ITT: things dumb people say >even if you don't believe in god, it's important to read the bible to understand the foundations of our civilization and culture

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Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:11:47 2012 No.2969232 [Reply] [Original]

ITT: things dumb people say

>even if you don't believe in god, it's important to read the bible to understand the foundations of our civilization and culture

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:13:48 2012 No.2969234 >>2969232 A lot of literature alludes to the bible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:14:48 2012 No.2969237 >>>2969232 >You can do worthwhile philosophy without knowing math

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:15:48 2012 No.2969238 >>2969232 Well, that is kind of true. Just as its important to read the Iliad and so on. These things really matter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:16:48 2012 No.2969241 >reading is a waste of time and wont get you laid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:18:48 2012 No.2969244 >>2969241 Getting laid is a waste of time and won't make you well-read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:19:48 2012 No.2969249 File: 47 KB, 402x604, 64405091_x_9f065be1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >you read a lot? wow you must be really smart

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:20:48 2012 No.2969256 >This book is too smart for me to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:22:48 2012 No.2969260 >calls everything they dislike or misunderstand pretentious

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:23:48 2012 No.2969262 >you're studying philosophy? you want to be a philosopher?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:24:49 2012 No.2969267 >>2969249 This. Also >That's deep, man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:24:49 2012 No.2969268 I love the type of shit self-loathing atheists/agnostics say in order to sound special. They give religion and the church more props than the christians themselves do.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:24:49 2012 No.2969270

>the bible has all the answers you'll ever need, read it cover to cover
>god says it, i believe it, that settles it
>such-and-such is clearly bad, this is stated in [book of the pentateuch]
>what's that, why don't i follow such-and-such law stated in [book of the pentateuch]? jesus renewed god's covenant with man, so many of those rules no longer apply

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:26:48 2012 No.2969275 >it's human nature

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:29:48 2012 No.2969281 >>2969275 >it's human nature >Implying there isn't a biological imperative, and actions can't be analysed by neurology, psychology and bio-chemistry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:31:49 2012 No.2969284 >gender is a social construct >gender is somewhat a social construct >gender is slightly socially constructed

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:33:49 2012 No.2969290 >>2969281 >implying all those things can't result in a very wide range of behavior >implying people don't always use 'human nature' to insist that their own, very rigid, behavior has always been and will always be

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:35:50 2012 No.2969297 >why can't you just enjoy it and stop analyzing it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:36:49 2012 No.2969304 >>2969290 >Implying the vast majority of people don't crave food, sex, warmth, and will act in a way that will assist in procuring these things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:39:49 2012 No.2969312 >>2969284 penises, vaginas and other mixed up mutations of the genitals are biological (unnamed of course). the names and the behaviours associated and way you are raised, the way you are expected to be is the social construction.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:40:49 2012 No.2969315 im smart

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:42:49 2012 No.2969320 >>2969304 >implying the human nature excuse doesn't specifically mean food from a farm (when most of human history was hunter-gatherers), monogamous marriage (instead of polygyny), central heating (instead of enclosed spaces and furs).

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:44:26 2012 No.2969327 >nabokov's prose is shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:44:26 2012 No.2969328 >>2969312 >this is what liberal arts majors actually believe

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:45:25 2012 No.2969331

>>2969304
People don't claim 'human nature' as an explanation for those things because that would be unnecessary, stating the obvious etc.
No, people fall back on 'human nature' as an explanation for their faults, like when they lie, or their deficiencies, like when they procrastinate or give into temptation, or when they manipulate others. In other words, people use 'human nature' to describe those actions they decided upon as if they were inevitable to protect themselves from blame.
but these things are not inevitable like the need to eat and drink and sleep in order to survive so the same explanation does not apply.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:48:24 2012 No.2969335 >>2969249 Or people who think they're smart because they read a lot. Seriously, I've read a lot of the canon, and some philosophy and I'm still not that smart a human. Reading is not an automatic qualifier for intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:49:24 2012 No.2969336 >>2969328 Social sciences are liberal arts?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:51:24 2012 No.2969345 >>2969328 Have fun with your faith. Little boys are not made masculine. They are made with penises and constructed into men after that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:54:24 2012 No.2969349 >>2969336 No, but you're unlikely to find an undergraduate social science curriculum that's forty years out of date. Not so in the liberal arts.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:55:24 2012 No.2969350

>>2969328
>>2969345
>hurrrrrrrrr it's either 100% biological or 100% societal
>even though something as fixed as your height is determined by both genes and environment, I'll believe that something as malleable and abstract as gender roles is determined exclusively by one or the other

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:57:24 2012 No.2969351 It's simple. men are from mars women are from venus

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:58:25 2012 No.2969354 >>2969350 No one said it was completely biological.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 09:58:25 2012 No.2969358 >>2969354 see >>2969284

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:01:27 2012 No.2969366 >>2969350 I never said exclusively, faggot. Have fun trying to feel superior to both of us.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:04:27 2012 No.2969375 >>2969284 This is an obvious troll meant to derail this thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:04:27 2012 No.2969377 >>2969366 >gender is slightly socially constructed >slightly >ITT: things dumb people say Have fun backpeddaling >b-but I n-never explicitly said exclusively even though it was plain to anyone that that's what I meant

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:04:28 2012 No.2969374 >>2969358 Or at least, no one he quoted did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:06:27 2012 No.2969380 >>2969377 that wasn't me

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:07:27 2012 No.2969383 >white males are still privileged

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:08:27 2012 No.2969386 >Gender identity is socially determined >Also, sexual perference isn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:09:27 2012 No.2969387 >morals are relative so I can do anything I want You're a relative piece of shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:10:27 2012 No.2969392 >>2969380 Ok. Then it was this guy >>2969350 that said it was 100% biological. How was I to know you aren't the same as him, Anonymous?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:11:27 2012 No.2969396 >taste is subjective i think cowshit is better than steak. i have good taste. taste is subjective.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:15:29 2012 No.2969401 >>2969396 So the bottom part is the stupid thing, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:21:29 2012 No.2969410 >>2969396 scatporn.jpeg

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:22:29 2012 No.2969412 File: 5 KB, 256x273, Descartes[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2969241 >implying that bitches don't like the intellectual dick

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:22:29 2012 No.2969413 >>2969256 Ugh, this is what my mother does. She refuses to challenge herself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:23:29 2012 No.2969416 >>2969281 >implying human culture didn't replace biological evolutio

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:24:29 2012 No.2969419 >>2969412 Bitches like different things. Bitches are individuals that don't necessarily behave stereotypically. Don't generalize groups of people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:24:29 2012 No.2969420 >truth is historically contingent but i can still use foucault's theory to criticize society

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:25:29 2012 No.2969421 >>2969416 >implying it did >implying you can replace evolution

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:27:30 2012 No.2969424 >"kafka is so dry"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:27:30 2012 No.2969426 >>2969421 >implying it's impossible >greentext

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:28:30 2012 No.2969427 >>2969419 >Bitches are individuals that don't necessarily behave stereotypically. Unless a bdsm novel is marketed well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:28:30 2012 No.2969428 >"STEM is bettah, you get money and shit"

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:28:30 2012 No.2969429 >Ka f ka >Samsa

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:36:31 2012 No.2969443 >Lol so edgy xD

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:37:31 2012 No.2969444 YOLO

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:40:33 2012 No.2969449 Chaco sandals. Not really something people say, but still.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:42:33 2012 No.2969452 >>2969426 >implying natural selection isn't tautological

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:43:33 2012 No.2969453 >Atheism is not a Religion

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:43:33 2012 No.2969454 >That's it. This is the future. Science is will solve all our problems and won't create any new ones. Not really a saying but a belief held by many.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 10:45:33 2012 No.2969457 >>2969454 Did you use the scientific method to come to that conclusion? Or are you just generalizing with anecdotal evidence?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 13:19:38 2012 No.2969663 >''________ is a fag'' If you're gonna slander someone, just go all the way, lazy cunts. >faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 13:25:23 2012 No.2969671 >Im not religious, im spiritual

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 13:27:11 2012 No.2969675 >>2969416 Nigger, please. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 13:28:10 2012 No.2969677 >>2969386 10,000 this

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:05:14 2012 No.2969709 >>2969260 This. How can I get over my pretentious teen stage if no one will give me room to actually act like one without making me think that I'm a prick?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:17:05 2012 No.2969729 File: 5 KB, 150x150, 1891415418541.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2969412 This dick thing always makes me laugh.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:17:05 2012 No.2969730 File: 109 KB, 998x974, 1347237006680.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2969260 >>2969297 I hate it

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:31:36 2012 No.2969756 Nothing you say about how I raise my kids matters until you have your own.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 14:45:10 2012 No.2969770

>>2969386

>There is no evidence that gender identity is socially determined, and there is no evidence that it isn't.
>Also, There is no evidence that sexual perference is, socially determined and there is no evidence that it is.

This is what people should say though.

>>	Truman Capote !!cO9KVBDtkqQ Mon Sep 10 15:22:12 2012 No.2969798 File: 54 KB, 460x288, oh_load.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >values are subjective

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:25:12 2012 No.2969812 ITT: I hate it when people say they're tolerant of other people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:26:12 2012 No.2969815 >herp derp >hurr durr if english is your mother tongue, stop saying this shit. otherwise, it's adorable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:28:12 2012 No.2969821 >>2969812 >implying tolerance does not mean keeping the prejudices but hiding them being unaware of the fact that they will come out in different, more violent, imperceptible ways

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:30:13 2012 No.2969826 >>2969821 >Implying everyone is as jaded and bitter as you are.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:31:12 2012 No.2969828 >I believe _________.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:32:12 2012 No.2969834 >>2969232 irony

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:33:14 2012 No.2969837 >>2969232 >/lit/ is a board for the discussion of literature.>>2969232

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:34:14 2012 No.2969840 >>2969826 >implying our conscious choices are relevant or spontaneous and not the product of our socialization process

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:35:13 2012 No.2969847 I like how /lit/ didn't go for the obvious troll in OP's post but derailed when gender is a social concept of not. You are all faggots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:41:13 2012 No.2969863 >>2969840 >Implying we can't rise above how society has raised us >Implying this isn't how society itself evolves into something better

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:42:13 2012 No.2969867 >>2969863 >implying society is getting better inb4 but we have teh internet nao

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:44:13 2012 No.2969877 >Nihilism isn't wrong

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:45:13 2012 No.2969878 >>2969863 >implying i implied that >implying we can do that consciously or choosing at our own will what we do we sure do, but we are not aware of how our criteria is shaped

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:49:13 2012 No.2969890

>>2969867
Meh. Better in some aspects, worse in others. I guess yeah, it's not really getting better. It's just shifting, and only really in first world countries so... Meh.

Also, I'm insulted that you'd think I'd use teh interwebz as an argument here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:49:15 2012 No.2969893 >Drugs are bad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:52:15 2012 No.2969902 >>2969427 This.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:55:15 2012 No.2969910 Are you making fun of Dr. Song, OP? Shame on you.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:55:15 2012 No.2969913
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>"With God I don't have to think for myself, since God will give me true knowledge"
This isn't a lazy strawman comment btw, this is what some dipshit told me verbatim. This is what happens when you let autistic fucks who spend too much time in fantasy video games grab a hold of the fantasy world of Christianity.
This turned me to Atheism out of pure hatred for christfag elitist fucks

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 15:59:15 2012 No.2969923 >everybody is born equal and should have the same rights

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:01:15 2012 No.2969929 >>2969312 Do you have a dick? if yes, congrats, you are a Male Vagina? grats, you're a Female HOW IS THIS SO HARD FOR PEOPLE TO JUST DEAL WITH?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:07:55 2012 No.2969934 >>2969929 This is code for >if you are male, expect to be ridiculed for committing "female" acts >if you are female, expect to be ridiculed for committing "male" acts

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:07:55 2012 No.2969935 >>2969929 Because our emotional states don't always coincide with our physical states. Not everybody can deal with the resulting insecurities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:12:55 2012 No.2969954 >>2969934 Does that mean if we stopped ridiculing people, people would stop changing their genders?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:12:55 2012 No.2969955 >>2969934 which is normal because you shouldn't be acting like a fag

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:13:55 2012 No.2969957 >>2969954 No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:14:55 2012 No.2969959 >>2969957 Well then fuck your code.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:17:59 2012 No.2969967 >>2969954 The prevalence of desiring a gender change would be significantly reduced, in my opinion.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:18:58 2012 No.2969972 >>2969959 >>2969954 If we stopped ridiculing people there wouldn't be any social concept of gender. Gender would cease to exist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:23:19 2012 No.2969988 >IQ doesn't matter! blacks are just as intelligent as whites, IQ tests are biased! >OMG DON'T EXECUTE HIM. HIS IQ IS ONLY 61 or >gender roles are a social construct or my favorite: >everyone is equal!

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:23:19 2012 No.2969990 >>2969959 Woah, man. Not my code.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:26:04 2012 No.2969999 >>2969972 Good, then we'll go back to basics. Where your genitals determine your sex and your expected role in life, and all freaks are outcast.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:27:04 2012 No.2970002 >capitalism is bad

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:28:37 2012 No.2970006
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>>2969297
Over-analyzing a book sucks fun out of reading. Unless it's school work, themes and symbolism should come naturally. If you don't get it after one or two reads, you're in way over your head.
And, no fun allowed with you, I guess.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:28:37 2012 No.2970007

>>2969988
>gender roles are a social construct
I never understood this one. Yes, there are certain aspects that are frowned upon regarding gender, such as boys knitting or some other bullshit that nobody really cares about anymore, but a lot of behavior is also a result of gender specific hormones like testosterone and estrogen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:29:35 2012 No.2970012 >>2970002 It is when it overshadows everything else.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:32:36 2012 No.2970019
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>"I've never read a single book in my life and I never will. Reading is stupid."
The cherry on top is that he was proud of it, too. Not only that, but his favorite form of entertainment were gameshows.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:33:36 2012 No.2970022

>>2970007
I don't know if you know it, but the guy you replied to is more of a nature supporter in the nature/nurture debate (in terms of gender).
If you want to read more about it, try a good Beauvoir and Irigaray comparison.
Just don't look at any pictures before reading anything, because I was very prejudiced because Beauvoir is a lot better to look at than Irigaray.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:33:36 2012 No.2970023 >>2970006 Who said over-analyze? And why do you single out themes and symbolism from critical analysis?

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:34:35 2012 No.2970024

>>2970012
idiots the lot of you.

capital is vampiric on the social bonds that we construct to navigate through the social reality we live in. capital causes relations between individuals to be viewed in particularly harsh economic-utility terms and prevents the individual from fulfilling their desires and wishes that it instills in them, necessarily, by limiting the avenues of existence through which the individual can reliably navigate.

i.e., your and idiot

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:34:35 2012 No.2970026 >>2969331 it's just human nature to call those things human nature bro.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:34:35 2012 No.2970029 >>2970019 Could be the other way too. I don't watch gameshows, when I'd say that to him he'd quote me saying that on a beer-in-plastic-cup forum. Oh yes, I was pretentious for the whole board right there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:35:35 2012 No.2970030 >>2970022 Any suggestions? Which comparisons are good, I mean.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:36:37 2012 No.2970038 >>2970007 Yeah man, blue is a MASCULINE color. Playing with pretty dolls is feminine pursuit only homosexual little boys would enjoy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:40:36 2012 No.2970047 >>2970030 Sorry, I don't know any on the internet or in books. I've learned about in from my philo minor. It was featured in a huge Dutch compilation of philosophers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:40:36 2012 No.2970048 >>2970038 Don't joke. Once time I wanted to make a purple easter bunny basket but my teacher wouldn't let me because "it's a boys color" I was pissed as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:41:36 2012 No.2970050 >This book is complicated, books aren't supposed to be complicated If I had a shilling for every woman I'd heard say this, my floor would be covered in redundant British currency.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:42:36 2012 No.2970053 >>2970038 Even GI Joe? Were action figures some kind of communist plot? What about lego men?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:44:36 2012 No.2970059 >>2970048 Hah. My sister recently gave birth to a girl, and she absolutely refuses to buy her anything that isn't pink. Hurts my soul.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:45:36 2012 No.2970063

>why do you listen to that music/read those books/watch those films, it's so depressing!

This really grinds my gears. Life isn't always sunny and you're severely limiting your life experience if you don't explore the full spectrum of human emotion and expression.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:46:36 2012 No.2970065 >>2970063 You sound really emo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:47:36 2012 No.2970070 >>2970065 I haven't heard the word emo in years

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:47:36 2012 No.2970071 >>2970059 I have a 4 year old half-sister (i'm 22). She says things like "I really like pink, because it's for girls, boys don't like pink" I thought it was really fascinating.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:48:36 2012 No.2970074 >>2970048 >purple is a boy color Where do you live? It was always considered feminine when I was growing up. >What's your favorite color? >(choice contrary to gender norms) >Laughter and ridicule ensue

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:48:36 2012 No.2970075 >>2970059 Buy the kid things that are only blue. Buy her spider-man pjs when she turns six.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:48:36 2012 No.2970077 >>2970070 I'm like one of those old people trying to sound hip.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:49:36 2012 No.2970078 >>2970071 Of course she would say that, she's been conditioned by society.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:50:36 2012 No.2970082 >>2970074 Purple is the colour of Royalty.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:50:36 2012 No.2970083 >>2970078 Yeah but it had never been that obvious to me before that kids just say it because they've been 'told' rather than them actually liking it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:51:36 2012 No.2970087 >>2970065 Nope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:57:38 2012 No.2970102 >>2970083 In Victorian Britain pink was a boys colour, nobody in their right mind would dress a girl in pink. It's just a social construct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:58:39 2012 No.2970104 >>2970083 You may be her big brother. Tell her something you know is not true but she can't quite check up on. She may not believe you the first time, but say it once again and she knows it to be true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:58:39 2012 No.2970105 >>2970102 Pink is just a shade of red, it's also a social construct.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 16:59:38 2012 No.2970113

>>2970074
I was living in Michigan at the time. I've always thought of purple as a neutral color, half blue, half pink, and yeah.

Anyway, the problem is long since passed, but my mother would sometimes say "You don't want that, it's girly" But I think that's just a trick she used to get me to not buy things until she realized I'd long since outgrown that phase.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:02:38 2012 No.2970123 >I don't live for pleasure I love for <pleasurable activity here>

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:03:38 2012 No.2970126 File: 25 KB, 550x413, aintright.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2970048 That girl ain't right.

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>>2970048
>Be 5
>Class project: Make a collage about yourself by cutting out pictures from these magazines!
>Cut out picture of girl tied to train tracks
>"No, Anon, you can't use that picture."

Gave up all ideas of the "self" henceforth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:07:38 2012 No.2970139 >>2970129 These simple traumas that people inflict upon us without realizing their crushing weight.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:45:09 2012 No.2970192 >>2970048 >>2970059 >>2970071 >>2970074 Oh wow. I didn't realize that the roots of cisgendered heteronormative oppression ran this deep. Those little kids really need to check their privilege.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:53:24 2012 No.2970200

>determinism hasn't been proven
>nihilism is false
>analytic philosophy is better
>postmodernism is fake
>reading doesn't make you smarter
>blacks aren't superior
>good taste is subjective
>stop using big words, language should be as simple as possible
>what's the point of literature when science
>ur smarter then me u must be pseudointellectual
>u have cool taste in things u must be hipster

>>	βPictorishawk !NLqByHLcRc Mon Sep 10 17:55:26 2012 No.2970205 >The more I know, the more I realize I don't know.

>>	βPictorishawk !NLqByHLcRc Mon Sep 10 17:56:25 2012 No.2970207 >The more I know, the more I realize I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 17:58:27 2012 No.2970212 >>2970207 While clichéd, it is true to a certain extent. An ignorant man can live his entire life thinking he knows all there is to know.

>>	βPictorishawk !NLqByHLcRc Mon Sep 10 18:00:28 2012 No.2970218 >>2970212 Thought the sage'd show I was being ironic, and I thought I was so clever to insult the guy that started this thread with that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:01:28 2012 No.2970219 >>2970065 Well that's the thing. The books/music/whatever aren't even depressing or 'emo' as you put it; they're merely anything that isn't shallow as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:02:27 2012 No.2970222 >>2969268 Like what?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:04:27 2012 No.2970226 >>2970218 I didn't pick up on the irony, I'm sorry. I'm not sure whether I should feel stupid for not doing so, or adopt an offensive stance and accuse you of being stupid in order to conceal my inadequacies from myself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:05:37 2012 No.2970231 >>2970226 There's always the option of doing neither, and just saying "Ah, I see now" and moving on. I'm not sure if that kind of response is welcome on /lit/ though.

>>	βPictorishawk !NLqByHLcRc Mon Sep 10 18:06:27 2012 No.2970233 >>2970231 No. The correct response is the latter, forever the latter, let the hatred and misanthropy circulate through us all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:07:27 2012 No.2970235 >>2970231 This is 4chan. I could do one or the other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:09:34 2012 No.2970238 >our economy would be better if there was more regulation dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:11:39 2012 No.2970242 >our economy would be better if there was more deregulation dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:11:39 2012 No.2970244 >>2970238 >>2970242 Is it Keynesian or Classical economists that believe that shit?

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>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:16:52 2012 No.2970256 >>2970226 since my english is pretty bad: <3

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:19:29 2012 No.2970260 >>2970256 Your love is appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:21:29 2012 No.2970265 >things dumb people say A peptide bond between Lysine and Isoleucine will remove the Oxygen with the double bond, not the hydroxide, and expel dihydromonoxide from the chain. Gawd, makes me rage every time.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:32:05 2012 No.2970286

You're not as smart as you think you are, OP. Believe me, I know the type, you're addicted to criticism because it helps you elevate your self image. The anger and self-righteousness that comes from constantly belittling others feeds you, and without it you are stuck staring a lot of unpleasant facts about yourself. I'm guilty of this as well.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:33:05 2012 No.2970288 >>2970265 >>2970265 Stop watching the Big Bang Theory, it's not amusing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:36:04 2012 No.2970297 >>2970286 i think /lit/ in general uses critisim to feel superior to compensate their lives problems. atleast I am.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:41:06 2012 No.2970313 >>2970297 I feel ya. but you should probably know how to spell "criticize" if you are going to criticize people.

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:44:05 2012 No.2970317
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>>2970288
>Stop watching the Big Bang Theory, it's not amusing.
wut.

Are you seriously saying that you don't know how to form a basic protein?

That group on the right with the big red oxygen atoms is the carboxyl group. The one on the left with the purple nitrogen is the Amino group. As you can see at the top, the molecule looses the hydroxide, leaving the oxygen with the double bond, but every week in class people have forgotten this.

I have actually never seen an episode of Big Bang theory; i'm not American.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:46:05 2012 No.2970323 >>2970317 I never studied science, but that also means I know enough logic to not jump to the retarded conclusion you did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:47:05 2012 No.2970324 >>2969812 There are only two things I can't stand in this world: 1. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures 2. The Dutch

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 18:50:17 2012 No.2970329 >>2970323 What conclusion? I concluded: He was insinuating that I watch some American program, instead of being genuinely annoyed at the stupidity of my classmates. You will have to share some of this logic of yours, as I fail to understand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:28:12 2012 No.2970564 >>2969671 >I don't want to be a part of institutionalized religions made by other people, but I still enjoy the spiritual side of life >stupid people

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:43:54 2012 No.2970610 >>2970244 laissez-faire

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 20:50:00 2012 No.2970640 >>2970324 >2. The Dutch oh wow ur so witty and clever ur like wilde

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:10:01 2012 No.2970684

>>2970329
Were you seriously implying anon doesn't know how to form a basic protein? Based entirely on the fact that he insinuated your watching a show on TV?

Did you seriously come to the conclusion that anon is incapable of understanding biochemistry and then fail to recognize that you had come to that conclusion?

Do you need everything spelled out for you at all times?

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:11:01 2012 No.2970686 >ITT: things dumb people say

Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:24:24 2012 No.2970726

>>2970564

'spirituality' practiced by people who haven't been initiated into established wisdom traditions is pointless new age hipster bullshit 100% of the time (assuming you don't believe that spirituality in general is pointless.) there's enough latitude and variety within and between the world's major religions to accommodate pretty much any sort of spiritual temperament.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:24:24 2012 No.2970727 >>2970686 I'm not sure what's sarcasm and what isn't anymore.

sage sage Mon Sep 10 21:29:23 2012 No.2970747

>>2970684
What are you guys squabbling about? One guy posted a rather easy statement about amino acids, but dressed it up. Another guy implied that he's quoting the big bang theory, then got butthurt when he realized it was actually a very simple problem and pretended he knew all along. Quit trying to seem superior.

I'm only replying because I'm a med student, and understand amino chains.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:29:23 2012 No.2970748 File: 250 KB, 343x376, 1346460083727.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2969999

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:35:12 2012 No.2970762 File: 36 KB, 240x200, 20090422180904_thumb.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2970684 Calm down. Go grab a warm glass of milk and breathe deeply for a few seconds. This isn't something worth getting worked up about.

>>	sage sage Mon Sep 10 21:35:12 2012 No.2970764 >>2970747 I'm glad you're not a historian.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:39:12 2012 No.2970778 >>2970764 I'm glad you're not butthurt.... Oh, wait.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:44:12 2012 No.2970796 >>2970778 I'm glad you're glad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 21:49:14 2012 No.2970810 >>2970726 >it's impossible for you to be spiritual if you don't identify with another major established group you don't even sound spiritual yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 22:19:41 2012 No.2970864 >>2970796 >>2970778 >>2970764 I'm glad you guys are glad

>>	Anonymous Mon Sep 10 23:34:06 2012 No.2970999 >>2970244 > Keynesian economists This definitely seems to be a popular phrase among the stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:06:57 2012 No.2971330 >>2970313 I think you should probably realise by now that not everyone on this board was a victim of the American education system, and as a result, some people actually speak English.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:10:36 2012 No.2971339 >>2970999 It's also a popular phrase among people who study economics. I imagine there's a certain point at which the groups will overlap, but that's hardly relevant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:12:40 2012 No.2971345 >>2971330 Why are you not on /sp/ with the rest of your banter buddies?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:14:40 2012 No.2971348 >>2971345 Why aren't you at the bottom of the gene pool along with the rest of your people?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:15:40 2012 No.2971350 >>2970244 Classical.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:16:40 2012 No.2971353 >>2971348 Having said that, I've just noticed how fractured the original post was, and how wrong I was in trying to defend it. Webster's English is a piece of shit though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:28:42 2012 No.2971383 >>2971353 Criticize, sanitize, monetize, brutalize, in your eyes I see you cry and forcefully rationalize. You understand but get caught up in jingoistic spiteful lies. -ize is perfectly fine. Deal with it. I find your rage against Webster houmourous.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:34:42 2012 No.2971392

>>2971383
I understood 1984's Newspeak too, but that doesn't prevent it from being a bastardised version of the English language.

Someone should have put a bullet in the back of Webster's head the moment he started espousing the virtues of dumbing down the English language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:34:42 2012 No.2971393 >>2969232 So is OP trolling or what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:35:42 2012 No.2971395 >>2971393 Obviously. But inadvertently created a vaguely interesting thread, so I'm not complaining.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:35:42 2012 No.2971396 >>2971392 So why do you hate Oxford exactly?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:44:43 2012 No.2971411 >>2969421 Natural selection kind of flies out the window when society allows 300lb hambeasts with low IQs to reproduce faster than people with good genes.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:47:43 2012 No.2971418

>>2971411
Not to mention everything is child proof, and medicine has it that even people with deplorable genes can be kept alive to reproduce.

Sidenote: 300lbs isn't really a genetic thing. You don't inherit fat. Likewise, you don't "catch" obesity. It's not like you wake up one morning and you suddenly have 150 more pounds of heft on your frame. Let's face it, one has to be pretty committed to getting fat to actually get fat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:49:44 2012 No.2971423 >>2971418 who gives a fuck about genes you fucking sociopathic hippie fuck nature and what it wants

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 02:50:43 2012 No.2971425 >things dumb people say are literature-related

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 04:07:13 2012 No.2971559 >>2971411 It's still natural selection you idiot. Evolution doesn't work always with the "best" genes.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 04:33:34 2012 No.2971591

>>2971411
Wrong! That just means that those things are no longer as strongly selected against. The most fit characteristics are whatever is suited to the environment, not what you think are 'good traits'.

Go ask >>>/sci/ to explain more or educate yourself, pleb.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 04:38:34 2012 No.2971597 >>2970200 How did you test determenism?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 05:00:35 2012 No.2971626 >>2969281 you belong more in this thread than you realise

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 05:48:53 2012 No.2971703 >all genre fiction is bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:06:41 2012 No.2971727 >Global warming is man-made.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:14:41 2012 No.2971744 >>2971591 /Sci/ says "we have pretty much decommissioned natural selection"

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:40:46 2012 No.2971766

>>2971744
That's cause /sci/ thinks the dichotomy between artificial and natural selection can be meaningfully applied to humans. It can't. The mad idea of each individual's worth being tested by nature doesn't even hold to the scrutiny of basic social animals. How does bison being protected by staying in a herd fundamentally differ from man being protected by his society?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:43:16 2012 No.2971773 >>2971744 Link.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:45:16 2012 No.2971779 >>2971773 its funny that you ask for a link for a claim made by /sci/ as if they had scientific authority

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:49:16 2012 No.2971789 >>2971779 >implying I can show how the claim is bullshit without reading it first

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:52:17 2012 No.2971795 >>2971766 Do you not understand natural selection?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 06:58:05 2012 No.2971813 >>2971795 Yes I do. And the claim that humans, are outside it, or beyond it, is patently absurd.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 07:13:23 2012 No.2971832 >>2969232 I don't know, I found Genesis and Job to be pretty interesting reads despite being agnostic, OP.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 07:15:23 2012 No.2971838
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You guys seem confused. Natural selection is about mutation, not just positive traits. If a mutation is beneficial, or doesn't hinder the organism, it could stay and be passed down when the organism mates. If the mutation hinders the organism, it has less chance of spreading. Dawin aptly demonstrated this by the beak sizes of the same genus of bird dotted around different islands; the birds had beak length relative to the food available on the islands.

the best example in a short time frame is the example given by Dawkins in Mt. Improbable. Here he had a colony of green insects on a volcanic island. The volcano erupted, killing quite a few insects, but more importantly changing the colour of most of the island. The green insects show up against a black background, and were subsequently eaten by birds. Now, the random mutation in surface pigment occurs in about 1 every 2 million, and occasionally a very dark, or black one was born, and wouldn't get eaten. This is obviously beneficial, and in a period of a few years nearly all the insects were black.

This no longer occurs in our society, people with negative mutations are not weeded out naturally. The best example of natural selection being made redundant is in dog breeding, here WE actually control the direction a dog breed will take by selective breeding.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 07:32:11 2012 No.2971861 >>2969383 >>2969387 >>2969428 >>2969453 >>2969756 these

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 07:37:12 2012 No.2971874

>>2971838
>This no longer occurs in our society, people with negative mutations are not weeded out naturally
Which is why those are no longer NEGATIVE mutations. They are simply diversity. The continuous gradual theory of evolution is long out of favor. Instead punctuated equilibrium rules the day. To say man is beyond evolution is short sighted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 07:52:47 2012 No.2971892 >>2971874 Yes, so 'natural selection through random mutation' has become 'random mutation with everybody thriving'

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:01:17 2012 No.2971902

>>2971892
except we're not actually talking about mutations, we're talking about the expansion of the bell-curve. Diversity increases when the population isn't under pressure, then the population experiences pressure and there is a selection bias. That's how natural selection works. Its not a continuous serious of mutations that happen to go from frog to human.

We're in an epoch of stability. One day the human race will face adversity again and a selection bias will set in. Right now the social behavior we evolved is doing its job.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:15:18 2012 No.2971916

>>2971902
>One day the human race will face adversity again and a selection bias will set in.

Doubt it. I have had my entire DNA genotyped through '23 and me' (something I recommend everybody doing) I know the likelihood of developing any diseases (32% chance of Parkinsons in my 50's is worrying), I know what traits are likely to be passed down to a child, I know how my body will react to certain drugs, and If I ever have kids and my gf does this too, we can tell what the child would be like.

Hopefully in the near future (as it's technically possible already) we will be able to see that we are both carriers of something like cystic fibrosis and be able to eliminate that from the the childs genome.

"The next generation of artists will be writing our genomes with the fluency that Blake and Byron wrote verses."
-Freeman Dyson

"Biology itself is now a canvas subject to aesthetic design- it implies that mankind will apply the intentions of his mind to influence the unfolding of biological processes. Think about this for a second. Evolution itself has just evolved and become self-aware."
-Jason Silva

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:24:54 2012 No.2971930 >>2971916 How does that prevent the human race from facing adversity? Drastic climate change, disaster of any kind, antibiotic resistant plagues. Anything could change the equation of what constitutes fitness.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:36:55 2012 No.2971949

>>2971930
It doesn't have any influence of those kind of disasters, apart from maybe antibiotic resistant plagues. I was commenting on the:
>and a selection bias will set in.
Natural selection will be made redundant if we have full control over our genomes. I agree that 'anything could change the equation of what constitutes fitness', but naturally mutating genomes will be irrelevant if we can tweak ourselves to cope with new environments.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 08:58:34 2012 No.2971978 >But anon, communism is bad

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 09:02:34 2012 No.2971981 >>2971949 Mutations are not particularly significant to evolution. That's the whole point. Its natural selection changes the population distribution more than it recognizes something new ex nihilo.

Anonymous Tue Sep 11 09:19:35 2012 No.2972003

>>2971892
No. It has not. Not unless everyone has exactly as many children which all have exactly as many children as their generation themselves... and also everyone is exactly as likely to die as anyone else.

Thriving, in genetic terms, means reproduction.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 09:22:35 2012 No.2972008 >I don't care about politics

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 09:34:47 2012 No.2972021 >politicians are all the same

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 11 10:25:16 2012 No.2972060 >Communism killed 100 million people

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