/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.2749236]

Sade, Justine.

[Anonymous No.2749239]

Sade, Juliette

[Benny Profane !!muO1YE/mn/J No.2749241]

I assume you meant to post this in that other thread about classics, but I'll just say I finished it a little while ago and absolutely loved it. It was a great deal better than I expected, his prose (although in translation) was incredible, and it's pretty interesting hearing him out when he goes on his philosophical tangents. It's probably the only work of erotic fiction I've read, and I definitely want to check out more of his stuff, 120 Days of Sodom in particular

[Anonymous No.2749393]

>>2749241
120 is his least interesting work. If you've read Justine then Juliette might be refreshing, since the main character is Justine's sister and a glorious libertine.

Philosophy in the Bedroom is also great, in part because one of the characters reads from a pamplet at one point in which a sort of Libertine Republicanism is espoused. Sade speaks of acceptance of different sexualities, government regulated brothels and more interesting stuff. It seems almost wholesome and it's a pleasant change from the aristocratic Social Darwinism (avant la lettre, I suppose) he espouses in other works.

There's also somewhat of a feminist streak to the book, as a young girl gets thought that the boundaries of marriage are nonsense and that she should seek to take what she wants out of life. They also teach her about contraception, how the female body works and how to pleasure herself. It's all great stuff, and much more reasonable than his other works. Of course, it's still filled with great Sadean smut and absurdities.

[Benny Profane !!muO1YE/mn/J No.2749422]

>>2749393

I haven't heard much about Juliette, though doubtless I'd be interested in reading it, her character wasn't explored in too much depth in Justine, save as a contrast to the title character.

Philosophy in the Bedroom sounds like what I'm looking for, if for nothing else than to see how he expands on the ideas he touches on in Justine, it'd be interesting to see a broader approach to his philosophy at large, rather than the moralizing he seems often to be doing in the aforementioned work.

>There's also somewhat of a feminist streak to the book

My interest is piqued. Justine seemed largely, if not wholly, misogynistic, inasmuch as he seems to defend the notion that men should be granted the ability to seek pleasure at the cost of the virtue and the happiness of women, who are to be used as vehicles for their satiety. Though perhaps his idea is that the stronger are innately disposed to prey upon the weaker, and this isn't necessarily gender-based, and I'd like to see how he approaches this idea from a female perspective.

I'll definitely be looking into the rest of his stuff, he seems on first impression to have a mastery of balancing the erotic segments of his work (which are fascinating and beyond boner-worthy) and the philosophic dialogues his characters have, which are just as interesting and doubtless unique for the time he was writing in.

Thanks for the infograph and the recs, by the way. I have some reading to do.

[Anonymous No.2749878]

>>2749393
>120 is his least interesting work
Fuck you.

[Anonymous No.2749905]

An argument could be made that Sade's Juliette is the ultimate novel of novels that destroyed literature forever

Or maybe it's just that I can't read any other books now after reading it.

Nothing can compare to the soul-rattling slow crescendo of evil and madness that is Juliette

[Anonymous No.2749942]

>>2749905

Destroyed literature forever? What the fuck are you talking about? Juliette is repetitive and boring. It doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to come up whit evil shit.

Fucking, torture, murder, dull philosophical discussions. Repeat for ~1200 pages. The end.

[Anonymous No.2749951]

>>2749942
2deep4u

[Anonymous No.2749957]

>>2749878
Guessing you only read it because of word of mouth describing it being, omg so brutal~.

You read Sade for the wrong reasons.

[Anonymous No.2749986]

>>2749942
>book is long therefore repetitive and boring

confirmed for adhd comic book reading moron

[Anonymous No.2750011]

>>2749986

I found the book to be shallow, both in terms of the story, and it's philosophy. You're endlessly fascinated by repetitive descriptions of sex and violence. Yeah, I'm the moron.

[Anonymous No.2750016]

Why does every discussion have to end in personal insults?

I'm interested in Sade's books, I never read anything by hm and I'm curious. I'd like to know the themes his novels deal with (other than libertinism, I guess).

Do the books make an interesting read or are they all about torture and orgies like some people suggest?

[Anonymous No.2750018]

>>2750011
Putain, qu'est-ce que tu viens de dire sur moi, espèce de petite pute ? Je te ferai dire que je suis sorti premier de ma division à l'Ecole Navale, que j'ai participé à de nombreuses opérations secrètes en Afghanistan, et que j'ai plus 300 morts à mon actif. Je suis entraîné en combat simiesque et je suis le meilleur sniper de toute l'armée française. Tu n'es rien d'autre qu'une nouvelle cible pour moi. Je vais t'exterminer ta race avec une précision telle qui n'aura jamais été observée sur Terre, retiens bien ça. Tu crois que tu peux me dire de la merde comme ça sur Internet et t'en tirer ? Réfléchis-y à deux fois, connard. Pendant qu'on parle, je suis en train de contacter mon réseau secret d'espions à travers la France et ton IP est en train de se faire tracer en ce moment même, alors tu ferais bien de te préparer à la tempête, nabot. La tempête qui va balayer cette petite chose pathétique que tu appelles ta vie. T'es mort, gamin. Je peux être n'importe où, à n'importe quel moment, et je peux te tuer de plus de sept cent façons, et ce rien qu'avec mes mains. Non seulement j'ai été entraîné de façon extensive en combat à mains nues, mais j'ai également accès à l'arsenal entier de la Légion étrangère et je vais l'utiliser pleinement pour supprimer ton petit cul de ce continent, espèce de petite merde. Si seulement tu avais su la fureur épouvantable que ton petit commentaire malin allait t'attirer, tu aurais peut-être tenu ta putain de langue. Mais tu n'en étais pas capable, tu ne l'as pas fait et maintenant tu vas en payer le prix, espèce d'abruti. Je vais te chier ma colère dessus et tu vas t'y noyer. Tu vas crever, gamin.

[Anonymous No.2750028]

>>2750011
it's like deriding an appreciator of Shakespeare for being endlessly fascinated by profound, original statements about everything.

There is art in every perversion, comic genius in every violation.

You have to get past your moral outrage to see it

[Anonymous No.2750033]

Can someone provide a link for a pdf? Either in French or in English, I don't mind.

[Anonymous No.2750035]

>>2750028

Where did I say anything about moral outrage? I read Juliette with a massive fucking erection. It's fine pornography. I just objected to the idea that no other work of literature could hold a candle to the fucking thing.

[Anonymous No.2750044]

>>2750035

did you maintain your erection through the long passages of philosophical dialogue?

No.

It's not simply a work of pornography

and that disappointed you

and led you to your erroneous judgment

again, your moral outrage is evident

[Anonymous No.2750066]

>>2750044

I bought it for the philosophy. I stayed for the pornography. The philosophical passages just weren't that interesting. The pornographic ones were somewhat interesting (in small doses). How does any of this sound like moral outrage?

[Anonymous No.2750125]

>>2750018
Fucking hilarious, my french is a little rusty so when I read the first sentence it took me a second to recognize what you were on about...