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>in lit class
>discussing the stranger
>not one person in class understands the book
>not even the professor

>> No.2938725

What is there to understand?

>> No.2938729

wow better come to /lit/ cause they'll understand the book and that feel

>> No.2938730

i know that feel

>> No.2938733

Does anyone have the name of that teacher who reviews things on Good Reads and doesn't understand like 80% of them then writes 1-star reviews of shit like The Stranger?

>> No.2938744

Hit us up, OP. What's The Stranger about?

>> No.2938739

Hurr durr I'm so smart guys, look at me, I understand The fucking Stranger! Come at me brahs, my comprehension skills are superior and y'all be mirin and identifying with my well-deserved pompousness and intelligence. Let's all revel in each other's glorious intellectual endavours and erudite analyses of distinctly difficult books such as 'The Stranger'. Why are everybody else such idiots?!??!

>> No.2938747

>Everyone in the class is stupid but me XD
Fuck off

>> No.2938752

OP never claimed to understand it.

What if OP is pissed because no one understands it and even the professor can't explain it to him?

>> No.2938756

On /fit/ this would be:

>in gym
>discussing form
>not one person in gym understands proper form
>not even the personal trainer

on /fa/
>in public
>discussing fashion
>not one person in the street understands fashion
>not even the bag lady

>> No.2938757

>>2938752
We prefer to presume and insult.

>> No.2938765

>be guy
>go on holiday
>randomly shoot a nig
>jail
>gonna get executed
>almost pray to jesus
>don't because fuck it

That's it.

>> No.2938775

OP here, The Stranger was a piece of shit and retardedly easy to read. It is simply the story of a rational, nihilistically-minded man who eventually kills a guy. In fact the literally only worthwhile part you need to read is the last few pages.

For some reason this shit has to fly over the heads of all the simplebrains in class and made me mad. Fucking dropped.

>> No.2938781

>>2938775
nah bro dude it's got a really deep meaning about life and like we are star stuff bro isn't that amazing it's like life is the universes way of becoming self-aware isn't that amazing bro.

peace and love man, farewell on your life journey have fine

peace

>> No.2938791

*sniff*, eh mang, you lookin to build some reading comprehension man, that's good, that's hella good, man, you just found /lit/"


"FUCK OUT DA WAY MAN, fuck out da way. Sup errybody. Ey I got dis issue, it's with readin comprehension. See y'all, I be readin The Stranger, that's a book y'all, in my English class, nawmsayin. But all dese here classmates ain't understanding the meaning man"


inb4opdoesn'tactuallywatchTMW

"

>> No.2938822

>>2938775
heh

it's like you people never heard of cliffs notes or anything

>> No.2938833

>>2938775
Mersault isn't a nihilist, though. He doesn't kill thay guy for the lulz, he does it for his bro. Camus wasn't a nihilist; he believed that we all have the power to make life meaningful.

>> No.2938835

>>2938791
Lold

>> No.2938837

>>2938833
>Camus wasn't a nihilist;
Yes, he was, you moron.

>he believed that we all have the power to make life meaningful.
No, he didn't. We're talking about the guy who said Kafka's stories are too hopeful.

Camus was an epistemological and ethical nihilist. The construction of a meaning was inevitable, but also futile.

>> No.2938840

___________________________________________________________
Everyone above this line was trolled, 10/10 for getting so many people so easily.

>> No.2938843

We read this in class, wasn't even literature class, we all got it.

And might i add i quite enjoy it.


>not one person in class <-means you aswell btw.

>> No.2938845

What is trolling and how can it be so acceptable?
The secret is like with the spoon of the matrix.
Was never a troll, never will be.

>> No.2938875

>>2938837
It's not futile. He goes forward by looking at contradictions within situations that allow us to go outside this futility and give the possibility of a new creation.

>> No.2938914

>>2938837
>Claims Camus is a nihilist
>All credibility immediately destroyed

Get a tripcode so I can ignore all the other bullshit you spout please.

>> No.2938924

>>2938875
>>2938914
Do you just not understand what nihilism means? Camus was a nihilist.

>> No.2938925

>>2938837
>Camus
>nihilist

Get a load of this cat. I bet he thinks that Nietzsche was, too.

>> No.2938934

>>2938924
No he wasn't. In fact his work combat nihilism.

>> No.2938936

>>2938875
>He goes forward by looking at contradictions within situations that allow us to go outside this futility and give the possibility of a new creation.
This is a typical misreading of Camus, and it's best summed up with the misinterpretation of his famous quote "One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
It's not a call to action. It's a simple declaration. We are forced to see Sisyphus as an contented being. The ones who don't regress to the other parts outlined by him, philosophical suicide, actor, etc.
And I already summed this up:
>inevitable, but also futile

>> No.2938940

>>2938925
No, Nietzsche was not a nihilist.

>>2938934
His works do not combat nihilism, they outline and describe the absurd as a response to nihilism, not necessarily a refutation of it, more like a way of dealing with it.

>> No.2938944

>implying a professor would be a professor of literature if he thought the goal of study was "to understand the book."

This isn't high school.

>> No.2938946

this board is full of mega trolls
fucking dropped

>> No.2938952

>>2938936
It has nothing to do with a misreading of a quote, it's simply his philosophy, and you can see this use of contradiction throughout his works.

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2938953

>>2938775

OP may be spot on.
Ever since I read Sartre's review of The Stranger, I totally don't look at it (i.e. CARE about it) the same way.

>> No.2938960

>>2938952
>It has nothing to do with a misreading of a quote
And now you're misreading what I said. Your credibility is suffering now.
What I said:
>a typical misreading... and it's best summed up

His philosophy was descriptive, not prescriptive. Camus' points were about how and why, not what to do. He was a nihilist. He recognized nihilism as the prevailing factor of absurdity, the fact that we do not know and the inability to know of it or even to know what "it" might even be. That's epistomological nihilism.
He recognized absurdity as an ethical dilemma in the same sense. This is ethical nihilism, and his ethical nihilism is exactly why he's lumped in with Sartre because existential nihilism is closely linked with ethical nihilism.

>> No.2938967

>>2938960
>you misread my reply, it wasn't even I reply I was just spouting generalisations!
lrn2conversation

>> No.2938971

>in philosophy class
>discussing Bataille
>professor is an unkempt forever alone druggie
>I'm like a younger version of him
>too afraid to connect with him

we could've gotten drunk and discussed the horror of social theater together ;_;

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>>2938756
I honestly can't understand how some people can act so smug on those boards. They literally have no idea what they're talking about. /fa/ talks about gothninja like it's the prevailing mode of dress; /fit/ complains about not having Zyzz-tier mass after doing ten push-ups.

/fit/s fine where it is, but /fa/ definitely needs to be removed from the "Creative" heading. There's nothing creative about dressing like a dad or an edgy nun.


I guess I just felt like going on a tangent.

>> No.2938973

>>2938940
>confirmed for never reading anything by Camus that wasn't The Stranger

>> No.2938974

>>2938967
No. That's not what happened. We can read the thread right here, you shouldn't try to twist words.
I said Camus is misread as being prescriptive. This misreading _is best summed up_ with a quote which people often misunderstand.
Then it was replied that I said they misread a quote. I'm saying they misread his work, not a single quote.
How can anyone read something like The Plague or The Stranger and not see that Camus' point is the inevitability of meaning and a countered inevitability of its collapse as a sufficient source of meaning?

>> No.2938978

>>2938973
I've read The Plague, The Stranger, The Rebel, and The Myth of Sisyphus, and I've discussed Sartre and Camus with two world lit professors and a philosophy professor multiple times when I was obsessed with their works years ago.
What's funny is how militant you guys are about your desire to make Camus somehow optimistic. It's quite absurd.

>> No.2938984

>>2938978
Camus wasn't entirely pessimistic, though. I doubt someone would suggest an empowering revolt against the Absurd as being without optimism.

>> No.2938989

>>2938984
>I doubt someone would suggest an empowering revolt against the Absurd as being without optimism.
You're forgetting Camus' (personally acknowledged) debt to Kafka. Camus suggests this revolt only as a means, not an end. There is no end.

>> No.2938991

>>2938989
Meant to make a point there:
This is where Camus called Kafka "too hopeful," because Kafka at least presented the absurd with loopholes or attempts to get out of it. Camus sees no such presentation, only a continuation of revolt and defeat.

>> No.2938995

>>2938960
>descriptive not prescriptive
>one MUST imagine Sisyphus happy
Not to mention every single one of his other essays. I think you're mistaking Camus for his ideal of the absurd man here.

>> No.2939002

>>2938974
Yet you're claim isn't the inevitability of meaning (which is not what Camus states, both Camus and Sartre only see meaning as something which is created from effort), it's about how the world is inherently meaningless or futile. The only thing I can take this as is a complete misunderstanding of the Myth of Sisyphus from what I've seen from you so far.

>> No.2939006

>>2938995
>>one MUST imagine Sisyphus happy
I could've sworn I already mentioned this. Pretty sure I did...

>>2938936
Yes. Yes, I already did.

You're making a mistake about what "must" means.
>to be _commanded_ or requested

It's not a call to action. It's a point about inevitability. It's inevitable to see Sisyphus as happy, it's a must. Those who don't exhibit the problems Camus described earlier in the work.

>> No.2939009

>rational, nihilistically-minded man who eventually kills a guy

>rational

is this what nihilists actually believe?
but muh science

>> No.2939011

>>2939002
> it's about how the world is inherently meaningless or futile.
No. You're again not grasping what I'm saying.

>>2938960
>Camus' points were about how and why, not what to do. He was a nihilist. He recognized nihilism as the prevailing factor of absurdity, the fact that we do not know and the inability to know of it or even to know what "it" might even be. That's epistomological nihilism.
>He recognized absurdity as an ethical dilemma in the same sense. This is ethical nihilism

When you say " both Camus and Sartre only see meaning as something which is created from effort" you are right there admitting that they both are nihilists. They see no meaning present outside of consciousness' construction of one.

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2939014

I'm just glad nihilism is wrong.

>> No.2939018

>literature class
>discussing philosophy

there's your problem, OP. drop the class and switch it for one in philosophy.

>> No.2939030

>>2939014
It's right. But trying to cope with it is wrong.

>> No.2939056

>>2939030
>It's right
But it is wrong you fucking retard.

>But trying to cope with it is wrong.
In a nihilist world there are no wrongs.
see nihilism can easily be used against you

still wrong though

>> No.2939106

>>2939056
>missing the point of Camus' work
iShiggy

>> No.2939115

>>2939106
I'm not talking about camus.
fuck him anyways.

>> No.2939122

>>2939115
he'd probably make you less angsty

>> No.2939135

>>2938757
This is 4chan, after all. People are cunts here just because.

>> No.2939140

>>2938833
>he does it for his bro
No, he does it because of the sun. If you'd paid attention you see that Meursault talks extensively of his physical environment and how it affects him, rather than making reflections about emotional judgments.

During that encounter scene the only fucking thing on his mind is the immediate environment

No spoilers because this is crucial if you want to get the book.

>> No.2939183

>>2939140
if you'll look more closely you'll notice that he does it as a plot device and that it's a nouveau roman-esque provocation to the reader to think about the way our conventional ideas of narrativity impact our lives.

>> No.2939186

>>2939056
>wrong
>right
>good
>evil
>>/christianity/
Nihilists don't care about your opinion.

>> No.2939210

>>2939183
whoa, that actually is a better interpretation of the stranger than what i've heard tossed around before.

>> No.2939217

>>2939186
>hurr so edgy
"Nihilists" (taking nihilism to its logical conclusion either means indifference or going into a catatonic state of pure indifference) are faggots.

they aren't even philosophers

>> No.2939219

>>2939183
cool definition of the word literature
>>2939210
not sure if troll

>> No.2939221

>>2939217
woops

i meant its either suicide or going into a catatonic state of pure indifference

>> No.2939222

>>2939217
>implying any nihilists do that

do you even read?

>> No.2939232

>>2939222
Who gives a fuck, "nihilists" in philosophy are very few and the rest are a bunch of edgy 4channers like you.

you probably belong on /sci/

>> No.2939233

>>2939219
what's your objection to it?? i'm the first guy.

>> No.2939234

>>2939232
and by philosophy I mean actual philosophy.

not shit eaters like camus or any eastern fucks like laoloser

>> No.2939240

>>2939232
>no, i don't even read

>/sci/
>implying

>> No.2939245

>>2939240
>hurr memes guise so fanny durr its all meaningless guise hurr da game lulz epic lulz hurrr

>> No.2939259

>>2939245
Nihilism wins again

>> No.2939265

Did you speak up and put forward your own interpretation of the text op?
No, of course you didn't. You just sat there thinking about how "awesome" a thread this would be on /lit/ later on.

>> No.2939304

>>2938972
>/fit/ complains about not having Zyzz-tier mass after doing ten push-ups.

they complain about people complaining about that, everybody does squats on /fit/

>> No.2939314

I had my first English class of the semester, we had to say if we enjoy reading or not. I said I do. The girl next to me asked me what books I like, I told her my favorite authors are Gogol, Hesse, and Nabokov, and that I mostly enjoy Russian literature. She said he favorite author is GRRM and she primarily reads sci-fi and fantasy, and that her favorite series is the Eragon series.

>> No.2939317

>>2939259
Nope.

>> No.2939320

Ha ha hodge twins are fucking hilarious

>> No.2939321

ITT: Captain Entry Level lords his pathetic knowledge over happily oblivious plebs

Like every /lit/ thread

>> No.2941302

Bump for quality

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2941354

>Kill someone
>Explain to police that it is a form of art and that they are suppressing my creative genius by trying to arrest me
>Nobody understands it
>Not even the judge