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[Anonymous No.2493716]

Nietzsche is still the master philosopher.
Modern philosophy has at best produced distillations and applications of Nietzsche -- see Wittgenstein and Plank for examples.

When will someone finally break from and surpass Nietzsche? I don't want to spend a decade or more carefully writing just to be pre-empted by someone else.

[Anonymous No.2493720]

>When will someone finally break from and surpass Nietzsche?

in terms of having brain damage from syphilis or in terms of being really really bad at getting laid

[Anonymous No.2493726]

>have a B.A. in Philosophy
>be a M.A. student in Philosophy
>never studied or read a single paper that talks about Nietzsche

OP confirmed for babby's first philosopher and thinks he understands at all.

[Anonymous No.2493731]

>>2493726
Cute.

[Anonymous No.2493732]

>>2493716
Read Guenon and abandon your silly idea of modern "progress."

[Anonymous No.2493733]

>>2493726

But like, contemporary, mainstream academic philosophy doesn't really care for continentals in general, yeah?

[Anonymous No.2493736]

>>2493726
Nobody gives a fuck about philosophy majors (aka historians of philosophy).

[Anonymous No.2493739]

>>2493726
lmfao you mastered in philosophy

that's like wanting to be a scientist so you get a degree in electrical engineering

[Anonymous No.2493741]

>>2493732
And adopt what? Retrogression?

[Anonymous No.2493747]

Contemporary philosophy consists of wanking about problems so specialized that no one except for philosophy professors can understand them.

[Anonymous No.2493746]

>>2493726

You've never read Nietzsche, Genealogy, History by Michel Foucault? Wow. That kind of sucks. Sorry for your loss.

[Anonymous No.2493752]

>>2493741
Traditional metaphysics. Try some of "The Crisis of the Modern World" on GoogleBooks.

[Anonymous No.2493758]

>>2493752
see >>2493731

[Anonymous No.2493760]

If you think Wittgenstein is a distillation of Nietzsche then you don't know shit. Wittgenstein is Jewish writing. As anti-Christ, Nietzsce is simultaneously the anti-Jew.

When will someone surpass Nietzsche at his own game? The name is Martin Heidegger.

[Anonymous No.2493764]

>>2493758

[Anonymous No.2493768]

>>2493760
What the fuck am I reading?

[Anonymous No.2493777]

>>2493732
>>2493752
>>2493764

These. Traditionalism is one of the only worthwhile "philosophies" of the past few centuries.

[Anonymous No.2493780]

>Wittgenstein
>application of Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.2493781]

>>2493780

He didn't even read Nietzsche until later in life.

[Anonymous No.2493782]

>>2493777

MY VALVE

OH FORTUNA

[Anonymous No.2493787]

>>2493782

What about your slimy, gangrenous vulva you half-witted troglodyte?

[Anonymous No.2493792]

>>2493787

i'm glad you're playing along

tell me about the time you took the bus to baton rouge

[Anonymous No.2493794]

>>2493782

eh... not exactly.

[Anonymous No.2493796]

>>2493760
>Nietzsce
>anti-Christ

heh

[Anonymous No.2493802]

>>2493720
everyone on /r9k/ has him beat on the latter front

[Anonymous No.2493804]

[Anonymous No.2493816]

Nietzsche is of the lowest rank of philosophers. Totally disorganized and unable to articulate fully. Where you got this idea that he's the best is probably a story involving low-grade marijuana and community college.

[Anonymous No.2493836]

>Read Nietzsche
>HURR WILL TO POWER I LIEK THIS PHILOSOPHY IS BEST PHILOSOPY

I was a 10th grade, depressed fatty looking for a source of strength too, OP. Philosophy is bigger and better than Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.2493838]

>>2493816
I feel for those community college low grade marijuana smoking bastards, they probably don't even OWN books but have to check them out into order to get their feedcrack legit lit

[Anonymous No.2493847]

>>2493716

stop idolizing personalities and focus on the merit of their ideas.

[lang reform guy No.2493879]

>>2493847
Hard to know what Nietzsche ideas (if any) were since he is an awful writer.

[Anonymous No.2493891]

>>>Philosophy is bigger and better than Nietzsche.

Nietzsche is bigger and better than philosophy (fixed).

[Anonymous No.2493919]

>Wittgenstein and Plank
>Plank
Max Planck?

[Anonymous No.2493921]

>>2493847

Ideas are a bore.

[Anonymous No.2493926]

>>2493879
The translations into English are thorny at best, yes. He wasn't a savant incapable of communicating himself.

[Anonymous No.2493932]

>mfw People

[Anonymous No.2494620]

Eh I wouldn't say master philosopher, though I would agree that he prefigured a lot of modern philosophical thought.

Wittgenstein and the philosophy of language? prefigured by Nietzche

Freud, the unconscious and psychoanalysis - Nietzsche

Quine's attack on the synthetic a priori - Nietzsche

Pragmatic theory of epistemology? - Nietzsche

Hell i can even find ideas similar to evolutionary psychology and memes (though i may just be reading them into the text)

The thing with Nietzsche is that he didn't analyze and explore these ideas as deep as these other thinkers. His writing is much more literary and aphoristic and therefore it is a turn off for many philosophers. At the same time, it makes for an easy read while being really easy to misunderstand (as well as hard to translate). This has made Nietzsche the poster boy for pseudo intellectuals who never bothered understanding Nietzsche's predecessors like Kant or Schopenhauer.

So yeah he was a kind of crazy genius. Nietzsche is sui generis and you either love him or hate him. I personally really enjoy reading him. For me reading Nietzsche isn't like reading other philosophy, you don't have to agree with him, just go along for the ride, it's a very crazy and fun ride if you know what he's doing.

[Anonymous No.2494669]

itt

[Anonymous No.2494700]

If Nietzsche were truly a master philosopher, he wouldn't have been so insecure and sad. All Western philosophers are unbalanced lunatics.

[Anonymous No.2494719]

>>2494700
I just wanna get in bed, and cuddle up with your sweeping generalizations. Awww!

[sate !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 No.2494730]

>>2493760

I know you're a troll or at least a sandnigger, but it should be said that wittgenstein was a continuation of a general mechanism of Nietzsche's thought. nietzsche was the 'death of metaphysics' exposing the intentions of most western philosophy to be deeply rooted within the philosopher's fear and pride, with their egos giving birth to far fetched metaphysical/ontologically charged ideas. wittgenstein showed how these problems developed through language games, further continuing the death of metaphysics as we see with post-witt positivists.

[Anonymous No.2494731]

>>2493720
Nietzsche didn't have syphilis.

[Anonymous No.2494738]

>>2494719

I want to get on floor-lodged mattress and sexually penetrate the cranium of your arbitrary dysphemism.

[Anonymous No.2494746]

>>2494738
As opposed to "All Western philosophers are unbalanced lunatics."?

[Deep&Edgy !UfFKGtFx2M!!/0aWHODYBc0 No.2494749]

>Pragmatic theory of epistemology? - Nietzsche
yeah you wish buddy

[Anonymous No.2494756]

>>2494746

They are all unbalanced lunatics. You would understand this if you weren't so limited.

[Anonymous No.2494757]

>>2494756
Help me man, i don't want to be so limited. I want to see the insanity of everyone's thought but that of my own!

[Anonymous No.2494758]

the only reason so many other subsequent philosphers were influenced by his work is because it was so aphorisitic and lacking in rational defenses that most of the claims needed justifications or refutations. see "love of fate", or most of his writings directed at christianity.

[Anonymous No.2494762]

>>2494757

It's funny to read you be so sure of yourself. It's like watching a dog.

[Anonymous No.2494764]

>>2494758
But that's wrong you fucking retard. All he needed was a good exegete, which he got in Kaufmann.

[Anonymous No.2494771]

>>2494762
So cynical...

I'm serious man, help!

[Anonymous No.2494773]

>>2494771

Bark bark. Woof woof. Go about your little activities.

[Anonymous No.2494774]

>>2494773
I'd make a bet you're a taoist or something of the like; no reasoning and all poor allegory.

[Anonymous No.2494779]

>>2494774

I'd make a bet you are too fucking stupid to have ever connected to the Tao. Oh what's that? You haven't? You think it's fiction because you believe what all your friends believe? You follow the herd? You're unwilling to explore the infinite possibility of universal energy? Ya, that's what I thought. Stick to Western philosophy. Taoism has nothing to do with allegory anymore than anything else that uses allegory to help idiots like you understand.
Note: I am not currently connected to the Tao, and so I'm free to be an ass.

[Anonymous No.2494788]

>>2494779
肛门伤害

[Anonymous No.2494800]

>>2494788

Brain damaged, brainwashed Westerner.

[Anonymous No.2494817]

>>2494779
>implying you can be disconnected to the tao

>talking about shit you dont know and making horrible mistakes/being a bad troll
>2012

[Anonymous No.2494826]

>>2494817

Of course you can be disconnected from the Tao. Are you fucking stupid? You don't know what you're talking about. You think you understand Taoism from reading about it? You are a joke. Shut up and stop confusing people.

[Anonymous No.2494830]

That this thread has become a spastic mess really only seems natural when you begin with "Nietzsche is still the master philosopher."

I can't see it going any other way.

[Anonymous No.2494833]

>>2494826
>Mystic wants people to stop confusion.

I don't know what's going on, yaweh.

[Anonymous No.2494838]

>>2494779
lol 5 star post, my friend

[Anonymous No.2494842]

>>2494779
Are you naruto?

[Anonymous No.2494849]

>>2494842

Kyuubi no jutsu!!!!

[Anonymous No.2494850]

I'm sorry OP, but really it's all Kant and Plato. Footnotes if not.

[Anonymous No.2494854]

>>2494850

AGREED!

[Anonymous No.2494860]

>>2494826
>>2494817
Jeez, you guys talk about the Tao like its some 'thing'.

[Anonymous No.2494867]

>>2494860

It's everything, which in a certain sense, is some 'thing.' But feel free to argue ignorantly.

[Anonymous No.2494877]

>>2494867
Taoism is now propagated by the party to subjugate the Chinese populace through philosophies of intellectual satisfaction and hence apathy.

[Anonymous No.2494880]

>>2494877

That is not Taoism. True Taoism isn't much of an intellectual activity--not in the academic sense, and no one connected to the Tao would ever wish to dominate another person or thing.

[Anonymous No.2494881]

>>2494880
Exactly why the party is 'embracing' it again.

[Anonymous No.2494885]

>>2494881

The Tao will deal with them.

[Anonymous No.2494888]

>>2494730

the 'mechanism' of his thought, as if thinking were a machine. Very impressive, sir dilettante.

the mass cultural mystique of 'post-modernism' has trivialized the seriousness of german philosophy and created a mania of post-this and post-that, so that average morons like yourself get on chans think they are big shit. The Internet also trivializes.

Wittgenstein is still a 'metaphysician'. One could say that metaphysics already ended with Aquinas. One could say that Metaphysics ended before it began with Parmenides and Heraclitus or that were it not for Christianity metaphysics would never have been metaphysics. But the cottage industry that has risen around Nietzsche, Heidegger and their shitty french epigones provides a nifty narrative that allows people like you to feel smart, without having read a goddamn thing, in or outside college.

[Anonymous No.2494892]

>>2494885
Haha, said like a true zealot.

I suppose china never did revel in anything but the duties imposed upon them.

[Anonymous No.2494894]

>>2494730
>wittgenstein
>continuing the death of metaphysics

pick one

[Anonymous No.2494897]

>>2494892

I'm not a zealot; I'm just experienced. The Tao seems to be very attentive to intention, and negative intentions seem to inevitably reap negative consequences. I do not believe in the Tao because I think it's "cool" or a nice "story." I'm an empiricist, I employ the scientific method, and I have experienced connection to the Tao through meditation that I developed through my intuition. If you are not intelligent enough to do this, then please do not think it's impossible for everyone else.

[Anonymous No.2494899]

>>2494730

the 'mechanism' of his thought, as if thinking were a machine. Very impressive, sir dilettante.

the mass cultural mystique of 'post-modernism' has trivialized the seriousness of german philosophy and created a mania of post-this and post-that, so that average morons like yourself get on chans, after stopping by Wikipedia, and think they are big shit after broadcasting the regurgitated bile of what they read 5 minutes ago, albiet in stupider form, no doubt.

Wittgenstein is still a 'metaphysician', but this means nothing for you since you don't even know what that is. One could say that metaphysics already ended with Aquinas. One could say that metaphysics ended before it began with Parmenides and Heraclitus or that were it not for Christianity metaphysics would never have been metaphysics. But the cottage industry that has risen around Nietzsche, Heidegger and their shitty french epigones provides a nifty narrative that allows people like you to feel smart without having read a goddamn thing, in or outside college. That and your cultural impoverishment, or simply cluelessness, interprets any reference to Jewishness with the contemporary frenetic activity of the SPLC. There are quite a few academic Jews that rightly claim Wittgenstein for their own, including the biggest Jew of them all, Harold Bloom.

[Anonymous No.2494900]

>>2494897
It's not your method I'm concerned about: it's the manner of its employment.

[Anonymous No.2494902]

>>2494899

We read your little thoughts already. Shut up.

[sate !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 No.2494905]

>>2494888


i chose 'mechanism', you fucking idiot, not because im presupposing some sort of determinism, but because im talking about a genealogical approach, therefore not just an idea, but an applicable method, which is more similar to the term 'mechanism' than 'idea'.

>One could say that metaphysics already ended with Aquinas.

lol

>Wittgenstein is still a 'metaphysician'.

it is clear from your overall confused post that you think i am referring to metaphysics as the entire field, but im only referring to unnecessarily charged metaphysics

see >>2494730 >ontologically charged ideas.

Wittgenstein was obv. writing on metaphysics. Next time re-read a post if you are confused instead of responding,

[Anonymous No.2494906]

>>2494902
Hush yourself, I'd prefer to listen to him over your whiny objections.

[Anonymous No.2494908]

>>2494900

The manner of the employment of what? Taoism? Knowledge? Experience? Western philosophy is a bunch of unbalanced lunatics using their minds to masturbate. If you knew what it felt like to connect to the Tao, you would realize how incorrect even the most brilliant Western philosophers have been--even more importantly, how pointless their work has been.

[Anonymous No.2494911]

>>2494906

And yet, somehow, your preferences do not concern me. Odd.

[Anonymous No.2494913]

>>2494908
another five star post, my friend

[Anonymous No.2494917]

>>2494908

You don't seem to understand that everyone is not identical to you and what soothes your spirit won't necessarily soothe the spirit of someone who is not sympathetic to your fundamental aesthetic. preferences and beliefs. Just like a Christian.

[Anonymous No.2494927]

>>2494908
You called that anon an 'ignorant western dog' before, but to call you 'dogmatic' would be an understatement.

china/10

[Anonymous No.2494935]

>mfw studying Phenomenology of Spirit

Assumptions on top of assumptions. Shieeet, the least he could have done was not start dividing shit up and offering contradictions in his work by saying the parts are the whole but they are parts which can recognize the whole. That's not even applicable to reason but fundamentally unreasonable. Then you got the Hegelian dialectic, which thoroughly misuses Heraclitus by offering it's own inherent contradictions, fucking tearing through the work as some divine shit passed own through the ages. Let's ignore causality, being, time and try to jam the metaphysics Kant sought to let go of back into the work through another angle. All his notions of consciousnesses and it's stages are something he derives from cognitive experience and something i think Kant would be against seeing as how Hegel is trying to bring the "thing in itself" stuff to the pragmatism but then wanting to divide what can be really real from the real? There is virtually nothing to bring in since a "thing in itself" is also a notion derived from cognition. He divides the subject and the object again by implying that they ever regurgitated or have anti thesis in the first place. My jimmies are beyond themselves from the rustling at this point.

Now i can see why Schopenhauer was so buttmad at this guy. Were we talking about Nietzsche? Whatever.

[Anonymous No.2494938]

>>2494935
You don't understand Hegel? 2deep4u.

[Anonymous No.2494945]

>>2494938

>Hegel
>Deep

Pick one and only one.

[Anonymous No.2494946]

>>2494938
>Understood Hegel and disagree
>2deep4u

[Anonymous No.2494947]

>>2494905

with 'genealogy' I assume you are referring to Foucault. The irony of this is that not only does the genealogy 'step back' from methodology itself, since it only seeks, in the mode of Foucault and Derrida's Deconstruction, 'logocentrism', but 'methodology' itself is 'logocentrism'. In addition, Nietzsche himself despised 'methodology', which he called "systematizers".

So not only is there no method "to apply", as you say, but in the particular case of Nietzsche there is, generally speaking, no 'center' to be found, which is why he was so attractive to Foucault and Derrida. I'm just going to assume that you are just some butthurt adolescent that is dabbling with important things instead of a complete dumbass.

other than that, your charge of 'confusion' comes off as empty innuendo. In any case, you have certainly made an ass of yourself.

[Anonymous No.2494948]

>philosophy
>relevant
Haha, if you're not doing philosophy of math, then you're wasting your life. Go be a writer or a scientist, metaphysics died with Greece.

[sate !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 No.2494952]

>>2494947

>with 'genealogy' I assume you are referring to Foucault.
>thinks Foucault invented genealogical method.

gtfo

[Anonymous No.2494954]

>>2494948
You're a what? Photographer of bats? Well good on you son!

[Anonymous No.2494960]

>>2494948
Ethics

[Anonymous No.2494964]

>>2494952

I assumed you were referring to him, not implying that Foucault was the 'creator'. But that was a weak defensive gesture, just like petulant child being corrected by the parent.

As a know-nothing, you are familiar with wikipedia, so here is a link. Hmmm, look at that big section on Foucault!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogy_(philosophy)

[sate !!1Fa7LzeI6u8 No.2494966]

>>2494947

honestly, do you people just google what you don't understand and write off of what you read there?
the level of retard in this board is laughable.

[Anonymous No.2494968]

>>2494897
>I have experienced connection to the Tao through meditation that I developed through my intuition.

shut the fuck up already

its not even a good troll

[Anonymous No.2494969]

>>2494966
Educated and unreasonable is no way to get ahead in life.

[Anonymous No.2494971]

>>2494966

well poor baby, you've been thoroughly owned anyway. You can shutup now.

[Anonymous No.2494978]

b-but OP
He has already been surprased.

[Anonymous No.2494983]

>>2494971

What are you, 12?

[Anonymous No.2494997]

>>2494983

What are you, a virgin?

[Anonymous No.2495002]

>Modern philosophy
>Wittgenstein and Plank
stopped reading there.
what kind of scholar are you to refer to Wittgenstein as part of "modern philosophy". The modern period in philosophy is pre-Nietzsche, not post (eg. Kant, Leibniz, Spinoza). I assume you meant post-modern or contemporary. Until you can frame your critique in the framework of the history of the discipline you seem to be so enamored with, I bid you good day.

[Anonymous No.2495006]

>>2494983

>Constantly uses ad hominem attack's.
>Is insecure when others point a phallacy in his reasoning.
>Has a simplified notion of what metaphysics are and Wittgensteins discourse, probably has not read anything by Wittgenstein, Derrida, Foucault or even Nietzsche, yet spouts nonsense to get attention.

I got bad news for you buddy.
You are one of the worst wannabe philosophers on /lit/ and there are a LOT of them.

[Anonymous No.2495023]

>>2494978

finally, someone who knows!

[Anonymous No.2495029]

>>2495002

he meant modern as in contemporary you doofus; no one actually uses the terms modern and post-modern in real life

they have no meaning and are arbitrary creations by Humanities professors, each having different meanings depending on who you ask

stop talking and never type a word again

[Anonymous No.2495031]

>>2495002

modern = contemporary

is english your second language or are you dense as shit?
Genuinely curious, please respond

[Anonymous No.2495035]

>thread about philosophy becomes an argument in semantics

It's like I'm really in a University course!

[Anonymous No.2495041]

>>2495031
The modern era, not 'modern' as an adjective.

[Anonymous No.2495045]

All philosophy is completely useless... I don't see how you guys haven't noticed that yet.

[Anonymous No.2495047]

>>2495035
I'd fucking well hope it was semantic, else it'd be fucking meaningless.

[Anonymous No.2495055]

>>2495045
Why?

[hakas !u/t2Vf0FFs No.2495059]

>>2495045
a babby isnt born with grey hair asshole

[Anonymous No.2495065]

>>2495045

>All philosophy is completely useless

all uses are useless, whats your point

[Anonymous No.2495066]

>>2495059
I'm sure at least one must have been.

[Anonymous No.2495096]

>>2495065

My hands are useful for opening bottles of wine and typing to you that I just opened up a bottle of wine. All uses are not useless. Your hands are probably useless though. Your philosophical treatise can be called "My Useless Hands Keep Forgetting When to Stop Masturbating: A Exploration of Dry Skin"

[Anonymous No.2495100]

>Western philosophy

[Anonymous No.2495101]

Jesus, you people.

>>2494811
0 replies

>>2494786
10 replies, all jokes

This thread?
Over 100 replies.

[Anonymous No.2495105]

>>2495101
wait what's your point? parody threads don't hav emuch use besides parody

[Anonymous No.2495110]

>>2495100
see earlier china posters.

[Anonymous No.2495122]

>>2495101

/lit/ ignores obviously shit threads, your point?

[The Importance of Being On Time and Being !dAqyKvNZuA No.2495126]

>>2495105
>implying this isn't a parody thread

[Anonymous No.2495137]

>>2495126
oh yeah i wasn't around much lsat night so i couldn't tell and it s more plausible than sonic or shaekspeare

[übermench No.2495149]

wait for it