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Hey /lit/ what's some good reading on 'persuasion'? Meaning writing on the human decision making process and how it can be manipulated.

I've read

http://www.amazon.com/Influence-Psychology-Persuasion-Business-Essentials/dp/006124189X/ref=sr_1_2?s
=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1335215592&sr=1-2


But I'd like something more academic. Maybe some writers in psychology? I don't know.

>> No.2585682

How to Make Friends and Influence People ~ Dale Carnegie


Every other approach is shit.

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>> No.2585694

>>2585682
>>2585689
This is the opposite of what I want. I found the book I listed on Amazon annoying because of all the guys personal stories and fluff.

Maybe I should of just asked for suggestions on psychologists to read.

>> No.2585703

>>2585694
>implying a psychologist would have more insight than a PUA

>> No.2585716

You can manipulate people by studying logic. And by studying, I mean actually training yourself with loads of logic problems. This will effect neuroplasticity, your brain will become more efficient, you'll understand the parameters and angles of any situation: You will be able to manipulate situations and people as most people have pisspoor logical ability and won't be able to catch when you cheat.

>> No.2585721

>>2585703
>faggot who thinks 'psychology' = 'mind control'

enjoy your shitty pseudoscience.

>> No.2585724

>>2585721

Psychology is for Jews and feminists too stupid to study philosophy.

>> No.2585726

>>2585716
Socrates had pretty good logic. But they made him drink hemlock.

>> No.2585733

Jane Austen's "Persuasion"

>> No.2585736

>>2585726

Socrates wasn't trying to manipulate people--he told them what they knew was true and didn't want to hear, and so they killed him.

>> No.2585746

>>2585736

he was trying to subvert the youth of athens. if he wqasn't trying to manipulate people he would have never opened his mouth

>> No.2585760

>>2585724
>>2585724
No, it's for Jews and Feminists too stupid to study: The Neurosciences

The only way a Psychologist would earn any respect is if said psychologists is also a psychiatrist at the very least.

>> No.2585767

>>2585746

Manipulation connotes deception. Thanks.

>> No.2585781

>>2585760

Psychologists and psychiatrists are of equal stupidity, it's just that psychiatrists are also eccentric perverts and enjoy the idea of controlling with chemicals. Neurology and psychology are far more disparate than philosophy and psychology. Psychology is nothing but a completely arbitrary, STATIC philosophy tailored relative to the society in which it functions that is forcibly applied practically--it is a dangerous joke.

>> No.2585812

bump for the green Asian!!!

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ASIAN THREAD!!!! GOGOGOGOGOGOGO!

Oreba: Rinko Kikuchi!

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2585940

Hey Mr. Jack,
Is that the mouthwash in your eyes?

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I'd still like suggestions.

>> No.2586284

You mean a rhetoric textbook? Yeah, get one of those.

Or, if you want to influence clever people, then you need critical thinking and logic. So get a textbook on those.

>> No.2586425

>>2585736

Romantic revisionist bullshit.

His crimes in the eyes of his contemporaries were far more substantial. From their point of view he was indirectly responsible for the ruin of Athens in the Peloponnesian War (via his student and friend Alkibiades) and the horrific tyranny of the Thirty afterwards (via his student and friend Critias).

His real crime was preaching a philosophy that produced Critias and Alkibiades, not "telling people what they didn't want to hear." I'm sure people were just as immune to introspection and self-improvement then as they are now.