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2880915 No.2880915[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Im currently reading The Blue and Brown Books by Wittgenstein, but i stumbled across a passage im not entirely sure about.

In the Brown book Wittgenstein talks about how people judge an objects color. An example is how a person would normally judge the color of four objects, compared to how a person would count four objects.

What did /lit/ get from reading this passage?

>> No.2880926

>>2880915
Are you seriously just out of the blue asking for my opinion on a specific passage out of a book read maybe five years ago?

Why not ask how my breakfast was on may 12th 2008?

>> No.2880941

Well, tell me about your breakfast then?

Yes i am asking you, as well as everyone else who stumbles across the question..

>> No.2880943

Quote the passage.

>> No.2880953

Somewhat hard seeing as i am reading a translated version. I havn't been able to get my hands on the original or an english version yet. There basically isn't more to it than the four objects, and how someone would judge their color.

I know it's a longshot, but the board isn't really floating with content anyways..

>> No.2880958

It's not like this is one of Wittgenstein's most famous examples. No one is going to know what you're talking about unless you quote it.

>> No.2880962

>>2880953

Give me the German translation, I can read it.

>> No.2880967

>>2880953
what's your first language op

>> No.2880969

>>2880953

Or French or anything for that matter won't be to hard for me.

>> No.2880974

>>2880941
>>2880951
That was the day after I started chemo and threw up my fruit loops. Something about those artificial colors, while so appetizing in a cereal bowl seems exceptionally disgusting in a toilet bowl.

>> No.2880979

"Hey, what did you guys think of this obscure passage in this book? I'm not going to tell you which passage though."

OP, no one can help you if you don't give some more fucking details.

>> No.2880985

>>2880962
>german translation
>translation
wut?

>> No.2881008

I know but i can't really do more than describing the passage, seeing as i'm reading it in danish. No need to bash me, i am fully aware that the chance for someone remembering the passage im talking about is pretty low.

It's not that i won't inform you off which passage im talking about, not that i won't quote it either. It just wouldn't help..

>> No.2881015

>>2881008

I can read Norwegian. Post the passage.

>> No.2881022

>>2881008
for helvede man post the fucking passage

>> No.2881035

The Brown Book, Chapter II paragraph 9. I just realised that the entire paragraph was needed for it to make any sense.

>> No.2881062

>>2881035

He's comparing it to the earlier examples in which B can recognize 'pencil' but only given a particular context and then there might seem to be a rule which applies each time it is appropriate to call something a pencil. He's not talking about counting. The numbers he mentions are pointing you to his other examples.

So, he's talking about how when B sees red, B says, "This is red." Then he asks how B ought to answer the question of how he knows he's seeing red. Wittgenstein doesn't directly address this but in Philosphical Investigations, dealing with similar examples, he says the appropriate response is to say something like, "Because I speak English (or German or whatever)." The point is that knowledge is behavioral, contextual and social as opposed to something like absolute, objective and referential.

>> No.2881075

http://www.amazon.com/Remarks-Colour-Ludwig-Wittgenstein/dp/0520037278

Try this for clarification on his thought on color