/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.2442546]

Just unreadable

Fuck you /lit/

[Anonymous No.2442550]

>subtext is too much for me to handle fuck you guys for making me feel so inadequate

[Anonymous No.2442561]

>>2442550
Not OP, but yes, essentially.

[Anonymous No.2442563]

grow some sense of shit, OP

[Anonymous No.2442567]

Ulysses is perfectly readable if you're well educated and widely read. Finnegan's Wake, less so.

[Anonymous No.2442570]

>>2442567
well educated and widely read or intelligent? Can someone of average, or slightly below average, intelligence learn to make sense of it?

[Anonymous No.2442573]

>>2442567
A portrait of the Artist as a young man is more readable than Ulysses
*insert something about Ulysses being overrated*

[Anonymous No.2442575]

Did you try reading from left to right?

[Anonymous No.2442578]

>>2442573

Yes, that's true. And The Lord of the Flies is more readable than Portrait. That doesn't mean Portrait is unreadable. Have you considered that your reading comprehension is currently insufficient for adult literature and you need to apply yourself?

[Anonymous No.2442581]

>>2442570
You need to be widely read to understand the references.

[Anonymous No.2442589]

>>2442581

There are reference guides for that. There's really only a handful of things you need to know to follow the plot. Review the plot to Hamlet, read an overview of Plato and Aristotle, get a basic knowledge of Irish history, etc. Shit like Blake, Tennyson, Milton, Homer, Dante are bonus points. You could prep to read Ulysses in under an hour.

[Anonymous No.2442596]

>>2442578
> implying that comparing Ulysses, Finnegan's Wake and A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man in the matter of their readability requires reading them first
> implying that I haven't read the said texts
> implying that you are better educated than me
> implying that I give a fuck

[Anonymous No.2442599]

>>2442596

Your post is unreadable, bro. I'm going back to GRRM.

[Anonymous No.2442600]

>>2442589
Interesting. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.2442604]

>>2442599
Who or what the fuck is GRRM? I've been seeing this everywhere..

[Anonymous No.2442608]

>>2442604

George "Reading Rainbow" Martin, writer of that A Song of Fire and Ice fantasy series.

[Anonymous No.2442607]

>>2442604
George R R Martin
these douchebags think they look cool for writing it like this

[Anonymous No.2442612]

>>2442608

[Anonymous No.2442615]

>>2442612

Ulysses is one of the few things that brought him joy.

[Anonymous No.2442618]

>>2442615

Forgot my pic.

[Anonymous No.2442619]

Is Ulysses in English too hard for someone who reads mostly in English while it's not his mother tongue?

I'm very interested in Greek mythology (although I've yet to read Homer's Iliad & Odyssey…).

[Anonymous No.2442622]

>>2442619

I guess it depends at what level you're reading. It's not that bad, really, but there are a lot of puns.

[Anonymous No.2442620]

>>2442619

>Interested in Greek mythology
>Never read the key texts for Greek mythology

Get your shit together, you clown.

[Anonymous No.2442626]

>>2442620
what this post says: >>2442619

also, if you are interested in something, or want to pretend like you are, do some research..get to know your stuff before trolling. At least do a decent job of trolling, man. This is just pathetic.

[Anonymous No.2442628]

>>2442626
Shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.2442629]

[Anonymous No.2442631]

>>2442620
>>2442626
What? Just because I haven't read Homer means I can't like Greek things? I must be a failure then.

>>2442622
Thanks, I read Crichton? King, Nabokov, Stoker. So I think I've a good reading level. I'll try to get some excerpts before buying it though.

[Anonymous No.2442636]

>>2442631
Crichton and King are pulp fiction crap, but if you're getting on with Nabokov there's no reason not to at least attempt it.

[Anonymous No.2442642]

>>2442629
go back to reddit you flaming faggot

[Anonymous No.2442645]

no no i get most of the references

i just don't get why

i'm two chapters in and it's just people talking about random shit, eating breakfast etc.. i mean there's no plot forming yet

[Anonymous No.2442647]

>>2442645
>I'm 20 pages into a 650 page novel
>WHERE'S ALL THE PLOT!?

[Anonymous No.2442650]

>>2442647
>i enjoy reading page upon page of pointless drivel

good novels make you want to keep reading

[Anonymous No.2442651]

>no no i get most of the references
>people talking about random shit, eating breakfast etc..

[Anonymous No.2442655]

>>2442650

It is good, though. I thought your issue was the whole plot hasn't unfolded yet. If you're hoping for sword fights or warfare or something, look elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.2442674]

So what exactly is the point, just a retelling of the classic story?

[Anonymous No.2442675]

>>2442596

> implying saying 'implying' and using green text are witty, original and intelligent things to do

PROTIP: They arem't

[Anonymous No.2442691]

>>2442674

It's very loosely a retelling of The Odyssey. It's got its own whole thing going on. Read the book, then make a thread about this.

[Anonymous No.2442698]

Good idea to read The Odyssey first then? or not necessary?

[Anonymous No.2442707]

>under-read teenagers trying to read Ulysses for hipster cred

[Anonymous No.2442708]

>>2442707
Shut the fuck up. You may not dress like one, but you think like one.

[Anonymous No.2442711]

>>2442698
It's not only a good idea, but in a general scale of difficulty it would be best to have read The Odyssey before Ulysses anyway. Like, if you haven't read The Odyssey then it's likely that you're not very well read, so I don't see what the rush is to tackle the end boss of the canon when you have so much other stuff to get through first.

[Anonymous No.2442715]

>>2442711
Are there any essential reading lists you'd recommend for someone who is interested in becoming more familiar with Western literature? How do you feel about the "Harvard Classics" compilation?

Here's the first 10 volumes

VOLUME I
His Autobiography - Benjamin Franklin
Journal - John Woolman
Fruits of Solitude - William Penn
VOLUME II
The Apology of Socrates - Plato
Crito - Plato
Phaedo - Plato
The Golden Sayings of Epictetus - Epictetus
The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius - Marcus Aurelius
VOLUME III
Essays, Civil and Moral - Francis Bacon
The New Atlantis - Francis Bacon
Areopagitica - John Milton
Tractate on Education - John Milton
Religio Medici - Sir Thomas Browne
VOLUME IV
Complete Poems Written in English - John Milton
VOLUME V
Essays and English Traits - Ralph Waldo Emerson
VOLUME VI
Poems and Songs - Robert Burns
VOLUME VII
The Confessions of Saint Augustine - Saint Augustine
The Imitation of Christ - Thomas a Kempis
VOLUME VIII
Agamemnon - Aeschylus
The Libation-Bearers - Aeschylus
The Furies - Aeschylus
Prometheus Bound - Aeschylus
Oedipus the King - Sophocles
Antigone - Sophocles
Hippolytus - Euripides
The Bacchae - Euripides
The Frogs - Aristophanes
VOLUME IX
On Friendship - Cicero
On Old Age - Cicero
Letters - Cicero
Letters - Pliny the Younger
VOLUME X
Wealth of Nations - Adam Smith

[Anonymous No.2442766]

>>2442715

>Poems and Songs - Robert Burns

[Anonymous No.2442773]

>>2442715

Was this list compiled by T.S. Eliot, or am I pulling that out of my ass?

[Anonymous No.2442778]

>>2442773
You're thinking of the cannon.

Ive forgotton who was in it, Conrad definately was and possibly Austen.

[Anonymous No.2442780]

>>2442773

Charles W. Eliot, not T.S.

[Anonymous No.2442783]

>>2442773
>>2442778
But after a quick google search it appears im pulling that out of my arse as well. Disregard.

[Anonymous No.2442843]

Ulysses in my view belongs in the same garbage heap as Gravity's Rainbow and The Infinite Jest. It's not that I don't think naming names is not literature, it's just that anglo-saxon writers do it so crudely and completely outside of a hermetic, (pseudo-)academic context where such discourse belongs (cf. Borges, Eco, Kiš, Pavić).

[Anonymous No.2442850]

>>2442778

>cannon

dickwipe.

[Anonymous No.2442975]

>>2442843
>Joyce
>Anglo-Saxon

What the fuck am I reading..

[Anonymous No.2442979]

Samuel Beckett is superior imo

[Anonymous No.2442982]

>>2442843
>The Infinite Jest
>in the same train of thought as Ulysses and GR

See how I know you're fucking idiot?

[Anonymous No.2442984]

>>2442843
This is the first I'm I've encountered white racism. Awesome.

[Anonymous No.2443498]

>>2442984
No it isn't, you retarded fuck. White people get treated with more racism than any other race, because it's socially acceptable and not considered racist to be prejudiced towards whties.

Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.2443533]

>>2443498
I think he meant OVERT white racism in a context where the person could be reasonably held accountable for their words even within the confines of an extremely liberal worldview.