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Is truth relative?

>> No.2521218

reality is relative

>> No.2521217

Part of it.

>> No.2521221

read plato and aristotle you fat fuck

>> No.2521223

truth is relative, facts are not

>> No.2521232

If truth is relative, isn't the truthfulness of this affirmation relative ?

>> No.2521233
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2521233

"truth" is a word

>> No.2521235

Relativity is relative.

>> No.2521240

is?

>> No.2521266

TRUE DAT HOMESNATCHRUNNER

>> No.2521267

truth is a human concept

everything proveable can be true or false (like in math)
everything you need to belive in can be true for one and fals for another person

>> No.2522950

Are human concepts equal to reality?

>> No.2522973

>>2521214
subjective truth is relative. objective truth is indefinite, but functions intersubjectively and within communication as facts. truth is a label most commonly used as fact, so the most applicable answer is: no, truth is objective cause that's the most commonly referred intention of the word. Personally I would say yes, definitely relative.

>> No.2522977

>>2521267
So does this mean truth is relative to the context it's used in?

>> No.2522984

>>2522950
is reality a human concept?

>> No.2522987

>>2521267
>everything proveable can be true or false (like in math)
the above statement is false

>> No.2522992

>>2522977
yes. so what context does you use it in, OP?

>> No.2522998

>>2521214
depends

>> No.2523013

>>2521214
No, opinions of truth are relative. Truth is truth.

>> No.2523038

i can prove you all wrong
but i choose not to

>> No.2523249

Truths are facts. How those facts are interpreted are subject to the perceiver. What am I missing?

>> No.2523289

>>2523249
that truth is a human concept

>> No.2523302

Truth is a social construct

>> No.2523304

>>2523302
but society is a true construct

>> No.2523316

>>2523302
No morality is a social construct not existing outside of human subjectivity, but truth exists independantly.

>> No.2523318

Truth is subjective but there is congruity between subjective states.

This is unobjectionable and settles the matter once and for all. Seriously don't even both replying to this thread now.

>> No.2523319

>>2523316
Does it? where does it hide? i've never seen it.

>> No.2523320

>>2523316
Truth (or lies) cannot exist without language. It is impossible to have truth amongst a pride of lions for example because they can't communicate.

If there were only two people on the world and they both believed in god, the fact that god doesn't exist is irrelevant to 'truth' because the concept exists in their minds and language.

>> No.2523321

>>2523320
>social coordinated hunting behavior
>can't communicate
what?

>> No.2523322

>>2523319
Its not a material object. Truth is the accepted naming of an object between multiple people.

>> No.2523323

Truth is absolute. The ultimate Source of the Truth is God.
/thread

>> No.2523325

>>2521232
oh if i had a nickel....
sure it sounds self refuting but it comes from the mistaken belief that relativism itself is an idea like the systems it describes and can therefore be held relative to something else.
relativism isn't a virtue only a procedure

>> No.2523327

>>2523322
so it's a social construct?

>> No.2523328

>>2523321
OK Lions aren't very articulate then.

>>2523322
>Truth is the accepted naming of an object between multiple people.


If thats...true.. then the god analogy would hold. The two people have decided that an apple should be called an apple, and that god is sat there on a cloud playing a harp. the fact that he doesn't exist has no relevance on reality, because he exists in their perception of reality. So when they talk about him they are being truthful to each other.

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2523329

>get bored of whatever board I'm browsing
>check out some of the ones I frequent less often
>eventually get to /lit/
>see thread with vague philosophical question
>mfw
every time
does this stuff not weigh on your minds all the time?

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2523331

>>2523328
>So when they talk about him they are being truthful to each other.

>> No.2523336

>>2523327
Well yes, truth and untruth can't exist without a being intelligent enough to comprehend the concept.

>> No.2523340

>>2523329
Give it 10 mins and they will start on existentialism and the inherent nature of morality.

>> No.2523345

>>2523331
Yes I know how that sounds, I'll try and word it differently, english isn't my first language.

With no one else to contradict their belief, the actual state of truth or untruth becomes irrelevant. the same way morality ceases to exist when the burden of ethics is split 50/50 between two people - whatever they believe is right or wrong is correct to them with out the external bias of a society.

>> No.2524030

>>2523323
this.

to say "truth is relative" is nonsense. it is absolute by definition. what is relative is the facts it takes as a basis. "there are no facts, there are only interpretations" Nietzsche