What does /lit/ think of graphic novels? pic related, it's what I am currently reading. I very much enjoy this book, does anyone know of similar books that I might like?

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Anonymous Thu Nov 29 20:41:17 2012 No.3193421 [Reply] [Original]

What does /lit/ think of graphic novels?
pic related, it's what I am currently reading.
I very much enjoy this book, does anyone know of similar books that I might like?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 20:44:17 2012 No.3193432 Try Daniel Clowes or Chris Ware.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 20:47:17 2012 No.3193441 >>3193421 looks like some retarded escapist bullshit sort of like scott pilgrim how close am i

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 20:49:17 2012 No.3193447 American Splendor

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 20:50:17 2012 No.3193449 >>3193441 Not at all, it's a maudlin autobiographical coming-of-age story.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 20:50:17 2012 No.3193456 >>3193441 oh god not at all like scott pilgrim do you even know what you're talking about

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 20:57:22 2012 No.3193480 >>3193441 Not at all

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:00:17 2012 No.3193491 Alan Moore's Saga of the Swamp Thing Fucking seriously.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:02:17 2012 No.3193501 Marjane Satrapi or Margeurite Abouet.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:02:17 2012 No.3193502 >>3193491 this sounds interesting. I'll check it out, thanks for the recommendation.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:04:17 2012 No.3193514

>>3193421

I don't know from graphic novels, but one of my favourite comics ever is Planetary.

I also love The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Both comics can be re-read almost endlessly because of the sheer density of the references. Alan Moore is a pretty serious contender for best comic writer ever.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:07:18 2012 No.3193522 File: 40 KB, 1024x768, watchmen.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do I even have to say it? This book was fucking mind blowing

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:11:17 2012 No.3193531 >>3193522 Yes it was. That book was what got me into graphic novels.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:18:17 2012 No.3193555 >>3193421 only faggots call comics "graphic novels"

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:24:17 2012 No.3193569 >>3193555 Obvious troll is obvious

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:28:17 2012 No.3193573 >>3193522 Some serious narrative styles going on there. My favs: Berserk Blame! The Sandman Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron The Number 73304-23-4153-6-96-8

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:29:17 2012 No.3193579
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My favorite by so far. I didn't really get moved by the ending though, I usually hate endings anyway.

I'd seen the movie many times, so I know what was coming but I still cried manly tears at a certain point of the book.

As an example of other graphic novels, I wasn't really moved by Watchmen and find Vendetta is where he Moore shines. I really enjoyed it and want to find more like Vendetta.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:30:17 2012 No.3193582

>>3193569
not a troll

see 4 example what neil gaiman says:
>I was invited and I went along and I got talking to a guy who turned out to be the literary editor of the Sunday Telegraph. He asked what I did. When I answered that I write comic books, he looked at me as if I had confessed to shoplifting or something. So we're standing there having a drink and he's looking uncomfortable, but before I can walk away he asked what kind of comic books I write. When I answered they were the Sandman series, he looks at me, says, "Hang on, I know you, you're Neil Gaiman. My dear fellow, you don't write comics, you write graphic novels."
>So as far as I can tell, it's just a difference between being a hooker and a lady of the evening. Basically. The nice thing about calling them graphic novels is that people who can't quite cope with comic books can cope with them under the term "graphic novels." And in the case of something like the Sandman series, it's more or less a marketing term. You've got an epic sort of story with Sandman. All ten volumes I tend to think of as a graphic novel. It's 2,000 pages long. It's one huge, great, wonderful, gigantic story.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:34:17 2012 No.3193595 >>3193582 i think the difference is in how theyre published like a graphic novel isnt serialized, it's published whole theyre both comic books though

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:41:17 2012 No.3193614 >>3193595 bullshit stuff like watchmen and v for vendetta sandman and smartest kid on earth were serialized only recent indie stuff isn't serialized most pre-war novels were serialized too btw, from crime and punishment to ulysses, etc

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:43:17 2012 No.3193620 >>3193595 The difference is 'graphic novel' lulls you into thinking you're not reading kiddie books

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:54:17 2012 No.3193651 >>3193614 I kind of figured Comic, implied it was comical. So serious works aren't comedy, thus Graphic Novels. I think I'm completely wrong, that's just what I assumed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 21:58:17 2012 No.3193663 >>3193651 Is Batman a comic?

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 22:02:17 2012 No.3193671

>>3193663
I can't really say, I've only read Batman: Arkham Asylum by Grant Morrison and that was definitely not comical.

I see the point you're making. In the beginning were comics always comical and then serious works used the same format too and were also called comics, or does the word comic have a different meaning?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 22:02:17 2012 No.3193672 >>3193651 It's just a marketing gimic. Alan Moore talks about it in some interviews, it was just a way to market comics to a particular niche.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 22:02:17 2012 No.3193673 >>3193449 Just want you to know "maudlin" is a terribly underused adjective and I appreciate you using it.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 22:27:17 2012 No.3193740
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Yes, I like comics. The stuff posted itt (Moore, Thompson) is overrated, entry-level. It's the highschool tier of /lit/, the Huxley and the Palaniuk. And just because they're overpriced and stuck in B&N and doesn't mean they're some prestigious graphic literature.

Don't listen to /co/'s tastes, it's almost as bad as /tv/'s.
Most people gravitate towards D+Q because they publish more accessible stuff (like many popular webcomics..) but you'll find a lot more actually worthwhile, interesting and less commercial/safe crap on Picturebox or Fantagraphics (who also release collections of old, genuinely great classics like Krazy Kat, to compare against D+Q's taste).

Some guys I'd recommend looking into Charles Burns, Chris Wares, Jim Woodring, Brian Chippendale, Yuichi Yokoyama.

Maybe start with getting Asterios Polyp, Black Hole and Big Questions and expand from there.

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 22:30:17 2012 No.3193752

>>3193740
>And just because they're overpriced and stuck in B&N and doesn't mean they're some prestigious graphic literature.

To expand on this, I didn't see the discussion itt, "graphic novel" is a marketing term. They're comics. If you're going to try to go into the history of it, well the book OP posted is the first "graphic novel", so shouldn't every graphic novel have to be 600 pages and tackle emotional but (relevant) subject matter?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 22:36:17 2012 No.3193770 >>3193752 >well the book OP posted is the first "graphic novel" But Blankets wasn't the first graphic novel. That would most likely be Eisner's A Contract With God

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 22:43:17 2012 No.3193792

>>3193752
>forgetting or not knowing based Eisner

Graphic novel = a novel written through sequential art instead of just words. Cape comics and comic strips aren't graphic novels, but they're all graphic literature, which is sequential art. GN may originally be a marketing term but it can have its place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 22:56:17 2012 No.3193832 I quite liked The Coffin

Anonymous Thu Nov 29 22:56:17 2012 No.3193833
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>>3193770
>>3193792
Eisner coined the term but Thompson placed them in B&N.

>a novel written through sequential art instead of just words
>Cape comics and comic strips aren't graphic novels
Why not? Why wouldn't the narrative sculptures of early persian, egyptian, christian, etc. art not be "graphic novels"? You'll have to define novel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 23:55:17 2012 No.3194027 From Hell is a fucking masterpiece I thought Blankets was barely readable, but then again I'm kind of dead inside so this feely emotional shit doesn't really resonate with me

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 23:56:17 2012 No.3194036 >>3194027 Disregard Blankets, read Habibi.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 23:57:17 2012 No.3194044 >>3193579 I hated this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 29 23:59:17 2012 No.3194049 >>3194044 Damn man but cool, it's awesome that we all like and hate different things. Mind giving a mini review on it? why you hated it? >>3194027 I really didn't like the violence in it, I'm just not into the overly demented stuff.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 00:01:17 2012 No.3194064 >>3194049 Sure man. I found the artwork really bad, the dialogue boring and the pages smelled bad. 2 stars

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 00:23:18 2012 No.3194120 >>3194064 The smelly pages part can't be the fault of Moore or the artist haha

Anonymous Fri Nov 30 00:29:17 2012 No.3194136

holy shit just read every single page by chris ware you can get your greasy hands on. every fucking panel he spent hour after miserable hour measuring and adjusting and throwing away and starting again. i think my right hand just sweats now when i use the computer due to some pavlovian response that's been burned in from too much internet masturbating. my mouse feels gross no matter how many times i clean it

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 00:45:17 2012 No.3194174 >>3193421 Its actually really good. Dont mind these pseudi-intellectuals They're the bane of /lit/

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 00:52:17 2012 No.3194188 >>3194174 If it wasn't for the so-called 'pseudo-intellectuals' /lit/ would have long ago devolved into an amalgam of /co/, /tg/ and /b/

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 00:52:17 2012 No.3194193 >>3193573 Do you mean the Guts-Casca-Griffith Berserk? If so, have you read the authors other works? I still can't imagine the author of Berserk making Idolm@ster doujinshi.

Anonymous Fri Nov 30 03:15:18 2012 No.3194505

i liked sandman & side stories, hatter m, hark, a vagrant! the abominable, lackadaisy, harlequin valentine, stray toasters, the art in kingdom come, dave mckean's work (violent cases, etc), ashley wood's world war robot, gunmm, flight, dear creature, shoulder-a-coffin kuro, etc.
haven't read maus, yet. sounds like something lit would like.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 06:33:18 2012 No.3194714 >>3194193 Yes and no. Are they good? >>3193740 >Black Hole I read good things about this one. >>3194136 Nice. This is the kind of reviews that make me read shit. Definitely going to check out Chris Ware.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 06:44:18 2012 No.3194735 I wanted to like Blankets but I always find these stories about teenage love and not much else so fucking... insignificant.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 08:23:18 2012 No.3194923 >>3194714 Would you reccomend any of chris ware's non-comic works?

Anonymous Fri Nov 30 08:44:18 2012 No.3194948
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>>3193740
>Moore & Thompson
>entry level
>Brian Chippendale, Jim Woodring,Yuichi Yokoyama
>Kanye

I can tell you're from /mu/.
I can also tell you to go away, idiotic hipsters can post on lit only after midnight (GMT).
You don't know anything, really, please leave.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 08:47:18 2012 No.3194959 >>3194188 Instead now it's the bastard, retarded child of /mu/ and /sci/. I'd say it's worse this way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 08:52:18 2012 No.3194968 >>3194948 >he recommends things >you shitpost Pretty sure you're the one who should leave.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 08:57:18 2012 No.3194979 >>3194968 Better to be silent than to give bad advice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 09:00:18 2012 No.3194981 >>3194979 >recommending Asterios Polyp is bad advice Just stop. Seriously. You're an embarrassment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 09:04:18 2012 No.3194989 >>3194981 I underlined with the green text the stupid parts of that post. Let me check again if I even implied Polyp or Mazzucchelli were bad... Nope, I didn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 09:22:18 2012 No.3195013 yo blankets was total shit compared to jimmy corrigan serious, fuck blankets

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 09:53:18 2012 No.3195079 Read Black hole,I forget who wrote or illustrated it but it was a decent 8/10 graphic novel, anyone here read it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Nov 30 10:37:18 2012 No.3195152 >>3193491 I'm reading Scott Snyder's Swamp Thing and I've been hungry for more Swamp Thing. Thanks anon.

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