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>Team Britain
George Orwell
J.R.R. Tolkien
William Shakespeare
Oscar Wilde
Aldous Huxley

>Team USA
Stephen King
Stephanie Meyer
David Foster Wallace
Suzanne Collins
Ralph Waldo Emerson

>> No.2660515

oh come on man, what's up with that sample,
"sample" being the operative word here.

>> No.2660516

You left out Jacqueline Suzanne!

>> No.2660523

>>2660516
I can think of a few more he 'forgot' about aswell

>> No.2660530

>No Pynchon

>> No.2660532
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>team america

>> No.2660538

>>2660523
Oh, you mean like Hemmingway, Fitzgerald, Tennessee Williams. Those guys.
I still think Jacqueline Suzanne belongs on the list.

>> No.2660541

>>2660523
>I can think of a few more he 'forgot' about aswell
Like William Golding , C.S. Lewis, Charles Dickens and Jane Austen ?

>> No.2660548

>Team Canada
Margaret Atwood
Michael Ondaatje
Mordecai Richler
William Gibson
Alice Munro

>> No.2660554

>>2660548
>Team Canada
Margaret Atwood
William Shatner
William Shatner
William Gibson
William Shatner

>> No.2660558

>Team USA
Charles Bukowski
Hemingway
Lovecraft
McCarthy
Steinbeck

>> No.2660562
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2660562

You say Herman Melville; I say Joseph Conrad.
You say William Faulkner; I say Malcolm Lowry.
You say F. Scott Fitzgerald; I say Virginia Woolf.
You say Henry James; I say D.H. Lawrence.
You say David Foster Wallace; I hit you in the face!

92% of readers have turned to American books. If you're one of the 8% who still reads real literature, scribble this message in the margins of five books! DON'T LET THE SPIRIT OF BRITAIN DIE!

>> No.2660568

>Team USA
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Thomas Pynchon
Walt Whitman
William Faulkner
Emily Dickinson

>> No.2660569

>>2660562
the authors in these are perfect. ofc without DFW. but thats how you make a team, OP.

>> No.2660575

>>2660558
>>2660568
Even with Americans posting serious lists they cant come anywhere near the British one.

>> No.2660581

>>2660569

it's almost as if op deliberately made contentious lists to encourage nationalistic shitposting

>> No.2660582

>>2660509
>Team USA
>David Foster Wallace

Auto-win.

>> No.2660583

Funny how all the great British authors died decades ago.

>> No.2660585

>>2660575
I don't think the Bukowski one was serious.

>> No.2660587

>>2660581
& also we are apparently taking it seriously. because we're all fucking idiots, apparently.

>> No.2660589

Wilde was Irish.

>> No.2660602

>>2660554
>>2660548
>Doublecheck Gibson's nationality
>He's from South Carolina
I guess he's from the South Carolina region of Canada.
Dumbass

>> No.2660609

As long as it's written in English I don't care what country it came from.

>> No.2660622

>>2660583
>Funny how all the great British authors died decades ago.
They died from reading the twaddle coming out of the states.

>> No.2660624

>>2660589

Indeed, but it's okay; OP is just PRETENDING to be retarded.

>> No.2660647

>Team Russian
Oh wait, I don't even need to read that because we all know Russkies win

>> No.2660650

>>2660647
No, the Russkies finish a distance 3rd behind Britain and France.

>> No.2660652

>>2660609
>not being polyglot

>> No.2660657

>>2660647
Here, here. The Russians win.

>> No.2660667

>>2660652
Just think how many books I've been able to read during the time it would have taken to learn another language. And what am I suppose to learn? French, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian etc. etc.

>> No.2660668

>Team Britain
J.K. Rowling
William McGonagall
OP

>> No.2660682

>>2660667
everyone knows all you have to do to learn a language is to sleep with a language tape playing.

>> No.2660685

>>2660509
>Dat file name

>smug git

>> No.2660690

>>2660667
>And what am I suppose to learn?

English would be a good start.

>> No.2660826

America did have that one other good author, I can't remember his name though.

>> No.2660839

>>2660509
>that bias

>> No.2660842

>Team France:

Moliere
Anatole France
Marcel Proust
Andre Gide
Albert Camus

Are other countries even trying?

>> No.2660847

>Ireland

Yeats, Joyce, Beckett.. need I say more?

>> No.2660844

>>2660839
whoops, looks like i am taking life too seriously

still unfunny shit thread

>> No.2660851

>>2660847
>>2660847

>need I say more?

Yes - that's only three people, and Joyce was fucking shit.

>> No.2660857

>>2660851
oh, is that why he's superior to everyone else mentioned ITT, including Shakespeare??

>> No.2660866

>>2660857

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

GET A LOAD OF THIS MAD AS FUCK JOYCE FAGGOT.

FUCK OFF AND START MAKING YOUR COSPLAY OUTFIT FOR BLOOMSDAY YOU FUCKING GAYLORD.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OH MY GOD, MY SIDES.

>> No.2660873

>>2660857
Joyce, superior to Shakespeare? I think not.

Doesn't England own Ireland anyway, in Great Britain or United kingdoms or whatever they call themselves?

I thought England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales were all part of the same thing.

>> No.2660875

>>2660847
Banville is a pretty good contemporary Irish author (ignoring his Benjamin Black crime fiction)

>> No.2660879

>>2660866

Be advised, /lit/ isn't every other board on 4chan.

>> No.2660881

>>2660847

flann o'brien

>> No.2660883

>>2660866
oh it's you again

>> No.2660888

>>2660873

When Joyce published Ulysses, Ireland was part of the United Kingdom, so technically speaking, he's British. Finnegans Wake was published after the establishment of the Irish Free State, so it is Irish. This probably accounts for it being so fucking stupid and ugly.

>> No.2660890

>Team Botswana
Galesiti Baruti
Unity Dow
Bessie Head
Leetile Disang Raditladi
Barolong Seboni

>> No.2660892

>>2660888
It's his best book (Finnegans Wake).

>> No.2660897

>>2660892
Haha, you can't be serious.

>> No.2660898

>>2660888
So Ireland is a different country. Separate from England, Great Britain and the United Kingdom?

>> No.2660903
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2660903

>No Kurt Vonnegut
>No Poe
>No Henry David Thoreau
>No Hawthorne
>No Mark Twaine
>No F. Scott Fitzgerald

It's easy to be smug when you ignore everyone in the opposing team.

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>>2660898

Nobody is this stupid, so you're a troll.

>> No.2660906

>>2660883
>>2660879

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MAD
AS
FUCK

CAN'T JOYCE APOLOGISTS COME UP WITH ANYTHING LIKE AN ARGUMENT?

OF COURSE THEY CAN'T BECAUSE NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER READ ANY OF HIS BOOKS ALL THE WAY THROUGH


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>> No.2660912

>>2660906

I'm not a Joyce fan, and that's not what I was addressing, but something tells me you already knew that. What I'm asking is that you just stop posting like that.

>> No.2660915

>>2660906
If you're interested in learning about why he's considered a significant author, I'd recommend reading some criticism of his work.

>> No.2660918
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>>2660898

GB and UK are the same thing, and we own part of Northern Ireland. They really hate it though, and want independence, as do Scotland.

In addition, Britain also owns 14 other overseas territories.

>> No.2660920

>>2660918
>GB and UK are the same thing

no they fucking aren't

>> No.2660922

>>2660906
>>2660866
is this supposed to be amusing or something?

>> No.2660923
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>>2660915

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WHY DON'T YOU JUST ADMIT THAT YOU'VE NEVER READ ANY CRITICISM AND THAT YOU DON
T UNDERSTAND JOYCE YOU WANKER?

AT LEAST THEN YOU MIGHT GET SOME RESPECT.

JOYCE FANS: WORST PEOPLE IN LITERATURE. LYING PRETENTIOUS SHITS.

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>> No.2660924

>ctrl + f
>no Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

Jesus Christ, people - he's an American poet who has a bust in Poet's Corner of Westminster.

>> No.2660925

>>2660923
Wow, I was just making a polite suggestion. No need to be such a jerk.

>> No.2660928

>>2660920
>>2660918

There's no such thing as GB. Great Britain ceased to exist more than 200 years ago.

The UK doesn't "own" Northern Ireland, it's part of the union. Scotland entered the union of its own volition and there isn't a strong movement for independence outside the political classes, which is why Alex Salmon daren't ever call a plebiscite on the subject because he'll effectively remove the reason for his party to exist.

>> No.2660929

>>2660923
Now don't lump Dubliners and A Portrait... in with Ulysses and Finnegans Wake.

>> No.2660931
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>>2660920
Yes they are the same thing, nigga. Britain and Scotland are ALL part of the United Kindom.

>> No.2660932

>>2660903
>trying to make an all-star American team.
>kurt vonnegut
go back to reddit please.

>> No.2660935

>>2660929
Why not? They're by the same guy, and they show a very visible progression in literary style

>> No.2660940

>>2660928
>Scotland entered the union of its own volition and there isn't a strong movement for independence outside the political classes
Come up to Glasgow and try saying that to our faces cunt. We don't want to be a part of your political faggotry, and we are sick of seeing your english flags everywhere. You don't give a fuck about us so fuck off.

>> No.2660941

>>2660935
Yeah, the progression from genius to wank.

>> No.2660948

>>2660940

>Come up to Glasgow and try saying that to our faces cunt

I live just off Byres Road, you fucking numpty. I'll be in Curlers later for a pint if you fancy acting the hardman.

>> No.2660952

scottish people arguing is my new favorite thing

>> No.2660961

>>>/int/

>> No.2660962

>>2660941
Except not.

>> No.2660998

>>2660948

I'll be there you cunt. I'll be wearing a red puffa jacket and blue/white striped shorts with a black fedora so look out for me and come over and we can settle this with out fists.

Fucking going to murder you you piece of shit.

>> No.2661051

>>2660998

>Implying anyone in a puffer jacket and a fedora wouldn't be murdered as soon as the got out of the metro.

I legitimately will be there though - or in Tennents bar later on.

>> No.2661072

>>2661051

Not when you run with Danny No-Teeth and Phil McKraken. I just have to say the word and Tennent's will get torched to the ground tonight.

>> No.2661077

>>2661072

Feel free, I owe the landlord twenty sheets. Anyway, I'm off now. You coming?

>> No.2661085

Although I am very fond of Orwell ,and especially the literary genius that us Aldous Huxley, there are some decent american writers. Mark Twain, Fitzgerald, Jane Austen ( not sure about this one)..............ah screw it your right. American authors do write horrendously.

>> No.2661087

>>2661077

I'm slipping into my lingerie and red puffa jacket as we speak you fucking English cunt.

>> No.2661096

>>2661085
wat?

>> No.2661104

>>2661087

>mfw some random English cunt batters you after you start on him.

I'm scottish you fucking shite. Anyway. That's me away now. I'll probably end up fighting someone tonight - may as well be you.

>> No.2661120

>>2661104

Scottish, English I don't give a shit; a fight is a fight and I rarely lose.

Tell me this, sonny: have ye ever fought a man in pantyhose?

Watch your back tonight. I want your blood to stain my moustache.

>> No.2661136

>>2661120
>pantyhose
Confirmed for American

>> No.2661151

>>2660879
..you realise it's one of the worst for shitposting and trolling, right?

>> No.2662627

>Team USA
GRRM

nuff said.

>> No.2662641

>>2661085
Faulkner, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, James, Twain, McCarthy, Melville, Whitman, Thoreau, etc...

>> No.2662644

Poms and Yanks, Poms and Yanks everywhere, flinging their monkey poo at one another.

>> No.2662763

>>2662644
And what has Ausfailia ever contributed to literature, pray tell?

>> No.2663330

>>2662763
You remember that bloke from crocodile dundee? Well he's got an autobiography.

>> No.2663345

Can this shitty thread die already?

>> No.2663468
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bump

>> No.2663564

Ernest Hemingway

>> No.2663570

I believe, gentlemen, Team Germany would kick all of our asses.

>> No.2663574
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>>2660509
>Team USA
>Stephanie Meyer
>mfw

>> No.2663582

>>2663570
Team Russia would put up a good fight too.

>> No.2663596

Team Britain:
William McGonagall
J.K. Rowling
David Guterson

>> No.2663598

>Team Greece, Bitches

Homer
Archimedes
Aristotle
Plato
Euclid

>> No.2663605

>>2663598
Now name some more modern authors from Greece.

>> No.2663607

Oscar Wilde was Irish.

>> No.2663611

>>2663598
The Greeks invented gayness

>> No.2663634

>>2663611
Yes, but back then it was Macedonia. It was actually considered common to take a woman as a wife for sex and breeding, but sex for pleasure, and prostitution was usually with young boys. Even Alexander the great would use boys for sex. But their perception of homosexuality was totally different to the one we have now.

>> No.2663648

>Team France
Proust
La Fontaine
Montaigne
Descartes
Baudelaire

>> No.2664264

>>2663598
Well, it looks like Greece wins then.

>> No.2666336

Bump

>> No.2666352

>>2660509
You forgot the best writer ever, Douglas Adams

I like british humor, generally. But the Hunger Games was Amazing. tight competition...

>> No.2666364

>>2666352
>>2666352
Your only thinking of him because its "National Douglas Adams towel day"

>> No.2666458

Team America has digi-volved!, and now consists of:

Hemingway
Faulkner
Melville
Pynchon
Salinger

>> No.2666471

I seriously didn't know that. He's my favorite author, not only for The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy but also for Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

>> No.2666500

>>2666471
>Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

Have you seen the TV series they made? Its not spectacular but it can be quite funny in places.

>> No.2666529

>>2666500
No, i haven't, but ill look it up, thanks!

>> No.2666540

>Team Oztrayah

Patrick White
Peter Carey
Tim Winton
Nick Cave

>> No.2666543

>>2666540

Oops, forgot to add David Malouf.

>> No.2666654

>Team France

Rabelais
Molière
Voltaire
Baudelaire
Sartre

>> No.2666672

>Joyce Carol Oates

How the fuck could you forget JCO?

Also

>Junot Diaz
>Richard Powers
>Toni Morrison (most recent US nobel lit. winner)
>Colson Whitehead
>Michael Chabon
>John Updike
>Philip Roth
>wayyy more....

>> No.2666677

>Team Russia

Tolstoy
Dostoevsky
Bulgakov
Nabokov
Puskin

I win.

>> No.2666690

>>2660509

>J.R.R. Tolkien
>Releases mediocre book series
>Years later made into shitty 3 part movie
>Millions of idiots run out and buy the books, say they love them
>Froto is a fag.

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>>2666690
LOTR the musical ft the Kooks

"Frodo, are you seriously going to wear the ring while you play guitar?"

>> No.2666860

>>2660509
>Team britain
>Oscar Wilde

Nope. Oscar Wilde was an Irishman and prettty serious about it. Definitely a member of team Ireland. Stop poaching our fucking players.

Team Ireland
Joyce
Yeats
Beckett
Wilde
Swift

>>2660562
Joseph Conrad was Polish.

>> No.2667018

>Team Britain
>no Dickens
gtfo

>> No.2667020

>Meyer

Get out.

>> No.2667029

If we're talking about quality of authors comparative to total population Ireland is the best while USA is by far the worst.

From an American.

>> No.2667046

so do we own part of Nabokov, since he published his best works in the states ?

>> No.2667047

>>2660650
Nabokov
Tolstoy
Dostoevsky
Chekhov
Gogol

This isn't a goddamn competition.

>> No.2667053

>>2667046
Yes, just like how Charles Darwin is Galapagosian.

>> No.2667074

>>2667053
are we doing this by where they were born or from where they were published ?, Because samuel Beckett was born in Ireland, but wrote most of his works in french.

>> No.2667117

>>2667074
>Irish
>Human being
Pick one.

>> No.2667128

>Team USA
Steinbeck
Woolfe
Lovecraft
Fitzgerald
Mark Twain

In my mind, they're all burly, strong, and clenching weapons of choice. Mark Twain's got his sleeves ripped, and Woolf'e spinning a chain.

Someone draw this, please.

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>>2667128

Oh yeah, forgot McCarthy.

You're all fucked.

captcha: pssout (IMM)

>> No.2667335

Oscar Wilde is Irish

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>>2667117
Ten billion hours in MS Paint.

>> No.2669725

bump

>> No.2669872

usa writers clap after sucking at it.

>> No.2669908

Come on guys, can't we just like books regardless of origin?

>> No.2669915

lol team america and no:
Mark Twain
Edgar Allen Poe
Walt Whitman
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Robert Frost
John Steinbeck
Jack London

>> No.2670000

>Team Germany

Kant
Kafka
Nietzsche
Hesse
Gottfried
Goethe

FACE THE SUPREMACY OF GERMAN LITERATURE.

>> No.2670022

>>2670000

>Kafka
>German

Get this rassenschande out of here

>> No.2670094

>contemporary writers
Ernest Hemingway
F. Scott Fitzgerald
Gertrude Stien
T.S. Eliot
J.R.R. Tolkein
Rudyard Kipling

>pre-contemporary writers
Oscar Wilde
Edgar Allen Poe
Mark Twain
Shakespeare
Emily Dickinson
I'm neglecting many authors' names, I'm probably wrong on the time frame of several authors, and these lists could continue endlessly. irregardless, which group overall contains better writers?

>> No.2670108

>>2670094
>irregardless
>irregardless
>irregardless
fuck you

>> No.2670110

>>2670022
More like Team jew, amirite

>> No.2670114

I think Shakespeare would be more of a Team England person, did they even officially have Scotland when he was alive?

>> No.2670118

>>2667053
>>2667046
didn't he defect? if so I think that makes him fair game; if your country's so bad an author can't stand it, you don't deserve that author

>> No.2670589

bump

>> No.2670608

>>2670108
It's a century old word you fuckwit. Some prescriptivist dinosaur tell you it was bad?

>> No.2671220

>>2660583
hurrrr durrr if ther so great how cum ther dead?

>> No.2671245

Day 5 of troll thread...

>> No.2671257

>>2670000

Kafka was not German. True he wrote most of his stuff in German, but still...
Also, where the fuck is Schiller!?

>> No.2671260

>>2667046
If you get Nabokov, we get Conrad.

>> No.2671916

bump

>> No.2673908

>>2670114
Of course team England get Shakespeare.

>> No.2673914

Team Germany.

Master race.

Master writers.

>> No.2673954

>>2670114
Think about when Macbeth is set. It didn't become a sovereign state until the 18th century, but it has been a state in its own right for like 9000 years.

>> No.2674072

My fellow Americans, do you want me to help ?

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>>2674072
Fuckin captcha

>> No.2674079

>>2671257

This is true. He was Austrian (what was then Austria, that is).

I'd say team Germany would have to be:

Goethe
Kant
Hesse
Schiller
Nietzsche
and Miester Konrad (whom we think to have penned Nibelungenlied).

>> No.2674080

>britain
>wilde

>> No.2674102

>>2674080

To be fair, Wilde was Irish, but wrote all of his famous works in England.

However, his nationality can not be disputed. It'd be like saying Einstein wasn't a German because he moved to America and came up with more ideas while living there.

>> No.2674110

>kant gives two shits for plot
>please try again

>> No.2674111

>>2674102
Wasn't Ireland part of Britain back then, and the Irish were fighting for nationalism.

>> No.2674115

>>2674102

Well, he was an Anglo-Irish protestant.

>> No.2674117

Team Italy

Umberto Eco
Italo Calvino
Dario Fo
Giosuè Carducci
Grazia Deledda
Luigi Pirandello
Salvatore Quasimodo

It's a strong team - a lot of Nobel Laureates in there. But they surrender.

>> No.2674119

>>2674111
This is also very true. However, they had been trying to become an independent nation for quite sometime, as Wilde's own mother was a poet who wrote Irish national poetry.

I don't know, what does the rest of the party say?

>> No.2674125

>>2674115
He became a Catholic on his death-bed and I believe most of his family where Catholics. He, himself, displayed no religious leanings before his death.

>> No.2674130

>>2674117

No Lampedusa, Petrarch, Ovid, Virgil, Boccaccio?

You're not doing it right.

>> No.2674132

How can Russia not win?

Petersburg alone can single-handedly wipe the asses of nations like the US and their collective contributions to literature.

>> No.2674135

>>2674125
>>2674119
>>2674111
>>2674115
>>2674080

You idiots will argue over anything. Even things which can be factually proven.

Kipling was born in India, so he's an Indian writer. But all the founding fathers were technically subject to the British Crown, so Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin have to go on Team Britain.

Idiots.

>> No.2674136

>>2674132
>wipe the asses

i...don't really think that's what you want to say here

>> No.2674138

>>2674130

>Petrarch, Ovid, Virgil

Roman, not Italian. Anyone with even a passing familiarity with the history of Rome knows that these are two separate things.

Should have had Boccaccio in there though. I've never actually read Il Gattopardo, but I suppose Lampedusa can join team Italy just before we capitulate.

>> No.2674139

>>2674136
No, but he is correct.

>> No.2674141

>>2674136

I thought he was saying that Russian literature is so poor that the only use for it is toilet paper. Did I misinterpret?

>> No.2674145

>>2674141
They are so much beneath them that they even have to wipe their asses due to their incompetence.

Not hard.

>> No.2674147

>>2674135
>Kipling was born in India, so he's an Indian writer.

India was part of the British Raj then, and so also subject to the British crown.
Britain also gets every commenwealth writer pre 1940's.

>> No.2674149

>>2674145

>They are so much beneath them that they even have to wipe their asses due to their incompetence.


Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? Learn English before you start arguing about it you moron.

>> No.2674151

>>2674135
It isn't an argument.

Wilde was born in Ireland, fact.
He claimed to be an Irish national, fact.
He lived and wrote his plays in England, fact.
At the time of his life, Ireland was apart of the UK, fact.
He supported Irish independence, fact.

While Ireland was apart of the U.K. , it does not make him English (British) due to the fact that the U.K. has always been a union of the countries of the British Isles. Culture wise, they are very different.

Besides, his biographies list him as an Irish author. He goes into team Ireland.

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2674153

>>2674147

Not just the commonwealth, the entire empire.

France can claim a lot of writers too (as if they needed any more to win)

>> No.2674156

>>2674149
I think he means it literally. There ae so many works beneath US writers that the incompetent Russians literally have to wipe their asses for them. I personally think this is a bit generous towards the Russians.

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2674159

>>2674151

>It isn't an argument.

Carries on arguing.

>> No.2674161

>>2674156

>There ae so many works beneath US writers that the incompetent Russians literally have to wipe their asses for them.

This doesn't make any fucking sense either. Is it idiot day on /lit/? No-one seems capable of using the English language.

>> No.2674166

>>2674161
That makes perfect sense. He means the Americans love it when the Russians bend before them and wipe their own asses with pages torn from crime and punishment.... I think.

>> No.2674168

>>2674159
What he's saying was right, but that was a little silly.

>> No.2674178

>>2674168
He's not right. The OP states Team Britain, not Team England. Ireland was owned by the British Empire back then. Just like Northern Ireland is still owned now.

>> No.2674179

I'm British and this is a load of bullshit.

>> No.2674185

>>2674179
>NO U

>> No.2674195

>>2674178

It doesn't matter. Oscar Wilde was an Irishman. That is the reality of it and that is what his biographies state.

>> No.2674212

>>2674138

By this logic, Goethe wasn't German because there was no Germany when he was writing, unless you're making the language, and not the geography argument.

>> No.2674220

>>2674195
>Implying Ireland wasn't part of the United Kingdom before 1922
>2012

>> No.2674230

>>2674220
>Implying there was no such thing as Irishmen before 1922
Try and sell that one

>> No.2674240

>>2674230
If Tolkien wanted to identify himself as being from Dorset not England it wouldn't mean shit, he was still born in the UK, as was any Irishman before Ireland gained independence. It doesn't matter how many times you insist otherwise. He was still born in the UK.

By your logic he cant be regarded as European - "No he's not European, he's Irish because he was born in Ireland".

>> No.2674255

>>2674240
a. Tolkien was born in South Africa.
b. The existence of the whole does not negate the existence of the parts. You might regard Wilde as part of UK literature or Irish literature and you would be equally right. The one does not exclude the other. Even though Scotland is still part of the UK there is definitely something like Scottish culture and therefore literature.

>> No.2674330

Nabokov published Lolita in France first.. so would you call Lolita french novel or an american novel since the writer at the time was living in the united states ?

i know this is dumb question.

>> No.2675228

>>2674135
>All the founding fathers were technically subject to the British Crown, so Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin have to go on Team Britain.

You butthurt, Amerifags?

>> No.2675233

WHY IS THIS FUCKING THREAD STILL ALIVE

FUCK YOU ALL

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2675250

>Team Black
Ralph Ellison
James Baldwin
Alex Haley
Jean Toomer
Richard Wright

>Team White
Stephanie Meyer
Stephen King
Sylvia Plath
Megan Boyle
E.L. James

>> No.2675273

>>2675228
No, not really, actually.

Everyone has to argue about who is better than who and no one understands that literature is meant to be a worldwide thing. You fuckers are all caught up in arguing amongst yourselves that you don't even know what you're talking about anymore. It's just a fuck you here and a you're gay there.

This is my first trip to this board and it will most certainly be my last.

>> No.2675280

First of all, you should restrict yourself to writers in the same medium instead of mixing up novelists, essayists, and poets. For example, if you put up Shakespeare, that's poetry, so why is there no Pound or Williams or Stevens or Eliot on the American side?

>> No.2675281

Even /b/ shows more respect than you guys. And there is literally no purpose to their threads.
PS: that's saying something.

>> No.2675282

>>2675273
>>2675273
Your first trip to this board, and you jumped right in to an obvious troll thread and moaned about the shitposting?

>> No.2675283

>>2675273
>This is my first trip to this board and it will most certainly be my last.

Your feelings don't matter.

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2675285

>>2675281

>/b/ shows more respect than you guys

>> No.2675288

>>2675281
>>2675281
>Even /b/ shows more respect than you guys.

Respect to dead Authors? We read their books. We enjoy and appreciate them too. Why cant we have a little fun?

>> No.2675290

>>2674117

>No Dante
>No Dante
>No Dante
>No Dante
>No Dante
>No Dante

>No Dante
>No Dante
>No Dante
>No Dante
>No Dante
>No Dante

Shit nigga, why don't you just make up a list of the greatest Greek writers and leave off Homer.

>> No.2675292

>>2675228

Um, they were politicians more than they were writers.

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2675299

>>2675292
Britain claims the Declaration of Independence, because it was written while America was still under UK sovereignty.

>> No.2675306

>>2675299

Yeah, well, who gives a fuck. It's nicely worded for a political document, but Jefferson wasn't fucking Solon.

>> No.2675576

>>2675299
Fuck you

>> No.2675648

>>2674255
You're right.

>>2674240
>>2674212
You both (or if the same person) are wrong.
Oscar Wilde was an Irish writer, it is even in his biographies.

Oscar Wilde = Team Ireland

>> No.2675882

>>2675283
>implying your's do.

>> No.2675916

I think Rowling is bad enough to balance out all the rest of team Britain

>> No.2675932

>believing in the validity of nation states

If half these writers knew they had become little more than tools for philistines /lit/ to use in some inane dick waving contest, they would not have written a single world.

>> No.2676633

>>2675916

No, Rowling is better than both Stephanie Meyer and Suzanne Collins.

>> No.2677484

>>2676633
Nope

>> No.2677772

bump

>> No.2677792

doesnt mean shitvif you are a britfag or an amercunt if you are a great author/genius...

>> No.2677803

>>2660562
so borders decide which are great books and what is shit...
tell me how many books you have red, books give a damn on states and shit! they are FREE and thats why i love them... i am no fan of america either but books are just... you know books

>> No.2677807

>>2677803
>tell me how many books you have red

About 32 blue, but only 8 red.

>> No.2677815

>>2660509
Nigga you is cherry-picking. We've got P.K.D., Ray Bradbury, and Robert A. Heinlein.
wait...

7/10 OP, you got to some people.

>> No.2677818

>>2677815
He's been getting people for nearly a week, this thread was made last wednesday.