/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.3030908]

Does it piss anyone else off that people don't try harder to avoid imposing 21st century moral sensibilities on to the actions of past ages by warning against cultural anachronism?

[Anonymous No.3030913]

Nope. Probably just you.

[Anonymous No.3030918]

>be history major
>be one of the only ones into academic history and not planning on teaching high school
>this shit, wall-to-wall, in every single class
>professors apologizing for gendered pronouns in 200 year old translations of 1400 year old books
>professors stopping for 3 minutes to explain how unfortunate it is that slavery existed
>stopping for 5 minutes to soothe everyone's asspain over how women weren't allowed to vote
>stopping to remind us that only the adult males were considered citizens
>stopping to remind us that retarded babies were exposed to the elements by culture xyz and that's TERRIBLE!!
>stopping to make sure no one is bursting into spontaneous tears over 14th century realpolitik

[Anonymous No.3030921]

>>3030918
How do people like that even get into University?

[Anonymous No.3030935]

>The lives they chose may seem overly ascetic and self-denying to most women today.

>It may be said that the commitment to some of the social and economic concepts was less strong than it is now.

[Anonymous No.3030939]

>>3030921
have you never been to a university before???

[Anonymous No.3030942]

>>3030939
No, I'm still doing A2s. It's just, getting into a University in England is such an arduous fucking task, that I didn't really expect anyone stupid to be there.

[Anonymous No.3030956]

>>3030942

Puh-wease, UCAS is piss easy. Just write a personal statement about how much you love your subject and then tick the boxes correctly and it's done.

[Anonymous No.3030960]

>>3030956
I don't know where to start ;_;

[Anonymous No.3030977]

>>3030913

Are you black? Female? Or both?

[Anonymous No.3030991]

>>3030921
promoting leftist values is basically the only objective of humanity departments. they certainly aren't concerned with education or vocational training.

[Anonymous No.3030992]

>>3030942
>University in England
How're those tuition fees going for you?

I'm just enjoying not having to pay them. Pic very much related.

[Anonymous No.3030997]

>>3030942
Are you kidding?
There are so many fucking terrible universities in the UK now
Unless you go to Oxbridge, or a russell group uni, your course will be full of fucking retards.
And tbh, even in those places you have a fair share of morons. You'll be disillsioned soon enough.

[Anonymous No.3030998]

>>3030992
FFFFFFREEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Anonymous No.3031002]

Its a massive frustration of mine.

[Anonymous No.3031013]

>>3030921
This was my whole history experience as well. 1 or 2 men/boys who can quote Gibbon and Homer, 30 future housewives who wanted to teach but didnt read, understand science, or comprehend math. This is a state university of course.

I did take take a "Sexuality in the Classical World" class with a crusty old Yale PhD who berated the dumb bitch quotient for a whole semester on equating homosexuality with greek pederasty and object based sexuality and calling greek men mysogynists, and a great "Women in Early Modern Europe" class that pretty much dealth with witchcraft, rape in the 30 years war, and jewish women butchering their children in the face of forced conversion, so it all depended on the professor

[Anonymous No.3031040]

Eh, I didn't really get any challenging History until I started post-graduate work and looked at stuff like Harootunian's conceptions of modernity. Otherwise it was just fucking A-level work but with longer word limits.

[Anonymous No.3031056]

>>3031040
Ive never experienced "difficult" history work, but for example, I just read a 700 page work on Prussian bureaucracy, and man the monotony=difficulty. Also, Ive never done the work in a foreign language, so I would expect that to make it difficult as well.

[Anonymous No.3031057]

This is the exact sort of shit that some people knew would happen when they started letting women into higher education.

[Anonymous No.3031067]

>>3031057
In the three or four civilized European countries, one can in a few centuries educate women to be anything one wants, even men--not in the sexual sense, of course, but certainly in every other sense. At some point, under such an influence, they will have taken on all male virtues and strengths, and of course they will also have to take male weaknesses and vices into the bargain. This much, as I said, one can bring about by force. But how will we endure the intermediate stage it brings with it, which itself can last a few centuries, during which female follies and injustices, their ancient birthright, still claim predominance over everything they will have learned or achieved? This will be the time when anger will constitute the real male emotion, anger over the fact that all the arts and sciences will be overrun and clogged up by shocking dilettantism; bewildering chatter will talk philosophy to death; politics will be more fantastic and partisan than ever; society will be in complete dissolution because women, the preservers of the old custom, will have become ludicrous in their own eyes, and will be intent on standing outside custom in every way.

[Anonymous No.3031083]

>>3030918
well, it did make me more misanthropic and want to go back in time and nuke everybody

[Anonymous No.3031084]

What is "cultural anachronism"?

There is nothing new under the sun, and I am a man, therefore nothing that is human is alien to me. You can and in a certain way are forced to examine others with your own values in play.

If upon examination you prefer the other values and change your own, is that not what the study of history or anthropology is supposed to make possible?

/lit/ is rife with strange, vaguely misogynistic frustrations.

[Anonymous No.3031090]

>>3031067
your fucking fault for treating them like slaves for thousands of years

[Anonymous No.3031102]

>>3031084
>There is nothing new under the sun, and I am a man, therefore nothing that is human is alien to me.

travel moar

[Anonymous No.3031114]

>>3031090
>human prehistory
>vast evidence of goddess worship for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years
>most complex tool is a sharpened rock
>women discover agriculture by accident
>neolithic male-dominated social organization within centuries
>city states within a few thousand years

>a few cultures remain matriarchal and matrilineal
>they are pacifist agricultural utopias
>patriarchal indo-europeans rapeconquer them
>mycenae, greece, rome, europe follow

Treating them as slaves is consistently the smartest thing to do

[Anonymous No.3031116]

>>3031067
such a prophet.

[Anonymous No.3031145]

>>3031090
the irony of this post in this thread

[Anonymous No.3031147]

>>3031084
>nothing that is human is alien to me
You would be surprised the amount of diversity in human acts/behaviors

[Anonymous No.3031148]

>>3031145
Well played

[Anonymous No.3031158]

>>3031084
>I am a man, therefore nothing that is human is alien to me
seconded and carried.

[Anonymous No.3031162]

>>3031090
You are actually blaming a man for an action he probably had no part in? On please God, let this be a troll and I'll follow you 'til the endof my days

[Anonymous No.3031198]

>>3031102
>>3031147

Do we not read enough to recognize those quotes? They are fairly well known. You'd be surprised how old they are.

[Anonymous No.3031207]

>>3031084

What is all this crap? Why is the above misogynistic?

Cultural anachronism is basically about stopping people putting modern values on to times like the Medieval period. People then had a completely different mind set so it's stupid to criticise them for actions and values that seem abhorrent to us but were the norm then.

[Anonymous No.3031248]

>>3031207
they have their judgements because that was their time, we have ours because this is our time. We shall be judged by history and we stand in judgement of history. You will never attain ahistoricity, don't try.

[Anonymous No.3031252]

>>3030956
Do you have an interesting story about how you first became interested in your subject?
If you don't make one up.
This story is now the first paragraph of your personal statement.
Now write about how all the subjects that are like yours are interesting but yours is the fucking best.
Then talk about how great and kind you are feel free to lie a little, just be sure they won't catch you out in an interview. Be sure to include any hobbies that make you sound unique and interesting (surprisingly reading is one of these).
Finally write a conclusion (this is by far the hardest part) and you're done.

[Anonymous No.3031271]

>>3031252

Not sure about all that crap. At least I remember my tutor in my first year discussing uni admissions and telling those of us there: "I don't care if you play the flute or starred in the school play. I only want to see how interested in learning this subject you are."

[Anonymous No.3031288]

>>3031271
That's exactly what I told him to do in the first 4 lines.

[Anonymous No.3031409]

>>3030908
No, not particularly. I've slowly come to the realisation that the historical profession is a microcosm of a microcosm of a microcosm and that attempts to produce historical knowledge by non-trained individuals are shit.

[Anonymous No.3031410]

>>3031207
>What is all this crap? Why is the above misogynistic?

I was referring to the board in general, but this thread will do.
...

>>3031057 This is the exact sort of shit that some people knew would happen when they started letting women into higher education.

>>3031067 But how will we endure the intermediate stage it brings with it, which itself can last a few centuries, during which female follies and injustices, their ancient birthright, still claim predominance over everything they will have learned or achieved? This will be the time when anger will constitute the real male emotion, anger over the fact that all the arts and sciences will be overrun and clogged up by shocking dilettantism; bewildering chatter will talk philosophy to death; politics will be more fantastic and partisan than ever; society will be in complete dissolution because women, the preservers of the old custom, will have become ludicrous in their own eyes, and will be intent on standing outside custom in every way.

>>3031013 1 or 2 men/boys who can quote Gibbon and Homer, 30 future housewives who wanted to teach but didnt read, understand science, or comprehend math.

I suppose one could think this isn't misogynistic if one thought dilettantes were a new phenomenon of the last hundred years, or if it were a universally bad thing for fields of study to grow them, or that professors didn't consider all undergrads dilettantes by definition, or that one field's or even one class's dilettante could never be another's expert.

We would not even have secular literature if court diplomats, wine merchants and (especially) clerical students, the ones universities were originally created to mint, hadn't frittered away their productive time studying stupid little romances and dabbling in little pieces of sonnets and arabesque tales.

[Anonymous No.3031411]

>implying America wasn't better when women weren't allowed to vote

[Anonymous No.3031418]

>>3030991
>promoting leftist values is basically the only objective of humanity departments. they certainly aren't concerned with education or vocational training.

Sir. You appear to be from >>>/pol/. You're faced with two responsibilities if you are choosing to read /lit/. Firstly, and preferentially, support your arguments with evidence and cease making rhetorical claims that are obvious fallacies (like an argument that obviously and falsely totalises). Or, secondly, go forth from this place and return to that stinking mire of poor argument from which you came.

Your suggestion that "education" and "vocational training" are not taught by humanities departments is demonstrably false in the first instance, and questionable in the second. Attending a university that offers vocational courses is in itself suspect. If you're going to go no-true-scotsman then please fuck yourself in the face to death.

[Anonymous No.3031428]

>>3031418

[Anonymous No.3031435]

>>3031428
Fallacious distraction, minor ad hominem.

[Anonymous No.3031440]

>>3031428
Oh my God.

WUT YOU DISAGREE WITH MY HATRED OF HUMANITY DEPARTMENTS?
THEN YOU MUST BE A DIRTY LEFTIST.

Make it go away /lit/. Make the corruption of /pol/ go away.

[Anonymous No.3031442]

>>3031410
Women get more college degrees than men. Women get almost no "difficult" degrees, hard science degrees, or postgraduate degrees relative to men.

Women are dilettantes.

[Anonymous No.3031455]

>>3031442
It would be better to say that women largely get degrees to get jobs—teaching in the Humanities. The BA/BEd is why many humanities departments survive. 30-50% of their funding derives from BA/BEd students.

Someone who is only taking her history degree so that she can treat different rooms full of 17 year olds as her substitute social children for 42 years is unlikely to want to engage with disciplinary history. The better kind of secondary teacher would, but that would require our secondary systems to be education systems instead of prisons for youth training them for labour discipline compliance.

[Anonymous No.3031457]

>>3031442
Men are pigs and dogs.

[Anonymous No.3031463]

[Anonymous No.3031466]

>>3031463
oy vey

[Anonymous No.3031469]

[Anonymous No.3031488]

[Anonymous No.3031500]

Oh boy, here comes /pol/

[Anonymous No.3031508]

[Anonymous No.3031519]

jesus fuck I hate /pol/

at least /lit/ recognizes that their alienation from society has to do with their sad selves and that whatever figment of the mind that this is represented by (marxistleftisttransgenderbullshit, by /pol/'s standards) is just a product of their schizoid solipsist view of life.

just go away, you're just as bad as the dogma you're so desperately trying to wake us from

[Anonymous No.3031521]

[Anonymous No.3031524]

>>3031519
You are alienated from society yet still believe every politically correct thing you've been taught. I'm sorry you're not intelligent enough to question cultural norms.

[Anonymous No.3031528]

>>3031521
>only testimony given is that of the prosecuted
I guess she must be innocent then

[Anonymous No.3031530]

>>3031524
I'm better than you.

[Anonymous No.3031537]

>>3031530
>14 year old girl ever taken to police station for racism

Shows how indoctrinated by the Jews you are breh

[Screwtape !!tdBUE9PLvpz No.3031539]

>>3031463
where is that needle coming from, it looks like the record's going to get damaged
http://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/article/2062/the-dark-enlightenment-part-4a

and we didn't even get to go into the good parts of history, Roman penis charms that threaten intruders with rape and all that. Spartan women had it pretty good tho according to some scholars etc etc

[Anonymous No.3031540]

>people can't tell the difference between a tolerant multiracial society and an abhorrent multicultural socity

[Anonymous No.3031544]

>>3031442
>Women get more college degrees than men. Women get almost no "difficult" degrees, hard science degrees, or postgraduate degrees relative to men.
>Women are dilettantes.

Actually, among US citizens, women have earned more postgraduate degrees then men since 2002.

According to the National Science Foundation:
>Women are becoming increasingly prevalent with each new cohort of doctorate recipients, earning a majority of all doctorates awarded to U.S. citizens and permanent residents every year since 2002, and earning one-third of all doctorates awarded to temporary visa holders over that period.

That said, again, I have no idea why you or the majority of /lit/ defaults to "remove this class of people I don't like" when troubleshooting education or society. Where does the idea that dilettantism is a primarily female problem come from?

[Anonymous No.3031546]

>>3031524
this is what I'm talking about, you're making baseless assumptions on whatever my beliefs might be because your zealous shitty crusade is somehow righteous to you.

Well then, allow me to do the same: your mundane efforts in trying to identify, at the very least(!), with your cultural heritage is your last resort. But within time you will find even that bastion has abandoned you and you will have to face loneliness like all of us. and then you will either A. accept the absurdity of humanity and simply try to get along with people B. just kill yourself (not even close to as glorious as you imagine it would be though, because deep with in you're just a pleb).

I'm rooting for B.

[Anonymous No.3031547]

Contemporary liberalism honors diversity and tolerance above all, but what it calls by those names is different from what has been so called in the past. Its diversity denigrates and excludes ordinary people, and its tolerance requires speech codes, quotas, and compulsory training in correct opinions and attitudes. Nor do current liberal totems and tabus have a clear connection with letting people live as they wish. Prohibitions, both grand and petty, multiply. To outsiders the rules often seem simply arbitrary: prayer is forbidden while instruction in the use of condoms is required; smoking and furs are outrages, abortion and sodomy fundamental rights.

Many of these oddities can be explained by reference to the specific understanding of tolerance held by contemporary liberals. "Tolerance" is traditionally understood procedurally, to mean letting people do what they want. Contemporary liberals understand it substantively, to require equal respect as a fact of social life. These understandings are radically inconsistent. As a political matter, procedural tolerance calls for laissez-faire, while substantive tolerance requires pervasive administrative control of social life. A regime that adopts substantive tolerance as its goal must be intolerant procedurally because it must control the attitudes people have toward each other, and any serious attempt to do so will require means that are unforgiving and despotic.

[Anonymous No.3031549]

>>3031544
if you only count real majors, women get like 2%

[Anonymous No.3031550]

>>3031539
You mean you don't currently wear a penis charm…?

/pol/ obviously has the shits that people wanted to talk about the structure of anachronism in historiography. That's sad, but it means our discussion of whether Spartan women had it bad or not (I posit that they had it exactly as bad as the men, but their society was still patriarchal) will be clouded in shit from people who idealise Greeks as pseudo-Aryans or some other crap.

For one, the /pol/ construction of power and discourse in history—they effectively have imported the liberal-bourgeois "privilege" concept, this suits given that /pol/ are basically conservative and fascistic liberals in that they believe in the enlightenment concept of individual identity, is simply "privilege" and "cultural oppression." /pol/ are continuously claiming that they fight against privilege checking, when their conception of racial contest is basically a claim about oppressed privilege.

This means, once again, no penis charm discussion.

[Anonymous No.3031554]

why is /pol/ relentlessly shitting up /lit/ today?

[Anonymous No.3031556]

>>3031524
Reverse that and you are the sheep being manipulated by propaganda images. You can't think beyond what's written in poorly crafted pics from the asshole of the internet. You actually believe someone who took 2 seconds to take a screenshot of a webpage has a better idea of what's going on that someone writing a dedicated researched and reviewed article.

[Anonymous No.3031557]

>>3031554
>why are people questioning the status quo? it's so comfortable!!

[Anonymous No.3031560]

>>3031546
Your knee-jerk reactions against political incorrectness betray your typical liberal sensibilities.

>omg you dont like white countries being invaded by foreigners? kill yourself!

[Anonymous No.3031561]

>>3031549

You keep changing the rules under which your little misogynist theory can be shown incorrect, and each response is something you pulled out of your ass. You say you believe what you do because you are completely alienated from society. Are you completely alienated from being incorrect as well?

[Anonymous No.3031567]

>>3031547
Read some Foucault. He's wrong in an interesting way about this. The systems of the enlightenment are being turned on their head, from practices of human freedom into practices of human bondage. Guy Debord is actually probably better on this point, but you're probably not up to it. Your observation:
>substantive tolerance requires pervasive administrative control of social life
is correct, because this is the only way to achieve labour discipline in the advanced West while running 50% un- and under-employment.

Compulsory sodomy is about keeping right wing uneducated workers under constant policing, and criminalising their rather mundane suggestion that bourgeois faggots ought to fuck themselves raw.

The very construction of this as "straight-privilege" is problematic, because it distracts from the central issue of the subjugation of the working class industrially. Society privileges distinct legal modes of being in its total system of cultural surveillance, merely to hide the real and material oppression in the labour process and by exclusion from the labour process of the proletariat.

FUCK YOU BOURGEOIS TRANSVESTITES

[Anonymous No.3031568]

>>3031554
Because they are relentless answerers, who provide their answers in the form of a question.

[Anonymous No.3031569]

>>3031560
>white countries

lel

[Anonymous No.3031570]

>>3031557
>implying your plebian "opinions" aren't the status quo in your incestous circlejerk
>impyling that what you're doing isn't just an act of mutual masturbation and somehow is relevant to my everday life

Please enlighten me more of your highly intellectual views of society.

[Anonymous No.3031572]

ITT: brainwashed American trying to defeat his self-made characters

[Anonymous No.3031574]

>>3031569
>lel
lel

Am I doing it right?

[Anonymous No.3031576]

>>3031561
>conflating anonymous posts because everyone you disagree with is an amalgamated strawman gestalt of pure evil

Your a dumbas

>You keep changing the rules

How about the relative amounts of men and women getting postgrad degrees in stem majors and all "traditional" majors, e.g. existing before 1960

I’m sure you’re expecting me to talk about Larry Summers at some point, so let’s get it over with! You recall, he was the president of Harvard. As summarized in The Economist, “Mr Summers infuriated the feminist establishment by wondering out loud whether the prejudice alone could explain the shortage of women at the top of science.” After initially saying, it’s possible that maybe there aren’t as many women physics professors at Harvard because there aren’t as many women as men with that high innate ability, just one possible explanation among others, he had to apologize, retract, promise huge sums of money, and not long afterward he resigned.

What was his crime? Nobody accused him of actually discriminating against women. His misdeed was to think thoughts that are not allowed to be thought, namely that there might be more men with high ability. The only permissible explanation for the lack of top women scientists is patriarchy — that men are conspiring to keep women down.

[Anonymous No.3031578]

Keep the goddamn Irish out!
This is a protestant country, and they are popish filth.

[sage No.3031582]

>>3031568
this.

They should learn that awareness is raised by real questioning.

[Anonymous No.3031581]

>>3031570
LOL I find it funny that liberals still think their politically correct "everyone is equal" anti-white mentality is rebellious.

[Anonymous No.3031583]

>>3031570
>doesn't understand what status quo means
>puts scare quotes around things for no reason and doesn't even understand how scare quotes work
>meaningless fallacies
>retard tier sentence structure


Black women detected.

[Anonymous No.3031584]

>>3031557
you're not disrupting the foundations of liberal society. you're making a place that has function in providing a jovial environment to discuss literature etc tedious.

goodnight

[Anonymous No.3031586]

>>3031570
>implying the opinions fed to you by society are somehow correct because they are popular

inb4 "well do you think you're smarter than my college professor?!?" appeal to authority

[Anonymous No.3031587]

>>3031581
>"everyone is equal"
>anti-white

Also, isn't that the basis for America anyway?

[Anonymous No.3031594]

>>3031587
If you knew anything about history you would know that Africans were considered 3/5 of a person.

[Anonymous No.3031599]

>>3031586
Argumentum anti populum is just as bad as an argument from authority.

[Anonymous No.3031602]

Do we hear governments, the mass media, and academia calling for Japan to bring in millions of non-Japanese people and assimilate with them because they're "not diverse enough"?
Why are they doing this in ALL and ONLY White countries?
Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.
____________________________________________________________
No one says a neighborhood that is 100% black needs more diversity.
No one says a neighborhood that is 100% asian needs more diversity.
No one says a neighborhood that is 100% Latino needs more diversity.
They are already 100% diverse.
All white neighborhoods and only white neighborhoods always need to be more diverse. White neighborhoods only stop needing to be more diverse when there are no white people left in them.
Diversity is a codeword for white genocide.
__________________________________________________________________
Anti-whites say there is this RACE problem. Anti-whites say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.
Anti-whites say the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to "assimilate," i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.
This is a policy of White genocide.
"Anti-racist" is code-word for anti-white.
Diversity and Multiculturalism are codewords for WHITE GENOCIDE

[Anonymous No.3031610]

>>3031587
I agree with equality of opportunity, which is guaranteed in the US constitution. I don't agree with forced equality of outcome, like many liberals do.

Even if economic conditions prevent certain groups from having the same amount of opportunities in general, I don't think it's the government's job to artificially give them opportunities.

[Anonymous No.3031611]

>>3031602
>only white neighborhoods always need to be more diverse.

Because we want to whitewash the rest, genius. We don't need niggers acting like latinos or vice versa.

[Anonymous No.3031612]

>>3031584
>This internet forum isn't suited to tedious discussions (i.e. things I disagree with)

>Now if you'll excuse me I have to go write another nine essays for my History of Ancient Greece course about how women were domestics and that's evil.

[Anonymous No.3031613]

We have massive immigration into all white countries, and it is only being forced on white countries. We have forced integration of all these non-whites. Anti-whites call themselves anti-racists and promote intermarriage and condemn people who oppose intermarriage. And then they talk about a brown future in formerly white countries.
YOU ANTI-WHITES are part of this program of genocide against my race, the white race.
We must never protect White people in their view. They are anti-white.

___________________________________________________________________
Asia for the Asians. Africa for the Africans. White countries for everybody. It isn't an African problem. Nobody is flooding Africa with non-Africans and giving them affirmative action, special rights and privileges and free health care. Only white countries are doing this. Only white leaders are supporting this. Only white children are suffering from it. It is genocide.
ANTI-RACIST IS JUST ANOTHER CODEWORD FOR THE ANTI-WHITE
DIVERSITY == SYSTEM OF WHITE GENOCIDE-BY-ASSIMILATION!!!

[Anonymous No.3031616]

>>3031583

Status quo- the current state of affairs. The status quo within a group of people supporting certain ideas must then be these certain ideas. How can you misinterpret this?

"Opinions"- as in I don't consider these things to be opinions; I think of them as dogma.

>meaningless fallacies
>retard tier sentence structure

>Black women detected.

Do I even have to address this? At the very least you yourself are guilty of the former one.

[Anonymous No.3031618]

/thread

[Anonymous No.3031622]

>>3031616
>someone says "you support the status quo"
>retort with "well YOU support the status quo relative to the group of people who disagree with you!!"
>don't realize how retarded this is

Woman

Black

Dumb

[Anonymous No.3031624]

Funny how the "Melting Pot" agenda is being pushed in EVERY white nation on the face of planet earth.

No one says "Japan" needs to become a "Melting Pot".

No one says China, Africa, Mexico, Haiti, or Israel should be deluged with massive random, foreign populations to demonstrate how "moral" they are, or to "enrich" their sorely lacking culture.
It's a program to eliminate white people from existence, plain and simple.
It's a form of Genocide under International Law.

_____________________________________________________

Anti-Whites say there should be no White Countries ✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no White Towns ✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no White Neighbourhoods ✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no White Schools✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no White Classes ✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no White Sports ✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no White Anything ✓
Anti-Whites say there should be no Whites
Anti racism is a code word for anti White

[Anonymous No.3031629]

GEE I SURE LOVE BEING ANONYMOUS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS ME TO ACT LIKE A RETARD

BLACK PEOPLE SUCK, WHITES ROCK. IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE DELUSIONAL AND SUBSCRIBE TO MARXIST PROPAGANDA.

WHAT? I'M RETARDED? NO, IT'S JUST DOGMA THAT MAKES YOU SAY THIS. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.3031630]

>>3031602
>Why are they doing this in ALL and ONLY White countries?

In 26 years living in a 'white country' I have never heard anyone say that we need immigration to be more diverse.

[Anonymous No.3031634]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCQKHt9Yt8

>evolution can affect everything from height to susceptibility to diseases, but there is absolutely no way it could affect intelligence
>this is what liberals actually believe

I'm waiting for the cognitive dissonance.

[Anonymous No.3031636]

>>3031610
>forced equality
>actual liberalism

I don't blame you though. I blame your country's distorted politics.

And last time I checked people were for equal opportunities, not affirmative action.

Quotas are not legal in the United States. No employer, university, or other entity may create a set number required for each race.[6]

In Sweden, the Supreme Court has ruled that "affirmative action" ethnic quotas in universities are discrimination and hence unlawful. It said that the requirements for the intake should be the same for all. The Justice Chancellor said that the decision left no room for uncertainty.[7]

[Anonymous No.3031637]

>>3031602
it's a lot easier for white people to live in black/asian dominated neighborhoods than it is for black people to get into white dominated neighborhoods.
In fact, white people frequently live in black or asian neighborhoods particularly among poor areas.
Blacks living in white neghborhoods is much less common.

[Anonymous No.3031641]

ITT: liberals meet the uncomfortable truth for the first time

>this isn't what my marxist transexual biracial sociology professor told me at all! don't they know that diversity is strength? unless it's colonialism. fuck europe

[Anonymous No.3031642]

>>3031612
Yes, but we could make a cross cultural comparison between women as domestics in Greek society and women as domestics in Norse society, and demonstrate that women in Greek society were castigated by men in literature and by women-acting-as-men in the hetaera and ridiculed whereas Norse women were celebrated for their domestic oeconomy.

Then we'd go further and point out that patriarchy in Greece was related to, say, this incredibly vulnerable phallic construct, and that Greek men feared their women. Whereas in Norse society, with more powerful women, women weren't feared but considered as differently engaged peers.

And then we've got a comparative history of domestic production and gender.

But no…if we actually interrogate the grounds of an anachronistic comparison we might have to use our historiography and that's haaaard. Lets post pictures of Jewish people instead.

[Anonymous No.3031645]

>>3031629
Typical liberal lashing out with strawman arguments because he has been intellectually pummeled.

[Anonymous No.3031646]

GEE I SURE LOVE BEING ANONYMOUS BECAUSE IT ALLOWS ME TO ACT LIKE A RETARD

WHITE PEOPLE SUCK, BLACK ROCK. IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE DELUSIONAL AND SUBSCRIBE TO FASCIST PROPAGANDA

WHAT? I'M RETARDED? NO, IT'S JUST DOGMA THAT MAKES YOU SAY THIS. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.3031647]

>>3031641
where?

[Anonymous No.3031649]

>>3031624
>No one says "Japan" needs to become a "Melting Pot".

I was reading an article in... The Spectator, I think, whilst waiting for a train. Was going on about Japan's demographic crisis and it was totally fine about Japan being monocultural and not wanting immigrants (and also attempting to solve its population crisis via ROBOTS).

[Anonymous No.3031650]

>>3031642
>greek men feared their women

[Anonymous No.3031652]

>>3031642
Wow! How did you write the same thesis statement as the other 950 girls in my history department?

Tip to save on ink: they're letting you shorten it to just "Men Are Bad" now.

[Anonymous No.3031656]

>>3031637
You poor sheltered college kid. Protip: there's a reason white people avoid being alone in black neighborhoods
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlprKFftUe4

[Anonymous No.3031657]

>>3031652
You have an enrolment of 950 in a post-graduate course on public history engagement for right wing racists?

[Anonymous No.3031658]

>>3031645
>that picture
>if I say it in a funny voice I might discredit some logically sound ideas

No.

[Anonymous No.3031659]

>>3031650
That's what feminists tell themselves to feel better about their inferiority. If men don't like sluts it's because they are just intimidated and can't appreciate a strong independent woman.

[Anonymous No.3031661]

>>3031622
How is it retarded? You accuse me of fallacies but you're not very elaborate yourself.

You perceive it as being the status quo in society. But in these domains, especially this thread, it's definitely the status quo. I mean propagating xenophobia in Japan wouldn't be challenging the status quo- even if propagating xenophobia in Europe would be challening the status quo.

Inb4 another meaningless ad hominem about ethnicity or gender.

[Anonymous No.3031662]

>>3031656
Protip: there's a reason white people avoid being alone in black neighborhoods and it's not because they're black per se

[Anonymous No.3031663]

>>3031634
>human breeds

How cute! Do you believe in the Loch Ness monster as well?

[Anonymous No.3031667]

>complain about rampant hedonism on /lit
>INSTABAN
>complain about white privilege on /lit/
>thread stays around for ages and garners hundreds of replies
Why is /lit/ so shitty?

[Anonymous No.3031668]

>>3031662
>A United States Department of Justice report which surveyed homicide statistics between 1974 and 2004 stated that of the crimes surveyed, 52.2% of the offenders were Black, despite making up only 12% of the population.

I wonder why.

[Anonymous No.3031669]

>>3031661
The status quo to the homeless guy down the street is that green moon men rule the earth

The status quo to my dog is that farting rules and you should eat as much grass as possible so you can fart more

"The status quo" can generally be inferred to mean "the general/majority consensus" though, not relative to random groups and individuals. It can be inferred to mean this on the basis that it would be meaningless otherwise, and that's actually what the people who say it are trying to convey.

[Anonymous No.3031672]

>>3031645
The straw man arguments espoused by this comic reflects everything the stormfront brigade has said this thread. No one acts like that.

[Anonymous No.3031673]

>>3031663
>no argument

Is this the best liberals can do?

[Anonymous No.3031679]

>>3031656
>: there's a reason white people avoid being alone in black neighborhoods
Thy are poorer. BECAUSE OF RACISM.

[Anonymous No.3031681]

>>3031659
You need to read more Greek history. Greek men feared their captive women. The anxiety was one of quiet domestic castration, not of public women. The Greeks feared their bitches, not their whores. (They loved their whores.)

For fucks sake, this is the basis of Western culture and you right wing shites don't even know or own the literature claimed by your own ideology…

[Anonymous No.3031686]

>>3031668
poverty and racism. duh. this is shit is obvious.

[Anonymous No.3031689]

>>3031681

[Anonymous No.3031691]

>>3031673
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm

No, that's the best I can do and its far better than anything you can do.

[Anonymous No.3031692]

>>3031662
>>3031679
Regardless of the details, the person who said white people have an easier time in black neighborhoods is demonstrably incorrect.

[Anonymous No.3031693]

>>3031681
>if I repeat things I learned in my women's studies class enough times maybe it will be true

[Anonymous No.3031695]

>>3031686
>Niggers stab someone. But it's the fault of poverty. And poverty is the fault of whites, the Eternal Patriarchal Tyranny of the Same.

Your problem is when your mutilated circumcised penis Jew brainwashing indoctrination makes you immediately jump from "A nigger did something bad.." to "What is the causal link to a white?"

[Anonymous No.3031696]

>>3031693
Who are you quoting.

http://drama.eserver.org/plays/classical/aristophanes/lysistrata.txt

[Anonymous No.3031697]

>>3031679
>jews come to American after the holocaust
>they now make more than whites
>Asians were put in camps by liberal hero Roosevelt
>they now make more money than whites

We sure are selective about who we oppressive with racism, aren't we?

[Anonymous No.3031698]

>>3031669
I think you misunderstood. The issue isn't with me understanding the definition of status quo, the issue is within the propagator not understanding the irony of them "challenging the status quo". If anything you're just grasping at straws to make me seem semantically fallable.

[Anonymous No.3031700]

>>3031686
>>3031679

[Anonymous No.3031701]

>>3031695
So straw man. I'm not jewish

and you are ignoring the well determined correlation between crime and poverty.

[Anonymous No.3031702]

are you implying that there is an objective status quo? I think you're out on deep waters, son. This is the home of solipsism. not that I mind you challenging THAT status quo.

[Anonymous No.3031703]

>>3031691
That unscientific argument has been long debunked.

http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/

Read up.

[Anonymous No.3031705]

>>3031634
Exposure/environment has a much more impact on your person.

I could lock Einstein up for his entire life and he'd be an absolute retard when I let him out.

[Anonymous No.3031707]

>>3031698
But you're still an incoherent status quo hugging douche.

[Anonymous No.3031711]

>>3031697
Never accused whites exclusively on racism, dude. Your insecurity is showing.

[Anonymous No.3031712]

>>3031701
That's funny because poor homogeneous white towns commit much less crime per capita than poor black infested towns.

[Anonymous No.3031714]

this thread
is shit-
everyone posting in it
is shit
in fact, the whole world
is shit
please ceas with th
is shit

sincerely yours,

[Anonymous No.3031715]

>>3031701
You are ignoring the fact that jurisprudence not only does not but cannot take extenuating deterministic circumstances into account because it would undermine the entire system of deterrence. You are doing so because you realllllly want to be what you perceive as counter-cultural to the patriarchal white male boogeyman.

[Anonymous No.3031721]

>>3031705
Looks like you haven't seen any twin studies concerning IQ, it's largely genetic.

[Anonymous No.3031724]

>>3031712
Patently false.

[Anonymous No.3031725]

>>3031712
And you're claiming this is because their skin color is white?

[Anonymous No.3031726]

>>3031703
>long been debunked
>presents no evidence, just a mass of links

I thought white people were supposed to be more intelligent? Or is that just other white people?

[Anonymous No.3031728]

Facts are racist.

[Anonymous No.3031729]

>>3031721
>IQ

[Anonymous No.3031731]

>>3031725
You know that blacks are taller than Asians right on average right? I didn't know people actually still believed that race is a social construct.

[Anonymous No.3031733]

>>3031721
Twin studies assume the environment is sufficiently different (to point to genetic domination behind variation) when it is often not the case.

[Anonymous No.3031735]

>>3031707
In the end that was all you were capable of.

If that's your game:

you're an ignorant plebian bigot. I truthfully hope a transgender niggerjew ravages your sphcinter and makes it bleed like a barren vietnamese woman. now that'd be traumatic for one of your kind.

[Anonymous No.3031737]

>>3031733
No they don't, you're just making thing up to protect the politically correct narrative that you were taught like a good little sheep.

[Anonymous No.3031738]

>>3031726
I'm Mexican. And the sources are all compiled conveniently in that link if you bother to visit it.

Trust me. I used to be a naive liberal too. Facing uncomfortable truths is part of growing up. The only valid reason for you to NOT read some stuff there is because you're afraid it'll conflict with what you want(and have been conditioned) to believe.

[Anonymous No.3031739]

fuck the right-wing

[Anonymous No.3031740]

>>3031715
We're not talking about what the courts say. We're talking about science.

You're dodging the issue, lol

[Anonymous No.3031741]

>>3031735
>you're an ignorant plebian bigot

Liberals proving >>3031645 right I see. Tolerant until you have a different opinion.

[Anonymous No.3031743]

>>3031737
You just made that up.

[Anonymous No.3031745]

>>3031738
fuck off beaner

killing you will even be easier, get the fuck out of my country and go back to getting raped by druglords

[Anonymous No.3031747]

>>3031721
It's not like 140 IQ would make you a quantum physics expert. Once you get past the 100 mark it's more about who has the most knowledge and experience.

[Anonymous No.3031750]

>>3031728
>implying correlation means causation

[Anonymous No.3031751]

>>3031741
>implying people hate whites as much as you hate black people

[Screwtape !!tdBUE9PLvpz No.3031752]

>>3031693
>>3031689
>that awkward moment when the greatest of men was killed by his wife

>>3031728
"If the facts do not fit to the theory, the worse for the facts."
IT IS IN "HEGEL" PEOPLE

[Anonymous No.3031753]

>>3031739
rock on dude! go give your queer theory professor a high five for telling us evil right wingers off!

[Anonymous No.3031755]

>>3031731
I didn't know people couldn't distinguish between race and culture in 2012.

[Anonymous No.3031757]

>>3031743
There's no other reason to deny reality other than you can't face the truth. What you said about twin studies just isn't true, but it's a convenient lie for your fragile psyche.

[Anonymous No.3031758]

>>3031752
Well, that's kind of why Marx had to put social being before ideology. Hegel worships the geist like he was Althusser.

[Anonymous No.3031760]

>>3031731
>You know that blacks are taller than Asians right on average right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy_peoples

Dem tall pygmies

[Anonymous No.3031761]

>>3031757
>What you said about twin studies just isn't true
Except you just lied there.

[Anonymous No.3031764]

>>3031739
>cornered liberals lashes out with ad hominem attacks when proven wrong

Shocker.

[Anonymous No.3031766]

>>3031760
>B-But I know a tall Asian guy!

Are you being serious?

[Anonymous No.3031765]

>gender roles
>2012

haha, good luck enforcing that, fucking neo-cons

[Anonymous No.3031774]

>>3031765
Yeah no way the left wing media will ever stop demonizing the role of the house wife. Maybe once disaster strikes and women realize how lucky they are that men treat them well, we'll see a return to our biological gender roles.

"You'll never find a feminist in a burning building."

[Anonymous No.3031767]

>>3031740
Punish niggers for crime. Punish them until they stop. Don't make excuses for crime, or the effect of deterrence is lessened.

[Anonymous No.3031768]

>>3031766
>statistics
meaningless babby math

[Anonymous No.3031770]

>thinking the bell curve data affects how we should approach individual learning
ISHYGDDT

[Anonymous No.3031771]

>>3031764
>thinks 'fuck the right-wing' is an ad hominem attack

[Anonymous No.3031777]

>>3031765
>denying biological differences between men and women
>2012

[Anonymous No.3031778]

>>3031767
You're distracting from the original point of discussion which was what caused crime. there is more solid evidence for poverty as that answer than race.

[Anonymous No.3031779]

>>3031766
>thinks 'black people' have anything in common other than the colour of their skin

Are you serious?

[Anonymous No.3031783]

>>3031774
Sorry, I want partner that I can consider an equal and respect.

>housewife

hahaha, yeah good luck getting respect from me then

you sound like a faggot who wishes he was a housewife

fuck biology too, transcend it by willpower and then later technology after proving ourselves worthy

deal with it, christfag

[Anonymous No.3031784]

>>3031768
Yes, your anecdotal exceptions to widely observed generalizations are definitely more valid than statistics that support them.

[Anonymous No.3031788]

>>3031741
>>3031741
>stormfags aren't capable of imagining that one of a different opinion is something else than a liberal
>doesn't understand the irony in their black-and-white view of every issue
>I continue being a solipsistic relativist and you can't touch me, stormfag

[Anonymous No.3031789]

>>3031779
Jesus you're brainwashed. Different races store fat differently, they are different heights, they have different eye, nose and mouth shapes, they have different brain sizes and different levels of susceptibility to diseases. Race isn't just a "color", you are fucking delusional.

[Anonymous No.3031790]

>>3031774
I'm sorry but many left-wing scholars have lionised the housewife. Selma James and Mariarosa Dalla Costa. Left-wing academics, including non-Marxists such as Keynsians have tried to evaluate the role of domestic labour in capitalism. And a great deal of left-wing cultural studies of class focuses, for example, on the role of the cookbook in inflicting domestic reproduction on women and constructing their identity—such inflicted productive responsibility is _valued_ highly in these discourses, but the totalisation of female identity by the state (with state cookbooks in schools) is called into question as a transfer of power from mother-daughter to state-wife.

Lefties love housewives.

[Anonymous No.3031785]

I have left
a shit
post on your
/lit/ board

and which
you probably think
is
best board

Forgive me
I have no
talent as
you can see

[Anonymous No.3031786]

>>3031778
I agree, but constantly making reference to how the poverty boogeyman causes blacks to be awful people is what has made them awful people for a century.

[Anonymous No.3031787]

>>3031777
men are pigs and dogs.

deal with it, closeted homosexual christfag

[Anonymous No.3031791]

>>3031777
genitals are biological. hormones are biological. Chromosomes are biological.

masculinity and femininity are cultural.

and there is no consistent pattern between these two.

[Anonymous No.3031792]

>>3031778
The original point of the discussion was anachronism in history, see:
>>3030908

[Anonymous No.3031794]

>>3031790
>lefties love housewives
>if you imply that women should raise they children and stay at home you are suddenly a misogynist

[Anonymous No.3031795]

>>3031783
I'm not religious. And unlike you, I don't rebel against tradition for the sake of it because I'm no longer 16. You'd do well to listen to the wisdom of past generations. If you're open minded enough, that is. ;)

[Anonymous No.3031798]

>>3031786
You've just replaced race with ' constantly making reference' in your original argument.
Poverty 'causes blacks to be awful people is what has made them awful people for a century'

[Anonymous No.3031800]

>>3031794
>>if you imply that women should raise they children and stay at home you are suddenly a misogynist
Uh, Selma and Mariarosa did just this, by claiming women should be paid by the state for housework and child minding. And they're celebrated by feminists everywhere—even though their argument was more about the revolutionary emancipation of the working class as a whole, instead of some liberal-feminist bourgeois claptrap.

[Anonymous No.3031801]

>>3031791
There is no consistent pattern between testosterone levels and masculinity, and estrogen levels and femininity? You can't be serious.

[Anonymous No.3031804]

>>3031791
No, it's really simple. Our concepts of masculine and feminine are directly related to the biological differences between males and females. To try and remove the obvious biological influence and pretend the concepts are entirely cultural is dishonest and misleading.

[Anonymous No.3031805]

>>3031791
Don't start. He seriously can't tell the difference.

[Anonymous No.3031806]

>>3031791
We need more categories to divide things into so I can be a trans-penile cultural womanman chromosomal intergender cumquat

[Anonymous No.3031799]

>>3031795
>listen to "wisdom" of past-generations because i say so
> ;)

>i'm not religious
>still traditional christfag

fuck your horrible materialistic nihilistic reality faggot

[Anonymous No.3031809]

WELL THEN FINALLY THE TIME HAS COME

WHEN /lit/ TURNS INTO SHIT

THE SUBJECT OF DISCUSSION WASN'T THAT BAD

BUT /lit/ TURNED INTO SHIT

IN FACT THERE ARE MANY EDUCATED AND KIND OF INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD

BUT /lit/ TURNED INTO SHIT

WHOSE FAULT WAS IT?

/pol/ SOME SAID,

LIBERALS SOME SAID,

BUT IT WAS /lit/

THAT TURNED INTO SHIT.

[Anonymous No.3031810]

>>3031791
Let's get this shit started.

>liberals

[Anonymous No.3031811]

>>3031789
Yeah, black people all store fat the same, are all taller, all have distinctive facial features, all have smaller brains and are all susceptible to the same diseases.

Except that black people from different parts of Africa have fuck all in common when it comes to the things you just listed. And you don;t have a shred of evidence to prove otherwise.

[Anonymous No.3031812]

>>3031801
Yes, you do get very manly gay people.

[Anonymous No.3031814]

>>3031806
And here we go. /pol/ can't differentiate analysis from systems of control; it can't differentiate the "My poof mate Brian" from bourgeois queers.

/pol/ lacks any capacity for social analysis, probably because they put up with shonky argumentation and rhetorical fallacies all the time.

[Anonymous No.3031816]

>>3031801
Define masculinity and femininity.

If you mean "gain muscle" and "make babies" then you're dumb as hell.

[Anonymous No.3031817]

>>3031811
>
Yeah, black people all store fat the same, are all taller, all have distinctive facial features, all have smaller brains and are all susceptible to the same diseases.

What are averages? Nice attempt at a strawman.

[Anonymous No.3031823]

>>3031799
I don't understand why you're being so abrasive. I'm suggesting that you give tradition more than a dismissive glance. Look at the reasoning behind it beyond "omg evil patriarchy cis privilege".

[Anonymous No.3031824]

Pictured, a fulfilled and authentic liberal individual

[Anonymous No.3031825]

>implying personality is based on hormones
Explain my 800 test levels and inherent feminine nature?

[Anonymous No.3031826]

>>3031788
>black-and-white view of every issue
>black-and-white view

Dohohohohohoohoh

[Anonymous No.3031829]

>>3031814
Dude, I'm on your fucking side. Calm down. I'm actually a postqueer type 3 acissexual male, but my cultural gender is female and my psychological sex is 7.

[Anonymous No.3031830]

>>3031810
>stormtards
>always trying to end the argument prematurely to preserve their dignity

pick two

[Anonymous No.3031834]

>>3031823
Perhaps if they could make an argument beyond
>omg evil patriarchy cis privilege
it would be worthwhile.

So far I've only seen leftists and nihilists making good arguments in favour of social institutions celebrated by the right. That's pretty bad. I mean I know right-wing politics correlates with /pol/-tardation, but I would have thought that the literate conservatives who frequent /lit/ and continuously defend canonicity and the classics would be here to defend, for example, the family with cogent argument.

[Anonymous No.3031836]

>>3031817
What are averages? Meaningless. If we took all 'white' people and all 'asian' people and compared them to all 'black' people we would probably find that on average the white and asian group is shorter on average. Does that mean we can group white and asian together as one race?

[Anonymous No.3031837]

you people have your own board
go away

[Anonymous No.3031838]

>>3031829
lold so hard

[Anonymous No.3031839]

>>3031816
>Masculinity is possessing qualities or characteristics typical of a man
>Femininity is possessing qualities or characteristics typical of a woman

You are denying the testosterone correlates with behaviors considered masculine?

[Anonymous No.3031840]

>>3031837
>"I don't like. I don't like it go to /pol/ >: ( :@" count: 83

[Anonymous No.3031844]

>>3031829
No mate, you're not. You're some kind of queer and I love you, but you've bought into the liberal-bourgeois discourse of specificity of identity and privilege. Identity politics is a dead end for human liberation.

[Anonymous No.3031846]

>>3031839
dat circular reasoning

[Anonymous No.3031848]

>>3031834
As a literate conservative who continuously defends classics I do not see any purpose in entering this morbide excuse for a discussion.

There is no merit in the arguments and nothing of interest to be found.

[Anonymous No.3031850]

>>3031836
>liberals are now denying the that there are any differences at all between races aside from skin pigmentation

Priceless. Asian men have smaller eyes than white men??? FUCK YOU RACIST I KNOW AN ASIAN MAN WITH LARGE EYES AVERAGES MEAN NOTHING.

[Anonymous No.3031852]

>>3031834
Sorry I don't understand your point. I'm advocating a return to traditional gender roles/social attitudes. I'm asking the liberals of this generation, who have violently rejected tradition, to take a second look at it. I'm not making an argument because I know I'm not going to convince a whole board of college educated liberal feminists.

[Anonymous No.3031853]

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[Anonymous No.3031854]

>>3031848
Thank you sir, I tried to get this on track by bringing it around to the obvious greek references. Thank you for your comment, I hope to discuss greek comedies with you some other day.

[Anonymous No.3031856]

>>3030908

Can you translate your question in way so that it is comprehinsible to curious idiots?

[Anonymous No.3031857]

I'll post some images that upset liberals.

[Anonymous No.3031859]

[Anonymous No.3031861]

[Anonymous No.3031862]

>>3031857
defining liberal as anticonservative is another straw man and only identifies your own insecurities. try harder, faggot.

[Anonymous No.3031868]

>>3031084

But there has ALWAYS been people actually able to think for themselves. Claimin 'anachronism' is simple a way to excuse people from being a sheep.
Of course it is a matter of taste and more complex than that, but chances are that you by being a poster on 4chan is nothing but a spoiled cunt.

[Anonymous No.3031864]

>>3031850
No one isn't denying the tangible physical differences. We are waiting for your proof (read: not speculations or cherrypicked examples) as to why blackness is the cause of certain cultural and societal events.

[Anonymous No.3031866]

>>3031857
>>3031859
>>3031861
>mfw that lack of diversity

Needs more nigger cock and mulatto children

[Anonymous No.3031869]

>>3031852
>the liberals of this generation
Which generation?

>who have violently rejected tradition
No, I pay attention to violence, and liberal politics is still anti-violence. The last major act of violence in relation to the abolition of the family was Marxist violence in Italy in the early 1980s.

>I'm not making an argument because I know I'm not going to convince a whole board of college educated liberal feminists.
Most of the feminists on /lit/ are Marxist, with about a 30:30:30 split between self-education, party-education and university. You're actually likely to find people willing to discuss, at length, minutae about why bourgeois ideology and intellectuals are wrong, why attacks on ideology are futile, and to seek quality argument. For example, you could rehabilitate liberalism (which is used on /lit/ to refer to _the enlightenment person and the ideology surrounding_) to critique contemporary US "liberalism" as being anti-liberal, and proceed to a defence of conservative identity on principled grounds. Basically the "the constitution" argument but requiring a mastery of the importance of Kant and an ability to refute Hegel and Kierkegaard.

Posting /pol/ memes is not the way forward in this.

[Anonymous No.3031871]

>>3031850
>implying all asians have an epicanthic fold
>implying many white and black people don't

[Anonymous No.3031872]

>>3031862
But that's exactly what liberalism is, a reaction to their strong and powerful masters.

Because slave morality is a reaction to oppression, it villainizes its oppressors. Slave morality is the inverse of master morality. As such, it is characterized by pessimism and cynicism. Slave morality is created in opposition to what master morality values as 'good'. Slave morality does not aim at exerting one's will by strength but by careful subversion. It does not seek to transcend the masters, but to make them slaves as well. The essence of slave morality is utility:[5] the good is what is most useful for the whole community, not the strong. Nietzsche saw this as a contradiction. Since the powerful are few in number compared to the masses of the weak, the weak gain power by corrupting the strong into believing that the causes of slavery (viz., the will to power) are 'evil', as are the qualities they originally could not choose because of their weakness. By saying humility is voluntary, slave morality avoids admitting that their humility was in the beginning forced upon them by a master. Biblical principles of turning the other cheek, humility, charity, and pity are the result of universalizing the plight of the slave onto all humankind, and thus enslaving the masters as well.

[Anonymous No.3031874]

>>3031869
>implying even /lit/ thinks enlightenment mores are synonymous with liberalism

[Anonymous No.3031878]

>>3031857
Don't forget the Swedish flag. Lefties consider the Swedish flag racist and xenophobic in Sweden:
http://www.thelocal.se/8401/20070905/

liberalism has become a parody of itself.

[Anonymous No.3031880]

>>3031872
Modern liberals say 'let me live how I want to live, marry who I want just like you'. They don't say 'YOU CANNOT MARRY THIS WHITE WOMAN BECAUSE YOU ARE WHITE MAN' as that guy implied.

[Anonymous No.3031884]

>>3031864
>well obviously evolution has affected how different races look physically
>BUT THERES NO WAY THAT EVOLUTION COULD EVER AFFECT INTELLIGENCE YOU FUCKING BIGOT

[Anonymous No.3031889]

>>3031824
is there anyone who's genderqueer/trans* but otherwise lacking in social/behavioral/health issues? like a really fit & well-adjusted genderqueer/trans*?

[Anonymous No.3031893]

>>3031874
Read /lit/ sometimes. We tend to use definitions derived from the Western canon of scholarship; not the ones invented by FOX's discourse in US politics, an anaemiation of an anaemic political discourse.

And please stop conflating liberalism with left-wing politics. Most leftists don't believe in the enlightenment bourgeois individual and are fairly direct about this, if you spent any time on /lit/ you would know that when the fallacy of the enlightenment individual is raised here, it is a fight between the Nietzschean nihilists and the marxists to point out the flaws. Then the Heideggerian fascists come in late with a generalised critique of individuation.

[Anonymous No.3031894]

[Anonymous No.3031895]

>>3031857
I'm for equal opportunity but I would never marry a non-white woman. Unlike you, I realize my basis for finding foreigners repulsive is emotional/irrational/cultural/genetic and that it should probably be kept out of politics, since governments need to be rational and transparent.

[Anonymous No.3031898]

[Anonymous No.3031900]

>>3031878
liberalism =! political correctness

liberalism is letting people do what they want to some degree more than a traditionalist.

political correctness is trying not to offend.

schools near me have all banned shirts of local sports teams. I supposed that's lolliberals as well right??

[Anonymous No.3031909]

>>3031895
> I realize my basis for finding foreigners repulsive is emotional/irrational/cultural/genetic and that it should probably be kept out of politics
>I realize that evolution has caused humans to be a certain way but I think we should continue denying reality and forcing people who are programmed to hate each other to share a country in the name of love and tolerance :) <3

[Anonymous No.3031910]

This thread is a disgrace to anyone, such as myself, subscribing to conservatism. The starter of the thread had a noble intent and had I not joined the thread this late I would gladly have participated in discussing the matter.

What remains, however, is teenagers from /pol/ incapable of arguing and nihilists, among others, preaching to the choir. Shall we not let this thread rest and discuss this in a more eloquent manner at another time? This thread has already entered the realms of redundancy.

[Anonymous No.3031913]

[Anonymous No.3031914]

>>3031878
>leftists in Sweden
>"liberals"

Do you even know what you're talking about? Liberals are technically not even leftists.

Now, I definitely don't agree with the ban, but I doubt those kids just "felt like" wearing a shirt with their flag when taking class photos.

[Anonymous No.3031911]

>>3031900
Yeah. Man Utd fans are on average two inches taller than Man City fans, which means that Man Utd fans are now a race because averages durr

[Anonymous No.3031916]

Someone explain to me how Facism is in anyway worse than corporate controlled democracy?

If America and western European nations had become facist states absolutely none of this would be happening.

Someone tell me why Facism doesn't work because from where I'm standing it looks pretty fucking amazing

[Anonymous No.3031917]

>>3031909
>admits that love and tolerance exist between races

>thinks they are 'programmed to hate one another

Seriously, what? Now you're just being deliberately inconsistent.

[Anonymous No.3031920]

>cultural marxism

[Anonymous No.3031926]

>>3031920
wrong label, bro

[Anonymous No.3031929]

[Anonymous No.3031931]

>>3031916
Because infringement of freedom. Did you really need that spelled out?

[Anonymous No.3031933]

>>3031926
No, you have to be 18 to buy even imitations of a gun in Britain. Wouldn't want kids to get the idea violence is acceptable.

[Anonymous No.3031937]

>>3031916
If only Hitler had won..

[Anonymous No.3031938]

>>3031909
I'll believe you when your argument is backed up by logic and evidence instead of vague correlations between "skull size" and "bad behaviour of niggers in fucking ghettos"
>forcing people who are programmed to hate each other to share a country
Never said this, nor believe in it. This mental picture you have of anyone who isn't racist is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.3031940]

>>3031889
Uh, obviously. Don't these people look healthy to you?

[Anonymous No.3031941]

>>3031929
jesus, this is a clusterfuck of an argument you guys are presented. surveillance nation= durrliberals now? wat
I think you'll find the same poncey students protesting for feminists and against racism are the same people decrying the heavy handed policing, surveilance and law making.

[Anonymous No.3031944]

[Anonymous No.3031950]

[Anonymous No.3031951]

HERE IT COMES

HERE COMES THE DIVERSITY

[Anonymous No.3031952]

>>3031941
US politics is a clusterfuck.

Seriously.

[Anonymous No.3031953]

>>3031933
>believes what he reads in the Mail

[Anonymous No.3031960]

>>3031933
http://www.tesco.com/direct/search-results/results.page?catId=4294959722&searchquery=gun&Src
hId=4294967294

go to tesco...buy as many toy guns as you like.. they won't ask you for i.d.

[Anonymous No.3031962]

ITT: liberals feel conflict when faced with the natural conclusion of their beliefs

[Anonymous No.3031963]

>>3031960
This is some kind of jew trick

[Anonymous No.3031964]

>>3031941
Left wing extremists:
>Hitler
>Stalin
>Mao

Right wing extremists
>America's founding fathers
>Tea Party
>Ron Paul

[Anonymous No.3031967]

[Anonymous No.3031968]

[Anonymous No.3031970]

>>3031963
oh..you got me.. you're too sharp and quick witted for me

[Anonymous No.3031971]

>dat ironing

[Anonymous No.3031972]

>>3031931
The concept of "the individual" is obsolete. Individuals are unreliable and fickle. Totally undeserving of any sort of "freedom to" let alone entitled to them. Now a state on the other hand...

In my opinion the nationalist state is the true successor to the individual. Imagine millions of individuals all commited to the state instead of to the corporate scum manipulating the state as they are in America

Facism can still work if people would give it the chance instead of letting the corporatists and Marxists cash in on every individual's fears

[Anonymous No.3031973]

>>3031951
>>3031967
>>3031968
reportad fro spam

[Anonymous No.3031975]

[Anonymous No.3031978]

>>3031973
Reported for dry mutilated dick.

[Anonymous No.3031982]

>>3031973
>7. Replying to a thread stating that you've reported it or another post is also disallowed

[Anonymous No.3031983]

>>3031973
>that offends me!
>I should report it to the authorities!
the liberal mindset, ladies and gentlemen

[Anonymous No.3031984]

(shoah = holocaust)

they're here..

[Anonymous No.3031985]

>>3031964
What is nazism? What is the taliban? What is the KKK? oh wait you're trolling...

[Anonymous No.3031992]

>>3031987
Some are made better than others.

[Anonymous No.3031987]

>>3031972
>Individuals are unreliable and fickle.
So let's put one of them in charge!

Solid plan, bro.

[Anonymous No.3031991]

>>3031968
Royals On The First Page!
Swine Flu and Road Rage
Find Maddie
Foreign Baddie
Put Him In A Big Cage
Bureaucratic Red Tape
Facebook Gang Rape
Gordon Out Dave In Before The Country Caves In
Ian Huntly Gets His Own Jacuzzi And A Gym In Jail
It’s absolutely true because I read it in the Daily Mail.

Bring Back Capital Punishment for Paedophiles
Photo Feature On Schoolgirl Skirt Styles
Binge Britain! Single Mums!
Pensioners! Hoodie Scum!
Oversexed And Underaged
(foreign stories half a page)
Criminals Get Marks & Spencer Vouchers When Released On Bail
It’s absolutely true because I read it in the Daily Mail.

Ban This Gay Smut
I’m Not Racist But…
Car Crime Knife Crime
Hang-The-Cheating-Wife Time
Pop Stars Take Drugs
Teen Boys Wear Hoods
Sports Stars Have Sex
Bears Shit In Woods
Brussels Politicians Want To Stop Us Drinking English Ale
It’s absolutely true because I read it in the Daily Mail.

Climategate! Petrol Prices!
Potholes! Credit Crisis!
Gypsies! Russell Brand!
Time We All Took A Stand
Modern Art, Where To Start? Trash The Lot Of It
Apart From Statuette Of A Puppy 50 Quid Plus P&P
Muslim Women Hiding Stolen Goods Behind Their Veil
It’s absolutely true because I read it in the Daily Mail.

Poles Paid To Give Blood
Immigration “Like A Flood”
Soft Touch British Isles
Cancer From Your Mobiles
Cancer From Your Laptop
Cancer From Your Root Crop
Cancer From Your Shoes, from your Dog, from your Pen Top
Immigrants Arriving On An Unprecedented Scale
It’s got to be the case if it’s written in the Daily Mail.

They never mince their words in the good old Daily Mail.
It’s absolutely true because I gather all my views from the Daily Mail.

[Anonymous No.3031998]

>>3031992
How do we determine that? it couldn't possibly be the one that works out for white people, could it?

[Anonymous No.3031999]

>>3031985
>nazism
>national fucking socialism
>universal healthcare
>government control of business
>huge government

It was socially conservative, that's it. inb4 durr all racists are right wing.

>taliban

Again, social conservatism =/= conservative. Something tells me they aren't too fond of the free market.

>KKK

You mean the group populated mainly by democrats?

[Anonymous No.3032003]

[Anonymous No.3032004]

>>3031985
Left wing extremists:
Nazism
Taliban
KKK

Right wing extremists:
Apple pie
Sunshine
When a baby laughs

[Anonymous No.3032005]

[Anonymous No.3032008]

>>3031999
>thinks left wing is equivalent to huge government

[Anonymous No.3032011]

>>3031999
anticommunists are left wing now?

>social conservatism =/= conservative

motherfucking conservatism is not conservative? wat

[Anonymous No.3032013]

They bring about their "equality" through government.

[Anonymous No.3032017]

>>3031987
Need to read more Heidegger mate before you can critique the Führer princip in an age of irrationality.

[Anonymous No.3032019]

>>3032011
anticapitalists are right wing now?

This was right below what you posted, but of course you're being intellectually dishonest out of desperation.

[Anonymous No.3032023]

>>3031999
>implying the notable part of nazism was how economics was dealt with
>what is fascism

[Anonymous No.3032025]

>284 posts

>wow this must be an innaresting thread

[Anonymous No.3032027]

>>3032019
Everything ITT is talking about social politics, not economics.

[Anonymous No.3032028]

>mfw an American thought politics was one dimensional near me

If you're left-wing you can't have high civil liberty guys I swear!!

[Anonymous No.3032031]

>>3031987
You have no earthly idea what Facism is, do you? Facism is not an evil quasi-imperialist monarchy, contrary to what American liberal and West European leftists would have you believe. It's not ruled by a single flawed individual or by a dozen boardrooms like America is

Trust me, it can work. The state can still save the western world, if only we'd let it.

[Anonymous No.3032032]

>>3032023
>national socialism isn't left wing because they were racist and believe in traditional family values!!

[Anonymous No.3032033]

>>3032031
>fascism
>not authoritarian

wat

[Anonymous No.3032038]

>>3031804
who cares about being dishonest and misleading?

truth is overrated

[Anonymous No.3032039]

>conservatives want to reduce regulation and let people interact freely
>liberals want to use the government to bring their "perfect world" into realization
>l-liberals aren't for big government guys I promise! WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WANT TO CUT MY WELFARE CHECK?!? I DESERVE OTHER PEOPLES MONEY, STEALING IS ALRIGHT WHEN THE GOVERNMENT DOES IT.

Got any other paper-thin arguments for me to tear apart?

[Anonymous No.3032040]

>>3032032
>racist and believe in traditional family values!!
yeah, it's those kind of things we've been discussing throughout this thread.

[Anonymous No.3032041]

>>3032032
Why is it so hard for you to realize that the terrible and notable part of nazism wasn't "left-wing extremism" but fascism, which are two different things? These left-wing concepts you are bringing up are totally negligible.

[Anonymous No.3032046]

>>3032040
We're now discussing the difference between left wing extremists and right wing extremists, try to keep up.

For example..

>Left wing extremists
Stalin

>Right wing extremists
>The Founding Fathers

[Anonymous No.3032047]

>>3032039
>conflating liberal and left wing
>thinks he can argue effectively

Go to bed, mate. You're late to the game.

[Anonymous No.3032051]

>>3032047
In America land of the free liberals are left wing, I'm sorry you live in an irrelevant yuropoor country.

[Anonymous No.3032055]

>>3032046
>equality
>right wing

pick one

[Anonymous No.3032057]

>>3032055
>all men are created equal
>the same thing as everyone deserves equality in every aspect of life and I will enforce that through the government

Try again.

[Anonymous No.3032058]

>>3032057
>for equality of opportunity
>doesn't provide equality of opportunity

Pick one.

[Anonymous No.3032064]

>>3032051
American liberals do not advocate the emancipation of the working class by the working class itself, nor do they advocate the social ownership of the means and tools of production.

Argumentum ad Americanum is a fallacy.

[Anonymous No.3032066]

>>3032051
>implying the founding fathers weren't liberal conservative

[Anonymous No.3032073]

>>3032064
All men are equal before the law =/= equality of opportunity.

[Anonymous No.3032075]

>>3032066
If you're using the "free market small government" definition of liberal, then sure.

[Anonymous No.3032080]

>>3032064
>people working for mutual benefit is exploitation DURRRRRR

[Anonymous No.3032085]

>>3032073
>before the law


>amending the constitution

Reported to the FBI

[Anonymous No.3032086]

>>3032046
>he doesn't know many of the founding fathers were for regulation and making sure people didn't get too powerful/rich in order to retain the freedom of others

Extremism my ass.

[Anonymous No.3032093]

>cultural Marxists still haven't presented an argument as to why a facist state isn't the ultimate form of an administrative government

I'm waiting Marxists. Tell me why Facism can't work other than bitching about "individual freedoms".

Facism transcends left and right Wong ideologies. It is the perfect balance.

The only enemy of Facism is corporate thieves and two faced Marxists.

[Anonymous No.3032089]

>>3032086
Can you point our where it says that in the constitution? Didn't think so.

Me: 1
You: 0

[Anonymous No.3032097]

>>3032073
Equality of opportunity isn't a left-wing principle, even equality of outcome isn't.

The left is about one thing, at its heart, the workers owning society. Everything else in the left exists to serve this occasionally raw and naked class politics.

>>3032080
Who are you quoting?

>>Captcha
Paine Aninfo

[Anonymous No.3032102]

Mark, Steve and Larry all live on an island. They have to spend all day fishing for 2 fish in order to feed themselves for that day. One day Mark has a brilliant idea, he decides to under consume for a couple days and save some fish for a rainy day in case he gets under the weather(let's pretend he has a way to not let the fish rot, okay?). After a couple days of this practice he has 2 extra fish, and when he goes to brag to his friends about his brilliant plan, he finds that they have fallen ill! His friends tell Mark that there is no way they will be able to fish, since they need to save their energy.

So Mark offers them a deal.. "I'll give each of you a fish today, if in return you each give me TWO fish in return." Steve and Larry agree to this deal in an instant, practically salivating at the mouth, and a week later they pay Mark back the debt.

Now, class, Mark only gave up two of his fish, but got four in return. He objectively profited more from this arrangement than Steve and Larry, does that mean what he did was greedy and wrong?

[Anonymous No.3032104]

>>3032093
>Tell me why Facism can't work other than bitching about "reasons why fascism can't work"

[Anonymous No.3032110]

>>3032093
Who is a cultural Marxist? I'm closest to pre-Negri Autonomia. I don't touch the Frankfurt school with your dick.

Fascism defends the interests of large corporations (Die Krupps, for example, or Mitsubishi) against that of the workers. This is much like the role of the state in normal capitalism. However, the fascist state empowers itself specifically to eliminate the apparatus of the working class, even Horthy did this, and constructs extralegal state actions on a regular basis (as do some liberal-bourgeois states, United States, I'm looking at you), this makes the terrain more difficult for proletarian and communist organising.

Also there's that bit where you destroy workers unions, kill the organic proletarian leadership, etc.

Mostly bad because fascism is just capitalism with a different state formation, specifically bad because of fascism's specific persecution of communist organising amongst workers.

I have no idea how the Frankfurt school would oppose fascism, but there's a fair bit in Autonomia about workers organising under Musso.

[Anonymous No.3032112]

>>3032102
Given that you've set this example outside of social reality it is specious game theory crap.

Even the instrumentalist institutionalists are more connected with reality than this.

[Anonymous No.3032114]

>>3032102
Yes, it's immoral and illogical. He effectively charged interest on the fish. A legitimate trade agreements demands compensation equal to what is owed, not greater than. Anything over and above what was initially traded is usury (ie. theft.)

[Anonymous No.3032121]

>>3032114
What is the time-price of fish in a market society? What is the time-risk of fish in a market society?

Even the Islamics charge interest without it being usury (largely by regulating bank investment in risk by having credit being co-investment)

[Anonymous No.3032123]

>>3032114
But he has no motivation to give them anything if he gets nothing in return. Do you believe that the world runs in rainbows and unicorns?

Without him they could have starved to death, but thanks to Mark they were saved. All of this thanks to the free market.

[Anonymous No.3032129]

>>3032123
>Mark
Not getting your fish from Matthew Luke or John
Then discovering the fisher of men infinitely duplicates fish.

PRINT FISH WITH JESUS, FUCK MANUFACTURING.

[Anonymous No.3032130]

>>3032114
>equal to what is owed

And that is determined how?

[Anonymous No.3032164]

>>3032123
If he gets back what he gave them (1 fish each) then he is fully compensated and all three stay alive and society runs smoothly. all 3 remain to build shelter and a boat working together taking the strain from one another and everything is fair.

Obviously greed exists and interest will be charged but that doesn't mean it's necessary or right. It is fundamentally wrong. Plenty of people charge interest in pursuit of profit in real life and they are equally fundamentally wrong.

I'm not talking about what scenarios work. Everything can work out when you refrain from charging interest. There is nothing to suggest it wouldn't. But it's not how humans think. I'm just calling it how it is. The present scenario is undeniably unfair but that's why they say humans are flawed. There would need to be a paradigm shift resulting from changes in our environment or biology for us to think any differently.

[Anonymous No.3032166]

>>3032130
one fish given, one fish owed. Simple mathematics.

Only a fool would say one fish given, 2 fish owed. In what reality is 1 fish equal to 2 fish? You high?

[Anonymous No.3032169]

[Anonymous No.3032182]

>>3032102
Then Mark sees the brilliance of debt and deliberately poisons Steve and Larry so they fall sick over and over again while charging them double every time they ask for fish until the day Mark asks for them to pay back their debts and they all realize the owed fish doesn't even exist.

[Anonymous No.3032270]

>>3031500
Cute image, dude.

[Anonymous No.3032281]

>>3031634
All the things he mentions are physical traits, while gender and intelligence are social constructs. If multi-culturalism proves nothing else, it proves this.

Yes, we are having to assimilate peoples into systems they don't identify with historically. Yes, this illegitimate cultures under the guise of cultural pluralism. Yes, everyone is suffering for it.

Should we care? No.
Why? It isn't fashionable.