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>yfw you realize classics is the only real humanities major left and everyone else has been eaten by the 2deep4u monster
>yfw literature as a study STARTED as 2deep4u nonsense and deified the false complexity of joyce just to give them something to do
>yfw even continental philosophy is a circlejerk

SWITCH TO CLASSICS AND HISTORY

IT'S NOT TOO LATE

>> No.2806725

>joyce
>false complexity

SHIGGA DE WOPWOP DOOPDIBOP BOPDIGGITYSHIGGITYWOPPADOPPADOO

>> No.2806729

The OP's verbosity is baffling, but the study of the classics is very good.

>> No.2806742

>>2806725
This.

For all intents and purposes, OP, Joyce is 12deep24you.

>> No.2806747

Care to explain the 2deep4u phenomenon you mention?

>> No.2806749

"Finnegans Wake is a concatenation of puns committed in a dreamlike English that is difficult not to categorize as frustrated and incompetent. I don’t think that I am exaggerating. Ameise, in German, means “ant.” Joyce, in Work in Progress, combines it with the English amazing to coin the adjective ameising, meaning the wonder inspired by an ant. Here is another example, perhaps less lugubrious. Joyce fuses the English words banister and star into a single word, banistar, that combines both images.

Jules Laforgue and Lewis Carroll have played this game with better luck."
- Jorge Luis Borges

>> No.2806752

>>2806729
He's not verbose, you're just simple. Would you prefer he speak in archaic three letter sentences so your simple mind could grasp the concept?

Translation:
>yfw realize only classic left
>yfw literature start as nonsense
>yfw philosophy bad

Switch2classic

Actually, now that I think about it; OP is kind of a verbose faggot.

>> No.2806758

>>2806749
I hope you're not remiss to mention as well that Ulysses was one of Borges' favorite novels.

>> No.2806763

>>2806752
How's the autism?

>> No.2806772

>>2806758

What?
If I recall correctly he said that he admired what Joyce was trying to do with the structure of Ulysses but there was a lot that was 2deep4u.

>> No.2806819

>>2806772
so borges confirmed for pleb?

>> No.2806826

>>2806772

You're misconstruing what he said.

The thing we must understand is that no one will ever understand Ulysses completely. Borges was saying that despite that facet of the work, it remains brilliant.

Basically, 2deep4u in a good way.

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2806827

wtf @ retroanalyzing what's already occurred w/o looking forward into what will become the classics

it's battle rap invented by those darkies you subliminally hate /lit/ and it's here to stay forever

pic related is the most accomplished literary contributor in the 21st century today

>> No.2806829

>>2806826

You will never understand this sentence completely.

>> No.2806830

>>2806827
That's not the RZA.

>> No.2806831

>>2806827

I bet you haven't even read The Signifying Monkey, you just want to put rap out there as an artform because you know it will rustle jimmies.

>> No.2806832

>>2806829
Well it's a bland sentence, and I don't think it deserves any examination no matter how complex it may be.

>> No.2806837

>>2806831

no not really battle rap is the way literature and drama are moving

it's cute you attempt to white-wash it w/ "signifying", though, as if subsuming the form into academia will somehow legitimize what already bodies half of the insights of normal writers

i bet you haven't even watched aye verb vs. hollow

>> No.2806840

>>2806830

no offense to da god n his hustle but ice bodies him every way shape and form

hood metonymy infused w/ double-entendre, charisma and verbosity = unreplicable style

Head Ice is possibly the only original cultural product of the modern day

>> No.2806841

>>2806826
>>2806819


Yeah but if Borges found it 2deep4u then that just means to us mere humans its 3deep5u.

>> No.2806842

>>2806837

>Henry Louis Gates Jr. white-washing anything

You're just a willfully ignorant hillbilly, hm?

>> No.2806846

>>2806842
so hillbillies love niggers now? sign me up for the klan then

>> No.2806854

>>2806837
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pzO9-LgxUM
wtf is this shit

>> No.2806861

>>2806854

large clips enter rides
cars flip, injure guys
i beam his whole team up
starship enterprise

captain marketable at his finest
of course /lit/ proves they can't recognize good writing off put as they are by the negro aesthetic smfh @ frail pale sub-level racists

also that 2nd from hollow is totally freestyle and one of his goat rounds

>> No.2806868

What is the "2deep4u monster"? Modernism?

As far as I know, 2deep4u is what you say on 4chan to call someone stupd for not liking something which is known for being clever. No more, no less.

>> No.2806874

>classics

there's a reason the classics are introduced in grade school

>> No.2806913

>>2806717
>yfw even continental philosophy is a circlejerk

That has no relevance to doing a philosophy major in an Anglo country.

>> No.2806938

SWITCH TO MATHEMATICS
IT'S NOT TOO LATE

>> No.2806940

>>2806826

>The thing we must understand is that no one will ever understand Ulysses completely.

Perhaps there isn't anything to understand.

>> No.2806944

>>2806832
You will never understand any sentence completely, dummy.

There is no "thing" to be understood behind words.

>> No.2806949

things that confuse me are scary

>> No.2806950

>>2806949
>>2806949
>>2806949

>> No.2806951

/sci/ visiting. You can always join us in the hard sciences, math, or engineering. Peace.

>> No.2806953

>>2806944

>There is no "thing" to be understood behind words.

Do you just take everything said to you completely literally?

>> No.2806954

>>2806951

And you can always get over your fear of abstraction and learn to think

-/lit/

>> No.2806957

>>2806954

Math is about as abstract as it gets. I'm not trying to interject myself into your faggoty catfight either, just pointing out the obvious.

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2806962

>>2806957
>Math is about as abstract as it gets.

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>>2806957

>Math is about as abstract as it gets

>> No.2806969

>>2806962

There is a difference between abstraction and nonsense.

>>2806965

A truly devastating rebuttal.

>> No.2806970

>>2806957
I know what you're trying to say, but yeah adding 1+1 is math and not abstract.

Be more specific.

>> No.2806975

>>2806969
>There is a difference between abstraction and nonsense.
So what you mean is that math is the most abstract thing you're comfortable with and/or are able to comprehend. This is different to math being the most abstract thing evar.

>> No.2806976

>>2806970

Arithmetic is still an abstraction. All language, math included, is an abstraction.

>> No.2806978

>>2806953
It's not because words are simple and literal, it's because words are complex that there is nothing concrete behind. It's a fog of memories, references, lies, notions, prejudices, contexts, translations, intentions, emotions, instincts, abstractions... And absolutely no solid ground for you to step, map and say you understood it completely. Anything. We just believe in them or not and I believe that you believe, so we are able to talk.

>> No.2806979

>>2806976

So in what way is math more abstract than art in the form of language?

>> No.2806980

>>2806975

No, that isn't what I meant. I'm not threatened by that painting you posted, I don't even think it looks bad. It's interesting, but if you think there is some deep meaning behind it you are a fool.

>> No.2806981

>>2806969
You really have no clue what abstraction and nonsense means.

>> No.2806983

>>2806980
Abstractions = deep meaning now ?

>> No.2806986

>>2806984

As does language/literature. How is one more abstract than the other?

>> No.2806987

>>2806980
I don't think there's any deep meaning behind 1+1, and you say that's an abstraction.

Abstraction =/= deep meaning

>> No.2806984

>>2806970
He's right though. Math is generally abstract. It deals with things that don't have concrete existence.

>> No.2806985

>>2806978

Literature has destroyed your mind.

>> No.2806988

>>2806983

No, but a physical painting is less abstract by definition than math is.

>> No.2806989

Actually literature started out as a dumbed-down version of classics for commoners who couldn't be arsed learning Greek and Latin.

>> No.2806990

>>2806981

You are literally a moron.

>> No.2806991

>>2806984
But children learn arithmetic with concrete items (blocks and coins).

>> No.2806992

>>2806991

Those blocks and coins aren't the same as the abstractions used to represent them

>> No.2806993

>>2806749
he makes joyce sound lame. also how is 'ameising' lugubrious?

>> No.2806994

>>2806990
Cool rebuttal bro.

Back to /sci/.

>> No.2806995

>>2806980
>I'm not threatened by that painting you posted
No one has said you are threatened. Though maybe you are, and now you're aFreud you're making fraidian slips.

>if you think there is some deep meaning behind it you are a fool.
You think there is some deep meaning behind maths? There is something about abstract art, though it's difficult to describe. And it's not like abstract art doesn't have its intricacies. But I don't really see what meaning has to do with anything here.

>> No.2806996

>>2806986
>How is one more abstract than the other?

I don't see that claim in what I posted, and it's an implication at best in what he posted.

>>2806991

So? The number 1 is not a real entity. We learn language through concrete items too.

>> No.2806998

>>2806996
>We learn language through concrete items too.

Example?

>> No.2806999

>>2806986

>How is one more abstract than the other?

Because complex math is more removed from human experience. Great literature has to be connected to universal human experience in some way.

>> No.2807000

>>2806978
just because there is some abstraction behind words doesn't mean they're part of this fairy magic subjectivity land where no meaning except personal meaning can be drawn from them.

>> No.2807001

>>2806996

>Math is as abstract as it gets

Pretty solidly implied that, imo

>> No.2807004

>>2806988
Where is this PHYSICAL painting you're talking of?

>> No.2807005

>>2806913
Analytic philosophy is the biggest circlejerk of all time. It's just a really well ordered one. It's Math Problems: The Major for people too dumb to do real math, and people dumb enough to think social psychology and applied ethics theses are "doing philosophy."

>> No.2807006

>>2806994

I wish I could come up with a rebuttal worthy of yours. Let me see.....

Good one faggot!

>> No.2807007

>>2807004

In some gay museum.

>> No.2807008

>>2806999
He said LANGUAGE.
Math is just another LANGUAGE you dipshit.

>> No.2807009

>>2807007

The image of the painting isn't the same as the actual physical painting

>> No.2807010

>>2807007
And have you ever been in "Some Gay Museum" where this painting hangs? Or have you known it through the process of abstraction known as "reproduction"?

>> No.2807012

>>2807007
>calling museums gay

lol

This thread is over guys.

>> No.2807013

>>2806998
Children generally learn by being told the names of things, don't they?

>>2807005
>Analytic philosophy is the biggest circlejerk of all time. It's just a really well ordered one.

Hey now. That's only true of 99% of it.

>It's Math Problems: The Major for people too dumb to do real math

Read your Russell I see.

>and people dumb enough to think social psychology and applied ethics theses are "doing philosophy."

The state of applied ethics is pretty damn poor in my opinion.

>> No.2807014

>>2807012

/sci/fags gon' /sci/

>> No.2807016

>>2807008

Everyday language is less abstract than a math theorem. Everyday language is based in physical experience.

>> No.2807017

>>2807016

>laughingwittgenstein.tiff

>> No.2807019

>>2806988
No, it isn't. A Pollock painting is just paint and canvas exposed, but the process of painting it is there an image is a result of it and that emerges all alone with no meaning implied and nothing to hold on to.

Much like written math is still ink and paper, but you are focusing so much on the meaning of numbers you forget it is made of ink.

I don't know how a rational person who enjoys mathematics can be so illogical and biased to conclude that they can understand something so elaborated without going deep into studying it. You are ignoring that it is not your area and you know nothing about it and because of that you are blind to perceive there is something to know about it.

>> No.2807021

>>2807016
>Everyday language is based in physical experience.

Oh my. That is complete bullshit and you know it.

>> No.2807023

>>2807021
I think he doesn't.

He never stopped to think about it

>> No.2807024

>>2807017
>>2807021

Just once I would like to see you guys attempt an actual conversation rather than just replying with some variation of "nope!"

>> No.2807028

>>2807016
So is math.
There are no "grades" of "abstraction", you just get to say "abstractions", nothing else.

>> No.2807030

>>2807021

It is based on your interaction with the physical world. What else could it possibly be based on?

>> No.2807032

>>2807030
What else could math possibly be based on?

>> No.2807035

>>2807030
Could be the other way around though,
Read some Descartes., get yourself into idealism before going full empiricist.

>> No.2807041

>>2807032

Remember that this all started with me replying to

>And you can always get over your fear of abstraction and learn to think

Which was implying that people in scientific fields are incapable of abstract thought. Now this has devolved into a debate of levels of abstraction which is just....asinine.

>> No.2807043

>>2807030
What is imagination?

If all our language were focused on the physical experience, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

We'd be on /b/ talking about tits and what we had for breakfast

>> No.2807044

>>2807035

Oh my, I have never heard of these concepts before, you are opening a whole new world to me! Dip shit.

>> No.2807048

>>2807043

It is derived from real world experience, that doesn't mean we aren't capable of going farther than that with our thoughts. Oh man, you guys are exhausting.

>> No.2807054

>>2807048
You're exhausting with your implication that all people talk about in everyday life is eating, drinking, copulation, evacuation and snoring.

>> No.2807058

>>2807041
No, it started when it got stupid. Which was at:
>Math is about as abstract as it gets. I'm not trying to interject myself into your faggoty catfight either, just pointing out the obvious.

Wrong on all points.

>> No.2807059

>>2807044
Well, then prove them wrong.
>It is based on your interaction with the physical world
Where is that physical world you speak of? Prove me a world outside of me.
turboned

>> No.2807064

>>2807059
Ups forgot an r there
*Turbonerd
Giganerd
Teranerd

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2807066

Guys.

Guys.

This thread is balls.

>> No.2807067

>>2807059

Are you seriously going there? You are asking the impossible. Living your life on the assumption that others around you do not exist is irresponsible.

>> No.2807070

>>2807054

That is about 99% of it.

>> No.2807072

>>2807067
Protip: if you don't have the vaguest about philosophical concepts, don't get into arguments with people that do.

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>>2807066

>dat filename

>> No.2807078

>>2807072

If you knew anything worthwhile you would have just explained yourself rather than resorting to responses like this one.

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>materialism

>> No.2807086

>>2807067
First of all. I don't do shit with my life.
I haven't discovered prof of either. I try to live in both of those assumptions.
But the thing here is not about "responsibility" or the "way of living life", it's about "abstractions".

>> No.2807090

>>2807078
I'm not even the guy you were replying to.

Just giving you a protip.

>> No.2807093

>>2807086

I'm going to have to go back on my word here. This conversation is too fucking stupid to continue. I don't even think we really disagree with each other. This must end, I am leaving the thread, only the knowledge that you will eventually rot in the ground comforts me.

>> No.2807096

>>2807090

Protip: If you are a moron don't give out protips.

>> No.2807101

>>2807096
Then I will continue to give out protips.

You should stop though.

lel

>> No.2807102

>>2807093
It also comforts me, you and I rotting.

>> No.2807106

>>2806749
>implying borges as an "erudite" isn't overrated

GUYS I READ INTRODUCTORY PHILOSOPHY AND THE GERMANIC CANON, NOW I JUST COPY THAT AND PUT MORE SWORDS AND MIRRORS AND DILUTED IDEAS FROM THAT INTRODUCTORY PHILOSOPHY CAN I BE THE HERO OF EVERY WESTERN WHITE HETEROSEXUAL ACADEMIC NEOPHYTE IN THE WORLD?

>> No.2807111

>>2807106
>argentina
>white

Don't make me get /pol/ in here.

>> No.2807132

>>2807111
>implying /pol/ isn't full of retards
also most Argentines are of European background

>> No.2807140

>>2807132
>also most Argentines are of European background

ohboyherewego.jpg.exe

>> No.2807147

>tfw economics + history

you'll never know that (absence of) feel

>> No.2807186

I've only read like the first ten posts of this thread but I must point out that even the classics isn't immune to what OP calls the '2deep4u monster.' It's not uncommon for classics scholars to use theories such as structuralism or Jungian dream analysis when writing about myths, for example.
(Not that I think the classics or any humanities discipline is worthless.)

>> No.2807198

>>2807147
history of science is more rigorous

u jelly

>> No.2807199

>>2807186
>implying you can't say whatever you want in the academy as long as you have a fat industrial pseudo-intellectual who has displayed affinities to judaism to back what you're saying.

>> No.2807204

>>2807198
History of science doesn't get you employed, though. I admit, it's terribly interesting, but fundamentally non-practical.

>inb4 ima futurologist hurrdurr

economists still do a better job in predicting future technologies.

>> No.2807237

ANYTHING THAT ISN'T HIGHER MATH OR HEAVILY REQUIRES HIGHER MATH IS WORTHLESS AND IF YOU'RE STUDYING IT YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF

EVEN STUDYING HIGHER MATH AT AN INSTITUTION IS WORTHLESS BECAUSE ALL LEARNING INSTITUTIONS ARE SHALLOW AND CORRUPT. IF YOU AREN'T AN AUTODIDACT WITH A MASTERY OF HIGHER MATH YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF

>> No.2807239

>>2807237

i would offer a counterargument but anybody who takes academic advice from an australian deserves what they get

>> No.2807244

>>2807237
EVEN I, AS AN ACCOUNTING MAJOR, CAN APPRECIATE THE USEFULNESS AND NECESSITY OF MATH.

IT IS THROUGH NUMBERS THAT THIS WORLD IS DRIVEN.

>> No.2807248

>>2807244
POOR CAPSGUY, AUTOSAGED AS HE IS.

>> No.2807254

>>2807237
>tfw you were the best math/physics student of your school during high school together with your best friend but your family made you go to humanities

i can't even begin expressing my disgust for manlets.

>> No.2807256

>>2807239

Are you butthurt because you can't intuitively do quadratic equations and therefore a subhuman monster? Have the courage to end your mockery of a life and stop bleeding resources away from the real people.

>> No.2807259

>>2807256

nah i just like talking shit about australia

>> No.2807264

>>2806725
lold

>> No.2807270

>>2807254

You are the only true man in this thread. The rest of them are CATTLE. Take revenge on your family by slaughtering them.

>> No.2807280

>>2807270
Even if I belong to the math master race, I still bring the filthy taint of the humanities within me.