/lit/ - Literature

[MrThrills !GHap51.yps No.2769898]

It's the 1st, and that means July's issue of The April Reader is here.

You can grab Issue 16 here: http://theaprilreader.org/TAR.Issue.16.pdf

"Summer Issue" describes this one perfectly.

What is TAR? The April Reader is a monthly publication of poetry, prose, and other user-submitted content. The April Reader aims to become a hub of online writing and content, and hopes to serve as a launching point for the future writers of this generation.

Our website is www.theaprilreader.org. Interested authors can email us at [e-mail]. We humbly thank anyone interested in TAR.

[Keaton Shake !!yGmvH6kpa3n No.2769913]

Huh. I thought you guys fell off the map for a while.

[Anonymous No.2769922]

>dat cover

[Anonymous No.2769924]

>>2769898
Please stop spamming your shitty magazine here.

Reported

[Anonymous No.2769926]

>first story
>None of them was hiring.

[Anonymous No.2769929]

>"Summer Issue" describes this one perfectly.

[Anonymous No.2769939]

>>2769924

[Anonymous No.2769940]

My poem got in. Booyakasha.

[MrThrills !GHap51.yps No.2769942]

>>2769913
Nope, TAR's still around. We release at the first of every month, and we take in submissions for consideration all the time.

[Anonymous No.2769944]

>>2769898

Yay :-D

When is that best-of compilation coming out btw?

[Anonymous No.2769949]

How many submissions did TAR reject last month?

[Anonymous No.2769952]

You know for short stories, they're pretty unshort.

[Anonymous No.2769963]

i like the stories. unfortunate mine got rejected.

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2769964]

>>2769949
Around 50 percent?

[Anonymous No.2769966]

>>2769952

>they're pretty unshort.
>longest story by far is 11 pages
>DYER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

[Anonymous No.2769971]

you undermine my poetic talents, TAR

[Anonymous No.2769981]

I don't like Rooftop or Creationist, but I enjoyed the rest of the poetry a good deal.

[Anonymous No.2769986]

>>2769971
If TAR influences your poetic anything in any way, it's time to find a new hobby.

[Anonymous No.2769987]

First story was good, enjoyed it.

>>2769924
Fuck off you moron, TAR is a part of /lit/.

[Anonymous No.2769995]

>>2769986

I never said they influence me. Wot u on about m8.

[Anonymous No.2770030]

Hm... I don't know about TAR but I like that it gives us all something to discuss about every month, and more so that the content comes from authors on this board.

[MrThrills !GHap51.yps No.2770034]

>>2769987
Yeah, Sin Vacuum is a very good story.

Actually if the authors of Sin Vaccum and Shut-Up Sauce are here - your stories really matched my taste as a reader.

I'm not saying we're soul-mates or anything, but thanks for giving me the pleasure of a fun read.

[Anonymous No.2770042]

>Not only that fewer men may know
Structurally and syntactically reminds me of e.e. cummings - this poem's structure:

l(a

le
af
fa

ll

s)
one
l

iness

Something is fun about the confounding syntax of the beginning and end part. I get the poem as some kind of inverted Adam and Eve image - the man is created from the woman, (the "body" is the same thing and the "her") and emerges from her mouth. The "thousand diamond teeth" seem to imply something beautiful yet with an element of danger/potential for harm. I would say the poem is kind of a musing on love then - also cummingsian (if that's a real word).

I think this is the poem I enjoyed most.

[Anonymous No.2770045]

First story is Tao Lin core.

[Anonymous No.2770051]

>>2770042

>I think this is the poem I enjoyed most.

Agreed.

[Anonymous No.2770053]

That cover is a big "fuck you" to the color blind.

I like it.

[Anonymous No.2770059]

>>2770053
It's a cruel world.

[Anonymous No.2770067]

[Anonymous No.2770069]

>>2770067

oh hey, it's our resident Emperor Norton

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2770070]

We just noticed an error on where p.34 was blank. This has now been corrected and the poem titled "Untitled" by T.D. is now back.

[Anonymous No.2770144]

bump

[Anonymous No.2770179]

>>2769966
A short story shouldn't be any longer than a single page.

[Anonymous No.2770184]

>>2770179
What is one page? Also I think TAR has submission guidelines where they state the length of stories. You must clearly be new here.

[Anonymous No.2770190]

>>2769987

[Anonymous No.2770198]

>>2770190
Im sure you've been here for 16 months. And the months before that when ZWG was around.

[Anonymous No.2770204]

>>2770179

0/10

Take your flash fiction and fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2770232]

>>2770204
Brevity is the soul of wit, bro.

[Anonymous No.2770233]

>>2770232
Aphorisms are the bane of /lit/ bro.

[MrThrills !GHap51.yps No.2770235]

>>2770232
"Said by a very talkative character."
-Said by my Grandfather

Fuck you, Grandad! I'm so glad you're dead, you cheeky cunt!

[Anonymous No.2770278]

Bump

[Anonymous No.2770316]

Does anything ever get through that isn't incredibly dark or depressing? Good christ that first story. I mean, it was okay, but bad vibes through and through. This second one isn't shaping to be much better, although I'm critical of the narrators knowledge of capsicum but that's forgivable. Still reading.

[Anonymous No.2770320]

>>2770233
>tfw you clap after a post

[Anonymous No.2770322]

>>2770316

Silly, something isn't art if it's not dark, nihilistic or depressing.

Sincerely,

The 21st Century

[Anonymous No.2770325]

Not only that fewer men may know is probably the best poem published in TAR. I'm absolutetly in love with the symbolism of birth and love. The author says more with a couple lines than the rest of the submissions combined.

You guys really struck gold this time.

[Anonymous No.2770343]

>>2770325
I don't read poetry and it seems a little too deep for me. Care to offer your interpretation?

[Anonymous No.2770345]

untitled was the best poem

[Anonymous No.2770350]

>>2770322
That's so fake and gay.
I was going to write something to submit in neutral language but now I'm totally going to make it light-hearted.

I enjoyed the descriptions of the stories even if I didn't fully absorb them or their depression. My opinion of the poems is that they were, as poems so often are, poems.

[Anonymous No.2770364]

>>2770343
Not only that fewer men may know

(I have fashioned a body from the earth and sea
to tempt and feed a craving man.
I have sent this man crawling out
from the corners of her lips -
out from the black squall of her mouth,
from the crush of her thousand diamond teeth -
onto the immaculate sands
choking on mud and sorrow.)

but that I may know less and less reason have to know.

-----------------

It should be about birth and the creation of man, right? The poetry almost got a religious tonel.

> I have fashioned a body from the earth and sea to tempt and feed a craving man
(The moment of creation. We are soil and water)

> I have sent this man crawling out
from the corners of her lips -
out from the black squall of her mouth,
from the crush of her thousand diamond teeth -
onto the immaculate sands
choking on mud and sorrow.

This is the acknowledgment of his/her love. It's passionate yet frightful. "What am I getting myself into?".

The allegoration of birth (it is a mess for anyone who's experienced it) and the vagina (crush of her thousand diamond teeth) a man born into a sad world "immaculate sands choking on mud and sorrow".

I guess it could be about a postnatal depression as well.

And then ending that really wraps it all together.
>but that I may know less and less reason have to know.
Like what do I know, who am I to judge - even though i've been through this.

The poem is sad yet hopeful. Beautiful despair with evoking imagery that is powerful and graphic but ambiguous in it's at the same time. I've read it several times and found a new meaning everytime.

Is the writer a man or a woman - what is the point of perspective. The writer show's restraint. The words aren't purple but yet "epic" for lack of a better word.

[Anonymous No.2770379]

>>2770364

People keep using "purple" to describe things on this board...what does that mean in terms of prose and poetry?

[Anonymous No.2770383]

>>2770379
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_prose
>pulp ficiton

[Anonymous No.2770400]

read the stories, they were all pretty good. (though I couldn't get into the Fertility one) I would say "Everything's Amateur" had some good prose, I enjoyed reading it, but for the life of me, I couldn't focus on the actual story at all.

[Anonymous No.2770403]

>>2770364
Did you ever hear the saying "If you open your head too much, your brain will fall out" ? If it's really so simple to find endless new meanings so quickly in something so short, it seems unlikely they were put there on purpose. Which doesn't detract from the pure reading, but gives less respect to tha author, perhaps it is essentially meaningless, which would allow it to be completely open for interpretation. I am no judge of poetry however.

[Anonymous No.2770412]

I think that is the purpose of poetry, but I guess the author would be better suited to answer that question. The point is really that the poem moved me in a way that I didn't think was possible, but your interpretation is as good as mine.

[Anonymous No.2770417]

>>2770364
>Not only that fewer men may know but that I may know less and less reason have to know.
What do you think about the decision to parenthesise the birth section? Is it possible that it's a measure that delineates the parenthesised section as secondary yet ancillary?

[Anonymous No.2770428]

>>2770417
Yes. The actual poem is:
>Not only that fewer men may know,
>but that I may know less and less reason have to know.

You don't get wiser as you get older. Life gets more complex. Life begets life and here we are none the wiser.

It's a genius twist hidden in the structure of the poem - given the explanation as a secondary and subordinate form.

The focus lies only on those two meanings, not the experience itself. It is capsulated in the actual format also with the last sentence standing like that.

[Anonymous No.2770476]

>>2770428
I can't help but think you're the guy who wrote it, having a conversation with yourself to spell out all the intricacies you think people won't pick up on.
If so, why pretend? Just do a little appendix work on here and be honest about it.

[Anonymous No.2770504]

>>2769898
Holy fuck, what is up with A common fertility ritual. That verbose language make it feel like some second hand lovecraft story.

[Anonymous No.2770510]

I read two random ones, then remembered you said "summer issue describes this perfectly"....

[Anonymous No.2770514]

>/lit/
>future writers of this generation
lol

[Anonymous No.2770561]

DEAR GOD

>Not only that fewer men may know
by !!fcpOe3O2SRa

What the fuck was this poem?

>The Shut-In’s Love Poem
by Chad Davis

OHHHHHH MY GOD!! This is so shitty I can't believe!!! I swear it's written by a girl on her pms (despite apparently being written by a guy)

>Rooftop
by Tom Costello

>Hands dusted of peach pits,
Gravel, and feathered things
Which perch in souls,

Oh my fucken god.


I would never, ever EVER submit my work to TAR, and have it anywhere near this babby garbage. Fuck this is so bad I can't even.

[Anonymous No.2770574]

>>2770561
>i didn't get accepted !!!!

[Anonymous No.2770660]

sin vacuum is really good.

[Anonymous No.2770691]

Aww. Mine didn't make it this time.

Good issue though, for the most part.

[Anonymous No.2770789]

>>2770400
I did overload "Everything's Amateur" with description. I'm working on cutting that back with my current writing.

[Anonymous No.2770847]

Mine got through (A Brothel Tale)! Upon rereading I know that there's a lot I could do to improve it; any feedback from /lit/?

[Anonymous No.2770854]

>>2770847
It was well written, but I'm not sure what you were trying to get across. The arabness felt a little hollow.

[Anonymous No.2770857]

>>2770691
>couldn't even make TAR
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.2770870]

>>2770857

>implying they don't close their eyes and pick random ones

[Anonymous No.2770891]

>>2770857
>>2770870

I've won the TAR award twice. I've also been rejected twice. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2770910]

Well it's certainly better than the writers workshop for senior citizens I've got in my town. I'll give you that.

[Anonymous No.2770913]

>>2770891
Andrew?

[Anonymous No.2770922]

>>2770913

Reginald?

[Anonymous No.2770929]

>>2770922
Hello.

[Anonymous No.2770947]

>>2770929

Hey.

[Anonymous No.2770950]

>>2770947
Hi

[Anonymous No.2771033]

i enjoyed the first story but thought the end was a bit weak. not because of what happened, i just felt like there wasn't a punch. you knew it was coming and then it did and it was over

[Anonymous No.2771067]

first couple pages of shut up sauce is great, but then it had to get all serious with molestation or whatever the fuck. why couldn't it have just been about the sauce, are you trying to get published in oprah's book club or something

[Anonymous No.2771750]

Rejected author here ;_;
How does one deal with the feelings of inadequacy?

[Anonymous No.2771767]

>>2771750
>rejected from TAR

Wow, just kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.2771772]

i liked the poetry. esp. the trip's, the anon's (i have a feeling they are they same person) and the untitled one.

[Anonymous No.2772000]

the brothel story's narrator seems like a homosexual. not in the pejorative sense really, but almost like his language has a heavy lisp. and it is negative, because i don't think that's how it's supposed to come across.

also, what the fuck is with the first 3 stories (all that i've read so far) all being first person. gets pretty fucking old

[Anonymous No.2772008]

>>2772000
also, it is very unlikely that a pimp would greet them at the door and this shows the author's inexperience. a tout would greet them or maybe a staffmember of the brothel, but a pimp in the usual sense of the word would not

[asa No.2772118]

>>2770504
Subject matter was very different to Mr. HPL. Disregarding Shoggoths.

I am curious to what you think would be an improvement.

Thank you editors.

[Anonymous No.2772155]

it's kind of amusing how you ordered the stories by quality. it's a pretty steep drop after the first two though.

need more sci-fi!

[Anonymous No.2772184]

>>2772155
That is a strong statement to make. Could you explain your reasoning?

[Anonymous No.2772225]

>>2772118
I think you misunderstood, it was a compliment in disguise. I liked your story altough I wouldn't mind if you explained what it's about.

[Anonymous No.2772229]

>>2772008
Ugh, the story was a narrative from a pothead who heard the story from that dude while being high, he could have told us Mother Theresa greeted them and it wouldn't make any difference.

[asa No.2772230]

>>2772225
Oh, I misunderstood. Thank you. It is about smoking and lung cancer, I had hoped the illustration would make that clear even if the text did not.

[None !!fcpOe3O2SRa No.2772706]

Thank you all for the kind words and conversation. I'm glad you enjoyed the poem. This feeling is why I continue to submit to TAR.

>>2770364
>the vagina (crush of her thousand diamond teeth)
That made me laugh.

It's really interesting to hear people's interpretations because they're always different from each other and from my intentions. It's such a pleasure to be able to read my own poem in new ways after sharing it. There is no right way or wrong way to read it. I certainly don't mind if someone enjoys my poem for their own reasons rather than searching for what I meant or what I see when I read it over.

>The writer show's restraint. The words aren't purple but yet "epic" for lack of a better word.
This is a great compliment. I was going for the "epic" feel, as you put it.

>>2770417
The parentheses are a key part of the structure for me, so it pleases me to see them mentioned.

>>2770476
You can be sure he's not me. Like you said, there's no point in pretending. As for spelling out the intricacies, everybody's done a satisfactory job without me.

>>2771772
>(i have a feeling they are they same person)
What gave me away?

That's enough of that. I'll be back after I read the issue.

[Anonymous No.2773185]

Submit story about monkey smelling his finger.

Get no rejection letter.

It was an amusing story.

[Anonymous No.2773369]

What's with TAR..? The poetry is all attempting to be unreadable and classical or something. I thought they might have flow or something, but it's just bullshit.

[Anonymous No.2773378]

>>2773185
Be the change you want in TAR.

[Anonymous No.2773383]

>>2773369
Welcome to amateur poetry

[Anonymous No.2773384]

>>2773369
What do you mean by flow?

[Anonymous No.2773543]

>>2773384
Heavy and bloody.

[Anonymous No.2773951]

TAR should rename themselves while they have the chance.

I vote for
PLEB as the new name.

[Anonymous No.2774123]

>>2773951
>>>/mu/
>>2773369
Could you please post a poem as an example of what you want?

[Anonymous No.2774130]

>>2774123
Better poetry...

[Anonymous No.2774632]

tar it is time to seperate with 4chan. including 4chans fucking name in each publication ruins your magazine. i will never tell my friends about it until you do

[Anonymous No.2775074]

>>2774123
Not the guy you're talking to, but here's a poem with a good flow:

My Papa's Waltz

The whiskey on your breath
Could make a small boy dizzy;
But I hung on like death:
Such waltzing was not easy.

We romped until the pans
Slid from the kitchen shelf;
My mother's countenance
Could not unfrown itself.

The hand that held my wrist
Was battered on one knuckle;
At every step you missed
My right ear scraped a buckle.

You beat time on my head
With a palm caked hard by dirt,
Then waltzed me off to bed
Still clinging to your shirt.

--Theodore Roethke


It seems to me that most of the people submitting free verse would be much better off writing a sonnet. Lack of structure gives you an excuse to be sloppy, while a cast-iron form forces creative thought.

[Anonymous No.2775079]

>>2775074
It's easier to get away without creative thought with structure.

[Anonymous No.2775250]

>>2775074
>A beginners poem that is, i'd rather suggest your learn more poetry.

[Anonymous No.2775254]

>>2769898
Why is the website an image with text instead of HTML? Why isn't there a dedicated emails erver? This really doesn't seem like something I'd send my manuscripts.

[Occam No.2775363]

>>2775254
Hey, let me apply this thing I've been trying out, I'm gonna call it my 'blade' - but that sounds a bit weaboo. Razor? but with like two zero's? Raz00r. Maybe go all CAPS like RAZOR BITCHES. idk.

Anyway:
>Why is the website an image with text instead of HTML?
Because these are art people, delicate souls with full lips and soft hands. These people don't HTML into things, they are neckbeards fcs. (for christ sake).

>Why isn't there a dedicated emails erver?
Because they can't afford one. What does that tell you about this tin-pot outfit?

[Anonymous No.2775371]

>>2775363
That they're not-for-profit and don't have money to waste on something as pointless as a dedicated email server when email is free?
I don't know why anyone bothers to criticise anything on 4chan, seeing as everything ever gets criticised here, it's all a bit meaningless.

[Anonymous No.2775374]

>>2775371
>I bet your TAR award looks great on the job app for Burger King, you little creamcake.

[Anonymous No.2775399]

>>2775371
Any shitwad with half a brain can make a real website instead of a freaking image file, and maintaining an email server costs less than a kindergartener's allowance. Where do they host is that they don't even have a dedicated emails ervice there? For fuck's sake, it all costs like 15 a year.

No, all this means is that the whole thing is sloppy. They didn't bother finding a webdesigner, they didn't bother with the technical aspects at all. It all is not a sign of people very interested in what they're doing.

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2775425]

It's quite apparent none of you have read the editorial, since the answer is there:

Homepage will be released next issue featuring:

An archive of all issues
Editorial Blog
Fully integrated submittable.com
Social media nonsense

Here is a scr-shot of what it currently looks like. It will be improved by the time of release.

Answer to the mail question. G-mail is brilliant for organizing, sharing documents, calender appointments etc...

We do have the ability to connect it to the server mails but the guy who owns the domain name and server is currently away.

[beijing_wild !qSwdzbz3lA No.2775511]

TAR is a platform for people from different communities (most of all /lit/) who want to share their literary aspirations, of which we (the editors) select the most promising or accomplished ones, according to our views on what's readable.

Our views are subjective insofar as they may not always be representative of majority taste - but then, why don't you go read 50 shades of gray, and find out for yourself if "majority" views are what you really want.

Sometimes, texts are experimental; sometimes not. But I am sure of the fact that absolutely every piece of text we publish has something interesting in it that makes it worth the read.

We aren't doing it for the profit, so we depend on people from the community to do the things that we couldn't do otherwise.

Hosting is done by a guy from /lit/ who pays the yearly provider costs.

The new website is being designed by a guy from /lit/ who is using his spare time for that.

The structure of our team is motivation-based. Whoever wants to realize his project or goal, is free to join and do it. TAR is just the platform that some of us ("editors") use to do what they have fun doing.

[beijing_wild !qSwdzbz3lA No.2775514]

Right now, I am in charge of selecting the poetry. If you don't approve of my selection, you have 3 options:

1) Join TAR and be my concurrence
2) Voice your opinion in this thread constructively (if you're against something, then make an alternative suggestion)
3) Shut Up

Of course, there's the fourth option
4) Express your destructive views on our free-minded literary enterprise in such a manner as to portray yourself as the unforbearing, narrow, stupid and boring consumer you are.

Now I understand when you argue that the poems lack "flow". But I can name you a hundred great poems that don't have flow; flow is just one of the qualities that can make a poem an interesting reading. By the way, I think the Theodore Roethke poem is quite boring, and I wouldn't have included it in my selection. Again, you can argue for its worth in the thread, or join TAR to make your point when it comes to the submissions that we receive.

At TAR, we try to think of ourselves as part of a community; instead of the vertical structure of Publisher->Consumer. The communication channels are open both ways. See our monthly publishing of this small literary publication as an attempt to intelligently communicate with you, dear readers. (We're all readers, and cruel ones at that)

[Anonymous No.2775572]

>>2775514
>You fucking mug. You fucking mug cunt. You stupid fucking mug cunt. You stupid fucking mug faced cunt. You stupid fucking mug faced cunt's mouth.

Keep up the good work, don't let yourself get trolled.

[Anonymous No.2775596]

>>2775514
>everything ever gets criticised here, it's all a bit meaningless.
Haters gon' hate.

>>2775374
I'm not involved with TAR, I just think it's obvious you're an angry retard.

[Deep&Edgy !UfFKGtFx2M!!/0aWHODYBc0 No.2775769]

>>2775764

>A Brothel Tale
2/5
Arab guy almost loses his v-card, how very interdedasteding. Like, what more is there to say? At least the writing was competent (i.e. well structured), if not a little antiquated. Like, I've heard loads of v-card stories and there's nothing that makes this one remarkable. Most of the ones I've heard at least have the good fortune to be told in an economic style. I could post a thread on /r9k/ asking this question and get more interesting stories, even if only a paragraph long.
So no, there isn't a sufficient degree of good writing or a good story for me to say this is a decent piece of fiction.

>Everything's Amateur
2/5
Trying to find a coherent story under several sediment layers of stodgy descriptions general. Someone says something: cue an entire paragraph of description or nostalgia that goes nowhere. It's actually hard to make out what the fuck is even happening in this story there's so much description. Half of the time "***" seems to be an excuse for the writer not to explain any plot progession or suffer the inconvenience of actually telling a story. I mean, fuck. And as far as the descriptions go, what is the point? Most of it is just about ugly, detestable shit anyway. And the author doesn't even do anything with this shit, he just cakes it on his narrative. It doesn't invest you in the story any further, he doesn't bring out the subject of descriptions in any particularly fresh way, and there is little point to description outside of that. On the more positive side, if this guy were to get together with the TAR award winner and fuck, they might produce the next best generation of BEE/Palahnookydook writers.

[Deep&Edgy !UfFKGtFx2M!!/0aWHODYBc0 No.2775764]

Fiction:

>Sin Vacuum
3/5
Meh tier. The narrator is annoying, the main themes have been done to death with little variation, the story is predictable, the characters equally so and for the most part unmemorable and not particularly endearing. The author can at least write a decently flowing story. So my conclusion is that the author is cruising his way towards being a semi-respectable Pahlaniuk or BEE. I'm curious as to why this got the TAR award.

>Shut Up Sauce
5/5
Now this was an absolute joy to read through. This sort of writing is what awesome novels are made of. The redwall-tier food descriptions make you hungry. The writing's often comical. The darker subtext is rather well-done even if you can see it coming. And it's non-intrusive, especially the conclusion. This would have been my TAR award winner.

>A Common Fertility Ritual
3/5
Would have done better if refined into a piece of poetry. I guess if you are into literature it is a decent descriptive passage but on its own it's neither here nor there. If you put this into the middle of a horror story or something it mite b cool.

[Anonymous No.2775784]

>>2775769
>fake D&E
>having taste

[Deep&Edgy !UfFKGtFx2M!!/0aWHODYBc0 No.2775788]

>>2775784
Keep it on topic mate but thanks for drawing attention to my posts with the bump cheers

[Anonymous No.2775790]

>>2775784
I really liked these posts. I hope he does the poetry too.

[asa No.2775797]

>>2775764
Thank you for taking the time to review the works.
I understand the reasoning behind your comments on my work but would not make those changes for reasons of my own.

[Anonymous No.2775882]

>>2775784
What happened to the real D&E?

[Deep&Edgy !UfFKGtFx2M!!/0aWHODYBc0 No.2775935]

>>2775882
He's locked in my basement

[Anonymous No.2775954]

>>2775935
eminist women love Eminem
[*vocal turntable: chigga chigga chigga*]
"Slim Shady, I'm sick of him
Look at him, walkin around grabbin his you-know-what
Flippin the you-know-who," "Yeah, but he's so cute though!"
Yeah, I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose
But no worse, than what's goin on in your parents' bedrooms
Sometimes, I wanna get on TV and just let loose, but can't
but it's cool for Tom Green to hump a dead moose
"My bum is on your lips, my bum is on your lips"
And if I'm lucky, you might just give it a little kiss
And that's the message that we deliver to little kids
And expect them not to know what a woman's clitoris is
Of course they gonna know what intercourse is
By the time they hit fourth grade
They got the Discovery Channel don't they?
"We ain't nothing but mammals.." Well, some of us cannibals
who cut other people open like cantaloupes [SLURP]
But if we can hump dead animals and antelopes
then there's no reason that a man and another man can't elope
[*EWWW!*] But if you feel like I feel, I got the antidote
Women wave your pantyhose, sing the chorus and it goes

[Anonymous No.2776195]

>>2775514
Oh boy insulting readers. Now that isn't a tad unprofessional. The thing about releasing on /lit/ is it is ultimately up to them to come to a consensus on what they like. If they dislike it, so what. Argue like this and eventually you're gonna get trolled.

[Anonymous No.2776230]

How do you go about "joining" TAR anyway?

[Anonymous No.2776244]

>>2769898
Why do all the poetry editors get so pained when it's pointed out they aren't very good at selecting poetry.

[Anonymous No.2776262]

Usually it's the quality of the work that is the issue with Tar. However this edition seems to have really horrifying errors of grammar and spelling mistakes. These errors make it really difficult to give these writers any sort of credit for their hard work and gives the e-zine an appearance of being put together haphazard.

[Anonymous No.2776365]

TAR thread time? TAR thread time

>Sin Vacuum: 3/5
Reasonably written, interesting enough plot - but not exactly stellar. The ending was well executed however, as was the repeating story about the brother with the missing fingers.

>Shut up Sauce: 4/5
Should have won the award. This piece was great, I couldn't help but laugh at the ending. All that buildup

>Common Fertillity ritual: 3/5
Is this even prose? The writing is rapturous, the picture is good.... but I didn't really care for what was going on. Sorry

>A brothel tale: 3/5
Nice and solid short story. It isn't breathtaking, but it ain't bad either. The opening paragraph is notably well written

>Everything's amateur: 2/5
The style has potential, but it gets horribly overwrought and convoluted. Not to mention I am sick to death of the "hedonistic college kids end up over their heads" scenario.

My feelings towards this issue are ambivalent. Most things are well written, but the content is rather repetitive and there isn't any good sci-fi. Seriously guys, I don't want to read any more meandering stories about the boring world of real life.

[asa No.2776588]

>>2776365
>The writing is rapturous
I do not understand?

[Anonymous No.2776781]

>>2775514
>>2775514
Editors should fuck donkeys.
ESFD
Faggot.

[Anonymous No.2777456]

Been wondering how you guys are with sending out emails the day of a release. I mean could I get on an email list (that would link to discussion on lit). Also how clear are your submission standards. I hope the site turns out nice next month. I liked the stories and some of the poetry. I really can't understand a few of them so would kind of like a discussion on interpretations. Reviews are okay and all, but what the poetry is about would be interesting to discuss. Also I wonder if the stories have any depth. I just saw them for how they are superficially. I might be a shit head though so I might be missing a greater picture. Anyway best of luck TAR! PS I love it when you editors talk about the works and why you picked them and what they might mean to you. Anyway that's all.

[Anonymous No.2777466]

Wow the poetry editor you guys have is a little bitch

[Anonymous No.2777501]

>>2777466
Yes, because you are so entitled to call everything shit without having a constructive opinion.

How about you read his fucking post.
>At TAR, we try to think of ourselves as part of a community; instead of the vertical structure of Publisher->Consumer. The communication channels are open both ways. See our monthly publishing of this small literary publication as an attempt to intelligently communicate with you, dear readers. (We're all readers, and cruel ones at that)

[Anonymous No.2777521]

>>2777501
>entitled
You should work in videogames journalism

[Anonymous No.2778723]

Bum Hump.

[Anonymous No.2778887]

Alright

>Sin Vacuum: 4/5
Alright, feels like some movie plot. Alright prose. Could see the end coming.

>Shut up Sauce: 4/5
Begins some what funny. Later goes creepy, this was just as good as the winner.

>Common Fertillity ritual: 3/5
A mixture between prose and poetry. Interesting just because of that with the added suspense of the story just being weird and creepy.

>A brothel tale: 3/5
Lives entirely on the fact that it's about an arab.

>Everything's amateur: 2/5
Hurr durr... boring

[Anonymous No.2779117]

bump

[Anonymous No.2779128]

>>2775514
I remember when TAR had good editors.

[BarbadosSlim !ozOtJW9BFA No.2779133]

How does one submit to TAR? Just email it?

[Anonymous No.2779142]

>>2779133
[e-mail] I think? Been published once before by these guys and they take ages to finally tell you if you're actually in

[Anonymous No.2779143]

>>2774632
Agreed. Reputable mags woudnt explicitly mention the internets asshole in their pages. Being associated with an asshole that isn't your own is never good

[Anonymous No.2779145]

>>2779133
You could start by running to the Room of the Three Gargoyles. Push the right tongue, and a door might lead you down a staircase into the Wall Climb. Here you must choose your next path. You could race up the Observatory, spin the sundial, and pass into the Room of the Golden Idols. Once there, push down on their bases to release the doors. That may take you below or lead you into the Shrine of the Silver Monkey. Assemble the statue there, and you may be headed for the Torch Room. If the elevator is up, you could jump in the elevator and descend into the Mine Shaft. Next, you could climb up the ladder or plow through the stone wall. Find the key, and it may unlock the Tombs of the Ancient Kings, allowing you to enter the Swamp. If you escape, you might have a chance to sit upon the Throne of the Pretender. If the correct door is unlocked, you could crawl through the Pit of Despair and, finally, make your way through the Cave of Sighs and back to the Temple Gates. Place your submission there and shout "TAR! TAR! TAR!" Make your exit quietly, lest you wake the blind sphinxes. The choices are yours and yours alone. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.2779147]

>>2779133
Most people just flush the stuff, but if you've passed something you think should be seen, yeah, just e-mail it to them.

[Anonymous No.2779159]

>>2779143
Wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose of being a community magazine?

[Anonymous No.2779193]

>>2779159
Not really, they could still post here. And one of their stated goals is to be the 'hub of online literature ' so if they wanna expand they should drop the 4chan shit

[Anonymous No.2779200]

>>2779193
True enough. But it'll mean they don't represent /lit/ as much. Do you really want that? Wouldn't the best measure of success be the amount of work being submitted by /lit/?

[Anonymous No.2779206]

>>2779200
/lit/ has a very limited pool of talent. If TAR has any hopes at all of becoming something better, it will have to shrug off 4chan.

[Anonymous No.2779215]

>>2779206
Doesn't it just want to be /lit/'s ezine? I mean, if
>Reputable mags woudnt explicitly mention the internets asshole in their pages. Being associated with an asshole that isn't your own is never good
but it *is* it's own asshole.

[Anonymous No.2779231]

>>2779206
a point, but I think you're missing what I'm trying to say. Having a shitty magazine you can laugh at and interact with endlessly is often more fun than having a flawless sculpture that looks pretty but doesn't care about readers at all. Different worlds here

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2779254]

We of course discuss our dependece on /lit/, or if we should separate with 4chan.

However we all feel that we a sometimes, oddly, like you. At least our contact with the authors of this board. We don't keep this up to become rich or famous or expecting praise - however we appreciate literary debate.

And please, the one who suggested that TAR ever would becoming reputable - that will never happen - ever. We however can become a good magazine with quality content, and perhaps some reputation can come from that.

Why can't we grow together - up the literary talent of the board as well as TAR.

Im somewhat dumbfounded by the people who said that they would never have their work connected to TAR. No one cares where you've had your previous work published. And if you really are that afraid, send it in anonymously.

Clearly there is something else going on behind these comments.

[Anonymous No.2779288]

>>2779254
>Clearly there is something else going on behind these comments.
you can't accept that people might not be interested in submitting?

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2779299]

>>2779288
>you can't accept that people might not be interested in submitting?
Of course we can, but why are they going out of their way to try to TARnish, hehe, our name by shitposting in our release threads. It's really like they don't have better things to do.

[Anonymous No.2779313]

don't lose faith TAR peoples, I appreciate what you're doing and it's honestly beautifully put-together and professional-looking. I'd love to have a work featured some day if i can meet the level of quality everyone's come to expect

[Anonymous No.2779495]

TAR went south when...
>They stopped emailing and corresponding. They make authors wait and see if they got in. Not professional, not nice.
>They don't have Prole heading these threads.
>They got a poetry editor that gets butthurt instead of explaining why he chose what he chose.
>When they got rid of interesting ideas (the pornography, the short poetry that was more clever than deep, the odd stories, etc) and replaced them with depressive stories or artsy stories.

[Keaton Shake !!yGmvH6kpa3n No.2779498]

>>2779495
>They stopped emailing and corresponding. They make authors wait and see if they got in. Not professional, not nice.

Do you guys really do this?

[Anonymous No.2779500]

When is the site going to be available? It's been 3 months now. And I've seen what the site is so far and it's pretty shite.

[Anonymous No.2779510]

>She leaves me with the neighbor lady whose husband never comes out of the house and he smells like Ben Gay.

See, it looks like something went wrong with this sentence, but it's also possible that the author deliberately wrote it that way to go for the "artistically grammar-non-compliant postmodern stream of consciousness" feel. The first, I could forgive at the expense of blaming your editor who is a documented retard. The second, though, makes me want to stop reading immediately just on the possibility.

[Anonymous No.2779519]

>>2779510
>your editor is a documented retard

Hahaha

[Deep&Edgy !UfFKGtFx2M!!/0aWHODYBc0 No.2779523]

TAR went south when Prole never got back to me about our game of winspmbt

[Anonymous No.2779529]

TAR is dead.

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2779531]

>>2779498
No, of course don't believe the trolls.

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2779534]

>>2779500
Already answered in this thread and the editorial. Next issue.

[Anonymous No.2779546]

>>2779531
>>2779531
Horseshit. Your thread even shows that you are lying.
You guys have the worst way of responding. For a few months now you can see people posting with surprise or hurt that they got in or didn't on the day you make these threads. Look through this thread and a few others if they are archived.

I like the magazine and I like how you guys make these threads but don't lie about how you operate.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2779559]

>>2779495
I'm still around, but having 4 editors responding like mad dogs to every comment is only going to turn the thing into an editor convention. My policy has always been minimal editor intervention unless directly requested.

'course, even now we get a terrible clusterfuck of editors replying all over the place. Quite irritating, I had actually asked in advance of this thread just to concentrate replies to one editor so people have someone familiar.. but you can see how that went. We really need to start getting people more responsive and organized


>>2779523
;-;

Okay, let me just be honest here about what really happened. I had made an awesome custom map, probably one of the best I've ever made. The outskirts to the cityscape were kind of plain, but the inside was extremely well structured and built with unique buildings etc. I even played a few test rounds and realized that Somalis were actually a better representation of the resistance than red.

And then I updated the game, and lost every fucking file. EVERY FUCKING FILE. I just called it quits and got caught up in zine work. See attached pic for a rough idea of what it looked like. Fuck reality


>And for the record guys, I'm the one who started this delayed email response thing. If you want a scapegoat blame me

[Anonymous No.2779561]

>>2779531

If I want to send you guys something, does it have to be artsy 2deep4u Dakota Fanning on gmail chat Po-Mo shit? Or will I have a chance even if 60% of the story volume isn't me relating in the first person the time when I was seven and my grandmother's dog shit on the table, in a long winding conversational narrative with no clear destination and lots of multi-paragraph asides?

I know that sounds like I'm just trying to insult you in the form of a question, but I'm really asking you this. If I write something that isn't trying to seem as much like Tao Lin as possible, will you consider it? Or is TAR for the likes of chuck_palahniuk_intestine_masturbation_story.txt only?

[Anonymous No.2779569]

>>2779561

They exclusively want scat stories for the next issue.

[Anonymous No.2779573]

>>2769898
>+ 156 posts and 17 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view.
Shiggy Diggy

[Anonymous No.2779633]

I don't get it.But I've never talked to Prole. I've only talked to the swedish guy (Peter I believe his name is). He usually responds within minutes, don't know how he does that. He has also proofread my submissions and came with writing advice, being generally nice. I've submitted to some other magazines and never gotten a response like that before. And at the end of the day I can actually ask the editors why I got refused in this thread or through e-mail afterwards. In what way do they have failed communication. Or have I been alone with this treatment?

[Anonymous No.2779642]

the lack of mods on this board is regrettable.

every day I came home from work and report any TAR threads I see. All my work is done in vanity

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2779646]

>>2779633
This guy is complaining about not being notified about his piece being accepted or not. We usually don't give official confirmation until the day of release.

Honestly, I don't think it is a massive deal. We usually end up selecting pieces a the end of the month, there really isn't much point in notifying people two days in advance of the real thing.

However, if it is bothering people it won't be that hard to change things.

[Anonymous No.2779667]

>>2779633
No, all the editors I have corresponded with have been quick to do so and helpful about it. It's not as though there's any period of time when they're not accepting submissions, so they can't be expected to be able to say whether or not something will be used until the very last minute. That said, they clearly do their best to.

[Anonymous No.2779729]

>>2779646
Speed up you roll. A month to respond about getting in or not is sad to be honest. But the problem is you aren't responding about getting in. I understand the arguments but you should at least respond quickly to submitters saying "we are reading blah blah blah."

Also a news letter would be good.

I really wonder why you don't accept works earlier considering you can work with the author to fix grammar and ask about interpretations.

Best of luck. Hope the new site looks good!

[Anonymous No.2779759]

>>2779646
>However, if it is bothering people it won't be that hard to change things.

I would be a lot more willing to try submitting something if I thought I'd get the courtesy of hearing back before it went to publish, yeah.

Are you so pressed for good content that you can't decide whether you want to accept a story or not until you see everything else that gets submitted for that month? Like, you look at a submission - do you not evaluate it and say, "Yes, this is good", or "No, this is bad"? Doing it the way you are suggests that instead of that, you're just waiting until you have everything you're going to get, and then try to pick out the least-shitty ones. If my work can only be accepted based on its relative badness compare to everyone else's, should I really be happy to get in at all?

I want to write something for you guys. I'd love to. But if I make it in I'd like to think I made it in on merit of my writing, not because I won the "Sucked the least in July" competition.

[Anonymous No.2779781]

>>2779729
>>2779759

>I WON'T SUBMIT MY AMAZING WORK UNLESS YOU DO THIS, THIS AND THIS
Hyperbole but it should get the point across.

[Anonymous No.2779786]

>>2779781

when did I say I thought my work was amazing?

Prole said he might change things if it was bothering people. I told him it was bothering me, and explained why it's disrespectful to applicants.

eat shit troll.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2779889]

>>2779729
I can sympathize, the current way we're running things is frustratingly sloppish. People almost inevitably get sidelined or fall through the cracks because we don't have a consistent system.

Trying to organize things has been my goal since returning to TAR. There has been plenty of resistance (mainly from people who use "lack of organization is liberating" as an excuse to put their fingers in as many pies as possible), but I'm hoping this can be overcome this month.

As for a newsletter, I think this is an outstanding idea. When we get the website up and running (one more month, I swear) I'll definitely suggest we try doing this. People don't always know what TAR is doing and it'd be great to improve communications. Regarding acceptance dates for work, I'm not sure what you mean? We usually accept work all the way throughout the month, the only thing an author risks for submitting at the wrong time is a months wait until next issue. Is this really a problem?


>>2779759
What has been happening is that the delay to accept a piece has been so prolonged that It usually takes it until the end of the month just to get everybody together and get a majority vote consensus. If we put our minds to it, I'm sure we can send out acceptance replies by the 24th. It is a problem, and we definitely want to take care of it if this is dissuading authors

I hope this helps. I'm going to be away from this thread for an hour or so, but if you have any further complaints or questions I'll try and get to them whenever I can

[Anonymous No.2780010]

>>2779889
I wonder... Do you guys let authors know when you receive their work that you have actually received it.

[Anonymous No.2780011]

>>2780010
Yeh I got bare emails like dat bro

[Anonymous No.2780400]

>>2779889

Thanks for the polite response, Prole. It's encouraging to know you guys are working on it; I'll be working on my submission, in turn.

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2780487]

>>2779889
Prole, since you're taking the time to attack your fellow editors for "sticking the fingers in as many pies as possible", which is not the first time either you do these kind of things, openly on this board. I'd like you to explain what it is exactly that you do in TAR except answer questions in these threads.
If you want to have this talk - since I know it's me your aiming it at - let's have it out in the open, and let's talk about some of the things that you do. Or rather not do.

Just shut the fuck up and stop attacking your colleagues to gain some fucking points with some anons on this board.

[Anonymous No.2780498]

>>2780487
Either amazing troll or a cunt.

Dude you are extremely unprofessional and I kind of hope TAR dies now. This is sad. Anyway anons have good points and you are being quite the faggot.

[TheSwedishCunt No.2780617]

>>2780487
>>2780487
>>2780487
Please stop that. You need a guy to talk to the readers. Clearly you aren't that guy. Prole is at least subtle. Also from being published in past issues I dealt mainly with Prole and he was wonderful to correspond with. The simple fact that you have less correspondence with authors and poor correspondence with readers is a problem. Please relax. No one blames you for the bad writing (which has gotten better much better). We blame you guys for how you communicate and how you run the site. Also the site issues are being worked out so I can say that I'm excited and glad about that. But communication is essential. You look like a child.

[Anonymous No.2780657]

And now
TAR
Is
Dead
ta-da!

[Anonymous No.2780668]

You guys complaining about the slow response time do know that most lit journals usually don't respond to an unsolicited submission within a month right? I personally however do see an issue with letting authors know his/her work has been accepted/rejected in such a short time before publication. What if the work has been accepted at another magazine?

[Anonymous No.2780677]

>>2780668
>submission to TAR
>What if the work has been accepted at another magazine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

[Anonymous No.2780698]

2780668
It's a legitimate question most lit journals can answer

[Anonymous No.2780704]

Loved Sin Vacuum. Great narration, interesting things to say.

[Anonymous No.2780710]

>>2780668
The point is to make a better magazine. They should strive to be the best on time. Duotrope has response time as very important and the statistics add up. TAR needs to 1. Have a very personable market that reminds authors to use duotrope. (I don't know of any other websites like Duotrope otherwise I would suggest those) 2. Have a newsletter - people like that shit (Prole is good at talking to authors and readers so he could do that Swedish editor has always been meh tier at communication) 3. Fix website (coming along splendidly I hope) 4. Have a better process of work - have a poetry editor approve poems and the head honcho approve his approvals etc. 5. No more editor bitchiness in these threads - just answer questions.
6. Speed speed speed - people like fast in and out yes or no rejected or accepted responses. 7. Also just a thought - clearly define what you want what makes TAR stand out or special.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2780722]

>>2780487
Peter, there is no limitation to this whatsoever. Please note that I have not labelled any particular editor from these comments, this is me voicing my opinion. You can contest it, but I don't feel I'm stepping over any line here. Calm down.

That said, we don't really need drama in this thread. I have a suspicion most of the "supportive" replies to my posts are intended only to troll and fuel further drama. We can talk about this later

[Anonymous No.2780738]

>>2780487

ooooh shit NIGGA

I can't BELIEVE what you just made happen to yourself

[Anonymous No.2780854]

>>2780722
>Peter, there is no limitation to this whatsoever.

oh shit, it's on

captcha: firdhyG Writing

[ICE, NIGGA !pjI9M8zYqQ No.2780862]

got damn @ TAR infighting and dissolution

my piece got rejected but pete's a nice guy when he e-mailed me about reading it so i'm swervin' in that nigga's camp, FUCK THE PROLE-ICE!

...NIGGA!

[Anonymous No.2780969]

i'll give one bibliotik invite to the best review of this issue of TAR in the next 30 minutes

(best meaning the one i agree with most or is most amusing)

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2781012]

We all disagree, all the time, this doesn't mean that it's the end in anyway. Dissen is a very common editorial practice in real-life as well - believe me.

It's just unnecessary to bring it out in the open. From any part. And please don't take sides or anything.

[Anonymous No.2781047]

Just a quick thought. I mean I know this may sound like overkill, but have you guys considered getting a simple ticketing system to deal with submissions?

I don't know how you do it right now, but with a ticketing system you could keep track of what submissions were made, who were looking at them, which ones you needed to reply to, which ones were targeted for inclusion, etc. etc. At the same time no-one would step on anyone's feet.

I just googled around a bit and this thing looks basic, decent, and free.

http://osticket.com/index.php

Just my 2c

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2781512]

>>2781047
With the new hompage we'll start using http://submittable.com/..

But thanks for the top.

[Anonymous No.2781529]

>>2781512
No problem, I've worked in several places where several people had to work on the same "issues" and it needed to be clear who was doing what where and how far along it was, a ticketing system or some sort of management system is must, particularly if you aren't sharing the same physical space.

[Anonymous No.2782725]

>>2781012
Thas what my mom and dad would say before my mom devolved him and my dad killed himself. Not even fucking kidding three years doesn't stop the pain.

[Anonymous No.2782735]

>>2782725
Devorced not devolved.

[Anonymous No.2782738]

>>2782735
Your dad was a digimon?

[Anonymous No.2782771]

>>2782738
...yes.

[Anonymous No.2783376]

So the best poem in this issue was...?
What's the best poem tar has every printed?

[Anonymous No.2783516]

>>2769898
>The April Reader aims to become a hub of online writing and content, and hopes to serve as a launching point for the future writers of this generation.

such a passive sentence.

[Anonymous No.2783646]

>>2770789
>Aspiring author fancies himself as HST.
Why man?

[Anonymous No.2785101]

Cunt bump.

[Anonymous No.2785115]

I first thought TAR was a good idea and read a few issues, but now it's just annoying and I just want it to go away.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785168]

All right gentlemen, I want to make this as painless as possible.

theswedisheditor and Bejing_wild have been kicked as editors. As founder of TAR, I have taken what I see as rightful control of the TAR email, twitter, facebook, and all other media outlets. This takeover has sadly been autocratic, but considering how little these people care for voting, I do not believe this action unjustifiable.

This is not about a trivial dispute between editors with a few curses. This is about getting rid of a problem that has been building ever since I rejoined TAR after having left. These two have progressively usurped all technical functions within TAR ever since they were let in, pushed out the older editor I had left with them (Matthew) during my absence, and have since done their best to centralize all effective activity around themselves. theswedisheditor complains that I have done very little these past few months: Quite right, who would be enthusiastic to perform the duties of a sockpuppet? I am sick to death of this unbalanced arrangement and the professionalizing mentality behind it. Today, the slate gets wiped clean.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785175]

But there is a another conflict here as well. One that is in my opinion much more important. For a long time, TAR has been drifting towards elitism and sterile professionalism in content. This is not what I want at all: TAR should be a living community of author-readers, not some kind of pretentious stuffed turky looking down on readers and submitters. This is the 4chan for fucks sake, we shouldn't even pretend to be competing with the new yorker. TAR should be a social relation for the community, a place for everyone to share their writing- not some kind of quality control gulag. There will always be a place for limited filters, but this mentality is literally killing our organization.


Almost assuredly, less than 50% of the content being published regularly in TAR comes from 4chan. This is bullshit, the entire purpose of TAR was to serve as an outlet for /lit/. Sure, this will mean uneven issues with all kinds of varying content and quality. I don't think this is a bad thing. Arguing and actually getting involved in the discussion is much more lively than some kind of blank chalkboard where everyone agrees. This is the joy of 4chan. TAR shouldn't be some kind of race-to-the-bottom maximum efficency scale. It shouldn't be some kind of top heavy ten-thousand-and-one arguments buearucracy either. It should be an opporunity to participate as a group and have fun. Jesus

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785178]

So please, PLEASE. Consider submitting your unpublished shoddy-around-the-edges fiction to TAR. I don't care about the quality of it unless it is absolute shit. I don't care about the content of it either unless you're Al Qaeda. The most important thing for me is that TAR becomes the grassroots expression of /lit/ writers that it used to be. These are my motives, and I hope (quite dearly in fact) that most of you agree.

>most likely there will be a massive shitstorm
>apologies

[Anonymous No.2785184]

>>2785178
>>2785175
>>2785168
Aaaand it's over.

[Anonymous No.2785195]

come on litmod if you can make this autosage why can't you do the same with offtopic threads

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2785197]

>>2785168
>>2785175
>>2785178
Yes Prole, we got kicked. It's not as if we handed you the choice.

"While I do have an opinion, it is not necessary to act upon that.

There is a way to solve the quarrel without throwing more shit.

Consider this offer:

Either you leave, or Peter and I leave.

It's your choice!

You should consider: we'd take the website, the poets, and much of the workforce with us. About Dmitriy and Jack I don't know, but I can't guarantee we shan't try to convince them of our idea of a project.

Don't act as rashly and instinctively as you did when you abruptly left our chat."

But of course you acted like the paranoid and powerhungry 20-year old kid that you are.

Good luck with TAR now. I do wish you the best.

[Anonymous No.2785205]

>>2785197
So what now, are you guys going to start a parallel thing?

[Anonymous No.2785207]

>>2785197

Did you just say that he acted like a little kid for keeping control of his own project that he made? What.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785226]

>>2785197
Peter, if it were possible to salvage this I would. But it is not. Not only are both of you completely unreceptive to the idea of a group organization beyond lip service, you have literally made some of the worst decisions to plague TAR. You often can barely even speak coherent sentences of English

Begone

[Anonymous No.2785230]

>>2785226

What bad decisions has he made? I don't get it. What's going on. What is all of this.

[Anonymous No.2785231]

>>2785207
No, it was everyone's project. Except it wasn't. But it was. But it wasn't. At least that's how I (don't) see it.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785238]

>>2785230
that atrocious sequence where we started publishing comments, for one. As for martin, some phenomenally bad covers

So many claims of technical ascendency, but these people are hardly gods.

[Anonymous No.2785250]

>>2785178
So... A. Bloom here. Watched this thread go down. Feeling bad about this but, more importantly... Will my poem about my balls have a chance to be published now?

I mean it's line by line from "the bells". Or is it too shit? Anyway, I hope the site still ends up looking good. I would offer to work for you, but I'm joinin the armed forces and I don't have any qualifications. I just like reading shit. I think you need a very specialized work atmosphere. Meaning poetry guy shouldn't be too harsh, should love poetry and should say if the poem gets in or not and then maybe you over him to say the ultimate yes or no. One person to just run the emails and the subscription emails.

Anyway best of luck and that's to all you guys. I've enjoyed reading each issue and being apart of a few and being a blight on one. Thank you for your time guys.

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2785251]

>>2785205
Yes.
>>2785207

Look, I've been with TAR since Issue 11. All major changes (design/the new homepage/ social media / you fucking name it, made since then are either my or Martins ideas.

And i've yet to see Prole proofread, have any deeper contact with authors, do line-editing, homepage updates, detail / layout design etc..

He usually comes with selection choices on Prose. He's never read the poetry or even suggested something in that area.

He believes that TAR should be a strict 4chan product and that most entries should be added.

He believes that all material should be used in one issue because stockpiling material to ensure quality is bad and insulting to the authors.

All he's done is to answer shit and act high and mighty in TAR threads.

This issue was known with the previous editor who told us Prole was absent for three months basically before we came along.

Anyway, I wont be bothered. Me and Martin has been talking about this for a long time since Prole is totally impossible to work with.

He got one task. The anthology, where work has begun just now because other editors got involved.

He bitches. That's what Prole do.

And prole, editors having a comments section is not bad. We use our judgment for the selection and in a transparent community the readers should be able to partake in that decisionmaking.

----

Anyway, we'll later announce our project on this board. Im not sure however that it will be our main base of operation.

[Anonymous No.2785260]

I feel like I'm getting second-hand stupid from reading this thread.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785270]

>>2785260
Indeed.

Looks like the account has been grabbed back from me. TAR is now an usurper organization, and out of respect I ask you all to resist it until these problems are solved

[Anonymous No.2785276]

>>2785270
It's over. You let two idiots take your project from you.

[Anonymous No.2785277]

>>2785270

>Looks like the account has been grabbed back from me. TAR is now an usurper organization

HOly shit I'm laughing so hard.

[Anonymous No.2785278]

>>2785270
>Looks like the account has been grabbed back from me
Seriously? Who was paying for the domain?

[Anonymous No.2785281]

>TAR is now an usurper organization

Just how HIGH to you have to BE to think THIS is a GOOD IDEA?

[theswedisheditor !!LoX0hychG63 No.2785282]

>>2785270
>Looks like the account has been grabbed back from me. TAR is now an usurper organization, and out of respect I ask you all to resist it until these problems are solved

Yes, since we always knew you've been wanting to do this takeover after you plotted to "retake" TAR that first time, you know when we invited you back the first time you quit - we naturally changed the password recovery e-mail. However, we will just use the e-mail to grab some things we need. You'll get TAR back soon.

You really need to stop with your little Machiavelli stunts.

[Anonymous No.2785284]

>>2785270
>out of respect
dude

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785285]

>>2785278
We still have the website, that is managed by wildweasel. I am not prepared to throw in the towel either, as I have access to all the people who are relevant and can still recreate the organization

My opinion is fundamentally that TAR has gotten out of touch with /lit/. Mainly because we have pursued elitist policies that have created something that wants attention but doesn't really have anything people care for.

Anyways, they are pretty impossible. I have no doubts that pretty soon they'll crash and burn. TAR is not dead.

[Anonymous No.2785287]

>>2785282

I'm laughing so hard. This is better than the revolution of 1917

[Anonymous No.2785288]

>>2785178
Is TAR open to other languages than English? I'm an accomplished classicist and have been looking for a public for some of my Latin verses. I know that not everyone reads Latin. I would be happy to provide a translation into American.

[Anonymous No.2785290]

>>2785287
TAR? More like TZAR am I right?

[Anonymous No.2785292]

>>2785282
This is so bitchy. God damn.

[Anonymous No.2785293]

>>2785288
>a translation into American.
>American.

Die.

[Anonymous No.2785298]

Someone archive this.

[Anonymous No.2785299]

I am not an avid reader of the magazine, but:

I have been keeping an eye on TAR since it started and think that the last 3-4 months it has gotten a lot better. In the beginning it was almost impossible to read because of shit fonts and layouts etc. etc. But in the last half a year the quality of the submissions as well as the look of TAR has markedly improved.

I have participated in several feedback threads on the development of TAR and people from the magazine have generally responded well. I thought the idea of putting artwork on the front page is good, as it gives some non-literary artists a possibility to show their shit at the same time.

I see how you could easily get a lot of back-patting and circle-jerking with something like this, it is almost inevitable, but frankly I don't think that submissions from places other than 4chan are a problem as long as those submissions are good.

I see what Prole is saying about a reader/author 4chan magazine, but the thing is... would I actually want to read it? If you have a magazine, you're going to have editors who decide what goes in it, if you just put in whatever people submit without any discretion, well, you might as well just have a forum.

That's just my 2c

This is me btw
>>2781047

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785303]

>>2785288
Now this is the kind of thing I like hearing. Please do

for the time being my email is going to be [e-mail],. And please ignore the obvious attempt by those two to brush this off.

[Anonymous No.2785304]

>>2785293

>anno domini MMXII
>habens non humor

[Anonymous No.2785305]

>TAR thread turns into a total shitstorm
>bumped to the top all hour
>Anti-sticky thread gets force-saged after three posts

Doing an awesome job, mods.

[beijing_wild !qSwdzbz3lA No.2785306]

poetry editor here. for the record, I made just ONE bad cover, not many; former editor matthew wasn't kicked, but left voluntarily; and I don't foster any hate towards Prole or anybody else.

Our marriage just didn't work out, and it seems Prole wants a War of the Roses; I consider that a cliché.

I used the skills that I acquired in a wasted youth on forums and IRC in order to retake the TAR accounts.

After solving the immediate mess, created by Prole's impulsive actions, though, I will use the skills that I, by hard work acquired in my adult life, to give Prole back control over the TAR accounts.

I am a peaceful person and don't want to ruin as nice a project as TAR.

The two other editors, Jack and Dmitriy, have the choice whether to believe Prole's false accusations. They should make a picture of the whole situation by themselves.

[Anonymous No.2785308]

any PR is good PR!

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785311]

>>2785306
Oh the posturing. This is the fellow who started telling readers to "fuck off if you don't like it" only several posts ago. I am sorry that I have had to act impulsively, but this is something that had to be dealt with. I talked with all of them prior about whether they would accept an equitable system, they would not.

[Anonymous No.2785313]

This is quite unprofessional you guys.

[Anonymous No.2785317]

>>2785313
They've been unprofessional for months, probably since the thing began.

[Anonymous No.2785325]

>>2785317
Yeah but they've been trying to maintain, laughably, a professional face for the magazine and it's quite funny to seethe whole facade go to pieces like this.

[beijing_wild !qSwdzbz3lA No.2785332]

>>2785311

Except that I offered you control over the project, and that Peter and I leave. The eMail I sent:

>>2785197

I don't know about you, but I'm having a lot of fun reading this thread! We definitely should archive it. And this is better than the Revolution of 1917. My own grand-grandparents were killed then; here, nobody dies! Instead, a lot of pompus rhetoric. Burn, Rome, Burn!

[Anonymous No.2785334]

>>2785306
Someone write a story for TAR about editors and bitches. This thread needs archived bad. A constant reminder of their cuntness. Anyway just give the accounts back jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.2785344]

requested for archival on 4chanarchive.org

[Anonymous No.2785350]

>>2785325

Don't worry after this another magazine will be made with another facade of professionalism.

[Anonymous No.2785358]

>>2785344
http://chanarchive.org/request_votes
link

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785360]

>>2785332
Propaganda stunt. I never got a chance to read it, and certainly I don't believe you honestly would.

[beijing_wild !qSwdzbz3lA No.2785363]

"congrats, this thread has been requested 4 times and will now be archived: http://chanarchive.org/4chan/lit/"

I will give Prole back the password now.

[Anonymous No.2785367]

>>2785360
>Propaganda stunt. I never got a chance to read it, and certainly I don't believe you honestly would.

Stop being silly Prole. That's the second thing we said after he sent the mail. "I bet he's changing the passwords right now".

[Anonymous No.2785368]

>>2785363

You sound so MAD. Who even thought ANY of this was a GOOD idea. I'm laughing SO hard.

[Anonymous No.2785375]

My problem with TAR.

Talk to your authors assholes. Prole has talked to me in the past. These new guys haven't.

>He believes that all material should be used in one issue because stockpiling material to ensure quality is bad and insulting to the authors.

Stockpiling is okay if you tell your authors that you are doing that. Fuck not telling them they didnt get in is stupid. I don't know if a few times I just didn't make that one issue or if you stockpiled.

Now the art stuff is awesome.

The poetry is better but less TAR/lit like and more hurr durr hurr.

The stories are a lot better. Starting with "Jesus at the airport" and beyond.

[Anonymous No.2785379]

I admire your unprofessionalism without irony. I'm rather tired of the professional, behind-closed door approach to disputes of a personal nature. Bring that ugliness right out into the public sphere. Remind people how petty and stupid human beings really are! Oh Don't hide it! Flaunt it!

[Anonymous No.2785381]

Literary ezines are a big fucking deal.

[Anonymous No.2785384]

This thread is hilarious. I always suspected the brains behind TAR were all buffoons, but at least now I know for sure.

[Anonymous No.2785400]

Editors got mad
The world went to shit
TAR is now TWO

Sadness
Sadness in their fighting
Reminds me of family
Pain pain pain
I hate the world
Stop fighting mommy Prole
And daddy SwedishCunt
And my gay step brother Bejing fag
Sadness No Noooooooo
Pain pain pain
Cut myself

Can I get in to TAR Prole? They would never have taken my poetry but now you are all accepting. :D
I've got the weirdest boner.

[Anonymous No.2785402]

Literary people are buffoon's buffoons.

[Anonymous No.2785403]

>>2785375
Listen, kid. Your "problem" with TAR is how the real publishing world actually is. If you have any hopes of ever being published beyond a shitty e-zine from 4chan, I suggest you get used to publishers not asking you how your day was or if you'd like someone to massage your ass.

[Anonymous No.2785411]

>>2785403
Listen asshole people respond to emails. Good organizations know how to communicate. Fucking submit to Pank! Or Clarksworld, or Neon. Fucking faggot they always respond. Sometimes they are harsh as shit, but a good online magazine responds and they don't make you guess. I think you haven't been published before.

[Anonymous No.2785415]

>>2785403

It's a good thing TAR IS a shitty e-zine from 4chan.

[Anonymous No.2785418]

>>2785411
Hm. More like you've never been published beyond crappy e-zines.

[Anonymous No.2785420]

You guys should try harder to keep it together. I definitely think TAR should be expanding and working toward accepting only quality submissions. I don't believe the zine has become at all elitist or pretentious.

Your aspirations are small and you are in the minority, Prole. We can already share all our shitty writing here on /lit/. There's no need for a /lit/ only zine with such lax standards, as we can just post threads and pastebin links. TAR could become something much better than that, and offer a publishing outlet for amateur writers on a multitude of sites. Having some level of quality to work toward is good for the aspiring authors.

I think it's wrong to say TAR belongs to any one person. It doesn't matter who started it. All the editors currently (or until a few hours ago) working on the zine should have equal weight and responsibility.

Take a step back, a few deep breaths, and consider what is best for the zine. Don't let your judgement be clouded by your ego's response to perceived wrongs and faults in others. Everyone has made mistakes. Everyone would have to change to keep it together. This thread proves that. And it's worth the effort. If you guys split like this, I believe TAR and any other zine started from the rubble will be ruined.

We've had a really great run so far. The quality has gone up and up and the organization itself is getting better and better. The pressure has been building and everyone is pissed off. You guys can work through it. Be willing to bend your ideals and work together to continue to provide our community as well as other communities with a valuable resource and a lot of pleasure.

[beijing_wild !qSwdzbz3lA No.2785423]

I have just handed Prole the password for all accounts.

[Anonymous No.2785425]

>>2785411
>Listen asshole people respond to emails. Good organizations know how to communicate. Fucking submit to Pank! Or Clarksworld, or Neon. Fucking faggot they always respond. Sometimes they are harsh as shit, but a good online magazine responds and they don't make you guess. I think you haven't been published before.

>Pank! Magzine answering.
They use submittable that send out a standard answer to any autho whom submitted.

They literally receive thousands of submissions every year. If you think they read them all and get back to all authors you're just stupid.

[beijing_wild !qSwdzbz3lA No.2785429]

For this thread alone, everything in these last six months was worth it! You guys don't even imagine how much fun I had reading it. Godspeed You All

[Anonymous No.2785438]

>>2785420
This guy is right, Prole. Anyone can post their bad stories and shit poems on /lit/. You have to be more selective than that, or else what the fuck is a magazine even for?

It's not "pretentious" or "elitist" to weed out the garbage. On the contrary, it is your duty as an editor to make sure only things worth reading get in. Your duty to your readers.

[Anonymous No.2785440]

>>2785429

You come off as though you're really mad but trying to seem like you're enjoying yourself. Jus' sayin'

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785441]

Okay, I don't even know what is going on at this point. Peter and Martin have genuinely agreed to quit TAR, I guess they were as fed up with the bullshit that as going on as I was. Mommy and Daddy are friends again. I'll quit acting like a er... Prole now.

Naturally I don't make policy, so I can't say beyond the shadow of a doubt this is going to happen once I've talked with the other guys. But what I want is for TAR to go back to being the casual, fun marketplace for all of /lit/'s writers to take part in. No more talk of relentless "expansion" to the detriment of everyone else, no more talk of extreme quality control that filters 50% of submissions. No, What I am hoping that we can accomplish is a return to the enjoyable shitstorm that is /lit/. Fuck editor drama, this should be about authors

Thank you all, now I for one am going straight to bed.

[Anonymous No.2785444]

>>2785418
>crappy
3/10
Not worth anymore rage.
A physical magazine doesnt make it a good magazine. Sounds like your talking out of your ass. But hell I've had them published in a few state magazines and contests so fuck off. Most everyone responds. Even if it's a basic - "thank you, but please fuck off"

[Anonymous No.2785449]

>>2785441

This is a conclusion I am happy with.

[Anonymous No.2785455]

>>2785425
Thats more then nothing. I don't care if they send a form letter. They send something though. And basically my point remains. The coldest most mechanical style of rejection is better than waiting to read the magazine to find out.

[Anonymous No.2785463]

>>2785455
I can honestly say that you've never applied for TAR. They answer within a day.

Thanks for your submission... etc.

And everytime i've submitted a question they have answered me in a likewise manner.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2785469]

-Okay I lied last response I swear. This deserves responding to

>>2785420
I think there is always a place for quality control. I don't want to force-feed anybody shit. But at the same time, I feel we can strike a compromise here. I have no problem skimming the bottom of the barrel if need be, I just want TAR to be a /lit/ organization and have the majority of posts from it.

I have always tried to be very sensitive to the desires of /lit/. If the idea seems to be working and we're all having fun, great. If not I guess we will have to tighten things up. What I don't want however, is perfectly well written content like blueberry girl getting thrown out because it happens to be as provocative. Let /lit/ be the judge of my validity for this. Now I REALLY AM going to bed

[Anonymous No.2785475]

>>2785441
>no more expansion
>no more quality control

>"fun"
>"all of /lit/'s writers"

So basically you just want to redirect all the amateur writing on /lit/ into a zine. 0/10 not interested in the least.

[Anonymous No.2785481]

>They literally receive thousands of submissions every year. If you think they read them all and get back to all authors you're just stupid.

This is the dumbest thing I've read all day. Trust me my boss made me read every poem. I had to give everything a chance. So much of it is shit that you won't believe. I got to the second line and I'd know if it was worth it or not. Pretty much would only stop reading if the poem was just long and too god awful. Most sites either have editors that read part or all depending on how gay the boss is. But you always do new that figurehead. Just saying.

[Anonymous No.2785484]

>>2785463
They did that when Prole was the boss bro.

[Anonymous No.2785487]

>>2785475
Pretty sure he mentions quality control still has a place

[Anonymous No.2785490]

Holy shit this thread.

Don't care about editor drama, but TAR has as a publication become much better in the last few issues. Yeah, it's different than ZWG and there being a few genuinely good things in midst of shit, but that's hardly a bad thing.

Consistent length of issues, quality stories and the clean design are all great, don't throw any of that away.

[Anonymous No.2785493]

>>2785475
This. The magazine was actually starting to get good a few months back.

You need to understand that when you accept 90% of what's submitted to TAR, it is an insult to the time and efforts of your readers. So many people were saying that they like TAR's direction, and now you want it to regress into a joke of a magazine? Why?

Nobody wants to read TAR if it's got such a high acceptance rate, because we can read any number of shit here, on /lit/. We don't need your magazine to read some shit. Understand?

[Anonymous No.2785497]

But Blueberry Girl wasn't thrown out.

Troll harder Prole.
1/10

[Anonymous No.2785498]

>>2785469

More blueberry girl. I'm so happy right now.

[Anonymous No.2785511]

Old TAR
>Prole was cool as shit
>Funny stories
>Pithy Poetry
>Writing was okay, sometimes great, sometimes meh

New TAR
>Pretty fucking sweet stories
>Faggot poetry
>better writing
>weird submission standards

[Anonymous No.2785514]

whoever keeps going "Oh you shouldn't expect an answer hurp durp REAL magazines don't do that - this is like SUPER EXCLUSIVE" is an idiot and I really hope he's one of the editors, or ex-editors, or whatever. There's a boundary between quality control and being shitheads.

[Anonymous No.2785526]

>>2785484
I've submitted about half a dozen times over a few months and always received very quick responses. From all the editors. I've never had any trouble or complaints.

>>2785493
Agreeing with you in turn.

I wouldn't submit to what Prole wants TAR to be. I didn't submit to TAR in the first few months, either. People want to feel that being accepted actually has some modicum of value. If all the submissions come from /lit/ the quality is piss poor and we all know that. Expanding is the best thing TAR ever did for itself.

I've been following this project and participating in threads since before this shit had a name. I care about TAR and I want it to be all it can be. It should include /lit/ and 4chan in its resources, but it should not be the pet of this board.

Prole, man, I can imagine how frustrating it must be to see the thing you nursed and worked hard on for over a year being transformed into something you don't want it to be. I know you want to take control of what you see as your project and 'give it back' to /lit/.

But that's not what's best for TAR - the editors, the readership, the contributors. You did a lot to raise this zine, but it's coming into its own and not living up to your expectations. Like your child that's growing up and being influenced by people you don't agree with and becoming somebody you never expected them to become. But like a good parent, you have to separate yourself from your child and realize that what you think is best might not actually be best. TAR doesn't belong to you - it belongs to everyone who participates and enjoys it. A lot of people are pulling for the direction it's been going in. It's not pleasant, but I think you're wrong to do this.

[Anonymous No.2785528]

>>2785514

>and I really hope he's one of the editors, or ex-editors, or whatever

Of course he is.

[Anonymous No.2785533]

>>2785493
This again. I think most of us liked the new direction of the magazine, dont throw it all away. Quality control is good, I trusted TAR to filter all the shit and give me a few decent pages that came out of /lit/.

I don't know if it's Prole or the Swedish+Beijing, but whoever keeps up the direction TAR had the last few months will get my vote.

[Anonymous No.2785541]

>>2775514
It's pretty fuckin' obnoxious when people say "BUT YOU'RE NOT BEING CONSTRUCTIVE WITH YOUR CRITICISM"

Are you doing a shitton of work? Certainly.
Are you contributing to the community? Absolutely.

But don't expect us to act any differently than we always do. Maybe /lit/'s complaints are or aren't valid, but you might be able to glean something useful from it, rather than acting as if we complain for no reason.

[Anonymous No.2785545]

>>2785541
Yeah, he was totally being a little bitch in that post. Probably just misplaced frustration, looking at how this thread turned out.

[Anonymous No.2785550]

>>2785541

Wow. Thinks for linking that post in this mess, that's a classic. He's seriously getting mad about these things on 4chan. These guys are such bitches.

[Anonymous No.2785552]

>>2785545

This whole fucking thread is misplaced frustration.

[Anonymous No.2785556]

As for any of your future magazines, whatever happens, you guys should have more than one editor for each section, otherwise you end up with one editors' tastes shining through on whatever section he's in charge of, that could be good, but it sucks for whoever writes good shit that's not the flavour of the editor.

[Anonymous No.2785558]

>>2785526
Half a dozen times.

You must have been rejected a lot.

[Anonymous No.2785567]

>>2785526
I dunno. I honestly believe that 4chan, and by extension /lit/ is one of the most interesting/productive forums on the internet, and that there is something unique that could be offered by a /lit/ specific zine.

Whether or not TAR should serve this purpose is another issue entirely.

[Anonymous No.2785575]

The new site should be call RAT and they will be bizarro TAR.

[Anonymous No.2785601]

>>2785558
4-5 pieces published, rejected 1-3 times, I think. I can't remember clearly.

[Anonymous No.2785607]

Been a while since I came to /lit/ or picked up a gRAwTz. It looks a royal fuckton better. Thumbs up to Princess Layout or whoever. I'm almost tempted to try reading it.

[Anonymous No.2785608]

>>2785607
Give it a shot. It's not great, but it's a hell of a lot better than before.

[beijing_wild !qSwdzbz3lA No.2785612]

>>2785550
If you cared to read the post before, to which this post was a continuation...out of context, it sounds like Stalin. In context, it's just your typical poetry macho opinion.

[Anonymous No.2785620]

>>2785567
4chan is crazy interesting, I agree. But there just isn't enough interest here to fully furnish / warrant a zine. Pre-expansion TAR supports this. Including /lit/ and 4chan as (one of) the main pool(s) of contributors is good enough, I say.

[Anonymous No.2785624]

>>2785550
why, /lit/ is not your personal homogenous army. go join a sect.

[Anonymous No.2785654]

>>2785624

hahah what

[Anonymous No.2785704]

Such gayness.

[Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ No.2785720]

>>2785541
>Are you contributing to the community? Absolutely.

Is this guy serious. I never see TAR people on /lit/ being part of the community, like ever, except for tar threads. Except for wildweatard but fuck him. I don't think I ever saw them on ye olde lit tinychats. I don't see why you would want to have a community zine when you're not even regularly involved in it. And by that I mean, when you are not making identifiable interesting, informative posts in threads on /lit/ or starting them. Like, if there is anything you need to do to develop a relationship, good or bad, with a community like /lit/'s it's that.

[Anonymous No.2785732]

>>2785720
maybe they don't post with their trips, like you do.

[Deep&Edgy !UfFKGtFx2M!!/0aWHODYBc0 No.2785740]

>>2785732
>identifiable interesting, informative posts
>identifiable

I didn't get to be Deep&Edgy by posting anonymously

[Anonymous No.2785857]

>>2785740
They don't have to be identifiable. You're just an attentionwhore cunt.

[Deep&Edgy !UfFKGtFx2M!!/0aWHODYBc0 No.2786002]

>>2785857
And you're just some nobody whose opinion I don't care about :3

[Anonymous No.2786214]

I recently had a piece published in TAR. It received almost unanimous praise and I decided to submit it elsewhere (as TAR comes in PDF format they will never be able to google check and know!). It was accepted, and I'm also nominated for a literary prize of a couple hundred bucks.

I tell you this because it's evidence that the quality of prose in TAR, at least of late, rivals other 'decent' magazines. In fact it's a whole lot fucking better than some. Prole, I think you should accept the growth of your e-zine (why am I so jaded against that word? reminds me of weeaboos or some shit) and let it slowly detach from /lit/. It has potential and you need to see that. There's no chance for it to ever be a respectable thing while it's still associated with 4chan.

[Anonymous No.2786242]

>Some major drama today. I have no doubt this will influence the future progression of the TAR. Editors Peter Olofsson and Martin have left the organization as a result of longstanding feuding. While they were both talented workers, they were also completely elitist in methodology. Rather than follow the path of relentless professionalism they desired, TAR will seek to return to the community organization roots from which it spring.

This ends my affiliation with TAR, I think. I'm really fucking sad about it, because I enjoyed the relentless quest for professionalism. It inspired me to try harder and rise with the zine.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2786327]

*a wild prole returns*

Sorry about that folks, I realize now that this has basically been left unfinished. I left in a good mood, only to realize sadly that despite liberation from the bullshit most things have not been resolved at all. So, taking it from the top: Responses to peter/martin and their complaints.

>And i've yet to see Prole proofread, have any deeper contact with authors, do line-editing, homepage updates, detail / layout design etc..
the email was a shitpile of refuge flying left and right. It was pointless to try communicating with authors somebody else was always butting in to take over. Earlier on I used to deal with this much more orderly. As for these other things, Peter/Martin had essentially cornered them due to their technocratic claims. Neither asked me to help. Late on I actually did make motions to assist in this, they rebutted me with these same arguments. These two have actually created the problems that they then try to blame me for.

>He usually comes with selection choices on Prose. He's never read the poetry or even suggested something in that area.
I had intentionally left poetry to Martin because I believed him most competent. There was never any complaint about this, on the contrary Peter himself rarely ever suggested poetry

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2786331]

>He believes that TAR should be a strict 4chan product and that most entries should be added.
This is for the most part true, and the basis of what I believe needs to be fixed. If you look up the post responses to these threads starting from issue 1, you will see that very gradually their number has declined. I believe this is related to the fact that we no longer accept most authors, therefore alienating the population from interest in TAR. TAR needs to be an author-community, any boy and their dog can look up a compendium of short stories far superior to ours in ten seconds on the internet.


>He believes that all material should be used in one issue because stockpiling material to ensure quality is bad and insulting to the authors.
This was true, I generally believed stockpiling an irrelevant practice. But not for the reasons he states. It created an organizational backlist of people who expected to get in for the next issue but whoem I could not ultimately promise this for.

>All he's done is to answer shit and act high and mighty in TAR threads.
Which is a function. You might want to notice how atrocious Peter is at communicating. This is not all I have done either

>This issue was known with the previous editor who told us Prole was absent for three months basically before we came along.
This is the editor who later got funneled out by these people, Matthew. I was absent for one month. My interest in TAR had been diminishing during this period.

[Prole !!V4LwvRNiaYz No.2786338]

>Anyway, I wont be bothered. Me and Martin has been talking about this for a long time since Prole is totally impossible to work with.
What you're not seeing here is that Peter and Martin are just as unreasonable. I am "impossible" because I consistently challenged and made suggestions of my own.

>He got one task. The anthology, where work has begun just now because other editors got involved.
Another thing that is portrayed incorrectly. Because I was essentially the only one respecting the concept of majority vote, I selected pieces I saw as good and asked for approval from the other editors (Martin, Peter). I never got approval, despite asking several times. In the end I only the arrival of new people to TAR let me get this

>He bitches. That's what Prole do.
in other words, I actually reply and question what Peter/Martin do. This is actually a major reason for division between us.

>And prole, editors having a comments section is not bad. We use our judgment for the selection and in a transparent community the readers should be able to partake in that decisionmaking
Wait until you see the shitstorm, buddy. Just like what happened the last time we did it. The problem with peter is that in the end he doesn't really respect anything other than his own overexaggerated sense of professional ego. Basically, it is impossible to get him to stop doing something even if it has already shown severe problems

[Anonymous No.2786757]

>>2786327
>>2786331
>>2786338
Wowsers... My sentiments just revolved 180 degrees.

[Anonymous No.2786883]

>>2786214
hey, what was the piece you published? Interested in reading it.

[Anonymous No.2786941]

>>2786883

i won't be specific but it was in the issue before the current one.

[Anonymous No.2786942]

>>2786883
>>2786941

ill also mention that TAR published a severely unedited version of it for some reason

[Anonymous No.2786967]

>>2786942
My interest is piqued. What was it's name.

[Anonymous No.2786995]

>>2786967

i'm not telling because of your grammar

[Anonymous No.2787021]

>>2786995
M-my fingers just slipped man, t-they just slipped, You should have seen it. I didn't mean it.
They just slipped man.

[Anonymous No.2787026]

>>2786995
>No capitalization.
>No full stop.
>Correcting others.

[Anonymous No.2787030]

>>2787026

i didnt correct anyone

[Anonymous No.2787047]

Wow, This thread is The TARtanic