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2776010 No.2776010[DELETED]  [Reply] [Original]

Should you believe what empirical "proof" shows or own your personal experience?

>> No.2776015

Yes, sciencetism and radical scepticism is life denying.

>> No.2776028

Why so desperate not to be wrong...

>> No.2776357
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2776357

>Should you believe empirical proof or experience?

>> No.2777873

ummm

>> No.2777874

Well, I think they're both the same.

>> No.2777881

Experience is subjective
Proof is objective

See the problem? Believe what you feel until it's proven wrong is how you should live

>> No.2777900

>>2777881
>proven wrong
and you accept as proof things you experience??
you see the contradiction, right?

>> No.2777949

>>2777900
...No, that's my point. My experiences are grounded thus actual proof should replace my experience in belief

>> No.2777950

>>2777949
*Aren't

>> No.2777966

>>2777949
>My experiences are grounded
grounded consensus-reality?

>actual proof
and will this actual proof be an internal experience or sense data?

let me recap what you have
>i believe my feelings unless i dont, because the the external world provides a contradictory account.
>because my internal experience trumps the external

it isnt my fault that this is confusing
the confusion is the message

>> No.2777978

>>2777966
If you read my correction I said "Aren't grounded"

My argument reads
>I believe my experience unless I'm shown proof I'm wrong
>Proof is objective and thus is a stronger force than a single personal view

I'm sorry a single spelling error and the correction were to confusing for you

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2777984

>proof is objective

>> No.2777985

>>2777978
i take issue with your
>Believe what you feel until it's proven wrong

you cant trust your judgement to decide what qualifies as proof.
what is there to reccomend your judgement over anyone elses?

you dont understand that with or without the correction you are still floating a contradiction?

>to confusing for you
TOO confusing

>> No.2777992

>>2777985
I see, maybe you're right since I can't understand how you don't know what would count as proof

>> No.2777993

>>2777984
LOL.

>> No.2778010

>>2777992
im asking you about your model.
under your model what counts as proof?
if you walk that path slow enough the contradiction is obvious.

>> No.2778011

You realize "proof" from personal experience, and "proof" comes from the organized personal experiences of many.

>> No.2778015

Just believe whatever you want to believe. It doesn't matter.

>> No.2778018

>>2778011
my nigga

guy1: i could see how ancient peoples thought the sun revolved around the earth, it looks like it does.
guy2: what would it look like for the earth to revolve around the sun?

people personally set the bar for what qualifies as proof and are responsible for interpreting their own (and others collected) sense data.
there is no separating the two.

>> No.2778143 [DELETED] 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_the_Doll
go test your beliefs and get this doll and fuck with it.
take a picture of him and call him a nigger