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lets play a game. im sure most of you know are aware of the dungeons and dragons character alignment chart so im not gonna explain it. lets fill it with photos/quotes of philosophers that fit.

>> No.2909404
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>> No.2909418

the dapper-scruffy gentleman-ruffian chart is better

>> No.2909436

>>2909393
Obviously Nietzsche goes straight into evil with his 'there is no good or evil, only POWER'. That's exactly what every bad guy ever says right before they do something really evil.

>> No.2909440
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here is my attempt.

>> No.2909443

>>2909436
pretty only voldemort ever said that

>> No.2909445

>>2909443
Eternal recurrence, breh. It's basically like reincarnation so voldemort is nietzsche.

>> No.2909448

>>2909436
Nietzsche is too obvious and boring. there are other philosophers more deserving.

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>> No.2909499
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>>2909492

>> No.2909500

>>2909443
Dude from Enter the Dragon too. And I'm pretty sure this is the tip of a bad guy iceberg.

>> No.2909504

>>2909448
Well Ayn Rand is another shoe-in for EVIL. But I imagine you didn't mean her.

>> No.2909518
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>>2909504
actually she is a better choice. beats pulling shit out of my ass like this.

>> No.2909521

>>2909470

>Cassie
>Evil

She was a messed up mental junkie, not evil.

>> No.2909527

>>2909518
I was going to do the whole
>Zizek
>philosopher
thing but that quote is fucking perfect.

>> No.2909528

>>2909521

Vindictive slut; nihilist

>> No.2909530
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so this is going well.

>> No.2909532

>>2909518
Machiavelli HAS to be lawful evil
Also i'd vote Nietzsche for neutral Evil, Jeremy Bentham should be lawful Neutral(for inventing the panopticon).

As for good I'm not sure. I guess Rousseau should be lawful good since he believed that everyone was innately good or something.

>> No.2909533

>>2909527
i know right. obviously the whole thing is just for kicks but I think it fits perfectly. also the photo.

>> No.2909536

Kant lawful good

spinoza lawful evil

>> No.2909537

>2012
>still believing in a good vs. evil dichotomy

stay pleb /lit/

>> No.2909538
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>> No.2909544

>>2909528

>Mental Disorders
>Addict
>Suicidal

>> No.2909545

>>2909532

>Nietzsche
>Evil

Hi Kant, umad?

>> No.2909546

>>2909537
now thats what I call edgy

>> No.2909548

>>2909530
who's da bald dude

>> No.2909549

>>2909544
I agree with you buddy, I'd put Cassie as chaotic neutral.

>> No.2909550

>>2909548
peter kropotkin

>> No.2909551

>>2909518
>chaotic evil
>not Sade
ohshitniggerwhatareyoudoing.jpg

>> No.2909556

>>2909546

>The entire point of existentialism and moral subjectivism
>Edgy

Summer's over soon, right?

>> No.2909558

>>2909551

I'm not sure, Sade didn't see himself as evil, nor was he. He was just a fetishist who didn't give a shit what other people though. 120 days of sodom was not a factual account.

From my point of view I'd put him as chaotic good.

>> No.2909562

>>2909556
you must be really popular with your friends

>> No.2909564

>>2909546
No it was edgy 200 years ago. Now it's well accepted to the point that no philosopher even tries to prove morality. unless you're a Randroid

>> No.2909566

>>2909562

As opposed to someone who uses the word "edgy" to put down things he doesn't understand?

Also, confirmed for summerfag.

>> No.2909567

>>2909558
what's good about him? he clearly had mental issues

>> No.2909568

>>2909530
>>2909538
>>2909518
>>2909492
>Schopes is neutral and not neutral evil
Guy was all about the world is an ass and shit. Lao Tzu is more like pure neutral.

>> No.2909569

>>2909566
no one is putting anything down or arguing for any viewpoint you gigantic twat. only a few posts above I said the whole thing is just for fun.

>> No.2909572

>>2909568
i assumed this was western philosophy. If not then Buddha should be true neutral.

>> No.2909573

>>2909568
>>2909572
yes id prefer it if we kept it to western only

>> No.2909574

>>2909567

>Fetishes
>Mental issues

Lrn2psychology then pick the top one.
He tried to get people to live life on their own terms, what's bad about it?

>> No.2909577

>>2909569

>Movegoalpostshewon'tnotice

>> No.2909578

>>2909574
Ever read Juliette? She hangs out with a group of people who collectively get off on stealing innocents to prison or starving hundreds of people.

>> No.2909580

>>2909578
>stealing innocents to prison
fuck me, I meant "stealing and sending innocents to jail"

>> No.2909581

>>2909578

Which obviously means he advocated people actually doing that.

>> No.2909583

>>2909581
Yes. He literally tried to get people to live life on their own terms, and if some people get a boner from doing evil acts, they shouldn't restrain themselves.

>> No.2909585

>>2909573
What about Sam Harris or Herbert Spencer for lawful evil?

>> No.2909586

>>2909581
Have you not read anything of his autobiography, do you now know the scandals he was involved in?

>> No.2909588

>>2909574
p.s. paranoid people and schizophrenics also "live life on their own terms". stop using empty language to refer to casting away your conscience.

>> No.2909589

>>2909585
i dont know anything about either of those, you can edit it if you want. my previous idea for lawful evil was machiavelli

>> No.2909592

>>2909585
sam harris should not be on at all imo: just a cultural phenomenon at present

>> No.2909593

>>2909583

Not that guy but being evil does require morality to exist. Given that it doesn't...

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2909594

it was an honor to contrib00t.

>> No.2909595

>>2909588

Stop using hollow phrases to try and force your own subjective crap on me.

>> No.2909597

>>2909593
oh boy, another 15 year old on /lit/, just what we needed! i guess we should do away with prisons since morality doesn't exist right? glad you've figured it all out. fyi, you missed out the word objective, which even if you had included it would have counted for nothing anyway. if you live in a society, it governs what is moral.

>> No.2909598

>>2909589
That's contentious. Very few people take the Prince as presented, and it certainly doesn't represent his work as a whole.

>> No.2909600

>>2909597

>The majority determines what is morally right
>Call someone else 15 whilst believing this.

Yes, determinism negates the entire concept of justice.

>> No.2909606

I love the fact people are interested in philosophy. It's just a shame it's so misunderstood. In time I hope that these views have matured. Sorry to sound belittling, it is perfectly fair that people have to start somewhere!

>> No.2909607

>>2909597
>i guess we should do away with prisons since morality doesn't exist right?

legal traditions ≠ objective morality
Jesus Christ are you seriously this retarded?

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>>2909600
>Yes, determinism negates the entire concept of justice.

mfw I read this

>> No.2909611

>>2909607
>Jesus Christ

Lawful Good perhaps?

Why don't you all stop your pointless argument and get back to epic game.

>> No.2909612

>>2909610

It does, if we have no choice in our actions we have no responsibility for them. Being innately unable to perceive this easily as humans doesn't change it.

>> No.2909624

The existence of a subjective morality does not depreciate it in any way in lieu of an objective one.

die nihilists lol

>> No.2909628

>>2909624

>The existence of a subjective mathematics does not depreciate it in any way in lieu of an objective one.

ftfy

>> No.2909631

>>2909628
just lol

>> No.2909632

put icp in the fucken graph boys

>> No.2909634
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Here's the old one. For inspiration.

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>>2909436
>only POWER
that reminds me

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>>2909634

>mfw I was just about to suggest Ayn Rand as lawful evil

>> No.2909646

Kropotkin is chaotic good. FIX IT.

>> No.2909653

>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632
>>2909632

>> No.2909658

>>2909631
yes you're right. It's wonderful that morality, one of the most important subjects in the world, is left up entirely to the impulsive, fickle, emotional, easily swayed, unpredictable world of human opinion. I don't know what I was thinking.

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alright im back. added bertrand russell but changed the photo to one I like better. whats next? we still have 4 to go.

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>>2909671
re upload. changed bertrand russells quote color and fixed a typo.

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>>2909671

ftfy

>> No.2909684

>>2909658

It's not. Google 'Christianity'. You're welcome.

>> No.2909702

>>2909658
You want to hand everything over to a computer?

MiteBcool.

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schopenhauer moved to neutral evil. who should be true neutral?

>> No.2909720

>>2909714

Jamie Madrox.

>> No.2909721 [DELETED] 

>>2909714


Krishnamurti

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

>> No.2909723

Krishnamurti

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiddu_Krishnamurti

>> No.2909728

>>2909714
who's that in the bottom right corner?

>> No.2909732

>>2909728

Nate the Mack.

>> No.2909740

>>2909714

buddha

>> No.2909805

>>2909723
>>2909740
western only

>>2909728
slavoj zizek

>> No.2909806

>>2909805
Buddha is Western [spoile]Asia.

>> No.2909810

what alignment would you say Wittgenstein represents?

>> No.2909812

>>2909810

Neutral Gay

>> No.2909815

>>2909812
i was thinking of putting him either in True Neutral ot Neutral Good

>> No.2909817

>>2909815

True Neutral, because it's hard to find True Neutral and we already have many good candidates for Neutral Good.

>> No.2909820

Lawful Good - Plato
Neutral Good - Voltaire
Chaotic Good - Camus
Lawful Neutral - Hobbes
True Neutral - Stirner
Chaotic Neutral - Nietzsche
Lawful Evil -
Neutral Evil - Rand
Chaotic Evil -

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>>2909820 here.
I made this.

Still need the last two spots.

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two more to go. who should be Lawful Good and who should be Neutral Good?

>> No.2909942

>>2909876
I don't know much about his philosophy or writing, but I want to read some just because of how utterly cool Camus looks in every picture of him. And I want a coat like that.

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>> No.2909996

Why does Russell's quote sound so much like Freud, and why does Bentham's quote sound so much like Kant (or maybe it is Kant?)..

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>>2909996
its a real Russell quote, i verified it. also yes, that is Kant. in any case, here is the finished version the way i see it.

>> No.2910068

>>2910029
I don't see why the Russel picture was changed, his image is so much more distinguished as an older man with his iconic tobacco pipe

>> No.2910348

>>2910029
>>2909996
That Russel quote is from his BBC broadcast series, "Social Cohesion and Human Nature" it's a really interesting glimpse into the intellectual life of the modern period (back when they actually thought things could drastically change for the better) definitely worth a watch, here's part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0-_9hiVc70

>> No.2910841

bump

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>>2910029
>Marx
>not Lawful Evil

>Zizek
>being anywhere on this chart

>> No.2911280

>>2911219
Selfishness is one of the primary factors in whether or not someone is evil in D&D terms. Whether you think Marx's ideas were good or not, he meant well.