How do you get over babby's first existential crisis?

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Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:17:16 2012 No.2733884 [Reply] [Original]

How do you get over babby's first existential crisis?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:18:16 2012 No.2733886 Read the Tao Te Ching.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:19:16 2012 No.2733888 Read more. Write more. Find a girl and make sweet love to her. Embrace the beauty that there is around you, however fleeting, however meaningless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:21:16 2012 No.2733890 >>2733888 >implying fleeting beauty is meaningless

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:22:16 2012 No.2733893 Plunge into your mind's darkness. Read and write haiku. Watch Majid Majidi and Iranian movies. Realize that the point of life is to live. Realize the crisis isn't about your existence, but your world-view. Silence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:23:17 2012 No.2733895 File: 8 KB, 250x250, albert-camus.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Be real son.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:27:16 2012 No.2733904 >>2733890 I don't think that personally, but I fear it might be where OP's at.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:27:16 2012 No.2733905 File: 930 KB, 200x133, 1332502764636.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2733895

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:28:17 2012 No.2733910 dropped out of high school, did too many drugs, and lived in squalor for a few months. now im a sophomore at a good east coast liberal arts school. everythingwentbetterthanexpected.jpg

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:31:17 2012 No.2733914 Study some better philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:31:17 2012 No.2733916 >>2733910 im on the east coast too. where you at?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:34:17 2012 No.2733918 File: 356 KB, 716x336, Screen Shot 2012-06-18 at 8.34.00 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wonder what they called existential crises before there was existentialism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:34:17 2012 No.2733920 >>2733895 >tfw you're per-preist Meursault How do I stop being such a stoic fuck /lit/?

>>	Malt !FReezeOMmA Mon Jun 18 23:34:17 2012 No.2733921 You move on to 11th grade

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:38:16 2012 No.2733924 >>2733918 They didn't exist/were extremely rare because no one was an atheist back then.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:40:17 2012 No.2733927 File: 1.58 MB, 225x169, 1339844206515.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2733921 > Nietzsche > The Downward Spiral > Donnie Darko Check, check and check. This gun b gud.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:40:17 2012 No.2733928 >>2733918 Dark night of the soul

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 18 23:45:16 2012 No.2733939 >>2733918 You are being naive to think that English is logical.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:00:17 2012 No.2733968 >>2733927 >dat gif I feel... disturbed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:02:19 2012 No.2733972 >>2733939 I know she knows That I"M NOT FOND OF ASSSKIIIINNNNGG

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:05:16 2012 No.2733976

If you're truly feeling existential, would you really be bothered by the meaningless? In other words, it doesn't matter that things don't matter.

But, rather than trying to think you're way out, just do stuff. Move your body. Do something. Feel the warm sun on your skin.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:06:16 2012 No.2733980 >>2733976 *your Also, "babby's first existential crisis" made me chuckle. Internet, sometimes you are funny.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:11:17 2012 No.2733992 File: 247 KB, 1372x914, 1339798402364.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Stop being a faggot

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:30:17 2012 No.2734026 >>2733992 Telling a girl that the Universe has been around for billenia and then dancing in the middle of a restaurant? That is the faggliest thing I've ever read.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:33:16 2012 No.2734031

>>2733992
this is the dumbest fucking thing i have ever fucking read, and if you thought this was meaningful, you should fucking kill yourself or at least disabuse yourself of the notion that you have any meaningful insight into the human condition. holy fuckin' shit

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:36:16 2012 No.2734036 >>2734026 >>2734031 That guy's going to read our posts and then feel terrible, and then extra terrible because feeling terrible undermines his picture.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:38:16 2012 No.2734039 >>2734031 Care to explain why is dumb?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:41:17 2012 No.2734048 >>2733924 >implying existential crisis are unique to atheists

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:43:16 2012 No.2734053 I guess just realize while most of the time your life won't affect anything in the long run, its up to you to enjoy it and make it worthwhile.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:44:16 2012 No.2734055

>>2734039
like, the first part is dumb because, however colossal the scale of the universe is, we're still sentient beings with our own embodied perspective and by our nature our own concern and involvement with the world. that kind of detachment is not really possible for human beings, and saying that "people who are angry about things are stupid because ultimately all human things are insignificant" is really stupid.

the rest of that is just the most fucking stupid teenage bullshit in the fucking world that i don't know what to say, if you don't get why it's cringeworthy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:47:17 2012 No.2734061 >>2733924 >No atheist back then That's a huge generalization don't you think?

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 00:57:17 2012 No.2734080

>>2733924

You realize existentialism first grew out of Christian/Catholic/Orthodox philosophy, through the likes of Kierkegaard or Dostoyevsky and so on.

To say there were no atheists back then is retarded. Ever read Descartes? All kinds of his work deals with it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:00:16 2012 No.2734084 the only thing you can do is work hard, nothing else helps, well i guess you could become a major druggy or something

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:01:16 2012 No.2734085

>>2734039

it thinks the reason that we are so worried about this question of meaning in our lives is the same reason we wonder what our place in the universe is. we ask what our lives mean not in the grand universal scale where every action is insignificant, but in the local sphere of the here where i live and now when i live. the existential crisis is not "why should exist at all?" but "why should i exist right now?"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:05:16 2012 No.2734096 >>2734080 His work deals with it but affirms the divine for ridiculous reasons. There is no good reason to be a dualist anymore.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:07:16 2012 No.2734100

Existentialism is nothing more then a biologically programmed narcissistic slightly evolved ape whos entire world view revolved around them being the only thing that mattered in the entire universe being confronted with the evidence that they are 100% irrelevant.

also, Sophism is the ultimate form of narcissism and Sophists are therefore the most "vulnerable" to existentialism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:07:16 2012 No.2734101 >>2733884 Start reading American Pragmatist philosophers. Get rid of the drive for correspondence truth and learn to accept coherence truth. I recommend Pierce, Dewey, James, and Rorty.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:26:16 2012 No.2734125

Most of the people who 'get over' what you're talking about either enter a delusional state where they act like a positivist and follow the "do whatever makes you happy (happiness is an unachievable construct, obviously" path, regardless of how they actually see things now, or, they go into denial and begin rejecting the basic premises that got them into the crisis in the first place. People who shrug this stuff off as teenage angst or some other catch-all buzzword are pitiful and deserving of neither time nor respect. Have a nice life, faggots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:28:17 2012 No.2734128 I went full solipsism and killed my wife and daughter. Now I just do whatever occurs to me and treat others exactly as they are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:36:16 2012 No.2734143 >>2734125 i think most people realize what a useless exercise in despair it is and come out of it to start living instead of clinging onto the question of why they should start living

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:39:16 2012 No.2734149 >>2734143 No, they just fall into mediocrity and normalfaggotry.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:41:16 2012 No.2734153
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Despite everything being completely pointless, i still find the ability to laugh. I just think "Hey, I'm experiencing my life, i might as well live the best i can". Because when you're dead, you're dead. There's no reason to think what's going to happen when you're dead, because you will be dead. The feeling never really goes away, but it gets better. People say "don't think about it", but i think there's some peace in oblivion. This dread is your higher brain function conflicting with your lower brain function. It's a blessing and a curse, its the only reason you do anything. It's the only reason humans plan and build things, and save for the future.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:45:16 2012 No.2734159 >>2734125 >happiness is an unachievable construct, obviously Please, elaborate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:48:17 2012 No.2734164 >>2733884 ITT: edgy teens

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:50:16 2012 No.2734170 >>2734164 An "edgy teen" wouldn't be asking how to get over it, but would be telling anyone who wasn't going through it that they're wrong. See >>2734125

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:51:16 2012 No.2734174 >>2734159 It should be obvious. Voltaire, Goethe, Schopenhauer, Cioran, Mishima, etc. etc. offer countless examples of the impossibility of happiness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:54:16 2012 No.2734184 >>2734174 I'm happy. Please, explain to me what makes happiness impossible, and me delusional.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:55:16 2012 No.2734186 >>2734184 Same, I'm happy. >>2734174 Please elaborate on why our state is false.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:55:16 2012 No.2734187 >>2734184 uhh you're not 17 and therefore just don't ~~~understand~~~ the eternal truths of the human condition as expressed in old smiths lyrics

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:57:17 2012 No.2734192 >>2734170 >>2734164 This always gets a stir in my, I'm not even sure why because I'm not a teenager nor in the middle of a crisis. What does "edgy" mean, exactly? Is it another useless word like "hipster"? I thought better of you, /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:58:17 2012 No.2734195 >>2734187 I hope you aren't dissin' the Smiths.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:58:17 2012 No.2734196 >>2734192 Words like 'edgy' 'hipster' and 'pleb' are used to insult without providing argument. They're for cowards and asshats.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:59:16 2012 No.2734199 >>2734198 I've read Voltaire. Agreed with most of what he says. Still pretty happy. Read Schopenhauer. Disagreed with a lot of it. Will read the rest at some point. Thanks. Get some rest, anon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 01:59:17 2012 No.2734198 >>2734184 Shit, I'm not saying they're right. Look... it's late and I'm fucking tired... and I'm not even depressed to begin with. So... my advice to you is to read the authors I've just mentioned.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:00:16 2012 No.2734202

HOLY SHIT THERE ARE KIDS IN /LIT/ WHO STILL THINK HAPPINESS EXISTS. HAHHAHAAA. THE MOST INTELLECTUALLY PRETENTIOUS BOARD THINKS HAPPINESS EXISTS OHHH GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD THIS IS FANTASTIC.

did you guys not pass grade 10 psych, and don't possess any critical thinking skills at all? Honestly, if you're in an existential thread it would follow that you're at least loosely familiar with some of the concepts, one of the most basic being the impossibility of happiness. READ A FUCKING BOOK, /LIT/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:00:16 2012 No.2734203 >>2734195 no the smiths are fucking great

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:01:17 2012 No.2734205 >>2734202 How is the state of happiness I currently enjoy impossible?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:02:17 2012 No.2734207 >>2734205 ummmmm because you're ignorant? and psychology? have you ever even read a book... suhc an ignorant person thinking you are happy... smh

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:02:17 2012 No.2734209 >>2734207 Nice argument, pal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:03:17 2012 No.2734210 So, has no one ITT read Camus' "The Rebel?"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:03:17 2012 No.2734216 >>2734203 Okay, cool. I'm gonna go listen to The Queen is Dead and be happy some more. Peace, everybody.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:05:16 2012 No.2734222

Why does existentialism get such a bad rap on /lit/? What's wrong with someone coming to the conclusion that life is meaningless and then trying to give themselves some kind of purpose?

I'm 24 years old. I'd never given much thought to the meaning of life until relatively recently. I've since been trying to mark out my own path in life. Yet every time I have tried to talk about it I've been shut down and brushed aside as some edgy teenager or something like that.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:05:16 2012 No.2734223

>>2734184

Hi, I'm the guy that originally posted the post you responded to. It's pretty basic behavioural neuroscience that happiness is a human construct that does not exist in nature. It is unachiavble because of its very definition. It is perfectly possible to be content, satisfied, experiencing pleasure, or be joyful, but none of these are happiness and I think you are likely confusing one for the other. I'm sorry you had to hear it from me, pal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:05:17 2012 No.2734219 >>2734199 Then go into freud and lacan and learn about your ego is always in a state of confilct regarding desire. Humans are not meant to be happy. It is not in our evolutionary interest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:06:16 2012 No.2734224 >>2734219 Many things I do aren't in the interest of my evolution. So what?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:06:16 2012 No.2734226 >>2734223 If none of those are happiness, then what is?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:06:16 2012 No.2734227 >>2734223 lol >yeah, sure, you can be content, in a state of bliss, and experience pleasure. but you can't be happy. none of those things are happiness. because i said so. owned, bitch lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:08:16 2012 No.2734230 >>2734224 You sure about that? Theory suggests that all thinkable thoughts are within our evolutionary niche. Outside our niche is ineffable.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:11:16 2012 No.2734239

>>2734223
Then I am content to be satisfied and joyful, and experience pleasure at times, and those things cause me to want to help others to achieve such a state as well. I choose to call that "happiness," but if happiness is something else, then I just don't know what it is, and have been relatively happy (by my definition) thus far without it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:12:16 2012 No.2734245 >>2734100 I actually use solipsism as a way to escape the fear of knowing I'm going to die. Its quite comforting, knowing my reality dies with me

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:13:16 2012 No.2734248

>>2734227
>>2734226

Look, I'm not the one you should be asking answers of. I'm obviously no where near as articulate and knowledgeable in the area as the thinkers that have previously been reccomended to you by another Anon in this thread. If you wish to see more about it, read their works. I am not capable of changing your mind on an internet forum. You will either be interested enough to learn about it, or you can continue to live thinking happiness exists- neither of these outcomes will affect me at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:22:16 2012 No.2734274 >>2734248 Not the same person, but could you at least define "happiness" in the context in which you were using it when saying "happiness is impossible?"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:26:16 2012 No.2734292 >>2734230 What about serious suicidal thoughts? Or more to the point, suicidal action? The concious decision to 'pull the trigger' as it were, from an evolutionary standpoint is pretty counter-intuitive. Nothing against you, suicide-bros.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:27:16 2012 No.2734296

Im Andrea' ad live in michigan and im only 13 i play guitar and have a band we play heavy metal and call ourselves Bloody Massacre i play lead and im the one in the back screaming...
we also play screamo which is almost the same thing i enjoy wearing tutu's lmao only for fun and hanging out with freinds and i skateboard ALOT!.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:28:16 2012 No.2734300 Be conscious and intelligent enough to brush it off, I guess.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:29:16 2012 No.2734305

>>2734248
lol

>listen, all you people are just ignorant if you think happiness exists. you should read Books, which prove you Wrong.
>what, no, of course i can't defend this idea! you're all just too ignorant, unlike me, who knows this (despite being unable to defend it)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:29:16 2012 No.2734307 Basically stared at a wall for a few years

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:32:16 2012 No.2734317 >>2734245 Sophism is not the same as solipsism.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:34:17 2012 No.2734333

>>2734292

It is pretty easy to justify suicide as a rational from an evolutionary standpoint. Humans still have the mindset that was selected for before the neolithic revolution. They lived in hunter/gather societies and in extended kinship groups. When injured it is better to remove yourself from the equation than be a burden on your family network in terms of consuming resources without contributing labor.

Your genes still live on in the kinship group regardless if you do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:36:16 2012 No.2734338 >>2734305 >dem porjections Not even him, but your arguments are as bad as each-other. Just read the books, you're on /lit/ for fuck's sake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:37:16 2012 No.2734344 >>2734305 I only meant that is would be far more beneficial for them to read about it from an expert. Have fun living in your delusional little bubble though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:38:16 2012 No.2734346 Existentialism is actually for French people. I'll tell you exactly what you do. You read some god damn Americans. Emerson, Thoreau. Transcendentalism is the existentialism of America. It's literally all the same shit except without the babby crying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:38:16 2012 No.2734347 >>2734125 >positivist Where does this usage come from? Because to me a "positivist" is a logical positivist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:39:16 2012 No.2734354 >>2734346 >It's literally all the same shit except without the babby crying. also an accurate description of german existentialism tbf

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:41:17 2012 No.2734363 >>2734333 I meant from a modern perspective. There are plenty of wonderful, talented, intelligent people that killed themselves, surely evolutionary theory would want them sticking around?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:43:16 2012 No.2734370 >>2734202 Whatever, fag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:48:17 2012 No.2734389 >>2734363 >evolutionary theory That doesn't mean what you think it means. Group Selection doesn't exist.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 02:52:16 2012 No.2734403
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Fuck, I think I had my first existential crisis when I was 13.
I started looking into anything that thought it had an answer, which when you're a young teen at the edge of rural Georgia, isn't much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:01:16 2012 No.2734435 >>2734403 That picture is retarded in at least 9 ways.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:05:17 2012 No.2734450 >>2734435 List five.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:11:16 2012 No.2734472 >>2733884 Feel it, sense it, sniff it up, contemplate it, cry it, laugh it, snort it, love it, hate it, fundle it, and snuggle it, understand it, misunderstand it. Anything is what anything is perceived to be. What do you want anything to be?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:13:16 2012 No.2734478 >>2734450 I'm not your intellectual baby-sitter. Think critically about it. >inb4hurrItoldyouudidntknowlel

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:44:17 2012 No.2734537 >>2734403 man I remember when I was 13, thinking something along these lines, and thinking I was such a fucking genius children really are insufferable

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:46:16 2012 No.2734544 >>2734537 No, they aren't. Children are cute and it's nice to see young kids work out the problems of life for themselves.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:49:16 2012 No.2734551 File: 22 KB, 380x493, 1339758492038.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2734403

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:50:16 2012 No.2734554 >>2733992 the universe doesn't give a shit dude why should i give a shit about the universe

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:53:16 2012 No.2734558 >>2733992 Those pictures are such fucking nonsense, why are they always posted in EC threads?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:54:17 2012 No.2734560 Man up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 03:57:16 2012 No.2734566 >>2734544 except when they're arrogant and believe everything they say is right because they haven't bothered with any outside perspectives because they're "not right" i.e. "they don't agree with my ideas" /pol/ for example

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 04:06:16 2012 No.2734581 >>2734080 >You realize existentialism first grew out of Christian/Catholic/Orthodox philosophy Someone should read some of king Solomon's texts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 04:08:17 2012 No.2734583 >>2734478 >That picture is retarded in at least 9 ways. >List 5. >I can't. Why do existentialism threads attract so many pretentious assholes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 04:08:17 2012 No.2734585 >>2734560 1/10

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 04:10:17 2012 No.2734587 >>2734583 he inb4d that exact response and you did it anyway. you completely missed the point. get out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 04:13:17 2012 No.2734594 >>2734583 There's that word again. Why do so many people, ESPECIALLY on /lit/, not no what pretentious means? There's just something about that people can't seem to grasp. You're an idiot, good sir.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 04:28:17 2012 No.2734614 It just eventually goes away.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 04:28:17 2012 No.2734615

Begin building. You are not of the generation that built your sociaty, nor are you among the men who pulls the load of it. Join an expedition, a Ph.D project, write a book. Just do something.

It feels good, building. Becoming a man, deserving what society has to offer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 04:30:16 2012 No.2734617 >>2734615 >Ph.D project >building, becoming a man, deserving what society has to offer lol

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 04:40:16 2012 No.2734626

Honestly, the facts that you're going to die, that you have little choice over what actually happens in the world, and the fact that you can only hold yourself responsible for your own choices, will always be pressing matters upon any thoughtful person's mind. Even if you read a few books, or quite a lot of books in the case of some of us, it changes little. There's always something more you could've read, something more you could've said, something more you could've done--why look your grip on reality over it? Frankly, some people do. I have, but that doesn't justify it. We can only do our best, or we can only accept that most of us will do an average job of it.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:00:16 2012 No.2734668

self-improvement seems to promise happiness and if you actually get around to improving yourself it sometimes feels good but most of the time it seems one feels shitty about not having improved himself and is less likely to even try after having failed

literature can make you feel like you aren't really alone in your struggle and you can sometimes relate

philosophy is interesting to study and can help logical reasoning and argument skills

spirituality seems to be the highest and the most mysterious kind of thing that promises, or at least tries to pursue or understand or do without happiness; i don't know, meditation has been good for me and might be good for you but i can't speak with any authority on the subject because i am not the dalai lama and don't have a nobel peace prize so maybe you should just do whatever oprah and dr oz say you should

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:02:17 2012 No.2734673 >>2734668 >>2734626 What the FUCK are you guys trying to say? Take some articulation classes or something. Jesus.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:10:16 2012 No.2734680

>>2734673
lol trolled but seriously i have spent so many years in school using correct punctuation in order to be understood correctly and to get good grades so that i could secure a good job with a good salary so that i could support children and one day retire and travel to casinos and do cocaine and be irresponsible

i feel better when i don't edit my writing if you can call it that and i am sorry that you are so offended; honestly, i would be too. surely, this is not enjoyable to read, but it is relaxing to write in stream of consciousness, although that is a stupid term too often associated with bob dylan and i hate bob dylan and did you know that bob dylan's son can sing quite well? anyway i will probably leave 4chan forever because it has become a culture and an ideology of failure which sounds like a bunch of neofeminist buzzwords so i guess what i mean is that you guys are all fags and make me feel like shit and should not be so far up your asses and maybe do something other than post on internet messageboards and i am john and i hate every single one of you motherfuckers

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:11:17 2012 No.2734684

>>2734673
I'm trying to say, just live the life to the best of your ability. "Love your neighbor as yourself. . ." and all that jazz. The whole concept of "what am I doing here" might creep up from time to time, but if you just give a little effort into being a decent human being--well, it's not that the question becomes moot, but you'll start to see a little beyond yourself and the question does fade a bit in it's pertinence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:18:16 2012 No.2734694 >>2734684 I reject the value of all of those alternatives.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:22:16 2012 No.2734697 >>2734694 And this board rejects you. Go away.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:23:17 2012 No.2734698 >>2734694 On what grounds?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:23:17 2012 No.2734699 >>2734697 stay summer, newfriend

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:25:17 2012 No.2734701 >>2734698 I'm a solipsist

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:27:17 2012 No.2734702 File: 519 KB, 850x708, 1339569277498.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2734701 Here we go!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:27:17 2012 No.2734703 >>2734698 The burden of proof is on you, buddy. Why are they of value? I reject the premise that value exists.

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Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:30:16 2012 No.2734707

>>2734694
To be perfectly honest, I'm too drunk to care about your reasons. I'd easily write you off, but again, either too drunk or too apathetic to care. I probably won't even remember this in the morning. I guess I should've mentioned, a bit of alcoholism goes a long way. Still, I stand by what I said, even when sober. But I'm a stoic and an existentialist--there's a whole bunch of not giving a fuck in there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:37:16 2012 No.2734710 >>2734707 A whole lot of words but you're yet to say anything. Everyone's gettin' mad that I am fucking up their idealogical position? XDDDDDDDDDDD you're cute, /lit/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:51:17 2012 No.2734718 >>2734710 If you're the prick who keeps saying cute, please stop. I agree with you though.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 05:54:16 2012 No.2734720

>>2734718
I don't regularly browse /lit/ so I don't know what guy you're referring to. It seems to me like mose of these people have no idea what they actually think and hide behind insult and apathy. By using the word 'cute' I was acting in a condescending matter in an attempt to provoke the Anon to respond, but I guess /lit/ can't into discussion.

soedgy Tue Jun 19 06:07:17 2012 No.2734728

>>2734125
Kierkegaard said something in the same vein:

>Meanwhile time passes. If outward help comes, then life returns to the despairer, he begins where he left off; he had no self, and a self he did not become, but he continues to live on with only the quality of immediacy. If outward help does not come, then in real life something else commonly occurs. Life comes back into him after all, but "he never will be himself again," so he says. He now acquires some little understanding of life, he learns to imitate the other men, noting how they manage to live, and so he too lives after a sort. In Christendom he too is a Christian, goes to church every Sunday, hears and understands the parson, yea, they understand one another; he dies; the parson introduces him into eternity for the price of $10 -- but a self he was not, and a self he did not become.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 06:13:17 2012 No.2734733 I was twelve. Drank a lot of chocolate milk. Just lay around in my wife beater watching cartoons. I was a wreck. But I got over it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 06:15:16 2012 No.2734734 >>2734733 what a meaningful progression. you are indeed the ubermensch

>>	soedgy Tue Jun 19 06:15:16 2012 No.2734735 >>2734733 I'm proud of you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 06:28:17 2012 No.2734753 File: 238 KB, 395x409, Screen shot 2012-06-19 at 8.28.14 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I dedicated my life to the pursuit of excellence. If Papa could see me now.

>>	soedgy Tue Jun 19 06:30:16 2012 No.2734754 File: 728 KB, 705x761, F.Nietzche.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	soedgy Tue Jun 19 06:31:16 2012 No.2734757 everybody post Nietzsche

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 10:11:17 2012 No.2735029 Sartre believed happiness was possible, just hard as hell. Camus believed the same. Both very influential existentialists (but don't tell Camus I said that).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 12:28:17 2012 No.2735415 make sure to stay the fuck away from nietzsche

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 12:38:17 2012 No.2735439 don't worry, be happy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 12:39:16 2012 No.2735444 >>2735415 But Nietzsche loves life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 12:43:16 2012 No.2735452 >>2735444 but every angty teenager misunderstands him

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 13:13:17 2012 No.2735493 >>2734219 Or you could read anything written in the past 2 decades on neuroscience and realize that Freud was talking out of his ass.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 13:22:17 2012 No.2735508

>>2734703
Does value have to be totally objective for you to believe that it exists? I may enjoy swimming, and thus find it "of value," but I wouldn't say it's of value to people who hate it (aside from as a tool for survival if that comes up).

All the things that anon was suggesting are things that, generally speaking, are found to be of value by the people who start to do them. Suggesting someone try doing those things is like suggesting they pick up a hobby that you think they're likely to enjoy, only it's safe to say that the vast majority of people are likely to enjoy those things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 13:28:17 2012 No.2735519 Live your life bro even Sisyphus found meaning in his life

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 15:11:16 2012 No.2735751 File: 616 KB, 699x480, 1338484284773.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2735519 What meaning was that? "Gotta push fast"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 15:25:16 2012 No.2735790 >>2735519 I didn't imagine Sisyphus happy when I read that essay. I imagined him begrudgingly resigned.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 15:27:16 2012 No.2735799 >>2735519 Wasn't sisyphus dead?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 16:09:16 2012 No.2735902 File: 110 KB, 325x479, ZooMoviePoster.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Watch Cowboy Bepbop. I'm serious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 16:11:16 2012 No.2735909 >>2735902 >that movie poster A mocumentary about Mr. Hands?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 16:13:16 2012 No.2735914 >>2734100 If I knew you I'd kill you. I hate types like you so badly. go back to /sci/ with your biological y programmed to be a retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 16:13:18 2012 No.2735917 >>2735909 No an actual documentary about it...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 16:16:17 2012 No.2735933 I just embraced mine, I figured it's no use freaking out 24/7, death is going to reach me anyways, might as well enjoy the concept of nothingness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 16:17:17 2012 No.2735937 Maybe you should tell us what this supposed 'existential crisis' was, OP. So we can tell you whether or not it was one because lets face it, the phrase 'existential crisis' is incredibly overused at this current moment in time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 16:18:17 2012 No.2735940 >>2735937 overused and misused, I should have said.

>>	Corvus Corax !p216/4Zwxo Tue Jun 19 16:19:16 2012 No.2735950 File: 34 KB, 640x427, ohdeyjelly.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] you babbys never fail to make me laff

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 16:22:16 2012 No.2735970 [DELETED]

>>2735917
Do you want to know something funny? I watched Mr.Hands at school once. I don't even know what devil possessed me to sate my curiosity THERE. Anyway, it was by the pure goodness of my classmates hearts that I was not subjected to jokes and nicknames for the next year and a half.

Wait, seriously? Well, we all know how it ends, at least.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 16:26:17 2012 No.2735990 an hero

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:00:17 2012 No.2737315 Of course hapiness is real. We can see it on fMRI scans. Peak happiness follows an injection of high doses of opiates.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:00:17 2012 No.2737317 >>2735950 lmao you use a screenname a 13 year old would use in halo

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:01:17 2012 No.2737320 >>2735914 Someones mad.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:15:17 2012 No.2737355

>>2733884
While the majority of philosophical thought is structured around "overcoming" an existential crisis, my personal method can better be described as self-elimination. I read literature consistently, desperately, deeply because it is beautiful, and I believe with Schopenhauer that the only way to transcend the agony of existence and "existential crisis" is to contemplate beauty. Find something in life through which you can glimpse beauty even for a moment, and then do it with all your soul.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:22:16 2012 No.2737370 I was serious about the Tao.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:23:17 2012 No.2737376 >>2737315 That isn't peak happiness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:26:16 2012 No.2737382 >>2737376 Yes it is. Are you implying happiness isn't merely a mental (aka neuronal) state?

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:34:16 2012 No.2737410

>>2737382

there are multiple ways to conceive of happiness. that a neuronal state is related to one way of conceiving happiness does not mean that the neuronal state and happiness are equivalent, it merely points out there one's state of mind has a direct physical component.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:35:17 2012 No.2737413

Buddha and Schopenhauer were right
The only way to freedom and happiness (no matter how imperfect or impermanent that condition turns out to be) is through denial of desires and attachments.

As much as I like Nietzsche and the 'existentialists' and think that they had a lot of interesting insights, I think that ultimately their project is bound to fail and end in pain.

Or as Kundera might say, any existential project ultimately ends in Kitsch.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:38:16 2012 No.2737427

>>2737382
experience machine, etc

also I think 'happiness' here is being defined by anon to mean a broader term that may best be defined as 'eudaimonia' or something like that, not just the narrow neural definition.
Anyways, if you're going to argue define your terms first or you'll never get anywhere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:38:16 2012 No.2737430 >>2733992 Sums up Stoicism imo Without the whole logos or epikrystos thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:40:16 2012 No.2737437 >>2737413 I think this would be too difficult. Maybe a middle ground where you enjoy intellectual pleasures as opposed to moronic things like fast cars, hot women, and blow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:40:16 2012 No.2737438 File: 539 KB, 600x796, 20110526075555!Vinegar_tasters.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2737413 Life is fundamentally beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:42:17 2012 No.2737444 >>2737413 you need to listen to nietzsche more. true happiness is life-affirming, and the denial of desire is merely ideology (whether it be christian or buddhist)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:42:17 2012 No.2737446 >>2737438 Life isn't fundamentally beautiful. It's fundamentally whatever you choose it to be. At least in my opinion

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:44:16 2012 No.2737454 >>2737446 Yeah, which is why it's best to say it's fundamentally beautiful if you want to be happy. The image I posted was supposed to be reference to that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vinegar_Tasters

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:45:16 2012 No.2737461 >>2737457 What do you feel emphasis should be placed on, and on what do people place it that rustles your jimmies?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:45:17 2012 No.2737457 I'm (mostly) past my existential phase, but now what gets me going is how people place emphasis on the wrong things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:45:17 2012 No.2737458 File: 61 KB, 368x350, bokusai-ikkyu_sojun.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2737437 >implying enlightenment and hot women are incompatible

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:46:16 2012 No.2737462

>>2737427
That "happiness" you speak of is nothing more then the "average" of euphoria you have over time.

Also, everyone on earth if actually given the choice of a Experience Machine would take it.

People just say "no" because it's not actually an option.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:46:16 2012 No.2737463 >>2737454 you'd be lying to yourself and you'd know it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:46:16 2012 No.2737464 >>2737410 Of course it does, it's ENTIRELY physical. You're not a dualist, are you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:47:16 2012 No.2737468 >>2737454 Maybe I'm just splitting hairs but if something is fundamental (naturally inherent) how can it be anything the observer wishes?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:47:17 2012 No.2737470 >>2737464 Not that guy, but eliminative materialism and dualism are not the only two choices, just the far poles.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:49:16 2012 No.2737474 >>2737470 But materialism is the only scientific belief.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:49:16 2012 No.2737478 >>2737458 If I became a philosopher, if I have so keenly sought this fame for which I'm still waiting, it's all been to seduce women basically. -Sartre So, maybe not. ( i realize he meant something different though)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:50:16 2012 No.2737480 >>2737474 I said "eliminative materialism" not "materialism" in general. What he said was compatible with many forms of materialism.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:52:17 2012 No.2737483

>>2737463
>>2737468
>When people define things as beautiful other things become ugly.
>When people define certain things as good, other things become bad.
>Being and non-being condition each other. Difficult and easy give rise to each other. Long and short define each other.
>High and low depend on each other. Noise and harmony define each other; Before and after follow each other.

Good and bad are defined by one another. When you recognize that all things are one thing, and you are part of that one thing, everything falls into place.

I personally find a kind of beauty in that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:52:17 2012 No.2737484 >>2737480 As long as you admit that your entire mind and consciousness and everything that goes with it is stored within the physical configuration of the neurons inside your skull, we're cool.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:55:18 2012 No.2737490 >>2737483 I agree with that. Because all things are equal and the same they are inherently meaningless but can have any meaning you so desire.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:55:18 2012 No.2737492 >not into nonreductive physicalism >2012

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:56:18 2012 No.2737493 >>2737483 >High and low depend on each other You only say that because that's how your brain is preprogrammed to act.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:57:18 2012 No.2737494

>>2737464

no, you just confuse the physical chemical process with the actual cause and effect relationship that it takes place within. the euphoria occurs immanently within the reaction, but happiness extends past both the reaction and feelings within, encompassing reason, the social field, the environment that one lives within, health, etc. etc.

just equating happiness with a mental state is what allows the stupid "experience machine" to be a dilemma for philosophers. if people just wanted a constant euphoric state, all of the poor's ambition would be directed towards acquiring more drugs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:57:18 2012 No.2737495 >>2737484 >as long as you admit one very specific variety of materialism because it's the only one I'm familiar with I have no particular position in philosophy of mind. It's not my specialty.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:58:18 2012 No.2737496 >>2737492 >Non-reductive physicalism is the idea that while mental states are caused by physical states they are not reducible to physical properties Wow! It's almost like it contradicts itself!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:58:18 2012 No.2737497 >>2737493 Behavior might be probabilistic rather than predestined. It's impossible to be sure, and really irrelevant.

Anonymous Tue Jun 19 23:59:17 2012 No.2737500

>>2737494
If i was able to induce that same neuronal activation, i would induce happiness in you.

Your consciousness might attempt to justify it somehow, but it would be an ad-hoc justification.

It has already been demonstrated that the brain is capable of making up complete fabrications in order to make a story "fit" what it sees. I'll have to look up the disease that causes this but it's very, very cool. The mentally ill can tell us alot about the illusion of free will, as can fMRI and other brain scans.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:00:17 2012 No.2737503 >>2737496 >It's almost like it contradicts itself! It really isn't.

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:00:17 2012 No.2737505

>>2737496
Not that person, but it's like how a bunch of animals and plants in separate cages don't create the ecosystem which exists if they're allowed to interact. Nonreductive means, basically, that a zoo is not a jungle, and thus, studying the individual parts of the brain can only get you so far.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:00:17 2012 No.2737507 I didn't. I'm just sad a lot but I keep living life the best I can for the moments here and there where I'm not sad. I guess that sort of makes me a hedonist--but I do try to at least pursue pleasures like reading.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:00:17 2012 No.2737508 >>2737505 >>2737503 Only the Physical exists though, and everything can be reduced to quantum / particle physics.

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:02:16 2012 No.2737510

What I love about the eastern tradition is that it has dealt with the meaninglessness that existentialism grappled with with such levity and ease. Nietzsche for example, tried so hard to make life meaningful and beautiful, it was an act of will for him, to force life to mean something great through eternal return to give weight to existence.
While for the eastern philosophies like Taoism and Buddhism, meaninglessness (or emptiness - void- Shunya) was the key to liberation, something to be embraced not escaped and fought against. Realizing that the self is empty or void, realizing that everything is so, one can deal with the world as it really is, not as we would like it to be.

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:02:16 2012 No.2737511

>>2737484

the storing is only part of the process. your consciousness is not a box full of stuff, but an activity that occurs within the brain, the effect of a continuous calculation. it is within the flow of the energy between the neurons, not the neurons themselves.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:02:16 2012 No.2737512 read zapffe, get over yrself, go climb a mountain and don't have kids

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:02:16 2012 No.2737513 >>2737508 >everything can be reduced to quantum / particle physics. Modern science doesn't even know how to do that. Perhaps it can be done, perhaps it can't.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:03:16 2012 No.2737515 >>2737508 If you get small enough in a theoretical physics sense, nothing (individually exists) except for what matter and energy are both expressions of. At that point the physical doesn't exist, IMHO

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:04:16 2012 No.2737518 >>2737515 >>2737513 And the human brain operates on a scale many orders of magnitude larger then QM. You can't hand wave away determinism by citing questions in QM,

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:05:17 2012 No.2737519 >>2737508 >everything can be reduced to quantum / particle physics. One day you'll see how this is almost as dumb as whatever religion you were raised on.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:06:17 2012 No.2737520 >>2737519 Yes, The principles of science are as dumb as religion. You cannot save free will and non-determinism without invoking the supernatural.

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:07:17 2012 No.2737522

>>2737518
>And the human brain operates on a scale many orders of magnitude larger then QM.

That implies you think the operation can't be reduced to particle physics.

>You can't hand wave away determinism

Who said anything about determinism? That's a completely different question than reductive materialism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:09:16 2012 No.2737528 >>2737522 Materialism and Determinism go hand in hand. Unless you presuppose that only the material exists but maybe it doesn't follow the Laws of Physics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:09:17 2012 No.2737530 >>2737520 What about compatibilism? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibilism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:10:17 2012 No.2737532 >>2737522 No, it implies that any uncertinities in QM are completely irrelevant at even the individual neuron level See those awful horrible people in "what the bleep do we know" who claim "Waveform Collapse Causes consciousness"

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:11:18 2012 No.2737535

>>2737520

>You cannot save free will and non-determinism without invoking the supernatural.

I didn't say ANYTHING about that shit.

Learn what reductionism is and stop doing it--that's all I'm saying. Almost anytime someone on the internet says "quantum" anything bullshit is bound to follow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:12:18 2012 No.2737536 >>2737518 I wasn't referring to determinism. I was just throwing in my 2 pence.

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:12:18 2012 No.2737538

>>2737528

I see, after all this time you STILL think people were trying to refute materialism. Because the only form of materialism you know about is the reductive kind.

>>2737532
>No, it implies that any uncertinities in QM are completely irrelevant at even the individual neuron level

I never said anything about the uncertainties. I don't care about the uncertainties. They have nothing to do with what we're talking about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:12:18 2012 No.2737539 People without MRI machines shouldn't be allowed to speculate about the human brain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:13:16 2012 No.2737542 >>2737538 non-reductionist materialism is a contradiction in terms.

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:14:16 2012 No.2737543

>>2737483

the world is more ambiguous than opposites. there are whole multiplicities that are adjacent to, or diagonal, or transveral to opposites. the discovery that opposites are just one doesn't include the whole multiplicity outside of the one that can't be grasped by human consciousness.

>>2737500

you dodge the real question: what in fact do people actually desire? if it is happiness in the form that you are saying, then happiness is just a drug away. but i believe people strive to be more than the chemical reaction that is induced when they are happy. achieving a goal, for example, is something that drives people, by which euphoria gets attached when the particular event of achieving that goal (and probably prior events when the subject is working hard towards that goal), but in the end, when they say that they are happy, they aren't talking about their specific neuronal state at that moment, but the whole process that that neuronal state becomes attached to at the very end. happiness is the totality of an activity, the euphoria merely a part.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:15:16 2012 No.2737544 >>2737542 Please, read a book on the philosophy of mind. ANY book.

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:16:16 2012 No.2737545

>>2737543
>the world is more ambiguous than opposites.
This is true, but everything is defined by what it isn't, as much as what it is. If I define "wall" but don't limit it to only things that have certain qualities, I'm not effectively creating a meaning for the word "wall." Everything is a judgement call. Everything is one thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:16:16 2012 No.2737547 >>2737544 Why would I do that when I can read books on Neuroscience that are actually, you know, Science, instead of people making assertions they cannot provide objective evidence for?

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:18:19 2012 No.2737554

>>2737542

Ok, fine, "greedy reductionism" then. Analyzing your body at the quantum level won't teach you to ride a bike. Stop making everything a fucking intro to physics discussion.

As Stephen Hawking said, even self-labeled determinists look both ways before crossing the street.

Read Ernesto Sabato. He was a nuclear physicist and a communist in Argentina. He was a very idealistic and scientific man who finally figured out his own bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:19:19 2012 No.2737555 >>2737539 An MRI is like a stick figure drawing of the rocky mountains by a kindergartner. It can't give you a complete picture or accurately display every detail of the brain/conscious on every level

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:20:26 2012 No.2737558 >>2737547 Then read one of those.

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:20:26 2012 No.2737559

>>2737543
Because the brain isn't completely greedy in its desires. It knows that a lot of things that bring immediate happiness (such as shooting up heroin) can have long lasting negative impacts which are bad for itself (developing AIDS, Inability to maintain job which results in little to no shelter/food/etc)

People driven for a goal are due to the complexities of the social environment, their own mental programming and the preceived short, medium and long term benefits of that goal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:21:26 2012 No.2737560 >>2737558 Ok, but they're not going to support your Skyhooks you know.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:22:16 2012 No.2737563 >>2737560 Just so long as you read something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:23:17 2012 No.2737564 File: 16 KB, 398x292, rocktothebeat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] enjoy it. existential dread will teach you how to be human.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:23:17 2012 No.2737565 The point isn't to describe how the brain works, it's to make sure that nobody believes in the supernatural and understands the laws of physics are immutable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:24:17 2012 No.2737567 >>2737545 naw, everything is just a thing that is also itself a part of everything. it is the set that includes all sets including itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:26:17 2012 No.2737570 >>2737565 >make sure that nobody believes in the supernatural Good luck.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:26:17 2012 No.2737571 >>2737567 And every thing is everything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:27:17 2012 No.2737572 >>2737570 Ok, that's a lofty goal. To ridicule them so they feel bad and go away, how about? the Internet has successfully driven non-atheists into submissive silence which is kind of funny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:28:17 2012 No.2737573 File: 558 KB, 1280x800, 1338186084674.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT : People who wouldn't last 5 minutes in a STEM degree talking about Functional Neuroscience. It's like the greeks speculating about physics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:28:17 2012 No.2737574 >>2737567 What about the set of all sets which don't contain themselves?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:30:16 2012 No.2737578 >>2737571 every thing is everything and also itself. it's a monism, a dualism, and a multiplicity all at once.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:30:16 2012 No.2737579 >>2737578 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism This is what I was getting at.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 00:32:17 2012 No.2737582 >>2737574 i'm sure that everything if such a concept can even be comprehended would include all logical paradoxes and contradictions, as well as their answers

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 02:25:17 2012 No.2737775 File: 116 KB, 464x315, e06f5a0fc92d0b5fe2b68243e1ff6f80d0f559f9_m.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just went through this whole thread. Took awhile >shit was cash $$$$$$$$$$$$$ best thread ever

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 02:30:16 2012 No.2737778 Realize materialism is wrong. though that might require too much of you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 02:31:18 2012 No.2737780 >>2737778 this, my precognitive dreams > neuroscience

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 03:02:16 2012 No.2737813

>tfw you realize things do mean something
>tfw things exist

Cmon guys, existentialism and nihilism is babby's excuse to reject their /r9k/ feels and pretend they have some other "sophisticated" reason to be depressed. Sometimes in the middle of the night, I go buy Mcdonalds and watch cartoons until morning, and it makes me very happy. I look at beautiful paintings and listen to beautiful music, and it makes me happy. I interact with beautiful people and it makes me happy. All of these activities are meaningful, and you should do your best to do good in your life because it really does mean something whether you think so or not.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 03:12:16 2012 No.2737830 >>2737813 Where you find meaning I guess I see that all those things in the end are meaningless. Though I do agree that there is no reason to get depressed about it no matter how meaningful or meaningless you perceive it to be.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 04:30:17 2012 No.2737963 >>2737547 >he thinks knowledge exists bahahahha highschoolers are so much fun

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 05:02:32 2012 No.2737983

I went to the bookstore front counter with a copy of Emerson's Essay and a wise old man told me he remembers the days when he was a depressed college student, then one day he read this book and 'poof' his depression was gone forever.

I read the book. He was right. Emerson's quite a bit on the religious side, but its great prose writing and great philosophy. Transcendentalists share the existentialists concern for finding the authentic self and their belief in human freedom. They can help you find the eternal well spring of strength that lies within.

I especially recommend his essays: The American Scholar, Napoleon the Man of the World, Plato the Philosopher, Self-reliance, Politics

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:20:18 2012 No.2738394 >>2737963 How do you know there's no knowledge?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:23:18 2012 No.2738399 >>2738394 >because there is no truth

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:26:19 2012 No.2738402 >>2738399 Is that true?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:27:18 2012 No.2738404 >>2738402 Neither true nor false.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:29:18 2012 No.2738407 >>2738404 In that case I won't be wrong if I disbelieve it. Problem solved.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:33:18 2012 No.2738414 >>2738407 You can disbelieve it. It doesn't change that you can't produce any knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:36:18 2012 No.2738425 >>2738414 I bet you look both ways before crossing a busy street.

>>	Mr. Noc aka Future Boy !RXm61rnmYY Wed Jun 20 14:36:18 2012 No.2738426 Watch RoboCop Repeat as many times as necessary.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:38:19 2012 No.2738433 >>2738425 better safe than sorry

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:44:18 2012 No.2738444 I went to an emergency room and got pumped full of haldol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:45:18 2012 No.2738445 >>2738433 Exactly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 14:53:19 2012 No.2738460 I took up writing in a small grubby flip-open note pad that I kept with me at all times. Then I left the army.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 15:00:18 2012 No.2738472 >>2738445 you're probably from /sci/ and getting butt-hurt that your precious knowledge does not exist or maybe I'm just...PROJECECEEETIINGGGGGGGGGGG XDDDDDDDDDDD

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 15:04:19 2012 No.2738475 >>2738425 1. look both ways before crossing the street 2. ??? 3. knowledge exists! cool argument. i especially like the ??? very convincing

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 15:15:19 2012 No.2738503 >>2738445 >Believes in objectivity Oh God... Stop... My sides... I bet you're one of those kids who thinks that it's okay to not read the Bible and still call oneself "well read."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 15:19:18 2012 No.2738514 /sci/ is just ridiculous

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 15:27:18 2012 No.2738528 I think we can all agree that it is never good when /sci/ and /lit/ cross paths.

Anonymous Wed Jun 20 15:30:18 2012 No.2738540

>>2737963
Real funny faggot ass bitch. You think this is a joke? You think giving me lip is a good idea? I'll fucking murder you.

Yeah making fun of me is so funny, so funny I forgot to laugh. If you wanna talk like that to me why don't you come here and say it to me face so I can answer your insults with a swift fist to the nose. Yeah you have a lot to say from hundreds of miles away but I bet if my fists were in reach of your face you would be like a tv on mute with no volume button. So do yourself a favor and keep your mouth shut unless you want to die. Next time you think about saying something like that to me I want you to remember one thing. I know the guy that created google maps and I can locate you in the time it took me to type this. Don't want anymore problems.... didn't think so faggot. You have any idea what gorilla warfare is? I do, I was in the US Marine Core and I perfected it. I'm fully capable of using it on you motherfuckers. Do you know the dander your in if I find you? I am 100$ serious. Bunch of god damn newfaf loser here and I will not have it. At least I've had sex, had girlfriends, and gotten laid, and blowjobbed unlike you virgin piece of unpatriotic SHIT.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 15:41:19 2012 No.2738556 >>2738540 This is funny as fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 15:51:18 2012 No.2738580 >>2738556 agreed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 16:16:18 2012 No.2738649 has neither of you niggers read herman hesse?

>>	noko Wed Jun 20 16:51:18 2012 No.2738738 >>2738540 >the dander >dander

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 17:04:19 2012 No.2738775 >>2738649 I don't waste time with charlatans. That and transcendentalism is a bunch of delusional bullshit

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 17:06:19 2012 No.2738783 >>2738540 Wait... did you just say you blowjobed? You give blowjobs?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 20 17:36:18 2012 No.2738853 >>2734581 Ecclesiastes I presume?

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