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I was at a party a while back discussing book choices in a heated sort of way with this dicky guy. Out of nowhere he says 'What did you just go to the penguin classics section or something'

I can't stop thinking about it it's like I'm listening to only radio music rather than discovering the lesser known gems. Is this true with books? (What triggered his reaction were mentions of Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky) I know I shouldn't care but I do

>> No.2436683

Lol that is some ultimate hipster shit right there. The penguin classics are too mainstream? Wtf lol.

>> No.2436685

Also OP, admit that Penguin publishes the nicest books to actually look at

If I were told that I could only own Penguin books I would probably be okay with it

>> No.2436692

Maybe you should be able to justify your choices for How Come Dosty and Tolsty Are So Good And Important To Read (Or HCDTASGAITR as we say in the trade).

Like did you even talk about Dosty's influence on 19th and 20th C philosophical thought? The mastery with which he deals with particular social and philosophical concepts?

>> No.2436701

>>2436692
You should be able to realize the significance of a great novel simply by reading it. Fyodor Mikhailovich and Lev Nikolaievich certainly manage to evoke that feeling.

>> No.2436707

Sounds like a dick.

And what type of shit did he read?

>> No.2436705

>>2436701
I doubt OP's actually reading D&T directly. It's difficult to discuss that feel in a meaningful way when you're already removed from the work in question by a translator.

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>>2436707
Talked about some French Philosophers I'd never heard mentioned before I dunno I think I will just take it that he was butthurt I rejected his advances moments before and was taking it out on beautiful literature.

>>2436705
I wish more than anything I could read the books in their native language but I assume this would take years to get to such an advanced level of understanding

>>2436692
What the fuck are you talking about? it sounds like I agree though

>> No.2436721

He was right, OP. Fucking casuals man...can't even into Henri Bergson...also:
>he doesn't like my shit taste in books
>he wants to fuck

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>>2436721
Well the purpose of this thread was to educate me on levels of literary obscurity and if it is worth looking into but trolling is cool too. lol I knew someone would get butthurt about the rejection comment

>> No.2436727

>>2436685
Hell no! Penguin classics have like the worst print, blank spots, varying thickness and faintness.

Everyman's Library are the best printers.

>> No.2436730

Obscurity does not mean quality but serious study or even serious appreciation for literature will eventually lead you to some obscure places...it's a process that you just have to be curious to endure...like if you read Dostoyevsky, why not try other Russian writers? Once you've moved away from Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy, the russian scene gets obscure relatively fast....the positive aspect in all this is intellectual curiosity, the desire to see what is over the next horizon...it's not always hipster elitism

>> No.2436737

>>2436715
>>2436692
I was saying it somewhat in jest, but it probably would have helped you. His French philosophers will be influenced one way or another by 19th Century Russian literature. Unless he's talking about real old philosophers, but I somehow doubt that.

There was a really good reading list for a lecture course, but can't find the bookmark. These are fairly good though for talking about the above:
http://www.utoronto.ca/tsq/DS/index.shtml
http://people.brandeis.edu/~teuber/dostoevskybio.html

Also, hipster books:
http://stommel.tamu.edu/~baum/literary.html

>> No.2436742

>at a party fencing your dicks around with some other pretentious reader

jesus christ. Go get laid, you pathetic fuck

>> No.2436753

the most popular books are popular because they are good. music is more subjective because there are so many separate genres

don't feel bad for reading the classics. anyone can create catcy music, not many can write good books.

>> No.2436757

>>2436753
>implying concept of genre isn't subjective
There are 3 musical genres, and so many written genres it's essentially a spectrum.

>> No.2436767

>>2436757

true, but its universally accepted what defines a certain genre

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>>2436742
I'm a lady and the said dick barged into a room where I was sitting on the bed. It's sad that you think two guys talking about books at a party is pathetic what's meant to be happening? Not alpha enough?

>> No.2436772

>>2436767
Tell that to the /mu/tants that want everything with a guitar effect to be "shoegaze".

>> No.2436776

Read Philosophy and Theory. Get into some /lit/ and theory classes and impress chicks. Most English departments in America are primarily female. You'll have numbers on your side and an arsenal of shit to make you sound smart.

But when you get there, fuck the bitches. Be pretentious and talk over everyone's heads. Then beat that dude to death with a copy of Das Capital. Fuck him up good.

>or just, you know, let it go.

>> No.2436783

The fuck is wrong with Penguin? Their books are nice.

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>> No.2437417

>I was at a party a while back discussing book choices in a heated sort of way with this dicky guy. Out of nowhere he says 'What did you just go to the penguin classics section or something'

Give us the whole story chump.

>> No.2437420

>>2436783

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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>>2437417
We were both smashed and it would be difficult to say but he asked me something about my favourite authors after he had been wanking over is own tastes for a little while

>> No.2437467

>>2437433

If someone told me that Tolstoy and Dostoevsky were their favorite authors, I would be pretty suspicious. It's not that the well-known greats, like Tolstoy and Dostoevsky are bad, it's just that literature offers so much more and those two seem like a very default answer. Honestly, I'd be happier if the person named off writers that I hated, at least she would be taking a stand. I guess it is about obscurity to some extent.

>> No.2437474

>>2437467
I don't know I think I'd just be happy that some random at a party has also read Dosty and Tolstoy like how picky can you be when you're not in /lit/.

>> No.2437478

>>2436753
There is only one good "genre" of music

>> No.2437499

>>2437433
What were his own tastes?

>>2437467
With this level of description, I'd definitely be suspicious if OP favoured Proust.

>> No.2437504

If you actually like James Joyce, Shakepseare, Dante, Kafka, Homer or The Bible, then you're probably faking it, sorry.

>> No.2437517

>>2437474

Tell me about it... These aren't fucking royal balls... If someone told me they could READ at the kind of parties I go to, I would probably suck/eat his/her dick/vagina. Let alone respectable literature. Not "I sparknoted the chocolate war in high school and it seemed pretty good".

>> No.2437519

What Adorno said.

>>>/b/
>>>/soc/
>>>/adv/
More proof that non homely girls are deficient.

>> No.2437524

>>2437504

What's wrong with Dante? And I also happen to think the bible has some kick-ass stories.

>> No.2437527

>>2437504
If you are for real, get off /lit/

>> No.2437534

>>2437474

I can be very picky.

>> No.2437539

>>2437504

"If your tastes aren't as obscure as mine then your a try hard... let me just rule out like 10 perfect examples of great literature... there... that should make me feel cool enough."

>> No.2437543

>>2437519
Where do you get off knowing who is homely here?

>> No.2437556

>>2437504

Do you actually think Kafka's an unenjoyable read? And Joyce's short stories? That's sad.

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>>2437504

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>>2437504
Kafka is very enjoyable.
Hamlet is a great play.
Joyce can fuck off.
Homer's Iliad and odyssey are great books/poems.

Never read Dante or the Bible, but you might be wrong there too.

Must suck being as unread as you. You're missing out.

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>>2437556
>Do you actually think Kafka's an unenjoyable read?
>implying use value of literature
>implying literature should abjure its autonomy

>> No.2437575

If you want to read the lesser known classics, all you need to know is:

New York Review Books Classics

Their whole catalog comes from putting back into print underappreciated classic works.

>> No.2437580

>>2437570

Lol yea ok. don't worry kid... literature isn't going to abjure it's autonomy.... shh no tears. Only dreams now.

>> No.2437582

>>2437565
>>2437562
>>2437556
>>2437539
>>2437527
>>2437524
goddammit /lit/

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>>2437582

>> No.2437597

>>2437592
yeah, that you didn't get the post was facetious

>> No.2437599

I've wondered about how people would perceive it if I went and took out all the "classic" books from the library all the time

it seems kinda comparable to having a big collection of "Greatest Hits" albums

>> No.2437603

>>2437597

There's nothing wrong with my face.

>> No.2437608

OP, are you from New Brunswick, NJ?

>> No.2437611

>>2437504
Kafka's good, you twat.

>> No.2437613

>>2437597

I find your post to be shallow and pedantic

>> No.2437615

lol, op that sounds like some shit i'd say to troll somebody irl.

>> No.2437619

>>2437599
>it seems kinda comparable to having a big collection of "Greatest Hits" albums
but upon closer inspection it's not.

>> No.2437623

>>2437619
hmm...interesting counterpoint

>> No.2437626

>>2437599

Read classics = get shit on

Therefore, don't read classics?

>> No.2437628

>>2437619
alright, it's like downloading greatest hit albums from classic rock bands or old school hip hop acts and claiming to have a deep understanding of the genre

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>>2437580
>don't worry kid... literature isn't going to abjure it's autonomy....
>infantilising the opposition
>claiming theory and praxis are not only demarcated but separate
How history repeats itself...

>> No.2437639

>>2437628

Or you could not claim to have a deep understanding of the genre and just enjoy great literature and talking about great literature. I don't understand why everyone who reads a book has to be a fucking literature guru...

>> No.2437652

>>2437628
not that either since taking books out from the library is nothing close to pretending to be an authority.

>> No.2437657

>go to a party
>complain about books

youredoingitwrong.jpg

>> No.2437662

>>2437640

Did your mother drop you on your head? Or do you really care about shit that doesn't matter? We're talking about books here... not a fucking new world order. Stop trying to impress yourself.

>> No.2437668

>>2437640

Go away Jürgen , you're scaring the horses.

>> No.2437689

>>2437640

>claiming big bang theory and proxys are not only derpmarcated but super cool

Look /lit/ I'm smart

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>>2437662
>We're talking about books here... not a fucking new world order.
>implying you are talking and not fetishizing
>implying the new is not the enternal return of the ever same
You should know this already.

>> No.2437711

you're thumbnail looks like old owen wilson

>> No.2437756

>>2437697

>implying the new is not the enternal return of the ever same

Do you impress yourself? Because that would make one person.

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>>2437697

>pictured here is my fav philosopher Rene Decartes
>implying I'm better than you
>implying that you favor the change of the everlasting clairvoyant casndecent clementine

I have become /lit/

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>>2437756
>Do you impress yourself?
>being surprised at narcissism in a one dimensional society
>not realising it can be emancipatory and ultimately allow reconciliation with nature
You even trying?

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>>2437803

As Thales (pictured) once said
>If my dick was long enough, I would sodomize myself
>implying what the fuck are you STILL talking about? No one here has a big enough neckbeard to understand anything your saying.

If by trying you mean trying to make sense of the senseless drivel you are spewing out?

No... No I'm not.

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>>2437841
>No... No I'm not.
>realising the necessity for non-identity
>beginning to embrace negative dialectics
Just as planned.

>> No.2437878

>>2437863

I would love to see you try to get your point across using... oh I don't know... sentences... tangible ideas... sense?

I still haven't been able to find who you're trying to impress... might be hiding with the fucks I don't give.

>> No.2437927

>>2437878
>I still haven't been able to find who you're trying to impress...
I laugh at this lest I cry! You know you're on an anonymous board, right? I see there's yet another new friend from reddit or something.
>I would love to see you try to get your point across using... oh I don't know... sentences... tangible ideas... sense?
Frankfurt school's been accused of a lot of things over the years.

>> No.2437937

>>2437927

You must be pretty smart. Whad'ya get for grades? C's?