 ITT people who think education is about learning and not becoming. >this is what the bourgeois actually believe

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:07:57 2012 No.3224935

>>3224916
All you had to do was keep up a charade for 4 years, your high school career.

You couldn't get As in (28? Less?) easy classes and do some club/charity work. That was literally all you had to do. It wasn't hard, you just chose not to do it. That's OK, but they chose not to go for you. This is how the world works.

What school you go to is starting to matter very little, anyways, as a lot of recordings of Yale and Harvard classes are starting to go online. If you're in it for learning, you've got enough material to make you happy.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:07:57 2012 No.3224939
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I downloaded a whole university course, well, pirated, and i almost couldn't stand listening to the students who were asked to stand up and speak.

And i believe this was at oxford. Every single response pained me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:09:57 2012 No.3224947 >>3224934 are you really this bored >>3224894 >>3224901

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:09:57 2012 No.3224948 >>3224935 >anyways Well, fuck me, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:10:57 2012 No.3224954 >>3224932 I know you're mad, but you should really re-evaluate your own position. I worked 8-6 every weekend I was in highschool and still got accepted to yale/harvard.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:11:57 2012 No.3224957

>>3224935
>all you have to do is submit to authority and parrot their ideas for 13, 17, maybe 19 of the more neurologically formative years of your life and you get the freedom to do whatever you want when they let you out so long as it pleases ze caitalists enough that they give you money to pay back your huge debts.

Totally just a minor hurdle and not any systematic form of social control.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:12:58 2012 No.3224961

>>3224935
SAT Scores: 800 Reading, 780 Writing, 580 math (lol)
AP Scores: 5 AP Bio, 5 AP Stats, 5 AP English, 5 AP Euro, 5 AP US History, 5 AP Macro, 5 AP Micro, (plus whatever I get at the end of this year, likely a 5 in AP Art History, Chemistry, Human Geography, Psychology, and World History)
GPA: 2.9
Race: Caucasian
Class Rank: Bottom 25%

Just got my rejection letters from Columbia/NYU this week. Die in a storm of dicks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:12:58 2012 No.3224963 >>3224947 >are you really this bored Often, why? Thx for the links though?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:12:58 2012 No.3224964
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>>3224954
I think you should perhaps understand that the chances of you having a good home life, one that allows the accommodation of study and homework are decreased the lower your families income.

My parents were quite poor and abusive and i had a genuinely abysmal upbringing and i have to attribute my poor marks in a few classes just to depression. And i worked every weekend and after school.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:12:58 2012 No.3224965 >>3222562 Give me an example of the types of comments you are referring to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:13:58 2012 No.3224967 >>3224932 >scratching their goiters

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:13:58 2012 No.3224969 >>3224965 This is how first year philosophy students of Oxford actually think.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:14:57 2012 No.3224970

>>3224957
School itself is a systemic form of civic control. It is meant to make you a good citizen and have the very basic skills you need to go about your life. What difference does it make you submit slightly more?

(wtf is social control, anyway? all control is inherently social)

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:15:57 2012 No.3224978

>>3224964
>I think you should perhaps understand that the chances of you having a good home life, one that allows the accommodation of study and homework are decreased the lower your families income.
That was the exact point I made originally a few posts ago, gangster

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:17:57 2012 No.3224988 >>3224978 You made every point in this thread, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:17:57 2012 No.3224990 >>3224988 ??

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:18:57 2012 No.3224992
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>>3224970
>School itself is a systemic form of civic control
Run by whom?
>It is meant to make you a good citizen
As defined by whom?
>basic skills you need to go about your life
Skills for what kind of life?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:18:57 2012 No.3224993

>>3224961
I know you're proud of them, but those aren't good credentials and you seem to attribute your failure to get in to your race. To put it bluntly, it's your GPA.

They're looking at your GPA because it indicates how dedicated you are and how you won't waffle out of the college 2 or 3 years in. The SAT scores are fairly nice but not very hard to get. Likewise for the AP scores.

I will still take your dick storm offer up if it's still available.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:18:57 2012 No.3224995 >>3224988 How the fuck am i to know which posts are yours and not?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:18:57 2012 No.3224996 >>3224990 He's suggesting that you're the only faggot who's even defending sucking the system's dick.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:20:57 2012 No.3224999

>>3224961
Your gpa is shit and therefore so was your class rank. You realize top tier schools pretty much only accept people within the top 10% of their class? Plus to even have an admission council bat an eye at your application you're going to need amazing extracurriculars, and no, National Honors Society doesn't cut it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:20:57 2012 No.3225000 >>3224996 How am i? I'm pointing out that the system is particularly unfair to the lower classes. Fucking sperg.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:20:57 2012 No.3225003 >>3224970 What are reproduction of labor power and reproduction of conditions of production Alex?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:21:57 2012 No.3225005

>>3224993
Oh, I know it's my GPA -- that's what pisses me off. If it were a 3.6 I could go anywhere I wanted. Instead, I chose to learn about what I wanted to learn about, and got fucked. The AP's aren't even close to difficult by our standards, but getting those scores objectively proves that I'm smarter than 99% of the population, and yet because I'm not dedicated to their monotony, I can't go to a good school.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:22:57 2012 No.3225007 >>3224961 Fuck the US have such a complicated method of doing this stuff: I have Adv.H(C) H(AAAAABBB) Int.2(AAAAAAAA) That's it, the fuck is that?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:23:57 2012 No.3225013

>>3224961
don't wory bro bang out a shitty undergrad degree at a state school then do your masters at columbia or nyu since those are just "pay us 200 gees and we give u this peice of paper" basically anyone with a big wallet gets into the grad programs there

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:24:57 2012 No.3225019 >>3225005 >not dedicated to their monotony, I can't go to a good school. I don't think you understand what a "good school" is sir.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:26:58 2012 No.3225028

>>3224996
>>3225000
I'm the person who originally made the "middle class people suck" post. All I'm saying is that, as someone who grew up below the poverty line and with a lot of domestic chaos, the people in this thread complaining about not getting into a good college because they were too busy reading Dostoyevsky to get good grades (or some shit) are acting like privilege, spoiled cunts. If they got accepted to the good school, their families could probably afford to send them there, all expenses paid. Well I DID get accepted to ivy league schools but I was too poor to attend without a full scholarship. And that makes me MAD. So these faggots better check their privilege, is all I'm saying

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:26:58 2012 No.3225029 probably because being intelligent is not a requirement for getting into Yale

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:27:58 2012 No.3225032 >>3225007 ...Are you a kilt-wearing alcoholic?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:27:58 2012 No.3225033

>>3225007
For Europoors: He got amazing test scores (proving he knows his shit) but a shit GPA (proving that he doesn't give a fuck and won't do what they tell him), and he's mad because he can't get into a good school.

Seriously, is anyone surprised at this? Don't we all know that the education system is designed to engender conformity and make you find comfort in monotony, in so that we will be prepared for the harsh realities of being an economically productive/patriotic member of society?

Have any of you faggots even LOOKED at an American History textbook?

>ANDREW JACKSON HAD A HUGE PENIS USA IT'S NOT LIKE HE KILLED THOUSANDS OF INJUNS OR ANYTHING
>NO WE HAVE AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE BECAUSE IT'S PATRIOTIC, IT'S NOT LIKE OUR FOUNDING FATHERS HAD A DESPOTIC FEAR OF THE MASSES
>LOL TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION AMIRITE
>REAGAN WAS A PRETTY COOL GUY EH THE LAFFER CURVE AND DOESN'T AFRAID OF ANYTHING

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:28:57 2012 No.3225043 >>3225032 ...maybe

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:30:57 2012 No.3225048
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>>3225028
No, i was complaining, i suggest you work on your reading comprehension, about the inequality that comes with a lower income family respective to personal dispositions. I couldn't complete work because i was too busy being abused and made perform arbitrary tasks for my parents.

I got into an ok university out of luck and was in the top 2% of my class. And i basically failed highshool. I'm obviously an outlier in this instance, but the fact remains that people in lower income families are subject to more stress and therefore its not an equal opportunity in education.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:30:57 2012 No.3225049 File: 15 KB, 257x200, 49238420842.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225033 >EH THE LAFFER CURVE AND DOESN'T AFRAID OF ANYTHING

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:30:58 2012 No.3225047 >>3225033 I thought your GPA was taken from your test scores, though. So when you do a standardised test throughout the school year, those scores count towards your overall impression at the end? That'd have completely changed my approach to school.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:31:57 2012 No.3225054

>>3224961
Are you bragging about your LSAT scores or lamenting them? Because your total isn't that good. Your GPA sucks too, as I'm sure you know.

News flash brats, work ethic trumps talent in this world. If you're smart but can't pull your shit together enough to get mostly As in high school then fuck, you don't belong in a top college. Remember that person who was insanely smart and talented but had no work ethic? Neither do I, since people like that never actually accomplish anything. Top schools are looking for people with resumes that paint them as capable of leaving a mark. Thus the people who get into top schools have both talent and are hard workers to a degree. In a society with every stoner being "smart" and "talented" it's the work ethic that will actually take you places.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:31:57 2012 No.3225055

>>3225043
I am also one. Did you do, like, five Highers in Fifth year and then three and an Advanced in sixth year? I'm going to imagine that you're from one of those schools that have switched over entirely to Int. 2's, since my grades from fourth year are a horrible mishmash of Standard Grades and Int. 2's.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:31:57 2012 No.3225056

>>3225033
>Have any of you faggots even LOOKED at an American History textbook?

I like the fact that you think every text book on America is terrible, which means you never took APUSH. Standard level everything in America is fucking awful, same in Germany (Realschule, anyone?) and other countries.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:31:58 2012 No.3225059 >>3225028 bullshit faggot you could have took out loans and with an ivy degree easily pay them back...so spare the fake ass "i coulda been ivy league but i couldnt afford it" save it for your uneducated friends who don't know how college works

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:34:57 2012 No.3225071

>>3225047
In MURRICA we have separate out-of-class tests that essentially function as entrance exams, and thus have no impact on GPA. They were originally designed to be a standardized academic score because GPA is so unreliable (as it varies from school to school). Your traditionally preppy Yale kid who doesn't know shit got a 4.3 GPA from academic grindan' and paid $400 a session (not even an exaggeration, some even pay more) to learn how to fake being intelligent so he/she could do well on those exams (being the AP's and the SAT's).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:34:57 2012 No.3225075 >>3225055 Yeah pretty much exactly what I did. I have way too many high school qualifications now, the course I'm set to go into requires AABBB minimum. Are you saying like half your subjects were standard graded and half were int.2's? that's horrible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:35:57 2012 No.3225081 >>3225059 Depends on what you're studying. English+Anthropology double major isn't paying back loans anytime soon. There's always bankruptcy as an option I suppose.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:35:57 2012 No.3225082 >>3225071 Does every university require you to take the AP and SAT?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:35:57 2012 No.3225086

>>3225059
Do you think that when they give you an Ivy League degree they toss in a free money printer.

You know, you have to make payment on some of those loans as you're in school, as well.

Taking out shitloads of loans to get a degree and expecting to pay them back in a reasonable time period is a bad idea.

You don't really know how college or loans work, do you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:36:57 2012 No.3225089 >>3225059 I'm not from America, and my federal student loan program won't provide loans for international studies. Besides I had a full scholarship to a non-ivy league but respectable local school. Stay upset.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:36:57 2012 No.3225091 >>3225054 >Remember that person who was insanely smart and talented but had no work ethic? Who is Bill Gates, William Faulkner, H.G. Wells, Richard Branson , etc etc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:37:57 2012 No.3225093 >>3225091 >implying you should use these people as models

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:37:57 2012 No.3225096 >>3225056 Funny I actually did take APUSH. We used American Paegent as our primary textbook but our teach was a marxist/pinko/fag and loved social history so he ripped it to shreds, shit was amazing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:38:57 2012 No.3225097 File: 58 KB, 601x448, 1354700241522.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225091 The fact that the smartest people in the world treated school as the pathetic time sink that it is should tell you all you need to know about the education system.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:38:57 2012 No.3225099

>>3225091
These people are huge fucking outliers. And they're also really, really fucking smart. Excuse the bluntness, but you're not really, really fucking smart. You're slightly above average, intelligence wise. That is ok. But that does not mean that you get to put yourself next to Gates, Faulkner, and Wells and expect money to fall into your hands.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:38:57 2012 No.3225100 >>3225075 I think only one of them was an Int. 2, and that was Info Systems, but I'm not sure. The rest were Standard Grades. Now they're bringing in these National 4s and 5s and that is going to confuse the fuck out of the educational system.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:38:57 2012 No.3225101 >>3225033 This guy. This guy right here. I just had a nice date with a well educated woman who ran a uni poor-kids-outreach-program for several years and she'll tell you the same fucking thing. It's not like it's a big secret.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:39:57 2012 No.3225102

>>3225086
still trying to lie about it? like i said save it for your retard friends who never finished high school

pretty much every student loan programs deffer payment until you graduate, anyone who has attended college knows this...

if you cna't payback your student loans with a ivy degree then you must only be good at "cannot fail" classes like art or poetry or something. people with useful degrees from ivies getting starting salaries in the low 6 figures unless you studied something simple and useless like modern dance or whatever

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:39:57 2012 No.3225105

>>3225082
AP is for college credit and is non essential, every school requires you to take the SAT or it's equivalent, the ACT. Just asked my roomie the most he heard someone pay for SAT tutoring, he said one of his friend's parents payed over 10k for four years of intensive test prep. That shit cray.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:40:57 2012 No.3225107 >>3225054 This is what business students and engineers from the upper-middle-class actually believe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:40:57 2012 No.3225110 >>3225091 wtf are you talking about? none of those dudes are smart they're basically all work ethic, nothing gates or branson did requires intelligence just a workaholic mentality and the ability to take risks

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:42:57 2012 No.3225114

>>3225091
>implying they had no work ethic

If you can write The Sound & the Fury then you'll be good to go. But you can't just apply to college writing, "Yeah, I got a lot of Cs, so what? I didn't do any of my homework cause I was too busy reading ~Dostoyevsky~. *flexes*

P.S: I will do coursework at your school and not fail out because you're really great and stuff."

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:42:57 2012 No.3225117

>>3225105
The wealth gap is not really a hidden thing, it's extremely fucking clear.

But, is there much you can really do about it? the test is so complex and it has to be at least consistent between years so you can't change things enough that it rocks the boat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:43:57 2012 No.3225119 >>3225091 >Pointing to people who started their own businesses at young ages and worked to grow them and people who wrote novels by the dozens and short stories by the hundreds as having no work ethic >Retarded Pick both.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:43:57 2012 No.3225122

>>3225110
None of them (excepting Gates) made it past high school, which fits in with the larger theme in this thread of (in case you missed it) the education system being a giant clusterfuck and a waste of time.

Keep sucking that dick, educational assimilationists.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:44:57 2012 No.3225124

>>3225107
sorry dude but your mom thinking you're smart doesn't mean dick to the admissions department at columbia.

also, top tier schools are filled with people smarter than you who work harder than you.

everyone thinks they're a little genius until they get to new york and see how the 1% rolls, they are richer, smarter, harderworking and, yes. even better looking than you. deal with it... or not, they don't give a shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:45:57 2012 No.3225126 >>3225122 Drop out of high school and be sure to send us a postcard from your private island

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:45:57 2012 No.3225127 >>3225117 >SAT or ACT >Complex Were you in all remedial classes or am I just misunderstanding you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:45:57 2012 No.3225129 >>3225114 the thing this nerd doesn't get is...there are kids at Yale who got As in every class AND read Dostoyevsky's complete works at the same time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:46:57 2012 No.3225136 >>3225127 From a construction standpoint

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:46:57 2012 No.3225137 File: 87 KB, 288x420, stirner22.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >actually still trying to be something in this world instead of letting things run their course in an effortless and sagely manner

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:46:57 2012 No.3225138 >>3225137 >giving up when you still have potential

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:46:57 2012 No.3225140 >>3225122 yeah bro and axl rose didn't go to college either! you could be the next rock star man! it could be YOU!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:46:58 2012 No.3225134 >>3225122 oh right how how about the founders of google with phds from Stanford?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:47:57 2012 No.3225142 >>3225127 It's unfair that stupid kids with slave-tier work ethic can "buy" intelligence and make themselves look good with artificially high test scores and smoke and mirrors on their applications.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:48:57 2012 No.3225148 >>3225124 troll harder

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:48:57 2012 No.3225149 >>3225142 well if they're using smoke and mirrors and slaving away to get ahead then surely a boy genius like you should be able to surpass them all with ease right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:49:57 2012 No.3225151 I thought that /lit/ was full of college students, not community college clowns...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:49:57 2012 No.3225152 >>3225148 > can't handle the truth yeah bro it's all a troll, all the billionares in nyc are fictional, your hicktown is actually the pinnacle of the world!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:49:57 2012 No.3225153 >>3225122 The point you were responding to was on intelligence vs. hard work, not the education system and its worth. Your inability to read and analyze arguments indicates that in addition to not working hard you probably aren't very smart either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:49:57 2012 No.3225154 >>3225149 The kid in question did -- he got crazy high test scores which proves he's not a retard but a low gpa, proving that he's a lazy fuck. I don't know how to feel about that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:49:57 2012 No.3225155 >>3225142 I like the fact that you think people with higher scores on the SAT than you are all dummies with money. Can you not accept the fact that there are people that are going to be better than you at things? It is OK.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:49:57 2012 No.3225159 >>3225149 Poorfags don't have ten grand to hire an expert to guide them through it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:50:57 2012 No.3225163 >>3225155 Pssst, hey buddy! See: >>3224961

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:51:57 2012 No.3225165 File: 28 KB, 633x758, feel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Go to small, cheap, rather mediocre in-state university >Mfw students and professors have asked me what I'm doing at a place like this Dying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:51:57 2012 No.3225166 >>3225082 Not every school. At my school sending your SAT is optional. It's still a rather selective/respected college, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:52:57 2012 No.3225169 >>3225154 Correction: he got moderately high test scores, much better than most but top colleges see scores much better every day. Side question: do colleges count the writing score the same as the other two now, or is it still worth slightly less?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:52:57 2012 No.3225173
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>tfw you watch lectures from schools like yale to supplement the mediocre courses your school offers
>tfw you want to rip your hair out over how your quality of education and access to wonderful passionate professors is dictated by your wealth and status, while people you know are waltzing through top tier and ivy league institutions like it's nothing because their parents went there and they're rich as fuck and have amazing connections
>tfw all of your best profs that you're struggling to form rapports with are rich privileged cocksuckers from extremely wealthy families
>tfw every one of your academic heroes and mentors is highly a) dedicated b) talented c) lucky as shit for having a millionaire father
>tfw you wonder what the fuck that means for you when the best you can do is a) & b)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:53:57 2012 No.3225176 >>3225165 so then do your phd at stanford, get a bunch of venture capital for your startup, sell your company to apple five years later and be rich then again you probably don't study something useful like computer science...see you at starbucks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:53:57 2012 No.3225177 >>3225165 Befriend professors and try your best to transfer somewhere better. Don't let it drag you down.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:54:58 2012 No.3225181 >itt: why can't I coast into a top-tier school on talent alone?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:54:58 2012 No.3225182 >>3225163 But he didn't make himself look good. He knew the SAT stuff. There were no smoke and mirrors because he let his GPA be shit. The SAT is a fairly easy test.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:54:58 2012 No.3225184 File: 81 KB, 600x385, 1354237589507.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225140 >>3225126 >>3225124 >>3225119 >>3225114 >>3225054

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:54:58 2012 No.3225186 >>3225181 because they get 1000s of applications from people with talent who also work hard? it comes down to who wants it more...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:55:58 2012 No.3225187 >>3225165 Can't you do two years at your ok school and transfer into something better?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:55:58 2012 No.3225188

>>3225155
The problem isn't that the problem is that private schools here don't teach their students the subject first and foremost and the test will reflect their knowledge. The schools will give the students shitloads of stuff to just rote-learn and lessons on how to do well in the specific tests you're going to take.

Someone in my school year was taking private tutoring up the wazoo and he got an A by memorising verbatim well-written essays and copying them down onto the page on the day.

Specific formulae to deal with types of close-reading in english rather than teaching people to actually close-read.

Essay structure which was
>remember five points each from these few areas in the few texts you will answer your essays on because these are all you're asked
>Write them into an essay with this strict formula, to the point where you can edit the first sentence to fit the question and there you go
>collect your grade, aren't we clever children?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:56:57 2012 No.3225193 >>3225152 NYC having successful people=the 1% and top colleges all being better-looking, harder-working, and smarter=he should totally say it in a provocative ton? Didn't think so.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:56:57 2012 No.3225194 >>3225186 Do you know how an itt post works?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:56:57 2012 No.3225195 >>3225169 He got almost two 800's. Yeah, his math was mediocre, but his still has about a 2000 cum. Plus, he has 1-2 years of college already finished because of AP's. That's pretty fucking good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:57:57 2012 No.3225199 >>3225195 thing is, ever applicant to columbia has those credentials too

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:57:58 2012 No.3225200 >>3225195 >That's pretty fucking good Compared to the most average. It's not a particularly hard achievement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:58:58 2012 No.3225203 >>3225199 >lolumbia >good

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:58:58 2012 No.3225209 >>3225188 the asians specifically are very much like this. There is also a huge amount of cheating and fraud going on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:59:58 2012 No.3225213 >>3225195 if his math was comparable to the other two, the score would be really good. Unfortunately, it's not. Not by a long shot.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 21:59:58 2012 No.3225214
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>>3225173

People who are smarter (measured by IQ, which is a problematic measuring tool but pretty much the best we have) tend to get higher levels of education. People who get higher levels of education tend to make more money (statistically). Intelligence has a strong genetic component. Therefore wouldn't the Venn diagram of smarter people and wealthier people overlap more and more as time went on? So in a way you not being from a rich family already suggests you aren't as smart as the rich kids, doesn't it?

/troll

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:00:57 2012 No.3225219 >>3225209 that's why you don't see any asians in upper management, cheating can only take you so far before you actually have to do your own work, of course they will blame racism

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:01:57 2012 No.3225222 All of you ITT whining about how you didn't get into good schools are either dumb or failures at life. Either way, you are human detritus. Get out of here and post feels on r9k or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:01:57 2012 No.3225225 >>3225138 >thinking there is something to "achieve"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:02:57 2012 No.3225229 >>3225219 Isn't this actually a huge social problem in China due to the massive pressures put on the children to get high test scores they have to grind it hard to get through and have nothing left to give at the end?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:02:57 2012 No.3225230 ITT: Fags who haven't read Jude the Obscure, fags justifying sucking the system's dick, and whiny NEET fags who haven't realized they're free to live a bohemian lifestyle and become the voice of their generation

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:02:57 2012 No.3225232 >>3225225 in capitalism there is always more wealth to accumulate. that's why i finally stopped worrying and learned to love capitalism...it gives everybody something to do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:03:57 2012 No.3225233 >>3225222 the last bit is a good point. this needs to go somewhere else besides /lit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:03:57 2012 No.3225236 >>3225230 >bohemian lifestyle and become the voice of their generation Go to bed, Tao Lin

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:03:57 2012 No.3225240 >>3224961 Your math SAT and your class rank are ass. Even an utter dipshit can do better than bottom 25% with little or no real effort. You deserve what you get.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:04:57 2012 No.3225243 >>3225230 I want to be the postmodern bohemian I really do But I don't have the balls

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:05:57 2012 No.3225249 >>3225243 it's easier to be bohemian if u have a rich dad to pay the rent on your brooklyn condo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:06:57 2012 No.3225254 >>3225232 Do not confuse money with wealth.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:06:57 2012 No.3225255 >>3225249 I said postmodern bohemian not modern bohemian problem?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:08:57 2012 No.3225261 >>3225254 money is what you receive for contributing to society, the more you contribute the more money you make...deal with it nerd.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:08:57 2012 No.3225263 >>3225255 >postmodern bohemian See: The Sot Weed Factor

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:08:57 2012 No.3225268
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>>3225230
>coast through high school and get good test scores
>decent state school pays me to attend
>study what I want and have fun for four years on some kind donor's dime

>he thinks I'm sucking the system's dick

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:08:57 2012 No.3225269 >>3225261 Which is why scientists are fucking rolling in it and the sons of the wealthy have nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:10:57 2012 No.3225277 >>3225261 Okay, I'm sure you could make the argument that money is a reward for doing well, but for "contributing to society"? No. Patently absurd.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:10:57 2012 No.3225279

Ralph Nader came to speak at my small Catholic preparatory highschool when I was a senior. He showed his age a bit (there was one point at which he started coughing unnervingly and I think we were all worried that he would keel over), but on the whole he was eloquent and intelligent to a very high degree.

He spoke for around an hour and a half, after which the floor was opened to the student body for general questions-- all told, this highschool was around 300 students. That's right, 300 students in the entire school. And we had possibly one of the most intelligent people in America here to answer our questions.

A few people asked pretty boring generic questions like "What can young people do to be involved in politics?" or "Do you have advice for the senior class?" And then a hand goes up off to my left. It's Colin D., a junior. Ralph Nader points him out and Colin gets handed a microphone, and I shit you not this is what he asks Ralph Nader-- I will never forget this question, because he gets up and says:

"Mr. Nader, I think I speak the question on all of my fellow students' minds when I ask: are you team Edward or team Jacob?"

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:10:57 2012 No.3225284

>>3225214
>People who are smarter (measured by IQ, which is a problematic measuring tool but pretty much the best we have) tend to get higher levels of education. People who get higher levels of education tend to make more money (statistically). Intelligence has a strong genetic component. Therefore wouldn't the Venn diagram of smarter people and wealthier people overlap more and more as time went on? So in a way you not being from a rich family already suggests you aren't as smart as the rich kids, doesn't it?
>/troll

Since this is actually the subtext of this whole conversation I'd like to point out that statistics that correlate IQ with income and educational achievement are made from samples of middle aged people well into their careers. If someone in the 98th percentile takes 20 years to get a degree and make good money it doesn't make the system any less bullshit, especially when rich idiots get education and bank right out of the gate.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:11:57 2012 No.3225288

>>3225269
if a dad starts a business that produces useful goods and services while employing 1000s of people why should his son have to have the same standard of living as some kid who's dad was drunk everyday and couldn't hold down a job? take it to cuba, shitbag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:12:57 2012 No.3225293 >>3225288 So what did the son contribute to society

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:12:57 2012 No.3225294 >>3225279 Nader spoke at my college. Said Obama was a murderer. How did he respond to that kid's question?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:12:57 2012 No.3225297

>>3225277
if you perform surgery that saves peoples lives society gives you a high standard of living in return, if you ditched school and your main contribution to society is cooking cheeseburgers society is only going to give you a minimum standard of living...in return for your minimal effort. it's not my fault your father was lazy.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:13:57 2012 No.3225304

>YEAH GUYS FUCK AYN RAND RIGHT SHE COMPLETELY IGNORES SOCIETAL FACTORS THE POOR CAN'T JUST WORK THEIR WAY TO SUCCESS SHIT TIER PHILOSOPHY FOR DUMB AMERICUNTS

>YEAH FUCK YOU WHINY CRYBABIES IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO WORK HARD AND SELL YOUR SOUL TO THE SYSTEM YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU PUT IN FUCKING FAGGOTS CAPITALISM 4 LYFE

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:14:57 2012 No.3225306 >>3225297 And what of a straight-up thief who steals money from people. How is that contributing? He still has money Your theory is idealised and full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:14:57 2012 No.3225309 >>3225293 the son isn't accumulating new wealth, my point was in capitalism there is always more wealth to accumulate if you get bored.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:14:57 2012 No.3225310 >>3225268 >zizek >not sucking the system's dick this is what academic Marxists actually believe

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:15:57 2012 No.3225315 >>3225304 return to whence you came, foul mutt! >>3225248

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:16:57 2012 No.3225318 >>3225309 with 10 million in your pocket it's easier to make 1 million more than with nothing. And you don't have to contribute much to society to do it. So, no, not even close to proportional.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:16:57 2012 No.3225320 >>3225297 all this vagueness how many pages through your 'why capitalism is a good system' pamphlet are you?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:16:57 2012 No.3225324

>>3225294

He played it off pretty kindly. "Oh, I'm sorry... You seem to have exposed my ignorance on the subject, I don't really know what you're referring to..."

We had a large international student population, though, so Nader's prepared material dealt mostly with global political consciousness. Didn't hear anything about Obama being a murderer, although this was back in 2010 that he came to my highschool. Don't know when you saw him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:16:57 2012 No.3225326 >>3225288 So the business produces the goods and the dad pays the workers just for being cool? Is that how >jerb creators work?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:16:57 2012 No.3225328 >>3225310 > tenured marxists professor > work a guaranteed job for life based on the debt peonage of your customers, i mean students... lol zizek is a joke

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:17:57 2012 No.3225330 >>3225310 >Implying I'm a Marxist or Zizek fan I was just posting my favorite gif.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:17:57 2012 No.3225333

I'm suprised people here have such little idea about what it takes to get into Ivy League schools these days. Yeah, there's a couple legacies who get in from donations, but they are few and far between. Consider that the acceptance rates are below 10% and that the vast majority of students at Yale were high school valedictorians. 2000 is not a high score. Perfect scores are routine there.

It's amazing to me whenever there's something in the media involving an Ivy League school internet commenters are so quick to point to "mommy and daddy" and all the money. At least half the kids are on financial aid, and some come from legitimately poor communities. Shit's meritocratic nowadays.

Even the athletes can read and write coherently, which no other Division I NCAA can claim.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:17:58 2012 No.3225336 >>3225320 yo capitalism wack dude all those chinks and rich kids who work superhard get all the breaks it's not fair! i want a pony!

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:18:58 2012 No.3225338

>>3225297
but the thing is, people working min wage manual labour jobs aren't necessarily giving minimal effort. Those jobs require much time and toil.. They tax the body and dull the mind. Their renumeration is not commensurable with the actual contribution being made. At the end of the day, a labourer cannot think or do much besides a very basic order of operations. Compared to a middle manager or someone in an equally ambiguous corporate job, they receive far less for their relative contribution. It's exploitation and you know it, mr. troll.

source: i worked as a logger during summers in college (logging is real mans work, a puss like you wouldn't know much about it)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:19:58 2012 No.3225340 i find most people who are angry about capitalism are really just repressing their anger against their father for being unsuccessful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:19:58 2012 No.3225343 >>3225243 Why not, friend? I do it and it's really the best life I can realistically imagine.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:19:58 2012 No.3225344 >>3225336 >rich kids >who work superhard nigga i leld

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:20:57 2012 No.3225346 >>3225328 Academic Marxists have long been aware of the dick sucking arrangements that apply to all academics.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:20:57 2012 No.3225347 >>3225336 yes let's just throw strawmen at each other until the thread 404s. is this your level of debate skill on /pol/?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:21:57 2012 No.3225351

>>3225338
so taker night classes at a community college at night, get all As, transfer to a state four year school, graduate at the top of your class, get a phd from an elite school, become bourgeois.

thousands of immigrants do this every day but you would rather watch anime and whine on the internet

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:21:57 2012 No.3225353 >>3225338 I've been slowly moving up from a shit poor upbringing and I find that the more I make the easier the work is. They're both results of bargaining power, not effort or contribution to society.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:21:57 2012 No.3225354 >>3225343 Are you that tripfag from /a/ who dropped out of highschool and works in a warehouse and watches anime in all their spare time?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:22:58 2012 No.3225357 >>3225340 All the anti-capitalists I know are smartass rich kids at midtier schools because they were lazy. Probably why I always do a double take when people start accusing anti-capitalists of being poor or state-schoolers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:22:58 2012 No.3225358 >>3225344 if it makes you sleep better at night to think rich people don't work hard then kneel at that cross i don't care lel

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:22:58 2012 No.3225360 >>3225351 after 10 hours of physical labour no one can honestly learn or concentrate on anything to a reasonable degree.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:23:58 2012 No.3225362 >>3225358 if it makes you sleep better at night to think that rich people do work hard then kneel at that cross i don't care lel keep talking about contribution while you avoid doing such a thing in this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:23:58 2012 No.3225364 >>3225232 But I'm all about that dolce far niente.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:24:57 2012 No.3225369

>>3225353
yeah and you're moving up because you're putting in work, your bargaining power is increasing because you've invested in your skills and become able to contribute more. do you think you can run a company like google? or design a new processor for intel? sure, the the guys who designed the i7 cpus sat on their butt all day in a air conditioned building but i guarantee they work harder than the average minimum wage polesmoker punching a clock

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:24:57 2012 No.3225370 >>3225351 Whoa, where'd that goalpost go?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:25:57 2012 No.3225377 >>3225351 >become bourgeois Convert or die niggers!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:26:57 2012 No.3225381 >>3225324 It was about a month and half ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:26:57 2012 No.3225384 >>3225354 No, I'm that anon from /lit/ who dropped out of college and collects welfare and walks around and reads and writes and browses the internet and talks to people and drinks and has meals and naps in his spare time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:26:57 2012 No.3225385 >>3225369 Yes, but the guy in HR who hired those designers didn't do much.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:27:57 2012 No.3225392 isn't paying for welfare also contributing to society? where's the distinction?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:28:57 2012 No.3225394

>>3225384
oh man it's totally not fair that you're not rich! your contributions consuming entertainment in the form of novels are so precious you should be heavily remunerated for your hearty efforts! i just can't thank you enough for all the reading you've done, it's really made a difference in the community, the country and the world!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:28:57 2012 No.3225397 >>3222588 I know that feel

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:28:57 2012 No.3225398 >>3225384 oh.. well I'm jealous, but I'm personally not eligible for any sort of social welfare payments...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:28:57 2012 No.3225399 >>3225385 well if it's so easy to be an HR guy then why don't the guys at mcdonalds get jobs in HR instead?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:30:58 2012 No.3225402 >>3224704 is that real?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:30:58 2012 No.3225403 >>3225399 Easy to be and easy to get are two different things dishit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:30:58 2012 No.3225406 >>3225399 I don't have the charisma or networking skills that he had.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:30:58 2012 No.3225408

>>3225358
>if it makes you sleep better at night to think rich people don't work hard then kneel at that cross i don't care lel

Rich people (i.e., the people actually making the money) often work hard. I'm close to some people who have become pretty incredibly rich on their own.

But you said "rich kids". The children of these rich people are often lazy pieces of shit. I also know this from personal experience.

But you probably belong to neither category, so why are you so concerned about defending them from anonymous internet criticism?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:30:58 2012 No.3225409

>>3225360

You can work 10 hours a day and then go to law school, which is a shit-ton harder than college or business school, and still do well. As already mentioned in this thread, the ability to work and keep working is what actually lets you improve your life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:31:58 2012 No.3225410 >>3225394 You're just jealous of his welfare money. Scam harder you lazy pleb.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:31:58 2012 No.3225411 >>3225403 well what advantage does a company have in making it hard to get an HR job? why don't they just hire bums off the street for 5 bucks an hour?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:31:58 2012 No.3225413
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>>3225394
I never whined that things aren't fair. I never pretended to contribute to anything. I just have simple needs and I seem to be able to satisfy them without working. Feels quite "rich", actually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:32:57 2012 No.3225419 I wish I could be like the totally-pro-capitalist guy in this thread. I can't imagine how nice it must feel to have society seem like such an idyllic place where everyone only achieves what they deserve, nothing more or less.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:32:57 2012 No.3225424 >>3225406 "oh i'm too awkward, networking is too hard!" oh wait, what's that? it's hard? you mean networking takes skills!? you're a boy genius, i'm sure you can figure it out?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:32:57 2012 No.3225425 >>3225411 Because the boss would rather hire the bum that he knows and likes as a friend rather than the random bum he doesn't know

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:34:57 2012 No.3225429 >>3225411 >what advantage does a company have I forgot that every single minute detail of any profitable entity's operations is de facto optimal cuz equilibrium or transubstatiation or whatever.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:34:57 2012 No.3225432

>>3225409
>the ability to work and keep working is what actually lets you improve your life.

Everyone who expects to experience some degree of success will have to work hard during certain parts of his life, but your connections are far, far more important than either your work ethic or your intelligence/aptitude (as long as these things are sufficient.)

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:34:57 2012 No.3225433

>>3225411

Exactly. People like to think that a bunch of jobs like HR require no skills or talent, but the fact is they do or else the CEO of every company would just have the guy in the mailroom make all the hiring decisions. If you didn't get a certain job chances are it's because there was a better candidate, not luck or connections or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:34:57 2012 No.3225434 >>3225424 Yes, and for some reason it is that skillset (networking) that gets you a job while others (assiduousness, intelligence) don't.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:35:57 2012 No.3225440 >>3225408 The rich have invested a lot of money in convincing idiots who can afford an occasional visit to TGI Friday's to think they're part of the same class.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:36:57 2012 No.3225442 >>3225433 This is what people who were hired because they're buddies with the manager/boss actually believe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:36:57 2012 No.3225443 >>3225434 lol this hr departments exist for managers to give their bum ass friends a job

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:37:57 2012 No.3225444 >>3225007 Why did you do so many highers? I mean, I know they're more important, but you got good enough grades that you shouldn't have needed to do more. Should have focussed on Adv. Highers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:37:57 2012 No.3225446 >>3225434 Knowing the right people doesn't require any sort of skill. In many cases it simply involves staying in touch with some of your professors or, in the case of good old nepotism, being born.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:38:57 2012 No.3225450

>>3225432

Spoken like someone who has no connections and has no experience with people who do. Connections definitely get people jobs that they don't deserve, but all they do is get you that first position (unless you're the child of the head of the company or something). Once you have your foot in the door it's up to you to climb the ladder and connections mean shit (unless you're conflating connections with networking, which would be dumb of you).

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:43:57 2012 No.3225465

the thing is ... if you work fucking hard other people who work hard start to notice and want to keep your around and suddenly you start to develop "connections"...if you're always late, always half assed and always making excuses the only people who will want you around are stoners and video game addicts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:45:57 2012 No.3225474 >>3224934 What's the difference?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:47:57 2012 No.3225483 The school only matters to a certain degree if you study something worthless and have to rely on the name of your university to get a job. Do something worthwhile like medicine or engineering.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:49:57 2012 No.3225489 >>3225483 no thanks

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:51:57 2012 No.3225498 >>3225489 Enjoy the struggle son.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:53:57 2012 No.3225506 >>3225498 But, surely, that's the point. He would rather struggle doing something that he wants to do than do well doing something he doesn't. Some people get gratification out of things other than money.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:54:57 2012 No.3225508

>>3225489
it's funny, you think you're sticking it to the man or whatever by studying some artsy fartsy bullshit and "being your own man" except in the arts your success totally depends on the approval of others in the form of reviewers, gallery owners, auction houses, etc.

if you can trade bonds like a motherfucker or transplant hearts all day then you don't have to wait around for someone else to tell you how great you are

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:55:57 2012 No.3225512 >>3225506 but if he's struggling he's obviously not doing a very good job at it, like yo bro i'm passionate about plumbing and i havent made any money yet and my apartment and my parents house all small like raw feces but gosh i'm doing what i love!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:55:57 2012 No.3225513 >>3225508 >you think you're sticking it to the man no >your success totally depends on the approval of others i know

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:56:57 2012 No.3225517 >american education It just sounds like being bent over and having pineapples shoved up your ass. I'm grateful for free education.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:56:57 2012 No.3225518 >>3225513 then you're actually a sycophantic toady to the rich, meanwhile entrepreneurs who start business do what they want when they want

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:58:57 2012 No.3225522

>>3225474
School turns you into a "good" citizen and either a member of the bourgeoise or the kind of worker they want. You cold try to say it teaches you to be those things but it doesn't. Actually understanding your position in society and what is expected of you is far less important than just doing it. In fact there's a lot of knowledge that's discouraged in schools.

Check out the free market douche in this thread. He's dumb as hell and probably thinks he's on his way to the one percent because he makes $15 an hour but he's a good little house nigger who loves him some school.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 22:59:57 2012 No.3225524 >>3225518 >then you're actually a sycophantic toady to the ric so? >meanwhile entrepreneurs who start business do what they want when they want i'm sure

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:00:58 2012 No.3225526 >>3225522 dude please, most of the professors you'll take in college are marxists, you obviously haven't gotten past high school, stay unsuccessful, loser

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:00:58 2012 No.3225529 >>3225524 so then why do you think you're doing something noble by being bootlicking loser?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:01:58 2012 No.3225531 >>3225529 i'm a bootlicking loser? how?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:02:57 2012 No.3225532 >>3225531 by never producing anything of value but still waiting around for some rich guy to notice your "genius" and promote your crappy art

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:03:57 2012 No.3225535 >>3225526 >implying academic Marxists aren't part of the same system >getting fit by ordering diet coke at McDonald's Who man, you showed me with all your college lernin' man.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:03:57 2012 No.3225537

>>3222562

>>3223235

So yeah, this.

The kids who weren't legacy admission, minorities, etc, who just had amazing grades and SAT scores... they were basically just better at math than other people. That's really what it comes down to. Math and science. Why?, because many people's brains just aren't wired for math, whereas, provided you don't have a learning disability, anyone will do very well in high school english if you just put forth standard effort. When it comes to sitting in a Yale lit course, where that advantage cant be made clear, yeah everyone is shown to be just the same as everyone else.

>>3224592

This fucking guy. Wow, so edgy and too-cool-for-school. Oooo Dostoevsky.. bow to this Patrician-core smarty pants. What if I'm an attorney working at an intellectual property firm and I have a draft a patent application. Well, fuck it, I already know how to do that--I already know that material. So I'll just read Dostoyevsky instead of doing my job.

You little self-absorbed shit. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If it's so simple and you know it so well then just plow through in no time and get back to doing your thing.

Life, especially adult life, is about dealing with things and doing things you don't necessarily want to. I'm glad you fucked yourself you little bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:03:57 2012 No.3225538 >>3225532 i don't actually make art. i write about it how is this not valuable?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:05:57 2012 No.3225540 >>3225535 where do you think all those marxist philosophy books come from? from some noble construction worker in a hardhat writing in his notepad on lunchbreak?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:06:57 2012 No.3225542 >>3225538 well if nobody wants to buy it, it's not valuable.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:07:57 2012 No.3225544 >>3225542 there are hundreds of people in my class all buying their art history education. by your terms it should be valuable

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:08:57 2012 No.3225551 >>3225544 it is valuable, you're buying it aren't you? doesn't mean it's a good investment.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:09:57 2012 No.3225552 >>3225551 how is it not a good investment? i'm benefiting from it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:11:57 2012 No.3225555 >>3225552 so then what's the fuck your point? you paid for something you wanted and received it, that's how capitalism works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:12:57 2012 No.3225559 >>3225542 this is stupid though by your logic then the most valuable music then today is justin bieber

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:12:57 2012 No.3225560 >>3225555 my point was that i don't have to take medicine or engineering. wasn't that your point?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:12:58 2012 No.3225558

>>3225540
Are you trying to say I learned all this in Marxist philosophy books? I don't even grok the point but yeah, a good portion of Marxist analysis is evident to workers who pay attention and they have in fact contributed a lot but the circular logic of your GREAT MEN understanding of history prevents you from recognizing them. At least tell me you aren't one of those mongloids who thinks Marx invented communism and Lenin led a revolution in Russia.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:13:57 2012 No.3225561 >>3225033 Did you even Alan Brinkley in high school homie? Not every American History class is that fucked. Unless you don't live on either coast. Then maybe your education really is that shitty.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:13:57 2012 No.3225562 >>3225526 this is true actually. I think it's generational. I guess when you have tenure you can rep whatever politics you want.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:13:57 2012 No.3225563 >>3225559 he could logically argue that but really it comes down to equivocation

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:14:57 2012 No.3225565 >>3225560 uh no that wasn't my point, my point was being unsuccessful isn't really something to be proud of. sure. it seems self-evident but there are a lot of people with mixed up values in the world.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:15:57 2012 No.3225567 >>3225559 but don't you agree damien hirst and jeff koons produce the most important art? how come making a lot of money means you're a great sculptor but a bad musician? explain yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:16:57 2012 No.3225568 >>3225054 The American Dream is real guys! You heard him. Just work hard, you'll get what's rightfully yours.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:16:57 2012 No.3225570 File: 32 KB, 400x400, Trertsker.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225540 Edgy bourgeois children who are mad at their dads can't into praxis.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:16:57 2012 No.3225573 >>3225565 evidently there are varying definitions of success and value. because one does not coincide with a prevalent economic system doesn't mean it is less valid

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:17:57 2012 No.3225574 >>3225567 But damien hirst and jeff koons produced the shittiest arriere avante gardist bullshit ever. If you have ever unreflectingly praised them you should kill yourself. Everyone I know at courtauld hates them and so should you

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:17:57 2012 No.3225576

>>3225568
maybe i have a warped view of america because i like in the nyc metro but i see a shitload of people who work hard as hell and achieve their rightful success and i see a lot of lazy slugs that don't do shit and don't get shit. weird how that works...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:17:57 2012 No.3225577 >>3225568 brb, bootstrapping my way up to CEO of the USA

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:18:57 2012 No.3225580 >>3225570 marxism as a political or economic system is dead bro, sure it's still useful for cultural critique but lets be realistic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:18:57 2012 No.3225581 >>3225577 i would but my bootstraps are a less than favourable colour

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:19:57 2012 No.3225583 >>3225580 it's not dead. The revolution is coming. Any day now...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:19:57 2012 No.3225586 >>3225581 damn bro thats tough i guess you'll have to settle for being president

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:20:57 2012 No.3225587 >>3225526 >most of the professors you'll take in college are marxists >>>/pol/ believes this because they've never been to college. If only such a thing were true, but they're most needed at the primary education level. >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:20:57 2012 No.3225588 >>3225583 yeah, and the south shall rise again! and jesus is gonna come back! and ... and .... yeah.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:21:57 2012 No.3225597

>>3225567
i don't agree with your particular point about hirst and koons. i never said making a lot of money makes one a great sculptor, nor a bad musician

the overall point was just to say the idea that market demand does not make something valuable

as much as i detest the idea, i would also welcome an era of capitalistic nihilism. there would be a lot of poetic justice, blowback, sword cutting both ways, etc

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:22:57 2012 No.3225601 >>3225587 lol wtf kind of low budget college did u go to that didn't have marxist professors?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:23:57 2012 No.3225603 Wow /lit/ gets nasty on the weekends

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:23:57 2012 No.3225604

>>3225580
>marxism as a political or economic system
EHL OH EHL
I think you mean Marxist-Leninism since Marxism has never been a political or economic system and you didn't get the joke and you don't even know what's being argued because you don't know anything about it you didn't learn in American civics class.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:24:57 2012 No.3225606 >>3225597 show me a great or important artists who's best work wouldn't pull in more than a mil at auction and i'll believe then...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:25:57 2012 No.3225614 >>3225583 >this is what idiots actually believe that Marxists actually believe

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:25:57 2012 No.3225615 >>3225604 Marxism-Lenism is just state-capitalism bro, stay pseudo-radical, nerd.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:26:57 2012 No.3225620 >>3225601 Tell us the college you went to, provide a list of the professors, and show which ones are Marxists. I'll wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:26:57 2012 No.3225621 >>3225601 He probably just didn't realize they were Marxists because they didn't have Obama pins.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:27:57 2012 No.3225624 >>3225615 No shit pleb. Read the fucking posts. I am not positively disposed towards bolshevism. Why is this one of those subjects that everyone with a 3rd grade reading comprehension thinks that have a super important reasoned opinion on?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:27:57 2012 No.3225625 >>3225614 Don't commodify me bro!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:28:57 2012 No.3225628 >>3225033 >>NO WE HAVE AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE BECAUSE IT'S PATRIOTIC, IT'S NOT LIKE OUR FOUNDING FATHERS HAD A DESPOTIC FEAR OF THE MASSES progressives actually believe this

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:28:57 2012 No.3225630 >>3225099 how is gates really really fucking smart? he's really really fucking creative but not smart

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:28:57 2012 No.3225631 >>3225624 Blame McCarthy

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:28:57 2012 No.3225632

>>3225620
dude, not every professor puts a big notice on the board on the first day of class saying "Hi, I'm professor Dickweed and I'm a Marxist!" but if you actually get involved in student organizing you'll get to know who's a marxist but since you have neither been to college not involved in fighting capitalsim i guess you wouldn't know that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:30:57 2012 No.3225634 >>3225632 >Anti-capitalist or remotely liberal >automatically a Marxist This board is for people who can at least reasonably pretend to have read books. Go back to >>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:31:58 2012 No.3225639 >>3225632 >this guy I'm waiting. You said (or at at least defending the statement that) "most of you'll take in college are marxists". I'm just asking you to show this for ONE college, and you can't do that. Pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:32:58 2012 No.3225641 >>3225639 *most of the professors

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:34:57 2012 No.3225648 >>3225639 again.. where do you think all the marxist books, journals and conferences come from? those people aren't professors? oh ok, thanks for clearing that up.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:35:57 2012 No.3225651

>>3225630
>he's really really fucking creative
How? Before he became rich, guy sat around reading programming code back when COBOL was still a thing. When he became rich, the most creative things he did involved stealing other people's ideas in a way that he could get away with it.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:35:57 2012 No.3225652

>>3225606
well this is just the very difficult point

with retrospect, we are always able to see "greats" or "important' painters or artists

but when it comes to making judgments now, things are far less certain, and its a poor criteria. critics loathed moby dick, and he went to his deathbed thinking it wouldn't receive a second printing let alone the cult-canon status it has today

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:36:57 2012 No.3225656 >>3225648 >Many Marxists are professors, therefore all professors are Marxists. QED

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:36:57 2012 No.3225657 >>3225639 and you said "college is just to brainwash you and make you into a worker drone who doesn't question anything" which indicates to me you have no clue about anything

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:36:58 2012 No.3225654 Yes, most active marxists in north america are academics.. but that doesn't mean that most professors are marxists. I had one professor laugh and tell us that we'd fail the midterm if we didn't cross a TA picket line.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:37:57 2012 No.3225660 >>3225656 er, most You're still an idiot

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:37:57 2012 No.3225661 Why didn't anyone tell me any of this shit when I got into high school. I'm in the eleventh grade, is it too late to try?

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:37:57 2012 No.3225663
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I've been categorized as genius level intelligence by a multitude of proffesional IQ tests, and by past teachers.
Yet, my GPA is under 1.0. This is mainly because i was traumatized at an early age by a horrendous upbringing. I've got a multitude of neuroses that made me incompatible for public schools here in the US.
A few months ago I became psychologically healthy, so I'm not "compatible" with the system. But.. now It's far too late for me to change my GPA... so, anon, what do?
Is there a college i can join based on entrance exams (my foreknowledge) alone, or some educational system I can apply myself to that accommodation itself to the Individual instead of the individuals accommodating to the system?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:37:58 2012 No.3225665 File: 48 KB, 344x345, sippin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225648 >There are Marxists authors >Ergo, all Marxists are professors Waiting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:38:57 2012 No.3225668 >>3225663 accommodates itself to the individual instead of the individuals accommodating themselves to the system**

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:38:58 2012 No.3225666 >>3225654 wow so you had one right-wing econ professor. me too, so what

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:38:58 2012 No.3225667 >>3225661 hahahhaha yes, it is too late to try. At least try getting some volunteering in though

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:39:57 2012 No.3225669 >>3225657 He didn't say that. I said that and I acknowledged that Marxist professors are part and parcel of the reproduction of the conditions of production under capitalism.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:39:57 2012 No.3225670 >>3225663 >I've been categorized as genius level intelligence by a multitude of proffesional IQ tests, and by past teachers. >proffesional IQ tests >proffesional

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:39:57 2012 No.3225671 >>3225663 settle down and finish higschool, timmy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:39:57 2012 No.3225672 >>3225663 just go to a state college get graduate with honors and go do your phd at an elite school, thats what everybody else does, deal with it.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:40:57 2012 No.3225675

>>3224961
>2.9 gpa

damn

i had a 3.4 and i knew any prospects for getting into ivy were shit. you don't apply to those schools without AT LEAST a 3.75, and even thats iffy. also, depending on what your prospective major is, your math score brought you down even further.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:40:57 2012 No.3225677 >>3225657 And by the by, I said college makes you a worker or a member of the bourgeoisie. Try reading the fucking posts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:40:57 2012 No.3225678 >>3225666 you should have seen her. The look in her eyes was pure evil. Although to be fair I was pretty high that day so maybe it was just the salvia

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:40:57 2012 No.3225679 >>3225657 I didn't say any of that, actually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:40:57 2012 No.3225680 >>3225665 you really never met any marxist professors? i think you're a high school kid who doesn't know shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:41:57 2012 No.3225682 >>3225667 volunteer for what?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:41:57 2012 No.3225683 >>3225672 I can't go to a state college with a GPA of 0.3

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:42:57 2012 No.3225684 >>3225683 well then kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:42:57 2012 No.3225686 File: 155 KB, 450x496, 1262844235698.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw "marxist professors" guy has successfully trolled this thread

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:43:57 2012 No.3225688

>>3225663
Make money in some way that leaves you time to read. Give up on education for any higher purposes and make dosh somewhere where you can hang out with people who read. I'm a carpenter in a college town that also happens to be a UNESCO city of literature with some bangin' libraries. It ain't perfect but it works.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:44:57 2012 No.3225691 >>3225683 If you're so smart, try to impress some low-to-mid tier schools with your essays and such. Then from there, if it's it's pretty low, you can transfer to a better school, graduate there with honors, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:44:57 2012 No.3225692 >>3225652 yeah this. some don't really get noticed until later i.e vermeer, gericualt

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:44:57 2012 No.3225693 >>3225686 This entire thread has been trolled like ten times now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:44:57 2012 No.3225695 >>3225684 Thanks anon

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:44:57 2012 No.3225696

>>3225680
>that back-peddling
>that evasion
>that projection

I've met a Marxist professor before. Never said I didn't. I'm waiting for you to name the college with mostly Marxist professors. You claim, or stand by the claim, that most colleges anyone will go to will have mostly Marxist professors. I just want one, and you can't do that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:45:57 2012 No.3225698 >>3225686 which one the? high school drop out who's never met a marxist professor?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:45:57 2012 No.3225699 >>3225632 i've been involved in student organizing and all i've seen are either other students or the college administration TAs, sure, but i haven't seen a single faculty get involved in student/campus politics

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:45:57 2012 No.3225700 >>3225663 >>3225688 Getting a marketable education in something you can stomach will work too but don't think people with PHds automatically make money. You don't want to be some fucking adjunct.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:45:57 2012 No.3225701 >>3225695 you're welcome, anon. God, anon is telling anon to kill itself. Self-hatred, I guess.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:46:58 2012 No.3225702 what's the goal of going to these elite ivy league schools like harvard and yale? what jobs can you get with degrees from them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:46:58 2012 No.3225704 >>3225696 dude i'm not going to post the names of my professors you fucking tool, if i cared i'd google a marxist conference and cut and past some names in but i don't give a shit enough about your hill billy community college ass to bother

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:47:57 2012 No.3225705 >>3225700 yet most of the dickwads (and for goddamn sure everyone posting here) who go through with their PhD end up as some sort of adjunct/sessional teaching professor BITCH.. or worse.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:47:57 2012 No.3225706 >>3225698 Flounce for me baby :)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:47:57 2012 No.3225707 >>3225699 well then i guess you went to a shit school, don't blame me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:47:57 2012 No.3225708 >>3225702 connections, and many top companies recruit from those schools

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:47:57 2012 No.3225709 >>3225704 See >>3225706

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:47:57 2012 No.3225711 >>3225702 World's Richest Man, Fucking a Lot of Women, jobs like that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:48:57 2012 No.3225714 ITT: Frustrated people being mad at one another because the system they are either mad at or agree with doesn't give a shit about their opinion.

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:49:57 2012 No.3225716

>>3225702
Depending on the degree, pretty much anything. Those colleges are great, and the people who are saying that all the students there are stupid and lucky are trolls and/or wrong. Doesn't mean no one smart or successful ever didn't go to an Ivy, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:50:58 2012 No.3225719 >>3225714 i don't give a shit about YOUR opinion* *your a fag

Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:50:58 2012 No.3225721

>>3225688
>>3225700
Sounds like I'll have to find a way to work around the system to make money. Fortunately, my EQ is also exceptionally high. I've made a lot of friends are (will soon be) in high places. Sounds a bit calculating and heartless to do so, but whatever.
I'm not sure what's worse- Knowing that you've wasted your potential all your life because of something that wasn't in your control, or bitching about it on an anonymous image board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:50:58 2012 No.3225722 >>3225704 Waaaaaaiiiiiiiitiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnng

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:51:58 2012 No.3225723 >>3225714 i'm frustrated the pacquiao fight hasn't started yet, im bored of arguing with bitter uneducated hicks, maybe ill go to /sp/ for a while

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:51:58 2012 No.3225724 >>3225722 have fun fgt

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:52:57 2012 No.3225725 >>3225721 >I'm not sure what's worse Thinking that you're ability to attend prestigious colleges in the beginning and end of your potential is pretty fucking bad

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:53:57 2012 No.3225727 >>3225725 >you're Fuck. I'm going to bed

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:55:57 2012 No.3225734 >>3225725 You're right, it isn't, but it would have made everything a fuckton easier.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:56:57 2012 No.3225738 >>3225719 I do believe we have caught one here ma'am. Prized retards sure are a delicacy. Keep it alive, we'll sell it at auction for a pretty penny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:56:57 2012 No.3225739 File: 120 KB, 434x400, zechs marquise the lightning count millardo peacecraft laughs at your self-detonation.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225723 >>3225724 Don't come back, kid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 8 23:58:58 2012 No.3225744 File: 41 KB, 800x800, keep-calm-and-harden-the-fuck-up-3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225734 Do this

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:02:57 2012 No.3225751 How come all the material on the SAT/ACT is composed of what is commonly taught in middle school or freshman year?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:04:57 2012 No.3225755 OP, its very simple how those kids got into top tier schools. Daddy sits on the same board of directors at some neocon thinktank that the dean of students does.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:05:57 2012 No.3225758 >>3225384 >collects welfare >not ashamed son... i am very disappoint

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:07:58 2012 No.3225766

Because grades are just as bad a measure of how smart someone is.

>Be in highschool
>Pulling a 97% in math without a single day of homework, spend most of my time sleeping in it top of the class, ect.
>Go on a family trip for a month
>Come back, I've missed three tests
>Don't bother to study
>Fail them all
>Go back to getting an almost perfect score in math
>Complete semester with 90%
>Only 4th highest in class

>Apparently I'm bad at math

One semester I took only academic classes including one class which was almost entirely in French because I wanted to learn French and a math class a year above me. I finished with a pretty average grade. Meanwhile the school valedictorian took two non-chalenging academic classes and two 'easy' classes which generally only exist to pad grades. I'm not saying I'm smarter than the valedictorian (she was quite intelligent), but it's hard to measure two people against eachother on their performance when one is pushing themselves as hard as they possibly can and the other isn't even going an inch out of their comfort zone.

Right now I'm a 16 year old droppout trying to teach myself everything I can. The textbooks at my school where shit, the teachers sucked, and if you wanted to take advantage of any educational opportunities outside of the one's offered through the educational system you're going to be docked grades as though you're doing something bad. Recently however I learned of a really interesting sounding liberal arts university that I think would be great to go to, they're really progressive in terms of how their education is run, the average class size is 15 people, and the staff sounds really well qualified. The only problem is that you have to pay out the ass to go there, I'm hoping that if I get enough scholarships I'll have a chance.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:08:58 2012 No.3225768 >>3225758 >Implying the rich don't also 'round here it's defense industry and corn-subsidy-harvesting machines.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:08:58 2012 No.3225770 >>3225751 Because even very dumb kids take the SAT, and we don't want to flip out in the middle of the test and start shooting people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:09:58 2012 No.3225772 >>3225766 colleges usually look very rigorously into what classes you are taking most value harder classes with lower gpas over easier classes with high gpas

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:11:58 2012 No.3225775

>>3225766
You had me at dropping out. I so wish I'd done that and gone into a trade right away.

You lost me at dropping out and getting scholarships. I doesn't work that way. That school sounds cool because it there to coddle rich kids and tell them they're smart.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:11:58 2012 No.3225776 >>3225768 and they ought to be ashamed too. leeches.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:13:58 2012 No.3225783
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If OP hates the student body at "x" university, OP would have a better time at "y" university. It shouldn't matter whether "x" is labeled respectable or subpar, or "y" respectable or subpar.
If OP hates the kind of person who follows the system vehemently without regards to awareness, OP would hate most professors at Ivy League schools.

If OP, despite this, wants to attend an "x" university, he could enroll in community college or state school, do well, actively participate in school society, do something that stands out (published, research, internship), and easily get in.
I don't understand. Dostoevsky isn't even deep, why would you be proud of that?
Talk to me when you've performed classical music in University ensembles, ran a notable political organization, won 4+ gold medals in academic decathlon, ran philosophy club, attend lectures at 92nd street Y by NYU's Judaic professor, the Dalai Llama's best friend, Harvard's politics professor, et cetera, but: spent all your time reading philosophy from Krishnamurti to Wittgenstein, tried not to go clinically insane, dropped out junior year with a gpa of 1.6 and am now in the application process.
Who the fuck cares? You act as if you've developed a clearer insight into the world but you still want to attend a brandname university *simply because it is brandname*. There are plenty of universities that would fit you better, I'm positive, and there are plenty of programs you could do for $10,000 that would teach you so much more.
Now, what are you going to say? You need money? Become a fucking electrician, a fucking merchant mariner, a fucking farmer, a bohemian. God damn it.
I really, really don't think you understand how insignificant it is.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:15:58 2012 No.3225787 >>3225054 I dropped out of school because it wasn't challenging enough and then took on a fairly rigorous self education. How does that not show a good work ethic?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:15:58 2012 No.3225789 File: 77 KB, 333x500, nail.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225783 This fuckin' guy.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:16:58 2012 No.3225792

>>3225783
>he could enroll in community college or state school, do well, actively participate in school society, do something that stands out (published, research, internship), and easily get in
Are you talking about transferring or graduate school? Transferring into most top schools is much more difficult than applying freshman year(sometimes schools like Harvard don't take any transfers at all for a year), and there are almost no undergraduate research opportunities in state schools, let alone community colleges.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:19:58 2012 No.3225799

>>3225792
Luckily for him, there are 3,000 other universities in the world. However, I'd be super surprised if they wouldn't let OP in if he had a valid reason for transferring as opposed to, "Well, sir, I mean, it's Harvard!"

>no undergraduate research opportunities
MAKE an undergraduate research opportunity. Talk to professors, form a club, be the PRESIDENT of your school's research opportunity. Regardless, I was talking more in line with helping your community college professor publish something related to obscure masturbatory topics such as redefining ancient greek semantics using mathematical algorithms.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:22:59 2012 No.3225807

>>3225775
Technically I didn't drop out, I'm in an 'alternative education' program which lets people study at their own pace and gives them grades for it. I figure most universities will look at it as the same level as dropping out though because all my classmates are just in the program for easy grades. I volunteer a lot in my free time, so I figure that getting scholarships won't be too hard.

As for the school, that's my fear about it. On one hand, it would be cool to be able to study with some of their professors and it sounds like a good program. On the other, it's probably just a scam. I have a few years still before I need to decide, so I hope some doors open up to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:22:59 2012 No.3225808 >>3225766 >able to take a class entirely in french >school has 'easy classes' >dropped out of this school wow. Hey, don't say you are a dropout. Say that you're homeschooled. You transfered.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:23:59 2012 No.3225812 >>3225799 I like your point on the whole but >community college professor >publish something lol

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:23:59 2012 No.3225813 >>3225807 What school?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:24:59 2012 No.3225814 >>3225807 Oh man. That's even more what I wish I had done. Do your research and maybe kick ass at comedy college for a year.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:25:59 2012 No.3225816 >>3225812 The kind of people who teach at community college love the subject and have to deal with uninterested students all the time. I think you'd be surprised how many would love a student wanting to get something published

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:29:59 2012 No.3225828

>>3225813
The one I'm in now, or the one I'd like to go to?
I won't say what I'm in now because it would be fairly easy to find me (there are about 10 people in the entire school), but the one I thought looked interesting is Quest university.

http://www.questu.ca/

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:29:59 2012 No.3225829 >OP doesn't realize he could attend a school where the student body hates the traditional school system just as much

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:32:59 2012 No.3225836

>>3225814
Haha, thanks. I'm hoping to take a few classes at my community college next semester, but would there be any way to stick out at all there? I know >>3225816 mentioned getting something published, what would I have to do to do something like that? I'm sure it would be a good way to stick out amoung the hundreds of other highschool droppouts.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:35:59 2012 No.3225838

>>3225836
Just being enthusiastic will make you stand out. Don't let any teachers who've just turned off be too lazy. I just thought of all the community college teachers who can't get themselves published, but I don't think you need to be in an academic journal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:35:59 2012 No.3225841 >>3225828 How many more schools like this are out there? This is the first of its kind I've seen.. and I'm impressed

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:37:59 2012 No.3225842 >>3225828 >Founded in 2002 by former University of British Columbia president Dr. David Strangway >Opened with a 74-student inaugural class on September 3, 2007 Dunno aboot Canada but the US is full of new for-profit schools that are fucking scams.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:39:01 2012 No.3225844 >>3225841 It's a scam. The whole package screams "scam".

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:43:01 2012 No.3225850

>>3225841
As far as I know of, this is the only one. It's a shame because it actually sounds like a pretty good program, but it's only been around for a few years and it has a feeling of being a scam to it. If a longstanding university adopted this teaching style I'd be all over it, but I don't really trust it as it is now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:48:01 2012 No.3225860 >>3225844 >>3225850 The founder David Strageway's wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Strangway So far so good.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:52:01 2012 No.3225865 >>3225829 What schools are like this? I'm honestly curious. Do any of them actually give a good educational experiance, or are they just full of people who didn't get good grades in highschool?

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:52:01 2012 No.3225869

>>3225860
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Strangway
Not a send-all-your-money-to-nigeria scam but an expensive-education-that-no-one-thinks-much-of-that-doesn't-prepare-you-for-anything-in-the-outside-
world what percent of their grads are employed in their fields?

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 00:57:02 2012 No.3225876

>>3225860
Here's the current president's wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Helfand

It looks pretty interesting, I only wish that there was more info about how the students do after graduation. I could see this becoming known as either a really fantastic university or a massive waste of money, and I have no idea which one it is.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 01:04:02 2012 No.3225888

My friend was one of those kids who did every extracurricular and ended up being valedictorian. He got accepted to McGill (the Harvard of Canada) but ended up going to some piece of shit school nobody had ever heard of for Journalism.

To this day I still don't understand why he did all those extracurriculars if he didn't even care about getting into a prestigious school. Seems like a wasted effort to me.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 01:04:02 2012 No.3225891

>>3225876
I found two interesting links on the subject
1- A message board talking about it (It's a start)
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/canada/729224-quest-university-canada-2.html

2- A seemingly biased and sketchy article
http://oncampus.macleans.ca/education/2008/11/13/noble-quest/

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 01:09:02 2012 No.3225908

>>3224616
>>They think that a college education is little more than vocational school for LOL THAT DOSH
they're right. This is what college has become. It's either something you do as a prereq for entering a technical field or a place you go to get indoctrinated and become part of academia. Or the third option of wasting your money by taking a non-technical degree and not wanting to become part of academia.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 01:21:04 2012 No.3225945 >>3225891 Fuck it's sketchy as fuck

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 01:22:04 2012 No.3225949 >>3225377 People with PhDs rarely subsist from profit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 01:25:04 2012 No.3225954 >>3225949 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 01:28:05 2012 No.3225958 >>3225908 or people who just like, you know, want to learn

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 01:30:05 2012 No.3225965 >>3225891 >that obvious shill in the college confidential thread Well fuck, that place looks downright scary. Not a chance I'm going there. Shame though, the block system sounded pretty interesting.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 02:19:58 2012 No.3226061
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Apparently I was NYU and Ithaca (hey, it's right across the street from Cornell!) material, but there's no way I'm paying fucking $50k for my undergrad when I really can't afford it.

Now, if I was rich, sure -a bachelors at a place like that lessens the need for some higher degree. And then there's simple matter of esteem; I currently attend Temple University and it's kind of shit, and everyone knows it. Excellent library though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 02:21:58 2012 No.3226065 >>3225663 >that feel when you'll never attend Peterhouse Cambridge like David Mitchell

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 02:24:58 2012 No.3226076

>>3225517
That is exactly what it's like, which is why I laugh whenever yuropoors start protesting the fact they have to pay like 500 euro for uni now instead of nothing.

I am getting shafted here for life and you're quibbling about an amount that couldn't even get you a Vespa?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 02:45:59 2012 No.3226122 File: 244 KB, 500x378, 1333610048080.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>3225056 >calling it APUSH I always hated it when people called it that.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 03:16:03 2012 No.3226146

>>3224592
>WAaa while smart normal kids where cramming for their chem final I read Dostoevsky, look how smart I am

>>3225663
>waaaa I got rapped as a kid and used that as an excuse not to MAN UP AND WORK HARD like any normal person

>>3225766
>WAaaaa I took the hardest classes I could instead of taking a variety of stuff like underwater basket weaving like a hardworking motivated normal person and now I'm a droppout, why can't schools bend over backwards to let me in?

Bunch of crybabies, all of you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 07:13:03 2012 No.3226444 Why are Americans so complicated Adv.H - AAA H - AAAAAA Standard grades - 11122223 (Fuck french)

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 08:59:13 2012 No.3226621

>>3225888
I know man. This guy I knew got A*s out the arse. Doing A level Maths at GCSE, wanting to become an architect, accomplished cross country runner etc.

He's at a college (in the UK colleges =/= university) studying architecture. Why he didn't go to university I do not know.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 09:09:14 2012 No.3226653

>>3226076
>That is exactly what it's like, which is why I laugh whenever yuropoors start protesting the fact they have to pay like 500 euro for uni now instead of nothing.
>I am getting shafted here for life and you're quibbling about an amount that couldn't even get you a Vespa?
There are people in the world who don't even have access to education, doesn't mean you can't complain about your system.

Got to say though, any time I'm feeling a bit fucked due to course being buttfuckhard and I'm worrying about how it'll go the thought of having having that while worrying about economy and working part time just to pay the fees makes me think "Yeah, shit ain't that bad after all".

I honestly don't get how American STEM's who don't have their parents pay for anything manage, unless they just grab enough loans to not have to worry until later. Which obviously leads to worries anyway.

Anonymous Sun Dec 9 09:16:14 2012 No.3226670

>>3226444
Why is wherever you come from so complicated?

In my country you have 6 subjects minimum in high school, and you get a percentage for each.

If you want to get into high-tier university you need an average of about 60-70 depending, and then you need to take access tests in the relevant subjects. The access tests are weighted more than the high school average.

None of this trying to compare standard and higher grade stuff

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 12:35:00 2012 No.3227137 >>3225888 Maybe because the school has a really good journalism department? Just a thought. Those are hard to find, and they are often at places that are otherwise pretty pedestrian.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 9 13:18:03 2012 No.3227239 >>3225958 but won't.

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