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2753215 No.2753215 [Reply] [Original]

Lets discuss the Sonnet

What do you think about it?

Do you write Sonnets? Why?

Petrachan or English?

What rhyme schemes do you use?

>> No.2753226

It's so hard to write good sonnets. Rustles my jimmies.

>> No.2753299

>>2753226
Hard in what sense?

>> No.2753306

Hard like the penis of a pedophile in a public swimming pool.

>> No.2753313
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Was working on a sonnet today. I don't write all that much, but sometimes I choose the sonnet form.

I like the Petrarchan: abbaabba cdeedc. Something nice about the bigger octet weighing down on the smaller sestet. Sexy.

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>>2753306
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>> No.2753839

>>2753313
isnt the petrarchan rhyme sheme too muc to do it in english?

>> No.2753856

Honestly, sonnets are pretty much my favourite form of poem to write in. Quick little bites of great poetry, I just love it. If you're writing in english though, shakespearean rhyme scheme is a lot better than petrarchan. More natural and doesn't sound as contrived.

In fact, here's a sonnet I wrote:


To the Fog

I wish to see beyond the fog
That rises from the mountains as of late.
Dost thou hide Cascadian treasures?
Or piece of mind, Heaven’s other gate?
Allow me but a taste of thy soulful dance
To breathe in the sweet fragrance of foresight
And trace my finger along mountainous maps
So I may travel, assured, forthwith and forthright
Yet all would be revealed, my ethereal friend,
Simply should I decide to climb on High
Through roaring rivers and the death they could send
King of each peak, even Delphi, would be I!
Though with eagles through you I’d like to tread
I think I’ll stay stuck on this bus instead

>> No.2753868

>>2753856
notbad.jpeg

The bathos at the end is charming. I can't help but roll my eyes when I read "Dost thou" and so on in 21st century poems, but I guess it contributes to the anti-climax of the whole thing. I sort of wish the metre was neater but I still like it.

>> No.2753934

>>2753868
Dost thou was put there on purpose, archaic writing fromt he time of North american exploration. I was riding on the bus from Vancouver to get home in kelowna, and I wanted to get that in there.

Pardon my plebness, but what do you mean by bathos?

>> No.2753937

>>2753934
nevermind, googled it. Oh, and thank you.

>> No.2753938

>>2753934
It's like a witty anti-climax. Eg you have a quite grand sounding poem, ending on a comment about being on a bus.

>> No.2753941

>>2753856

Your meter sucks you sonnet sissy!

>> No.2753983

>>2753941

Oh god my ego is bruised. I'm very much damaged right now. It's my poetry, I know it's messy, I wrote it in half an hour. I like it how it is.

>> No.2753985

Petrarchan master race reporting in

I actually dont have an stabilished rhyme scheme, I made up one as I go and some times I only use rhyme for one half of the piece

I also have been working with having two rhyme schemes at once

>> No.2754031

>>2753983

To be more specific, you start out with iambic, then suddenly in line three or four, you start in with trochaic. Several of your lines end mid-foot, which is awful. I think there might even be a foot or two of dactylic meter.

>> No.2754079

>>2753868
>>2753938
This guy again. Just thought I'd share my thoughts on your meter.

The first line is perfect iambic tetrameter. You want pentameter for a sonnet, really. Second line is perfect. Third line, back to tetrameter again.

Now, I'm not the kind of guy who thinks that a sonnet needs to be metrically perfect. But if you're going to be loose, don't make it sound like a car crash. Invert a foot here and there. Prune a syllable. It's fine, do it. But hang these changes around the framework of iambic pentameter as you make them. Make sure it flows still. Here's a loose sonnet by Dylan Thomas for your perusal:


Lie still, sleep becalmed, sufferer with the wound
In the throat, burning and turning. All night afloat
On the silent sea we have heard the sound
That came from the wound wrapped in the salt sheet.

Under the mile off moon we trembled listening
To the sea sound flowing like blood from the loud wound
And when the salt sheet broke in a storm of singing
The voices of all the drowned swam on the wind.

Open a pathway through the slow sad sail,
Throw wide to the wind the gates of the wandering boat
For my voyage to begin to the end of my wound,
We heard the sea sound sing, we saw the salt sheet tell.
Lie still, sleep becalmed, hide the mouth in the throat,
Or we shall obey, and ride with you through the drowned.

>> No.2754100

I used to write bad sonnets about Zyzz and Rippetoe on /fit/ to make fun of the people who deified them on that board. It's hard for me to take something that formal seriously. I might write some if I'm ever trying to bang an "artsy" girl who is less educated than me.

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>> No.2754162

>>2754129

What part of that is unclear?

>> No.2754167

>>2754100
Do you remember any of them? I'd read a sonnet about Zyzz.

>> No.2754210

>>2754167

No. This was before he died and they were all 15 minute throwaways. Never saved them. I probably wrote like 7-10 though.

>> No.2754281

>>2754162
anything that goes on /fit/ is unknown to me

>> No.2754661

bump