/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.2773377]

What kind of literature would one be expected to have read if applying to a university course in English?

Sub Question: How many books do you manage to get through over a period of, say, a month?

[Anonymous No.2773385]

>>2773377
As much as one can. Between 4 and 20.

[CLEMENCEAU ! !SiGGXb2q1Y No.2773388]

5, 5

[CLEMENCEAU ! !SiGGXb2q1Y No.2773393]

>>2773388
>>2773377


> 5

[Anonymous No.2773401]

>>2773393
>>2773388
>>2773385
>>2773377

[Anonymous No.2773405]

>>2773401

[CLEMENCEAU ! !SiGGXb2q1Y No.2773408]

>>2773405

>mfw u just google imaged that

[Anonymous No.2773410]

This is now a Clemceau thread.

[Anonymous No.2773411]

Classics and any "respectable" literary fiction. They won't care about things like A Game of Thrones. Some Shakespeare will be important. The Bible is very important for getting allusions, so a few key Biblical texts - Genesis, Exodus, The Book of Job, Ecclesiastes, the Gospels, Revelation... Many universities won't mind if you haven't read any of the Bible, but top places like Oxbridge will want you to.

If can say you read something very challenging like Ulysses they may be impressed, but it's not that important.

I read one or two books a month.

[Anonymous No.2773413]

>>2773393
>>2773401
>>2773405
>>2773408

Hai guys, I'm new

[CLEMENCEAU ! !SiGGXb2q1Y No.2773418]

>>2773411

> wtf
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>mfw i fucked a bitch and her juice still seeps from my wounds,,,)))))>))))

[CLEMENCEAU ! !SiGGXb2q1Y No.2773423]

The complete works of Shakespeare + optionals.

[Anonymous No.2773428]

OP here. Is Dostoevsky obligatory?

[CLEMENCEAU ! !SiGGXb2q1Y No.2773432]

>>2773428

Absolutely not, I'd say have a solid grasp of mostttttt big happenings of Literature ever. Like imagine if someone was like 'modernism yeah?' and you were all 'duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh'.

[Anonymous No.2773443]

>university course in English

[CLEMENCEAU ! !SiGGXb2q1Y No.2773447]

>>2773443

okay then *mate* what the fuck do you suggest cunt

theyre all fucking uselss

[Anonymous No.2773452]

>>2773443

I will murder you in your sleep

[Anonymous No.2773525]

bampity

[Anonymous No.2773546]

I get through about 8-10 books a month.

However, most English classes won't have you read more than 4 or 5 a semester, if that.

[Anonymous No.2773548]

Hopefully it is just the required Freshman English course. In that case, you'll read one or two relatively simple novels.

If you are doing another course in English...well why? Quit wasting your life and take a useful course. You can read on your own time.

[Anonymous No.2773552]

>>2773447
>PhD in Math
>any job you want
>200k starting

[Anonymous No.2773564]

>>2773552

But I'm not good at maths...

and I realise English isn't the most financially viable course to take, but it's something I'm interested in and would like to study at degree level for the intellectual fulfillment it would bring. Simply reading in one's own time won't bring about the comprehensive knowledge of literature that a uni course will bring.

[Anonymous No.2773571]

>>2773564
god help us if you're being serious

[Anonymous No.2773578]

>>2773571

Why?

[Anonymous No.2773594]

>>2773578
Because University courses outside of Engineering/Comp Sci/Natural Sciences/Maths are designed for retarded children who aren't intellectually capable of chewing gum and walking at the same time. You are about spend $20,000 to have someone recommend you a few books, and then feed you some "interpretation" of it that can be found on wikipedia.

Then you'll graduate with a huge amount of debt, and realize that the only jobs you can find are the same jobs you could have found straight out of highschool. Get a degree that is worth something, or don't even waste your time.

[Anonymous No.2773600]

>>2773594

>Amerobese detected

[Anonymous No.2773607]

>>2773594

>implying I live in the US
>implying my university course will cost nearly as much as that
>implying I'll have to start paying it back before I earn X amount

[Anonymous No.2773620]

>>2773607

>further implying other countries' universities are as soulless and career-focused as american ones and are not actually save havens for intellectuals

[Anonymous No.2773616]

>>2773607
HECS bros 4 life

[Anonymous No.2773627]

>>2773607
>have 10k debt
>will have to start paying it back in 10 years or so
>implying I'm not in dead, in jail or on the run by the time

Nice try, government.

[Anonymous No.2773630]

>>2773616

Britfag actually, but props anyway!

>>2773620

>pic related; it's American university students lel

[Anonymous No.2773653]

>>2773620
>Going to college
>Not in the US

Enjoy your second-rate education. Just don't be surprised when real educated people burst into laughter upon reading your credentials.

[Anonymous No.2773658]

>>2773653
>Implying Oxford and Cambridge aren't the best universities in the world.

[Anonymous No.2773664]

>>2773658
>Implying they are
>Implying they aren't the only 2 top 25 Universities outside the US
>Implying the OP is attending either of them.

[Anonymous No.2773667]

>>2773653

>he thinks the US has superior educational institutes

[Anonymous No.2773679]

>>2773667
Aren't American freshmen literally an academic year behind their British equivalents at the same age?

[Anonymous No.2773681]

>>2773664
>implying that the best universities aren't in the US

[Anonymous No.2773682]

>>2773564
>English major
>intellectual fulfillment

Oh my. Do you also still own coloring books, and play with blocks?

[Anonymous No.2773683]

>>2773679
No.

[Anonymous No.2773685]

>>2773679
Most likely but that has nothing to do with our universities. Its our shitty public schools and indeed they are shitty.

Stanford, Ivy League, Berkeley, MIT. They are all in the US

[Anonymous No.2773689]

>>2773682

If you don't consider literature a genuine academic study or art in its own right, then what are you even doing on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.2773697]

>>2773594
This. Majoring in english was perhaps advantageous 40 years ago. We're living in an information age and math is the basis for efficient information.

[Anonymous No.2773705]

>>2773689
Enjoying literature is different from thinking its a worthwhile major.

[Anonymous No.2773706]

>>2773689
>I enjoy literature
>therefor I must throw tons of money to study it for 4 years at a university, reading the same books I read now, instead of getting a useful degree that I will actually use.

I also like running and eating, but I am not about to go out and pay someone thousands of dollars to have me memorize some trivia, and then quiz me on it a week later. I'll take my Chemistry degree and have literature as a hobby, thank you.

[Anonymous No.2773708]

>>2773664

>implying ENS, College de France, Heidelberg, FU Berlin, Göttingen, LSE, Polytechnique, Trinity College, Tel Aviv, UBC, Sorbonne don't exist
>implying your shit-tier, carreer-obsessed system would make it in the real world

[Anonymous No.2773715]

>>2773708
>whine about career-based education
>whine when you can't get a job after graduating

See at Occupy Wall Street in a few years, buddy. I'll be watching you picket from the 40th floor of a brokerage.

[Anonymous No.2773717]

>>2773697
>>2773705
>>2773706

Well with A levels in History, English Language and English Lit, my university options are rather limited

[Anonymous No.2773719]

>>2773705

>define "worthwhile major"
>inb4 your plebery becomes to obvious to bear

[Anonymous No.2773723]

>>2773715

>implying i do that

[Anonymous No.2773728]

>>2773715
>See at Occupy Wall Street in a few years, buddy. I'll be watching you picket from the 40th floor in a broke rage.

[Anonymous No.2773736]

>>2773715

>implying capitalism will still exist then

[Anonymous No.2773743]

>>2773719
A worthwhile major first and foremost challenges you academically. I won't say that the assignments in English don't require work but grade inflation is notorious in the humanities compared to STEM studies.

Second, this point has been made many times, a worthwhile major gives you access to resources you wouldn't otherwise understand. Majoring in math is worthwhile because you have access to brilliant professors who can explain some of the most abstract, inaccessible concepts known to man. You can learn Faulkner by reading him but good luck doing Real Analysis on your own unless you happen to be C.F. Gauss.

Lastly a worthwhile major will get you a motherfucking good job. No dispute here am i right?

[Anonymous No.2773749]

>>2773736
>implying capitalism hasn't existed for 200 years and hasn't faced its ups and downs.
>implying he has a crystal ball

[Anonymous No.2773754]

>>2773743

Confirmed for troll. Who the fuck would seriously argue that humanities don't promote critical thinking, skills in analysis or hermeneutics?

[Anonymous No.2773756]

I came on here asking for some essential reading material and now I'm having a personal crisis over a university course I was set on. Jesus fuck, this is supposed to be the literature board. Why is it so undervalued? Has this board gone downhill since it's conception or something? /mu/ is better than this shit

Any other English based university courses that would be more useful, those who were so critical of my hopes and dreams?

[Anonymous No.2773758]

>>2773736
Do you have any understanding of economics or political philosophy aside from what you've read of Marx on wikipedia?

[Anonymous No.2773759]

>>2773749

>implying you have read the newspaper once over the last three years

[Anonymous No.2773764]

>>2773758

Marx never wrote anything about Capitalism failing.

[Anonymous No.2773765]

>>2773717
You are young! Your university options are never limited. Who cares what you were good at in high school. If you actually feel bummed about your options being limited, then unlimit yourself.

[Anonymous No.2773772]

>>2773756

No but it's increasingly ridden with cancerous "science" fags from the US that wouldn't know culture if it fucked them in the ass with its 7'' girth.

[Anonymous No.2773773]

>>2773743
>worthwhile major first and foremost challenges you academically

Then why didn't you major in, I dunno, astrophysics, or quantum mechanical derivations or something? You're just taking a less worthwhile major if you don't do the hardest thing.

The rest of your points fall apart after that. You're not worth debating because you just don't get it.

[Anonymous No.2773774]

>>2773754
Just about all majors promote critical thinking skills. Meanwhile you don't address the bulk of my argument especially Part 3.
And the grade inflation is factual

http://www.thebestcolleges.org/top-10-easiest-and-hardest-college-degree-majors/

[Anonymous No.2773784]

>>2773773
In what respect do my points fall apart? You say I'm a shitty debater yet you refuse to actually debate me? I'm not trolling. If you can give me a good refutation then props to you

[Anonymous No.2773791]

>>2773756
If you like English based courses then i would suggest taking analytical writing courses. Philosophy in particular. People always knock philosophy but employers know philosophy majors are intelligent

[Anonymous No.2773800]

>>2773774

Yeah because part 3 doesn't matter at all. Education is not primarily supposed to train you for a job, its intention is building character, intellect, culture etc. (Humboldt). The idea that all your major does is equip you with the potential to find a high paying job is nothing but a pathetic ideology produced by neoliberalism and conservatists.

[Anonymous No.2773801]

>>2773800

Also grade inflation doesn't really have anything to do with the subject being worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.2773813]

>>2773401

Wow. Kate Bush used to be proper sexy innit?

I heard that she used to get a "brick" of hashish delivered to her house on a monthly basis from her record company. I suppose they can't complain about her low productivity really.

Oh it gets dark, it gets lonely
On the other side from you
I pine alot, I find the lot
Falls through without you
I'm coming back love, cruel Heathcliff
My one dream, my only master

[Anonymous No.2773814]

>>2773784
You say the ideal major is intellectually rigorous. What if you're already well-versed in literature or math or physics and they won't challenge you? Should you just major in underwater basketweaving instead? The answer is no. Point refuted.

Are STEM fields typically more lucrative? Yes. But that's not an argument because LUCRATIVENESS ISN'T IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE. Millions of people couldn't give two flaming shits whether they're making $50,000 or $65,000, especially if the $65,000 job makes them want to kill themselves. Argument inadmissible. Point refuted.

The accessible resources (intelligent professors) is similarly refuted. If a person doesn't give two shits about what's being taught (whether it be math or literature), how is a genius professor incentive for them to enter the major? It's not. Point refuted.

Now get the fuck out.

[Anonymous No.2773815]

>>2773791

But the thing is I don't really have a huge interest in philosophy. I've always loved English Literature and it seems to be the most natural thing to take

[Anonymous No.2773819]

>>2773800
>>2773801
Cites a person rather than develop his own argument further. Typical english.

Grade inflation relates to my first point. Its the only objective way to compare the difficulty of majors.

I have to agree with you that that career-oriented education has its downfalls. I'm a science person and i hate pre-meds for this very reason.

But that doesn't mean that it still shouldn't be a significant factor. If you think career opportunities have a zero weight in education then you are truly as stupid as I thought a generic /lit/fag would be.

[Anonymous No.2773826]

>>2773814
If you're already well versed then kudos to fucking you.

>The accessible resources (intelligent professors) is similarly refuted. If a person doesn't give two shits about what's being taught (whether it be math or literature), how is a genius professor incentive for them to enter the major?

I'm not sure how this relates. My point remains that math is less accessible than literature so, assuming that both are equivalent in terms of intellectual value, one should always choose to associate with the math professor.

>inb4 you need a PhD to analyze literature

[Anonymous No.2773829]

>>2773819

Is it not true that employers will respect the critical thinking and applied knowledge that comes with the achievement of any degree? You can argue that English can't be applied to a real job (though I would disagree), but you can't argue that proper understanding of historical context, political and philosophical methods don't require a good amount of critical thinking that any employer would admire, at least to some degree?

[Anonymous No.2773830]

>>2773819
>Cites a person rather than develop his own argument further. Typical english.

That doesn't even make any sense. I forgot the point about grade inflation.
Who the fuck wants to "compare" majors. University isn't a fucking competition, it's for people to think, explore themselves and delve into a subject they deem interesting or "worthwhile" as you would call it.

Also
>implying i'm english

[Anonymous No.2773835]

>>2773826

>that math is less accessible than literature

it's now painfully obvious that you don't have a fucking clue how vast and deep the field of literary studies is.

[Anonymous No.2773844]

>>2773814
Yes salary isn't important to everyone. Its still somewhat, if only a little, important to everyone.

Furthermore i think you seem to be equating having a high-paying job to having a good job. When you get an English degree you get lumped in by employers with the millions of other people with similar degrees.

The chance that you will be doing something that actually pertains to English is slim. You will most likely be doing paper-pushing file work for some mega corporation.

If you get a STEM major, you are part of an elite, highly in demand crowd. Furthermore your job will actually pertain to the things you studied, not just bullshit administrative, white collar, shit.

[Anonymous No.2773845]

>>2773815

I thought like you once, young padawan - I went to university in Glasgow back in the years of yore, and my student counsellor told me "move away from English Lit, maybe you should try philosophy".

So I studied Philosophy and History of Art (you have to do two subjects in Scotland). And I hated both subjects, and I dropped out and went to work on an oil-rig in the middle of the black and briny North Sea. Which was OK really.

Then I decided "fuck this" and went back to university and studied English Literature - the only subject I wanted to study. I spent 3 years as an undergraduate reading Swinburne and Byron and staying in bed late. I impressed many impressionable young ladies with my erudition and then would spend the next day in bed with them reading Wordsworth and Coleridge whilst they pleasured me.

Studying English Literature was the best thing for me - I got a first, which used to be more uncommon back in the day, and when I applied for jobs, that was what my employer saw ("Oh, I see you got a first").

I have never worked as a barista, nor in McDonalds. I've had some sensational jobs (often people with engineering, law or even one time medical degrees have sat beside me making the same money), and made a lot of money. And chicks still dig quotes from poetry, so it's all worked out in the end.

[Anonymous No.2773850]

>>2773835
I recognize that literature has huge breadth. My point is that understanding any given concept about literature, such as symbolism or theme, can be done without the use of a professor.

[Anonymous No.2773852]

>>2773829

No. People studying business for example are well educated in the matter but mostly lack the critical thinking skills philosophy or humanities students have acquired, because these subjects are far more dependent on memorizing, whereas in philosophy/literature/sociology you focus on writing papers, developing arguments yourself etc.

It's the same with science. You can't expect a biology major to have the same experience in doing group work, managing projects etc. as someone who studied a subject with much more focus on that. Whereas the biology major would obviously have a lot more special knowledge.

[Anonymous No.2773855]

>>2773844
>If you get a STEM major, you are part of an elite, highly in demand crowd.
>elite
>highly in demand
heh, no.

>Furthermore your job will actually pertain to the things you studied
heh

>not just bullshit administrative, white collar, shit.
well at least you're not entitled....

[Anonymous No.2773856]

>>2773830
Not just once, but twice you totally misunderstood me:

Also
>implying i'm english
No i was implying that you were a /lit/fag.

In case you haven't noticed, this thread has become an argument of STEM vs. English, so it seems pretty apt to compare the two

[Anonymous No.2773859]

>>2773845

Either this is the most wild tale I've ever heard or you're the best fucking English major in existence. Either way, you've convinced me to go ahead with the course. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.2773860]

>>2773855
Well at least you can articulate yourself beyond "heh"

[Anonymous No.2773866]

>>2773754
The tens of thousands of humanities graduates each year who partied their way through college on their parent's dime, and still managed to get 3.0+ gpas.

[Anonymous No.2773868]

>>2773856

>STEM vs. English

Nobody in here tries to argue that English or humanities degrees are "better" than "STEM". Because it's fucking childish and makes no sense at all. All they are trying to argue is that an English degree has the same right to exist and to be taken seriously as hard science - which you, apparently, can't even begin to comprehend.

You are the only pathetic loser in here trying to argue that his major is "better" than that of the other kids. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2773869]

>>2773773
>Quantum mechanical derivations
>Implying I'm not going to be attending graduate school in Physical Chemistry

Try again.

[Anonymous No.2773871]

>>2773866

>partied their way through college

>implying I implied that everybody, even the dumbass partying folk, will learn critical thinking by majoring in english

[Anonymous No.2773873]

>>2773869

>implying that is some sort of achievement

[Anonymous No.2773876]

>>2773859

I'll tell you another advantage as well - I no longer live in an English Speaking Country, so everyone I work with defers to me, or asks advice "oh, anon has an actual DEGREE in English, go ask him how you should write that".

As a result, there are many people in a major international organisation who believe that "sweating like a rapist" and "cuntybollocks" are not swearwords, but merely part of regular discourse.

One time I used the word "remediation", realised it wasn't an actual word, then pressed it so hard, using it through entire meetings, that no-one dared to gainsay me. I now regret it, because I hate the word.

English is a fantastic degree, and at the risk of overstating my point, you will meet many womens. If possible, take a course in feminist theory - I did, and I was the only man in the room. Up to my fucking oxters in blart for a whole semester. Loverly.

[Anonymous No.2773880]

>>2773868
Hahaha once again i am misunderstood by a fag reading too much in between the lines, making assumptions left and right.
>better
Nowhere did i say "better"
>All they are trying to argue is that an English degree has the same right to exist and to be taken seriously as hard science
That's exactly what i'm arguing against. Thank you for validating my place in this discussion!

[Anonymous No.2773883]

>>2773876

>remediation
>not an actual word

[Anonymous No.2773885]

>>2773829
>I am an employer
>I have a stack of applications on my desk
>There are 25 Psych majors, 15 English majors, 10 History majors, and 1 math major

Guess who I think the one of the most critical thinking and reasoning skills is? Search your heart, you also know it.

[Anonymous No.2773892]

>>2773885
>implying bullshit

[Anonymous No.2773896]

>>2773880

Your ignorance is astonishing. Did you even read the guy's post.

>Nowhere did i say "better"
>that an English degree has the same right to exist and to be taken seriously as hard science
>That's exactly what i'm arguing against.


>One thing has a right to exist.
>The other doesn't.
>"I'm not arguing that one thing is better"

404, logic not found.

[Anonymous No.2773897]

>>2773876
I won't deny the importance of understanding English in your situation.

First of all i think its reasonable to assume OP wanted to stay in an English speaking country.

Second, I find myself in a similar situation. I'm an intern at a German based engineering firm. Many people there have difficulty with English and i am a valuable resource to them. Here's the kicker: I didn't have to study James Joyce for 4 years in order to be able to explain English idioms to them

[Anonymous No.2773898]

>>2773855
Refutation after long debate is: Heh, heh, entitled.

As an independent, outside observer, I have to say that the STEM student just smashed your fucking face in.

[Anonymous No.2773900]

>>2773883

In the context of "remediation of first stage learnings"?

Well, stap my vitals, maybe it is a real word - it's a shit one though, and I take responsibility for its egregious misuse in the environment I inhabit.

My point still stands.

[Anonymous No.2773902]

>>2773876

>Up to my fucking oxters in blart

My sides

[Anonymous No.2773904]

>>2773898

No, he didn't. All he did is demonstrate how Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that culture and arts hold no value and that "hard science" = money, i.e. in American speak = holy.

[Anonymous No.2773909]

>>2773896
Better question. Did you even read the post he was responding to?

He implied i stated that STEM was better, which i didn't.

He said the purpose of the argument was to establish English as equally legitimate as Math. I stated that this was the notion I was arguing against.

What about that was so difficult to understand?

[Anonymous No.2773914]

>>2773897

>First of all i think its reasonable to assume OP wanted to stay in an English speaking country.

No, you misunderstand, living in a non-English speaking country is just the gravy (and I think you do the guy a dis-service by >implying that he doesn't want to travel).

I ended up with a fantastic job, far from home (on multiple occasions) largely because I studied English Lit. at university. It opened up my world, just the same way as it does for some science graduates. In my last job, as alluded to before, we had a medical graduate working with us (he ended his studies after university, never interned, never became a doctor) - your degree does not matter once you leave university, unless you want to be a radiologist or a geological spectrum-wankificer, or a lawyer or something.

So unless you have a vocation, study what you want, and see what happens afterwards.

[Anonymous No.2773916]

>>2773904
you still ignore the other parts to my argument.

At least I've gotten you to make a legitimate concession. All you guys have done is shown me that you don't have to major in English to argue well
STEM: 1
ENGLISH: none

[Anonymous No.2773917]

>>2773909

[Anonymous No.2773918]

>>2773904
>Americans have been brainwashed into thinking that culture and arts hold no value

Where did he say that? He wouldn't be on /lit/ if he believed that.


It is just that paying huge fucking money to go and study literature, which you can really pick up on your own, in your own time, is a waste. You can read and analyze Joyce on your own, and if you need help, there are a wealth of resources to assist you. You can link me a paper on Joyce, and without any formal university-level English education, I can understand it.

Now could I hand you are a paper on enumeration methods in abstract algebra, and you pick it up and understand?


So if you are going to pay someone to help you learn something, it is best to pay for the STEM teachers, and learn English on the side.
And to top it off, it is objectively true that you are likely to land a job quicker, and for more money with a STEM degree than with a humanities degree.

[Anonymous No.2773920]

>>2773918

>implying you couldn't get textbooks on math problems and learn about it without going to university

[Anonymous No.2773923]

>>2773914
Obscure world travel cases aside, are you seriously suggesting that what you major in matters none whatsover.

As in an engineering graduate won't go be an engineer? A science graduate won't go to law school? A math graduate won't go write trade algorithms on Wall Street?

[Anonymous No.2773924]

>>2773918
>objectively true
>likely

[Anonymous No.2773926]

>>2773916
I bet you're the kind who thinks science supersedes philosophy too

>>2773918
there are plenty of fun jobs best-suited for humanities graduates

[Anonymous No.2773928]

>>2773920
Obviously you've never tried to self-study from math textbooks. Its hard as shit. Coming from someone who has studied math, having a teacher to break rigorously defined theorems down into simple concepts is immensely helpful

[Anonymous No.2773929]

Just my two cents,


If I see at a coffee shop reading "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", I see another jobless hipster, with a huge college debt, and nothing to show for it.

If I see an Engineer PhD with his feet up on his desk reading "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", I see a God amongst men.

[Anonymous No.2773930]

ITT: Americans demonstrating their ability to think

[Anonymous No.2773931]

>>2773743
>a worthwhile major gives you access to resources you wouldn't otherwise understand. Majoring in math is worthwhile because you have access to brilliant professors who can explain some of the most abstract, inaccessible concepts known to man.

My literature teacher in the uni was probably one of the most intelligent humans I have ever met and taught me how to deepen into a literary work and its meaning in a level I had never imagined before.

[Anonymous No.2773932]

>>2773920
I did not imply that.

I just said that it is harder. Much harder.

[Anonymous No.2773936]

>>2773924
>Statistics can't be objective

And this is why should have taken a few more math classes. You wouldn't look so silly right now.

[Anonymous No.2773933]

>>2773923
>A science graduate won't go to law school?
That's not the norm.

[Anonymous No.2773937]

>>2773920

Seriously just go read a wikipedia article about something in low-level math. You will not be able to follow it.

[Anonymous No.2773938]

>>2773926
>strawmen

Where is that critical thinking and reasoning you guys were going on about?

[Anonymous No.2773939]

>>2773933
Good call. I meant grad school

[Anonymous No.2773940]

>>2773937
>You will not be able to follow it.

Someone doesn't know about post-modernism.

[Anonymous No.2773942]

>>2773928

Yeah, so fucking what. Do you think someone like Derrida could have come to his conclusions if he had not gone to University and studied the subject for decades, but only read some books on the side and analyze them himself (as you genius do it) without any training?! No. Yet you imply studying the subject is not worthwhile because it is shallow, but Maths is oh so deep.

What the fuck do you think the work humanity departments do is about? Do you seriously think it's a motherfucking game every math student could do on the side?

Fucking hell you're pathetic.

[Anonymous No.2773944]

>>2773923
>>2773923

>As in an engineering graduate won't go be an engineer? A science graduate won't go to law school? A math graduate won't go write trade algorithms on Wall Street?

Actually, yes.

Example: I used to work in the City of London as an underwriter, as I think I've mentioned. Alongside me (Eng. Lit. Graduate) were graduates in Law, Media and Mechanical Engineering.

I've known two accountants who graduated in Chemical Engineering.

Several solicitors and barristers who graduated in various subjects other than law.

One Vet who started out as a Business Studies student, then did a veterinary degree after graduation (you'd think a vet with a business degree would be rolling in cash, but she's always rummaging around in a cow's posterior in Strathclyde).

Basically, a lot of people change their mind or change their career when they hit their mid-twenties. You may be the dog's bollocks at maths at school, but then university opens your eyes and you think "fuck this, I'm away to pottery school".

Maybe it's the way you can do post-graduate equivalency courses to change your path in the UK, especially if you want to be an accountant (French Degree? No problem if you've got an 'A' level in Maths, you can train as an accoutant")

Maybe you just don't know anything about the world, that's also a possibility.

[Anonymous No.2773946]

>>2773942
>Do you think someone like...

No. Stay on subject. Argue against arguments we make, instead of making up your own to argue against.

>. Yet you imply studying the subject is not worthwhile because it is shallow

*Yawn*

Nope. No one said that. Pay attention.


>What the fuck do you think the work humanity departments do is about?

They teach humanities and write and publish papers. And your point is?


>Do you seriously think it's a motherfucking game every math student could do on the side?

No.
How about your quit making up strawmen and assumptions and >implying, and actually respond to what we say.

[Anonymous No.2773952]

>>2773931
I'm not saying lit professors aren't among the some of the premier intellects in the world.

But between listening to him talk, and just reading a bunch, which would be better for your education? Sure maybe he pointed some things out to you before you wouldn't have otherwise seen. Maybe an important motif over here and a Christ allusion over there.

But do you seriously think that places him as an educator anywhere near a Math professor who can show you how to look for certain forms when evaluating integrals, can break the Mean Value Theorem down into layman's terms, and can demonstrate how just how logical Leibniz notation is and how many advanced rules such as the Chain rule and implicit differentiation can be seen as simple extensions of this convenient notation? I think not

[Anonymous No.2773954]

>That feeling when everyone in this thread is just rationalizing decisions they made as teenagers.

[Anonymous No.2773956]

>>2773940

Someone just implied that I couldn't go read a wiki article about post modernism and get the gist and then go read a book and follow the plot. Simultaneously someone just implied he could understand a wiki article about differential manifolds

[Anonymous No.2773959]

You're not even capable of communication, STEM fag.
Everytime someone addresses one of your points, you say that he misunderstood you or makes up strawmen. Seriously? Just leave this thread already. You're fucking pathetic and I pity each and everyone of these anons that have tried to respond to you.

Go kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.2773966]

>>2773959
>post still doesn't address arguments

So, you aren't even going to try? What a let-down.

[Anonymous No.2773967]

>>2773956
>follow the plot
>plot
>philosophy

how do you look at yourself in the morning?

[Anonymous No.2773962]

>>2773956

>that I couldn't go read a wiki article about post modernism and get the gist

BAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.2773963]

>>2773959
Hahaha i haven't said a word about strawmen. There's more than one STEM guy in this thread

[Anonymous No.2773969]

>>2773962
Excellent point. Clear introduction, body, and conclusion. Good to see you're spending your money well

[Anonymous No.2773972]

>>2773969
How does it feel being a materialistic loser?

[Anonymous No.2773977]

Its good to see all these /lit/ fags totally rejecting the scientific origins of their beloved post modernist movement. Go look up Wave-particle collapse or Uncertainty principle

[Anonymous No.2773979]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_algebra

vs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_modernism


I can tell which I found harder.

[Anonymous No.2773980]

>>2773972
Excellent point. Clear introduction, body, and conclusion. Good to see you're spending your money well

[Anonymous No.2773982]

>>2773954

I may be a pervert, but I would totally hit that, even if she's underage.

Just so long as she got rid of that fucking girl who seems to be cuddling her.

[Anonymous No.2773984]

>>2773979

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction

[Anonymous No.2773985]

>>2773952

>But do you seriously think that places him as an educator anywhere near a Math professor who can show you how to look for certain forms when evaluating integrals, can break the Mean Value Theorem down into layman's terms, and can demonstrate how just how logical Leibniz notation is and how many advanced rules such as the Chain rule and implicit differentiation can be seen as simple extensions of this convenient notation?

Yes

Holy shit, go on and read the whole Kant works. Come then and tell me that you understood half of that shit. Read Marx or Keynes or Smith. Then tell me that you understand shit about economics. Read Chomsky without any external explanation and tell me that you got the whole point of his linguistics.

[Anonymous No.2773986]

>>2773967
I suggest you look at the first linked word on the post modernist wiki page.
Oh fuck it i'll just tell you. Its "literature".
Correct me if i'm wrong but, plot is still an important element of literature, right?

[Anonymous No.2773993]

>>2773982
That's Audrey Hepburn, silly. And her pet human.

>>2773986
You just might have a narrow definition of literature.

[Anonymous No.2773994]

>>2773985
Thanks for the suggestion. I have in fact read Marx and Keynes. Yes i understood them. Furthermore if i didn't i could look up the wiki article something that doesn't help with math.

Might i refer you to:
>>2773979

[Anonymous No.2774000]

>>2773993
No actually a very broad definition. Just eat your words like a man. The post i responded to implied that post-modernism was exclusively philosophical which it clearly is not.

[Anonymous No.2774005]

>>2773985
>Read Chomsky without any external explanation

But that was never the argument.

I don't have to be able to digest Chomsky by myself. I can easily read the papers others have published dissecting him, and understand them.

However, it much harder to digest higher maths. Even with text books and helpful tutorials it is hard.


I'm not saying an English teacher doesn't help you with English. I'm saying that it is easier to teach yourself English than it is to teach yourself math.

[Anonymous No.2774006]

>>2773993

>That's Audrey Hepburn, silly. And her pet human.


Ach, what a fool I am, of course it is.

I should have known it because she's so gamine.

[Anonymous No.2774009]

>>2773986
Essays are literature. Essays generally do not have a plot. Novels, plays, and films have plots.

>>2773994
You ignored >>2773984

[Anonymous No.2774013]

>>2774000
What words? I posted that post and the picture of the fawn and the faun.

You seemed to be suggesting that plot is important to literature. Some literature, okay. But narrative literature is a subset.

>eat your words like a man
lyl

[Anonymous No.2774016]

>>2774000
>Derrida

&
>implying you know more about post-modernism

[Anonymous No.2774024]

>>2774009
Good point. Essays do not have plots. Post modernism however is not limited to essays so you're point is fallacy.

As for deconstruction: looks interesting and I'll read it later. Regardless, one analytic method does not outweigh all of mathematics. I'm assuming that's one of the more abstract bits of humanities you've studied. If i were to post the most abstract bit of math that i've studied, you would have to go to school for 4 years before you could start to read it.

[Anonymous No.2774031]

>>2774024
See >>2774016

[Anonymous No.2774032]

>>2774013
Plot is still essential to the development of theme and every other concept in analyzing literature

[Anonymous No.2774034]

ITT: No-one knows anything about anything, but argues about it anyway.

None of you are mathematicians, or literary critics, or engineers, so shut the fuck up with the convoluted "what I want to be when I grow up" argument, eh?

Bloody noisy kids. Summer. Bah.

[Anonymous No.2774036]

>>2774031
See: the rest of my post

[Anonymous No.2774041]

http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/fr/derrida.htm

[Anonymous No.2774042]

>>2774034
Senior major in mathematics.
For the purpose of this discussion i would consider myself an authority in the area

[Anonymous No.2774045]

>>2774036
>As for deconstruction: looks interesting and I'll read it later.
>I GIVE UP ;__ ;

>Regardless, one analytic method does not outweigh all of mathematics.
>(implying there's only one)
How come?

[Anonymous No.2774058]

>>2774042

For the purpose of listening to you and believing you may have a valid input on this subject, I'd prefer to continue thinking about you as an undergraduate.

Come back and talk to me a year after you graduate, let me know what you're doing then.

[Anonymous No.2774059]

>>2774045
I'll read it later because i prefer arguing right now.

How come? Because given thirty minutes i could come away with a good understanding of that article. Seriously, all partisanship aside, do you really think that Deconstruction is more difficult to understand then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Rham_cohomology

[Anonymous No.2774064]

>>2773931
>one of the most intelligent humans

That's because you took all literature courses and no engineering classes

[Anonymous No.2774065]

>>2774058
Why wait a year?

[Anonymous No.2774069]

>>2774059
>How come? Because given thirty minutes i could come away with a good understanding of that article.
In all seriousness, how can you say this before reading it?

[Anonymous No.2774073]

>>2774064
Low blow right there. Even i (STEM) will acknowledge the intelligence behind good reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.2774077]

>>2774069
I guess you're right. I can't say that. But still, answer my comparison question.

[Anonymous No.2774079]

>mfw inaccessibility contest
This isn't a thing to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.2774082]

>>2774079
Look at the fucking OP, bro. Read the replies. It began as an argument over the feasibility of an English degree. Somewhere along the line someone made the point that its better to invest in math professors than english professors because Math is less accessible.

Q.E.D

[Anonymous No.2774085]

>>2774058
But I have actually graduated with a Chemistry degree.

I worked two years in the paint resin industry, and an entry-level chemist. Even there though, I had a comfortable job which allowed me to think everyday, $55k/year, and 4 wks paid vacation.

I am now about to return to graduate studies simply because I am intellectually curious, and have the means to do so.

[Anonymous No.2774089]

>>2774077
Don't have the time now, right? :)

[Anonymous No.2774094]

>>2773984
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_Fourier_transform

[Anonymous No.2774100]

>>2774089
Jesus if its such an issue I'll go read it right now. I never would have thought that the entire argument for English as legitimate would've rested on a single wiki article. I suggest you go read one of the math articles posted. I bet i'll beat you back here

[Anonymous No.2774105]

>>2774085
This thread is now a Chem vs. Math thread.

[Anonymous No.2774106]

>>2774085

>I worked two years in the paint resin industry

Sounds gripping. No really - I'm sure you have a sense of fulfilment.

>I am now about to return to graduate studies simply because I am intellectually curious,

I agree, good idea - it's nothing to do with the living hell you consigned yourself to. Carry on throwing yourself into the chasm, maybe the landing will become softer.


I honestly think I would kill myself if I had to work in "paint resins" or whatever. And $55k? That's like €40k. In my country, waiters earn that (with tips).

If I'd left university and started on that salary, I'd have been disappointed. I know the USA has a lower standard of living, but that's fucking shocking. A CHEMIST, earning so little? People here wouldn't stand for it.

[Anonymous No.2774109]

You're all faggots.

I would not want to live in a society of comprised exclusively of scientists nor one of artists. Quit having your dick-measuring contests and realize what is right for one is not right for the other.

[Anonymous No.2774110]

>>2774094
>Fourier transform
>hard

You couldn't find a better example than that. Fucking undergraduate Chemist's learn that shit. As far as math goes, that is still baby's apple sauce formula.

If you can even understand the first introductory sentence in this article, I'll admit you a better man than I:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_isoperimetric_inequality

[Anonymous No.2774115]

>>2774106
>You can't judge the article until you've read it!!!!!
>Your job sounds boring

0/10

[Anonymous No.2774122]

>>2774110
I lost.

Chem is babby physics. Physics is babby math. Math is babby God.

[Anonymous No.2774127]

>>2774115

>You can't judge the article until you've read it!!!!!

What article? What are you talking about now? Are you confused from all the paint fumes at work?

Your job sounds boring though - so boring that you're leaving it to go back to grad school or to train to be a lawyer or something.

[Anonymous No.2774132]

>>2774106

>$55k is shit

You now realize that the average starting income for English majors is about $20k lower than that.

[Anonymous No.2774136]

>>2774127
>synthesizes paint resins
>thinks paint fumes are a hazard

Oh, boy. You are just flaunting your ignorance now.

It is like you telling me about reading Shakespeare, and me telling you to enjoy your Post-modernist Spanish Novel.

[Anonymous No.2774142]

>>2774122
>math is babby theology
FTFY

"He is like a dog which should imagine it understood fire-arms because its hunting instinct and love for its master enable it to enjoy a day's shooting!"

[Anonymous No.2774144]

>>2774110
I wasn't trying to say it was the hardest of all STEM related things, but if you have had no upper-level math it appears confusing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramers%E2%80%93Kronig_relations

[Anonymous No.2774147]

>>2774136
Read the discussion. Don't be like Steve Buscemi's character from Big Lebowski

[Anonymous No.2774148]

>mfw looking at this thread
>mfw very insecure about choosing a major and a career
>mfw I could do honestly do anything, including music

[Anonymous No.2774149]

>>2774127
>implies grad school, STEM and humanities alike, doesn't present some of the most fulfilling and stimulating challenges known to man.

/lit/, we have a common foe here

[Anonymous No.2774151]

>>2774147
>read the discussion

What does the discussion have to do with that idiot thinking that paint fumes are a hazard with paint resins?

[Anonymous No.2774156]

Fuck off, utilitarifags. There is no point in forcing everyone to become STEM majors.

[Anonymous No.2774157]

>>2774156
Other than having a more knowledgeable, skillful, progressive society I would have to agree

[Anonymous No.2774161]

>>2774147
Whoops. ^this was directed at this:
>>2774127

[Anonymous No.2774173]

>>2774157
We'll have that kind of society when we better match students to disciplines (which means a blend of the humanities and STEM). Again, forcing everyone in one direction is counterproductive.

[Anonymous No.2774180]

>>2774173
Listen up, you angsty teen with father issues, we aren't forcing anyone to do anything.
We are just saying that literature makes a great hobby, and can be learned to a good degree on your own. Don't spend huge sums of money for a reading list and to have someone read wikipedia to you. Instead, get a degree which will land a stable job, and you can have a comfortable life using your knowledge, and reading books all you want.

[Anonymous No.2774190]

>>2774173
Valid. But construing STEM's argument thus far as being that everyone should take math rather than that math is superior was your first mistake.

[Anonymous No.2774191]

>>2774151

>implying that I give a fuck about some putative difference between paint fumes and paint resins.

If I ever have to work in a factory, in any capacity, then I will have failed in my life.

And $55k a year still sounds like a shitty salary for a graduate. You guys should move to Europe - we value education

if only you had any lol

[Anonymous No.2774196]

>>2774147
That's a rather odd reference, friendo.

[Anonymous No.2774204]

>>2774191
Fallacy detected.

Like all english fags, you lack an understanding of the scientific method.
1. You are insulting him for making 55k.
2. This is a bad thing because in Europe that's waiters salary.
3. You imply he doesn't live in Europe.

So if you want to insult his salary and his choice of Chem you should compare his salary to waiter's salaries in the US which are far less than 55k. The median in the US is around 43k so 55k as a starting salary is very good.

Currently you're argument fits far better in an America vs Europe discussion, not STEM vs Lit

[Anonymous No.2774214]

>>2774204
You're right but that has nothing to do with the scientific method.

[Anonymous No.2774216]

>>2774180
I don't think that it's right to assume that those things can't be attained by someone with a degree in the humanities.

Obviously, if your thing is STEM, by all means, go for that. But there are a lot of people whose interests and abilities are aligned with literature, philosophy, languages, history, and the rest. It wouldn't serve those people (or society) to herd those people into biology and physics classes.

What we really need less of is apathy.

[Anonymous No.2774222]

>this entire thread

h-huh...what? You read the books that they assign you to read for the class, unless you're going to an Ivy League school or something, in which you should be very familiar with the Bible.

[Anonymous No.2774224]

>>2774214
It has everything to do with isolating a variable.

[Anonymous No.2774229]

>>2774222

[Anonymous No.2774252]

>>2774204

That's all wrong on a lot of levels, but I'm pretty sure the cunt doesn't work in Europe, because we don't have $ in europe.

If a chemist was so valuable, and skilled, then if they're any good they could easily move to Europe and pick up €100k+ working for one of the oil companies (I know lots of yanks who've done this, and prospered).

The whole point of acquiring an education is to remove some of the limits placed upon you by birth, and in an international marketplace then it would be idiotic not to compare a European waiter and a US chemist - if you can make more waiting tables in Paris, and money is your motivation, then you'd be an idiot to stick around huffing paint in Buttfuck, Arkansas.

tl;dr - your argument makes no fucking sense.

[Anonymous No.2774258]

>>2774190
Yeah, I admit that I didn't read the whole thread. (I actually only entered because I wanted to call someone a "utilitarifag.")

I hate to just spout about my personal experience, but I will: I'm an English major, but at one time or another, I was almost a statistics, economics, or business major. College forced me to weigh two major options: Major in what I'm most interested in (Lit.) and do every project, job, and internship that I can to make Lit. practical, or major in something practical, and do everything I can on the side to suck up culture (reading books, doing creative projects, taking extra classes, etc.). I ended up taking the first option because I decided that my strongest skill (writing) would become strong enough through four years of writing-intensive Lit. classes to be a practical, marketable asset. It was a tough decision, because I'm interested in science and math almost as much as I am in English. But I think I made the right choice; things are going really well so far (of course, we'll see if I get a good job).

The moral, that I see, of the story, is that you just need to work hard and take whatever you're doing seriously. Far too many people don't do those things, and it's them, not English majors in general, that are the problem.

[Anonymous No.2774266]

if you can read more than one book (that is, a real BOOK, not some shitty novel) every semester, i consider you a real god.

[Anonymous No.2774268]

>>2774258
I just want to add to my post that going to a university that is good and *affordable* is also pretty wise. If my tuition was $55k, rather than the $13k that it is, I would probably not be majoring in English.

[Anonymous No.2774274]

>>2773594

Although this guy sounds harsh, he's right. But there are other things outside of the Sciences. Just specialize in something or else you'll be in debt and stuck with a shit career. Find something you're good at and interesting that isn't a waste of time.

I'm shit at math and science but I'm taking international affairs with a concentration on conflict resolution and learning Russian. It's not a science but it's a good field that will constantly be in demand.

[Anonymous No.2774280]

>>2774191
>implying I work in a factory
>implying that the average humanities graduate's beginning salary isn't much lower than that

You can just admit you don't know what you are talking about. I won't hold it against you.

[Anonymous No.2774308]

>>2774252
Too many generalities here to get to in one concise post. You're not sticking to the point. The original attack was that he was making bad wages and in europe waiters make equal wages, thus devaluing chemistry as a degree.

But if you really wanna assess the salary value of a Chem degree then you should compare it to situations as similar as possible. There are too many differences between Europe and the US to compare salaries of Chem majors.

In science, you have manipulated and control variables

Control: location of job
Manipulate: type of job.

If nothing else I hope you walk away from this with the understanding that a Chem major would have an easier time moving to Europe than a Waiter

[Anonymous No.2774309]

>>2774280

>implying I work in a factory

So where do they make this magic paint? In a fucking meadow?

>implying that the average humanities graduate's beginning salary isn't much lower than that

My first job after leaving university paid €48k, which at that time was close to $70k, although the exchange rate has changed since. And that was for a 32-35 hour week.

If anyone expected me to go to a fucking paint factory for €28k or whatever the equivalent of $55k was then, the I would have gone straight to the unemployment office and claimed benefit, because there is no fucking way I would work for so little after having finished university.

[Anonymous No.2774312]

>>2774308

>a Chem major would have an easier time moving to Europe than a Waiter

So why are there so many foreign waiters wherever you go in the world?

It seems to me that waiting tables is one of the most transferable of jobs, far more so than a Chemist.

I think you're talking shit, and you didn't think that post through.

[Anonymous No.2774317]

>>2774309
engineers, chemists, mathematicians design things that are produced in factories. Sometimes they work in offices that buildings have in them. These same buildings also have factories. We call them "factories" for short

[Anonymous No.2774319]

>>2774312
Gave himself away on this post.

[Anonymous No.2774324]

>>2774309
>gone straight to the unemployment office and claimed benefit
Get those benefits while you can Europoor

[Anonymous No.2774325]

>>2774319

What, so now you think I'm a waiter?

I suggest you put your "education" to work and backtrack through the thread.

I'm not a waiter.

[Anonymous No.2774333]

>>2774325
Yes i think you're a shit-tier career waiter and should leave this thread. Do you even have an education? I'm surprised you learned how to write; you must have been an English major

[Anonymous No.2774348]

>>2774333

>I'm surprised you learned how to write; you must have been an English major

I'm going to be charitable and assume that you knew that made NO FUCKING SENSE. And then I'm going to ignore you because you're a cunt.

[Anonymous No.2774367]

>>2774348
>>2774348
>charitable

Waiters can't be charitable. They're fucking greedy leeches that's what. Government benefits and undocumented salary. I'd tip you just to degrade you for being so useless that $2 is what you need to survive

[Anonymous No.2774370]

>>2774367

>Government benefits and undocumented salary.

Except in Europe, all waiters earn a minimum wage, then are forced to pay tax on their tips.

You should get out more, bro, expand the old horizons a wee bit.

I'm still not a waiter though, sorry.

[Anonymous No.2774375]

>>2774370
>sorry

Waiters are never sorry. You aren't fully human and can't express sorry

[Anonymous No.2774380]

>>2774375
>>2774375

I love the way that americans who've never eaten in a restaurant above the standard of a Chili's or an Applebees think they actually understand the business.

I honestly do, I think it's just so sweet that I d'awwww.

If you were a waiter, I'd tip you 15%, because I just want to snuggle-uggle-wuggle you all up.

[Anonymous No.2774403]

>>2774380
>d'awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[Anonymous No.2774405]

>>2774370
I'm not going to pay you 10 dollars just to take my order and then bring the food to me, faggot.

[Anonymous No.2774412]

>>2774405

How about you give me $45 and I'll bring you your dinner, then suck your cock while you eat it?

[Anonymous No.2774423]

>>2773377
The entire western canon.
And around 30 books.

[Anonymous No.2774424]

>>2774412
Sold.

[Anonymous No.2774429]

>>2774424

That's the kind of tip I like.

for $100 dollars, you can give me more than the tip - you can ram the whole fucking thing into me. Open me up like a can of tuna.

[Anonymous No.2774435]

>>2774429
ｷﾀ━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━!!!

[Anonymous No.2774456]

What happened to the guy who went off to read about deconstruction and never came back lol?

Honestly I don't see why the fuck it matters which subject is harder to understand, as if 'harder to understand = better subject' or even more useful subject.

It shouldn't even be a debate, why would I study math if I want to be an economic consultant? Why would I study engineering if I wanted to be a writer? It isn't like one is inherently better than the other, different things are good for different people. If money and a career is what you are going for, then go for something that will make money, if money isn't that important to you, do whatever you would be happy doing.

It is such a stupid argument.

[Anonymous No.2774731]

>>2774456

Yep he said OH deconstruction is so easy I can understand it in 30 minutes. The he realized what a fuckhead he was and decided not to post again.

[Anonymous No.2774839]

what if dual major
>philosophy and chemical engineering
deal w/ it

[Benny Profane !!muO1YE/mn/J No.2774852]

I can't answer your first question, being a failure at life.

I read anywhere from 10-20 books a month when I'm reading regularly, but I go through phases.

[CLEMENCEAU ! !SiGGXb2q1Y No.2774859]

ENGLISH LIT WITH FRENCH AND ITALIAN MASTERRACE REPORTING IN

[Anonymous No.2775083]

>>2774859

faggot

[Anonymous No.2775093]

>>2774859
>SUBWAY SUB ARTIST REPORTING IN

FTFY

[Anonymous No.2775100]

>>2775083
>cool dude

ftfy

[CLEMENCEAU ! !SiGGXb2q1Y No.2775122]

>>2775093
>>2775083

Haha you all mad because I have three times the job opportunities than you. I can work in three countries. PLUS MANY EMPLOYERS LIKE PPL WITH LANGUAGES. fuck. your shit. yolo

[Anonymous No.2775564]

>>2775122

cunt

[Anonymous No.2775713]

look guys, undergrad is not the end all. i think you would be surprised how many rich, successful people majored in english or some other liberal arts degree, then went to law school or med school or business school and are now extraordinarily wealthy. in fact, for applying to really competitive grad schools in things like medicine, its often best to choose an easy undergrad degree so that you can get the highest gpa possible. thus the guy majoring in english has a better chance with his 3.8 than the guy dual majoring in chemistry and molecular biology with a 3.0.
not saying that you have to go into medicine, just giving an example of how college doesn't necessarily end when you graduate with a bachelors. and many science related bachelors are about as useless as an english one. good luck with -just- a bachelors degree in pretty much anything except engineering, which is designed to be a professional degree to get you into the workforce.
i think you guys don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
and if you're optimistic, look at the salaries of an english professor. protip--they make exactly as much as any other professor. sure academia is hard to break into right now, but in ten years when you're completing your phd, who the fuck knows.

[Anonymous No.2776043]

bump for more rage

[Anonymous No.2776597]

>>2775713
>i think you would be surprised how many rich, successful people majored in english or some other liberal arts degree, then went to law school or med school or business school and are now extraordinarily wealthy

Very few. Read up on the statistics, bro.


There are homeless niggers who have become stock brokers also. However, 99.9999% of homeless niggers will not become stock brokers. Far more English majors end up being Waiters than company CEOs.