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Anonymous Sat May 12 22:01:23 2012 No.2636494 [Reply] [Original]

So I asked my professor for a list of recommendations to get into philosophy. This is the list he gave me. What do you guys think? Anything else you would add?

Plato: The first four dialogues or so: Defense of Socrates, Euthyphro, and the Crito. Plus the wonderful Symposium. And of course The Republic.

Kant's Groundwork of the Metaphysic of Morals

Arthur Schopenhauer's Essays & Aphorisms

Nietzsche's The Birth of Tragedy, Beyond Good and Evil, The Anti-Christ, and On the Genealogy of Morals. (Translations can be pretty tricky, but Kaufmann is always solid, and I'm partial to H.L. Mencken's translation of The Anti-Christ.)

Freud's Civilization and Its Discontents

Herbert Marcuse's One-Dimensional Man

Baudrillard's Simulacra & Simulations and America

Peter Singer's Animal Liberation and Writings on an Ethical Life

Slavoj Zizek's The Fragile Absolute

>>	Anonymous Sat May 12 22:04:22 2012 No.2636503 File: 100 KB, 600x446, p2037_peter_singer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636494 >Peter Singer >dat goatfuckers apologist Nope.jpg

>>	Anonymous Sat May 12 22:12:23 2012 No.2636521 >teacher confirmed for entry level fag that just wants to get the paycheck to buy drugs

>>	Anonymous Sat May 12 22:16:23 2012 No.2636530 >>2636503 Hey, if the goat likes it...

>>	Anonymous Sat May 12 22:20:22 2012 No.2636542 File: 43 KB, 344x517, 1278641165625.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2636521 The guy asked his prof for some books to "get into" philosophy, and your criticism is that the books mentioned are entry-level?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 12 22:31:23 2012 No.2636578 So...no constructive replies? Just the typical pretentious responses. Thanks /lit/

>>	Benny Profane !!gqdihmBfv+n Sat May 12 22:32:23 2012 No.2636580 >>2636578 Very few people here actually know what they're talking about

>>	Benny Profane !!gqdihmBfv+n Sat May 12 22:33:23 2012 No.2636584 >>2636580 Myself included. I know scant about philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 12 22:33:23 2012 No.2636586 >>2636542 hahahaha

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Anonymous Sat May 12 22:34:23 2012 No.2636590

>>2636578
Everything until Nietzsche is obviously classic, the stuff after that is questionable.

I'd forego the Mencken translation of the Anti-Christ by the way. From what I've read about his interpretations of Nietzschean philosophy he gives a rather social darwinist, Randian twist to it.

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Anonymous Sat May 12 22:40:23 2012 No.2636607

Pretty good, yo. I'd recommend reading all of Plato, but that selection will get you a good start on his rejection of sophistic logic, the general persona and outlook of Socrates, and a bit of his metaphysics. Definitely reread The Republic after you've read the rest of Plato though, so you can fully grok it.

The rest is honestly pretty good, I think. The Kant and Schopenhauer are a little sparse, but their primary works are huge, and the Nietzsche selection will probably get you interested enough to go back and read them later, without being too heavy in and of itself. I'm less experienced on the other stuff, but it looks good enough as an intro and teaser. Especially the Baudrillard and Freud, but I'm biased against Singer and Zizek.

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Anonymous Sat May 12 23:01:27 2012 No.2636681

>>2636578
I'd add Bertrand Russell's The Problems of Philosophy for a brief introduction to philosophy as a running dialogue with emphasis on epistemology and logic. It's a very good primer for thinking constructively yet remaining critical.
Hume's An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding would be a good thing to read as well.
Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus would be something to look into as you dig deeper, as well.

Your list is already pretty heavy with continentals, but I'd definitely recommend Foucault over Zizek. He takes a little more work to read, but it's more rewarding in a sense of having your interest piqued and then satisfied. He's also far more influential as a thinker, as well. Madness and Civilization is a good place to start, although The Order of Things is interesting but more dry.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 12 23:08:28 2012 No.2636700 >>2636590 So he should forego a translation because you read somewhere that it was Randian? Please stop giving advice.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 12 23:08:28 2012 No.2636701 A reading of Debord's Society of the Spectacle will give Baudrillard's work much more clarity.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 13 00:20:29 2012 No.2636886 >>2636701 >>2636681 >>2636607 Thanks for the input guys. I'm obviously going to be starting with Plato, but after that, is the order in which I read these works relevant?

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Anonymous Sun May 13 00:26:27 2012 No.2636899

>>2636681

OP: Don't DON'T read the Tractatus. Yet.

I will give mine:

Aristotle's Organon (this will open you a lot of doors language wise, it has to do with the logic of language, categories and structure or thought)
Francis Bacon's Novum Organum (written in 1620 it is in some way a spiritual successor or Aristo's Organon)
St. Augustine's Confessions (or at least summaries)
Saul Kripke's Philosophical Troubles volume one

>>	Anonymous Sun May 13 00:28:28 2012 No.2636902 >>2636899 >suggesting Kripkenstein before Tractatus

>>	Anonymous Sun May 13 00:30:28 2012 No.2636909 >>2636902 I can do it too >suggesting Tractatus before Kripke

>>	Adorno !VGOK6fUxDA Sun May 13 00:44:28 2012 No.2636932 File: 25 KB, 400x352, dontknownothing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does he have a phd?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 13 00:51:28 2012 No.2636943 First of all, what's your professor's subject? What's you educational background. I think these need to be known before any good advice can be given.