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2933198 No.2933198[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Hey /lit/.

What's the difference between Machiavellianism, utilitarianism and pragmatism?

>> No.2933203

Utilitarianism is about promoting the total utility, so is at heart egalitarian. Machiavellianism can be taken to just be any ruthless, pragmatic approach to furthering one's own ends (the end of the Prince in question, or, perhaps, "the state".

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2933216

>yfw Machiavellianism and Objectivism are the same thing

>> No.2933217

Utilitarianism and pragmatism are both forms of Machiavellianism, which follows the consequentialist logic where end does justify means.

>> No.2933223 [DELETED] 

>>2933217
See
>>2933198

>> No.2933236

Machiavellianism, utilitarianism, pragmatism, consequentialism, deontology; it's all pretty much the same shit. Just read the Wikipedia.

>> No.2933242

the prince is satire

look it up, it's the only reasonable interpretation once you factor in the historical, biographical, and social context

>> No.2933250

Tupac

>> No.2933254

>>2933242
No, he wrote as a cover letter / cv to get a post in the Medici government.

>> No.2933261

>>2933242
Italy was in a desperate situation. It's not unreasonable that even a republican like Machiavelli would have been prepared to support a prince if it meant an end to the senseless warfare and foreign invasions.

If we're going for alternate interpretation of the Prince, I prefer Gramsci's. He claimed the book's purpose was to reveal how politics really worked to the common people.

>> No.2933285

>>2933261
I take something like Gramsci's too. If you take that to the logical conclusion though, it removes in the mind of the common (or at least closer to common) people this idea that power or leadership should remain in the hands of a few elite families and that anyone can pursue it. I find it debases the very idea of the Prince it advocates.

>> No.2933497

>>2933236
>it's all pretty much the same shit
Go back and reread those articles now.

>> No.2933537

>>2933242
this

here's allan bloom's lectures on the prince:
http://www.machiavelliblog.org/2009/03/machiavelli-lecture-from-allan-bloom.html

very much worth listening to if you want to understand the book and Machiavelli in general