/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.2474420]

I want to be able to call a suicide hotline and convince them that there is nothing wrong with committing suicide and that it really makes no difference to live or die. I want to debate the person who answers the phone and completely convince him of my views and make him/her feel despair and completely give up trying to help me. What is the branch of philosophy I should read in order to accomplish this?

I'm not trying to be dark n edgy by the way, this is just an scenario.

[Anonymous No.2474430]

Why do you want to be able to do that?

[Anonymous No.2474429]

I don't think those people debate with you and try to reason with your or something. They are probably just some indian workers that get paid $3 an hour to call the police and get them to stop you.

[Anonymous No.2474437]

So you want to argue that suicide is justified, but don't have any arguments to support your position? This should go well ...

[Anonymous No.2474444]

>workers that get paid
actually I think they're all volunteers. Think about that.

[Anonymous No.2474461]

>>2474444
Is this what philosophy majors do with thir PhDs?

[Anonymous No.2474468]

>pushing a belief down a stranger's throat
>doesnt even have an arguement

well, fuck your shit, OP

[Anonymous No.2474471]

Hegesias is your man, OP.

> [...] wrote a book called Death by Starvation (Greek: ἀποκαρτερῶν), in which a man who has resolved to starve himself is introduced as representing to his friends that death is actually more to be desired than life, and that the gloomy descriptions of human misery which this work contained were so overpowering, that they drove many persons to commit suicide, in consequence of which the author received the surname of Death-persuader (Peisithanatos).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegesias_of_Cyrene

[Anonymous No.2474480]

<- This nigga can put the Übermensch on prozac

[Anonymous No.2474485]

OP, your depressed pessimism is chemical, genetical, heredical and pathetical. You can't convice people of it.

[Anonymous No.2474486]

I wonder what it's like to spend all day listening to people depressed beyond human measure and very possibly be the last person they speak to before they off themselves.

How can one maintain a positive outlook on life, or do these people have extremely positive attitude on life because of what they go through daily?

[Anonymous No.2474488]

>>2474486
They feel justified if even one person is saved from despair because of them

[Anonymous No.2474492]

>>2474429
yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.2474493]

>>2474486
Au contraire, the volunteers probably get to hold forth about life/death with a captive, sympathetic audience of kindred spirits. Sounds pleasant.

[Anonymous No.2474531]

>>2474493
>>2474488
I want to believe!

[Anonymous No.2474589]

Seems like an interesting idea, I'd love to hear someone who knows his shit do this.

[Anonymous No.2474632]

post how we are all the universe and the universe is expanding and we are just experiencing its expansion at an astronomically low perception of time and are all one consciousness and just the universe becoming aware of itself and evolving to a higher consciousness("universe") and that we will all be brought back in the future with technology we cannot even comprehend in this day and age.

and our existence at this "time" is basically hell or purgatory if you want to use a religious metaphor

and record it for /lit/

[Anonymous No.2474630]

>>2474485
pathetical

[Anonymous No.2474635]

>>2474632
I mean tell him or her, not post

I need to stop spending my existence on 4chan

[Anonymous No.2474683]

babby's first existentialism crisis?

[Anonymous No.2474709]

>>2474632
We are all made of stars, and stars were made from the big bang, billions and billions of years past, our "existence" is but a microcosm. And we are the universe, the same matter just changing over the time, the insignificant short time that we last. the universe as "we" see it(we think of ourselves as something separate from the universe, which is true in a sense) is a consciousness. Nature is a consciousness, just a different consciousness. "We" are the next step and level of consciousness. We are the universe becoming aware of itself. What happens when we become completely aware of all that there of the prior consciousness is unknown. But humans, and maybe even dolphins, whales, and other forms of self-awareness elsewhere through space and time are contributing to this awareness, this consciousness.


pic related, /b/ did used to occasionally have great posts

[Anonymous No.2474742]

Suicide isn't illegal because it's inherently evil. being here is the same as not being here. Everyone is free to commit suicide. But it's illegal because of the practical implications for those left behind, like rehoming the children after the parent gases him/herself.

[Anonymous No.2474755]

>>2474630
Poetic license, Brit.

[Anonymous No.2474757]

>>2474420
ive done this, but the person i was talking to was just to uneducated to undestand what i was talking about.
you want to read: dostojewky's "demons", camus "the myth of sisyphus", " the stranger", and " the plague". go on with all of nietzsche, all of schopenhauer and most of kafka. existential nihilism is really easy to explain to anyone willing to think.

http://abstrusegoose.com/317

[Anonymous No.2474847]

>>2474709

that was interesting.

[Anonymous No.2474863]

>>2474757
thanks, I've already read most of the works of Camus but I'll check out the rest

[Anonymous No.2474894]

>>2474757
> nihilism

Such a cop out and great way of avoiding all responsibility.

Seriously, are you 12?