Why is he controversial ?

[Anonymous No.23944414]

So my parents gifted me his book 12 rules for a life.

I’ve read it and it was a mid self-improvement book.

I didn’t who this Jordan Peterson was.

I’ve search him on YTB and Reddit and either people hate him because his a fascist masculiniste, only says basic things and his a hypocrite or people cite him as a anti-woke intellectual (not the same as the alpha/sigma cult) who tells the true liberal won’t hear plus he’s a doctor in psychology so he has a sort of legitimacy when he talks about human behavior.

Of course it isn’t black and white ie there’s nuances.

Now I come to /lit/ to see your opinions on his book and his person.

PS : Apparently there is a sequel to his 12 rules for a life. If you’ve read it would you recommend me or his just intellectual masturbation.

[Anonymous No.23944422]

>>23944414
same reason Rowling has an internet hate mob: anime pfps

[Anonymous No.23944460]

>>23944414
>Why is he controversial ?
Laughing stock is the words I'd choose.
Promoted by some deep pockets in corpo-america along with some others

>>23944422
JK was a legit hit with kids and then movie and advertising. Not exactly the same thing. There's no Jordan Peterson theme park coming.

[Anonymous No.23944659]

He didn't become famous for the book (it's a shit book anyway). He became famous for debating some midwit leftists and using his experience in clinical psychology to debunk some of the more retarded woke talking points - like how gender is a social construct, or how social power dynamics are an artificial system that can be dismantled etc. He had some really good points there.

Unfortunately he then became embroiled in the far-right daddy replacement grift, started talking about shit he has NO idea about like environmental issues and theology, and got hooked on benzos. Lost all his credibility with anyone with an IQ over 90.

Basically his self-improvement shit can be boiled down to "take responsibility for yourself, and then for others and you will live a fulfilling and rewarding life". It's a no-duh kind of statement but one that needs to be made nonetheless

[Anonymous No.23944664]

>>23944414
He's controversial because he stood up to trannies for approximately 12 seconds.

[Anonymous No.23944665]

He doesn't cry enough when talking about Zionism.

[Anonymous No.23944768]

lmao

[Anonymous No.23944805]

>>23944768
Posted it again award.

[Anonymous No.23944828]

>>23944805
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.23944846]

>>23944414
He is not so much as controversial as he is annoying

[Anonymous No.23945049]

>>23944665
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN2v_Bcjwtw

[Anonymous No.23945100]

>>23944414
> cry baby
> whiny little faggot voice
>fascist masculiniste

[Anonymous No.23945109]

>>23944664
His views on trans people are materialist which is at total odds with his views regarding religion. If you're willing to fixate on cultural narratives regarding Biblical events and the concept of a hyper-reality, as in his debate with Dawkins, then you should bring the same kind of philosophical machinery alongside when it comes to other issues too. If the narrative of an Exodus takes on a kind of truth because of intersubjective agreement and its diffusion throughout culture, then so does the trans narrative of "being born in the wrong body".

>>23944414
See above. The problem is that JP is duplicitous. He completely switches his philosophical camp when going from offensive to defensive positions.

This video also covers some of his more recent behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qroZWO5aQEM

I'm sympathetic to people to who are recently exposed to JP. He does seem very intelligent and thoughtful, because he is, but only selectively. Once you monitor him for a while, you start to see inconsistencies that don't reflect ignorance but reflect something more sinister.

People aren't against the concept of "cleaning your room", for one example. They're against the concept that getting your house in order should be some kind of mandatory prerequisite for changing things beyond your immediate environment. Defenders like to downplay JP here but his earlier interviews show where he's coming from. From his BigThink interview:
>"If you can’t even clean up your own room, who the hell are you to give advice to the world?"
>"My sense is that if you want to change the world, you start with yourself and work outward because you build your competence that way. I don’t know how you can go out and protest the structure of the entire economic system if you can’t keep your room organized."
The obvious counterargument is that there may be forces outside one's room that make cleaning it very difficult. Alternatively, that cleaning it might involve participation in a system that a person is morally or religiously opposed to. JP's argument totally lacks nuance because he's trying to delegitimize political organization among the youth who he sees as radical.

He also spent years rallying against postmodernism or postmodern neo-Marxism (which is always loosely defined, in stark contrast to the man who wants every single term defined perfectly regarding religious discussion), yet now believes in the notion of constructed truth, hyperreality, and seems to feel these are as important as physical truths. Like wtf JP?

[Anonymous No.23945143]

>>23945109
transsexuals are as delusional as religious retards. You're all low IQs in a cult that everyone outside your internet bubble laughs at

[Anonymous No.23945153]

>>23945143
That's hurtful ):
But my point is more about JP's motivated reasoning and inconsistent philosophy than specifically defending transgenderism.

[Anonymous No.23945163]

>>23945100
Is everyone who laughs at you a fascist?

[Anonymous No.23945180]

It's because he's pretentious and insincere.
He doesn't want (You) to have a better life and he doesn't want people to believe in God like people imagine him to. And if he did he wouldn't be paraded around by the dinosaur media. He doesn't even believe in God himself. He wants people to support wars for his own financial gain so he can do abuse anxiety medications, steers people to humanistic justifications for spiritual concerns, and has intense meltdowns over people he claims to pity rather than being gentle with them.
All of this to say none of his advice should matter to you at all. Get your truth from a good tree. All of Peterson's fruit is clearly bad.

[Anonymous No.23945199]

>>23945180
As true as this is, I'm sure what was happening to his wife is what really broke him mentally. Before he became a figure his lectures are quite insightful

[Anonymous No.23945251]

>>23945143
Projection!!

[Anonymous No.23945287]

>>23945251
ah yes I forgot how well liked chris chan impersonators are in society, its all projection

[Anonymous No.23945301]

>>23944414
>Why is he so controversial ?
Reminder that the autists stimming themselves by repeating the same nonsensical vitriol about Peterson, thread after thread for year after year, are pathetic ideologues and resentful idiots. His best feature is that he gets them to out themselves as such.

>libtard /lit/
Seethes that Peterson turns them into reactionaries by pointing out their bullshit.
>pseud /lit/
Thinks cynically dunking on mass media meant for a general audience is a sign of intelligence.
>chud /lit/
Thinks he's part of a Jewish conspiracy preventing them from having sex.
>tranny /lit/
Thinks he's a "literal nazi."

[Anonymous No.23945339]

>>23945301
I just think he's a charlatan

[Anonymous No.23945345]

>>23945163
are you a retard?

[Anonymous No.23945352]

>>23945301
>pseud /lit/
Thinks cynically dunking on mass media meant for a general audience is a sign of intelligence
It is though.

[Anonymous No.23945354]

>>23944414
>Why is he so controversial
Because he is an attention seeking drama queen with an inflated ego and cult like following.

He is essentially a self help author turned political grifter turned Lulcow that made a name for himself by being extremely oppinionated and vocal about subject matter that has either a sophomoric understanding or is entirely ignorant of.

Watch his debate with Zizek.

[Anonymous No.23945366]

>>23945352
>It is
You think so but all it really does is draw attention to your intellectual insecurities.

[Anonymous No.23945371]

>>23945354
>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
inb4
>he's a drug addict tho!
>his office was messy once!
>er...you don't have a dad!
>er...wash your dick!
>his daughter is a slut!
>y-you're Jordan
>he likes the Jews!
>he's controlled opposition!
Still triggering trannies who don't like the truth, libtards who propagandize, racists he won't associate with, and pseuds who can't tell the difference between a media personality and real life

[Anonymous No.23945420]

I remeber seeing, at one of his live speakings,a member of the audience easks peterson a question:
"How do you define what a religion is? Your use of the word seems a bit nebulous" and Peterson replied with: "It's how you act out your axiomatic assumptions" with no further elaboration.

[Anonymous No.23945445]

>>23944414
He read Hero With A Thousand Faces and he thinks that makes him a Jungian. If he's read any Jung he clearly didn't get it.

[Anonymous No.23945479]

>>23945445
Cool story, pseud. I'll take the professor's input over some sperg who doesn't understand levels of communication though.

[Anonymous No.23945518]

>>23944659
LOL

LOL

OH LOL.

[Anonymous No.23945525]

>>23944414
Is Jordan wearing lipstick in that photograph?

[Anonymous No.23945532]

>>23945479
Is that you Jordan? Or is it Mikhelia? I'm surprised either of you can solve the captcha.

[Anonymous No.23945574]

>y-you're Jordan (>>23945371)
>Is that you Jordan? Or is it Mikhelia? (>>23945532)
Get some new material, pseud.

[Anonymous No.23945629]

>>23945371
I did not make any of the criticisms listed.

[Anonymous No.23945901]

>>23945629
Nope, you just offered a shit tier opinion only someone as retarded as you obviously are would mistake as insightful and thereby worthy of polluting the thread.

[Anonymous No.23945909]

>>23945901
Try learning english, you esl shitskin.

[Anonymous No.23945914]

>>23944659
He appealed as an (unintentional and accidental) father figure who, at one time actually encouraged men and sympathized with them. (Now he just tells them to man up, and that women are just fine, nothing wrong with them, and won't acknowledge the elephant in the room as to upset his nepo-baby-girl who rode on his coat-tails). Used to really like him, but he just repeats himself now. He should of leaned HEAVILY into catering to boys and men, but that ship has sailed and now he's a fucking goof commentator at this point. Dude was a flash in the pan that's clinging on to sizzling out. Once he started making the big bucks he pussied out and now talks about success and wears goofy ass villian-tier suits.

[Anonymous No.23945921]

>>23945909
>REEEEEEE
Keep seething. Everyone knows you're too stupid to qualify what constitutes good writing and the fact you resort to baseless nonsense on a message board outs you as a pathetic pseud, lol.

[Anonymous No.23945922]

>>23944414
He looks like a roman senator we shall not name.

[Anonymous No.23945923]

>>23945914
>wears goofy ass villian-tier suits
Filtered. Want to make fun of his daughter to feel better about yourself?

[Anonymous No.23945927]

Only you can decide what to follow, good or evil. There is no Jesus or Satan.

[Anonymous No.23945934]

>>23945923
>Let me have my tits hanging as a full grown as woman with a child, out for my daddies (sons grandfather's) interview
>Let me ride on the coattails of my father's career
>Starts interviewing jacked steroid gym-rats that makes her panties wet
Counter-filtered. Dude fell off and now just argues his old points over and over and hasn't made an attempt to break any ground since he's found the sweet spot to make maximum YT cashflow with sterilized and repeated conversations. Him and his dipshit daughter can fuck off already.

[Anonymous No.23945950]

>>23945901
You aren't replying to me retard.
Also your behavior exemplifies my criticism.

[Anonymous No.23945953]

>>23944414
>Why is he controversial?
He's not a progressive.

[Anonymous No.23945955]

>>23945922
The great Roman Fagullus, lover of large cocks (Heliogabalus)

[Anonymous No.23945973]

>>23945934
>Want to make fun of his daughter to feel better about yourself?
Called it. Anti-Peterson retards are pathetically low IQ and therefore predictable.

[Anonymous No.23945992]

>>23945973
>Focusing on only one part
Low IQ bait regardless. I said I used to be a fan of his and saw through the bullshit once he kept repeating his points and stopped pushing on things. Yeah, and for a guy all about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps for men (and women getting crutches constantly) and then letting his daughter run her career off his back is bullshit. Especially her tagging along with dipshit commentary from time to time for interviews where she says or adds nothing of value with her tits hanging out. Doesn't change the fact too, he hasn't broken any new ground other than his revolving door talking points and dropping back into his safe-space of conversations because he kissed the ring. Lets hear another snake, dragon and/or clean your room quote and/or allegory from him for the thousandth time. You smoothbrained shill simp.

[Anonymous No.23946018]

>>23945992
>his points are invalid because I got bored hurr durr

[Anonymous No.23946028]

>>23946018
>Bored
>No depth other than surface level self-evident self-help information
Sorry anon you love him so much, maybe if you watch him a little longer you'll see the farce for what it is. Especially all his non-popular interviews and discussions. A pop-cultural psycho-analyst who originally was going places and on his way to making some changes in the world, kissed the ring and fell into stagnation. As his degenerate daughter running his social media and Jordan Academy with her tits out in every pic, kek. Their whole operation is strange.

[Anonymous No.23946034]

>>23946028
I stopped watching him once he said Joe Rogan has genius IQ. Like wtf, MAYBE you could claim that schizo stoner Elon Musk is more, but ROGAN? Yeah im sure hes the next Issac Newton, mmm mmmhhh.
Also his nuerotic roasty daughter is insuffrable.

[Anonymous No.23946036]

Buy a ad

[Anonymous No.23946042]

Imagine watching this and still taking Peterson seriously as an intellectual:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQTDEnfW4ng

[Anonymous No.23946051]

>>23946034
I stopped a few years ago, sometime after his second book, which I couldn't even get through the first fourth of it. I even read his goofy ass first half-baked book, 12 Rules for Life, which really, you can

[Anonymous No.23946058]

>>23946051
typo:
Which really is covered in most of his famous interviews, nothing of value was given, written or insighted upon.

[Anonymous No.23946110]

>>23945992
>used to be a fan
Oof, that's rough buddy. I hope next time and currently you do not and will not support any e-celeb again. The fact his popular is a troubling sign indeed.

[Anonymous No.23946155]

>>23946110
Still haven't learned english yet? Were are you from, Guatamala? Niggeria?

[Anonymous No.23946156]

>>23946110
It wasn't necessarily that he was popular that drew me to him originally. It was that he was one of the few who were actually interested in talking about or helping men. And not from the current zeitgeist of knuckling-dragging sub-human alpha/beta-meme Andrew-Tate auto-fellatio machoism incel culture war crap. In the beginning it seemed like he actually wanted to help men. Especially when he would break down in tears, saying he got a thank you or letter about how his insights helped some random guy. I think there is an extremely overlooked problem in society right now with regards to men and their issues. In that, any issues is outright ignored, silenced, humiliated, or told to be stoic and shut-up. He was slowly pushing in that direction of recognizing men's issues and problems. Then, I believe he got shamed away from it, be it from family, or outside influence, and he started skewing towards women's issues and the empathy changed towards them and away from men. Telling men to just to "man up" essentially and "take responsibility" despite the overlook of societal problems of men falling behind in almost every metric, financially, educationally, health-wise and suicidality and mental health. As well as medication abuse, which JP fell into himself, but that insight is lost on him because he became a rich little shit and he got his now, so fuck everyone else. But no, gotta change the spotlight and baby women again because, something, something patriarchy, men have all the power in modern society, especially the average man. (Which they don't)

[Anonymous No.23946161]

JP’s early lectures and his first book helped me get my life back on track when it was all fucked up. Sometimes you need simple advice like “stand up straight” and “take responsibility for your actions” It sounds simple and obvious but there are times when you need to hear it and if you’re not fortunate enough to have family or friends who can provide that, it’s good that it comes from somewhere. His ability to put together the great thinkers of the past’s thoughts and ideas and put them in a way that’s easy to understand and implement was invaluable to me.

However, after he got hooked on benzos and his daughter had free rein over him, everything he’s put out since have been shallow, reprehensible cash grabs and he’s reduced himself to a charlatan. If you watch his content, almost everything prior to ~2020 has something you can grab from it and use in your life that will improve it. He should have retired from the public eye after he got clean but mikhaelas whorish, attention seeking behavior and his own want for money pushed him to milk his followers constantly.


No, his second book is not worth reading.

[Anonymous No.23946175]

>>23946161
>AI chat-bot shitting out an opinion

[Anonymous No.23946176]

>>23946175
I’m not sure if someone thinking your reply is AI is a compliment or not.

[Anonymous No.23946249]

>>23945109
>His views on trans people are materialist which is at total odds with his views regarding religion. If you're willing to fixate on cultural narratives regarding Biblical events and the concept of a hyper-reality, as in his debate with Dawkins, then you should bring the same kind of philosophical machinery alongside when it comes to other issues too. If the narrative of an Exodus takes on a kind of truth because of intersubjective agreement and its diffusion throughout culture, then so does the trans narrative of "being born in the wrong body".
>See above. The problem is that JP is duplicitous. He completely switches his philosophical camp when going from offensive to defensive positions.
This is a very good point. And I say this as somebody who detests troons.

[Anonymous No.23946285]

yo get this controlled resistence fag out of my face

[Anonymous No.23946350]

>>23945950
You're an idiot seething about his betters on the internet. "Your" criticism isn't worth fuck all and never will be. You're a loser.
>>23945992
>writes predictable bullshit and thinks "his" opinions are worthy of attention
Didn't read. You're low IQ and unworthy of attention (probably why you seek it online with strangers instead of having friends irl).

[Anonymous No.23946372]

>>23945109
>His views on trans people are materialist which is at total odds with his views regarding religion. If you're willing to fixate on cultural narratives regarding Biblical events and the concept of a hyper-reality, as in his debate with Dawkins, then you should bring the same kind of philosophical machinery alongside when it comes to other issues too. If the narrative of an Exodus takes on a kind of truth because of intersubjective agreement and its diffusion throughout culture, then so does the trans narrative of "being born in the wrong body".
Show me the moral foundation and precepts that trans people and the trans ideology have developed besides walking the public streets in dog bondage and yelling online about genitals.

[Anonymous No.23946382]

>>23946372
>Show me the moral foundation and precepts that trans people and the trans ideology have developed besides walking the public streets in dog bondage and yelling online about genitals.
Go read Nehemiah where a trans sex slave engineer sock wearer literally builds the second temple.

[Anonymous No.23946400]

>>23944414
Jung attracts a very specific type of New Age boomer whose 'thought' is indistinguishable from fortune tellers' tarot card cold readings-- then there's the rank hypocrisy and obvious AstroTurf element to his career to say nothing of co-Authoring UN Agenda 2030 type white papers Life is too short to lavish any amount of attention on these second and third hand truisms from a fucking LEAF.

[Anonymous No.23946434]

>>23946161
>JP’s early lectures and his first book helped me get my life back on track when it was all fucked up
Imagine admitting to this publicly.
>If you watch his content, almost everything prior to ~2020 has something you can grab from it and use in your life that will improve it.
lol, lmao even

[Anonymous No.23946437]

>>23946382
>Go read Nehemiah where a trans sex slave engineer sock wearer literally builds the second temple
Yeah, that doesn't happen. Trannies are just mentally ill perverts who seek to justify their delusions by forcing others to play along.

[Anonymous No.23946448]

Being a die-hard Peterson stan and going to bat for him in 2024 is like being that retarded Japanese soldier who pretended he didn't know WWII was over and harassed harmless villagers until 1970s — you think you're standing up for honor and duty, but you're just a duplicitous retard IRL

[Anonymous No.23946452]

Peterson will touch a nerve by simply pointing out something that is blatantly ignored in the way an ideological group frames an issue. He exposes ideological blind spots in a simple and straightforward way; this leads to the fellow travelers of whichever idea is being discussed having a breakdown and exposing themselves. He's valuable as a media personality if even for that reason alone.

>Peterson: it would be productive to involve men in the conversation about violence against women in a way that doesn't label masculinity as inherently negative
>Libtard: so you're saying in order to make men care about rape women have to be returned to the status of men's property
>Peterson: the rise of identitarianism is linked to reactionary politics that sublimate personal resentment into collectivistic extremism
>Chud: so you're saying white people don't have group interests and therefore shouldn't exist
>Peterson: transgender ideology specifically targets a group of people likely to be confused and open to mental pathologies via social contagion--we shouldn't give hormones to children let alone surgically mutilate minors
>Tranny: so you're literal nazi saying we're a disease and we should be exterminated like one
>Peterson: anonymity increases the likelihood of pathological behavior so perhaps one way to alleviate the negative repercussions of its overall influence would be to segregate accounts on these specific widely used social media websites--it's definitely better than secret and selective control of the public narrative as it exists now
>/pol/tard: so you're saying you want everyone everywhere to be tied to whatever they say and do at all times...I'm a freedom fighter [goes to another thread to post about AOC's asshole while writing "nig*er" 50 times]

[Anonymous No.23946498]

>>23946400
>Jung attracts a very specific type of New Age boomer whose 'thought' is indistinguishable from fortune tellers' tarot card cold readings
Boomers trying to retool Jungianism into self-help programs all keep making the same mistake. Despite all Jung's idiosyncrasies, he was a trained psychiatrist, an actual medical doctor. He didn't have a degree in Liberal Arts word salad like Peterson, and guys like him that came before: James Hollis, Robert Moore and etc who used Jung's works to sell their self-help books. That means they keep misreading him on a conceptual level, like with Jungian archetypes, which are analytical tools, and not behavioral templates YOU are required to emulate to “sort your life out”.

[Anonymous No.23946514]

>>23945109
Good post. Everybody who knows anything should instantly recognize Peterson as a post modernist through and through, only when he reframes classic notions to fit in with his ideology, they still land somewhere on the right.
How can you decry relativists and skeptics and then ask without joking, "what does 'do', what does 'you', what does 'believe' mean" etc. Why would you wear this when you're the one who's established that suits are uniforms and uniforms are meant to make you uniform?

[Anonymous No.23946541]

>>23945371
>drug addict
>slob
>slut daughter
>ZOG mind slave
>was once a mainstream academic
>deradicalizes people
honestly these sound like great arguments to discount whatever he has to say. whatever research he did on drug addiction clearly didn't stop him from becoming addicted himself.

[Anonymous No.23946545]

>>23944414
He lost all credibility when he got embarassed by Zizek of all people.

[Anonymous No.23946555]

I thought he became famous for his battle against pic rel.

[Anonymous No.23946562]

>>23945371
it's hilarious how atheists are the scum of the world

[Anonymous No.23946585]

>>23946541
Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication. At the time it was being handed out like candy for pretty much anything because it was seen as harmless (you can easily find celebrities on late night talk shows joking about taking them). It is now rarely prescribed due to the fact it creates physical dependancy even at low doses over short periods of time and causes extreme withdrawal symptoms (up to and including death). Having an adverse reaction to a prescribed drug doesn't make someone a drug addict. There is no evidence he abused the medication (i.e. his experience became so common that the drug is hardly prescribed now).

When he initially sought treatment in Canada they wanted to give him SSRIs and misdiagnosed him. He took the initiative to research treatment options and went to Russia where a programme specifically developed for medication withdraw was available.

Immediately after his treatment he finished and published his second worldwide bestselling book. Within months he had organized and gone on an international lecture tour. He also published multiple articles and made some media appearances. He has also set up an accredited online university that will offer free degrees, organized a think tank to combat the hegemony of shit like the WEF, created an online interview series with hundreds of episodes etc...

The narrative that there was a character defining downward spiral into drug addiction is doesn't bare up to reality. I'm honestly embaressed so many people have been holding onto it for half a decade now. Imagine being so pathetically delusional that you parrot the same easily disproved ad homs in an autistic echo chamber for years on end thinking they land; in that time Peterson has gone on to much success.

[Anonymous No.23946623]

>>23944414
He tells "transgender" people they're wrong. Big nono in woke-landia.

[Anonymous No.23946744]

>>23946623
So does Zizek (and with much greater frequency lol) but the left still loves him for the most part.

The real reason as to why people don't like Peterson is because he's a charlatan that is taking advantage of alienated men to shill retarded culture wars shit that doesn't sincerely engage with the world at large.

He's a shit rolemodel and you need to grow out of him as a surrogate father figure before you become a painfully obstinate curmudgeon like him.

[Anonymous No.23946748]

He was never controversial. He just had video's targeted for boys. Then andrew tate came along and peterson became a funnel for the alpha grindset bullshit. Not that I don't think peterson wasn't overhyped. He had good production quality, at the time he cornered an undesirable market (men lol), and he knows how to talk.

[Anonymous No.23946775]

Isn't he a Russian Asset?

[Anonymous No.23946802]

>>23945366
No it doesn't. Criticism isn't a sign of insecurity, not being able to handle criticism is. I don't like mainstream media. I have my reasons. That's it.

[Anonymous No.23946803]

>>23946155
>were
I know you're a double nigger.

[Anonymous No.23946810]

>>23946452
Nice copypasta

[Anonymous No.23946813]

He used to be more alright in the past, but he's not been the same since the coma. Brain must've fried

[Anonymous No.23946916]

Anyone who takes advice from a man who is constantly angry and crying is a fool.

[Anonymous No.23946928]

>>23944414
I don't like how hard he shills for israel

[Anonymous No.23947099]

>>23945445
>If he's read any Jung he clearly didn't get it.
Jung was a quack, and all his ideas amount to creating a vague New Age unitarian religion without a structure, that's constantly straddling the line of straight-up occultism. Any psychotherapist or psychologist (like Peterson) who attempts to apply his ideas to create some system of habit mitigation is either a retard or a conscious grifter, because it's clear that improper socialization and negative imprints in the formative years can not be fixed with noumenal introspection

[Anonymous No.23947175]

>>23947099
You don't know jack shit. Give me 50 of Jung's most important ideas and counter them all with your own arguments.

[Anonymous No.23947623]

>>23946802
>Criticism isn't a sign of insecurity
Cool strawman, retard. No one is arguing criticism itself is a sign of insecurity (thanks for demonstrating the fact you're a dummy though).
>I don't like mainstream media
Oh wow. You must be a genius then! Lol

[Anonymous No.23947706]

Jordan Peterson's concern is that the advance of the more radical progressive left, with things like wokeism, critical race theory, feminism, etc., will make normal white men (normal is not gay) seek collectivist and tribalist ideologies as a form of self-defense. He particularly fears the consequences for minorities such as Jews.
To try to avoid this, he acts on two fronts. The first is to combat the most extreme forms of this insane progressivism. The second is by placating normal white men with individualistic ideas, because he is terrified that these young people will begin to discover the power of tribalism.

[Anonymous No.23947857]

>>23947706
"Wokeism" (which I would like to add is poorly by defined) and Critical theory aren't radical leftism, they are almost entitely driven by Corporate/Academic interest and is almost entirely unrelated to Marxist sentiments contrary to Peterson's characterizations.

Again, watch Zizek's debate with Peterson (or better yet just read Zizek).

>He is terrified that these young people will begin to discove the power of tribalism
Which is why he now works for Dailywire shilling culture war nonsense and headline articles in Fox news right? As much as Peterson would like to insist he has not at all a neutral party, he only helps to sow more artifical division.

[Anonymous No.23947867]

>>23947857
-I want to add: I forgot to distinguish the fact that "Wokeism" specifically is divorced from Marxist sentiments. Independant of Critical Theory (in it's various forms which do have their origins in Marxism)

[Anonymous No.23947876]

>>23944414
>gifted
Gift is never a verb. Ever. As a verb it is the ultimate cringe trite modernism. Gift is the noun form of the verb give. You give someone something, or give them something as a gift, but you never, ever gift someone.

[Anonymous No.23947896]

>>23947876
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gifted

[Anonymous No.23947973]

>>23947896
Fighting over definitions.
Is that what /lit/ has become?
r/atheism 2.0?
Fuck you guys, im going to /s4s/ or /r9k/, you're more likely to have an intelligent conversation there lol.

[Anonymous No.23948058]

>>23946514
nice post

[Anonymous No.23948065]

>>23947099
>it's clear that improper socialization and negative imprints in the formative years can not be fixed with noumenal introspection
oh drat

[Anonymous No.23948078]

>>23947973
Good riddance

[Anonymous No.23948099]

Fox News regime change propaganda but wrapped into stupid Dostoevsky quotes and Jungian analysis. Utter fucking charlatan

[Anonymous No.23948138]

>>23944414
He was all right as an intellectual and professor
As soon as he was pulled outside of that sphere, he fell apart and began a junky.

[Anonymous No.23948216]

>>23945109
>He does seem very intelligent and thoughtful, because he is, but only selectively. Once you monitor him for a while, you start to see inconsistencies that don't reflect ignorance but reflect something more sinister.

I feel like that's the case for most intellectuals and even philosophers, take it in small doses, with so many hours of podcasts and interviews JP does of course he would start saying something stupid at one point. He should've done way less to keep the allure.

[Anonymous No.23948283]

>>23944414
because he wants to be, and also because it pays.

[Anonymous No.23948286]

>>23944768
did he write this? as much as id like to give it credit for *seeming* eloquent, this is just plain creepy. im not sure if i'm understanding him fully but its a pretty sick confession.

[Anonymous No.23948345]

>>23944768
Now post the creepy grandma dream

[Anonymous No.23948352]

>>23946585
Dude, imagine being the groom here. Your wife's dad has this horrible health problem, you drop everything to help take care of him, and then your wife decides she wants to dump you and sleep with pick up artists while you take care of her kid. An embarrassing family, the Petersons.

[Anonymous No.23948602]

>>23946585
>in that time Peterson has gone on to much success.
Easy mode when you're wealthy and have nigh-infinite deep pockets.
>>23948352
More lore?

[Anonymous No.23948623]

>>23944414
He's not controversial, it's ignorant people that cannot fathom how science works because entire generations got told by their weak parents they can be anything they want, even if that clashes against the reality of biology and nature. Also, Peterson disproved decades of irrational and unproductive college programs based on pseudo science and feelings, now imagine those tenure professors seeing their salaries put to question overnight. People outside the study of psychology don't understand how the brain works, so they blatantly use subjective experiences and feelings to challenge Peterson and psychology all together.

[Anonymous No.23948628]

>>23944414
biographies and autobiographies are the best self-help books. they give you people to emulate and not to emulate

[Anonymous No.23948636]

>>23944460
>Laughing stock is the words I'd choose.
>Promoted by some deep pockets in corpo-america along with some others

Yes, yes, but all of this occurred in his Sequel Arc. The original Peterson was a mostly endearing and sincere character (and he hadn't yet sold out). Then he had his benzo breakdown in 2020 and came back from that somewhat broken. The deal he signed with the Devil (Ben Shapiro) in 2022 only made things worse.

Intellectually Peterson was always a very stimulating guy, but the new Peterson is boring, shallow and predictable, which is best illustrated by his bizarre fixation starting a couple of years ago on "troll-demons" and viewing literally every single psychological phenomenon through the frame of Big Five personality traits.

[Anonymous No.23948637]

>>23944414
wtf learn english before posting on the literature board you retard. did you read the book in english? yours is so bad, there's no way you comprehend even Peterson's basic bitch pontifications

[Anonymous No.23948647]

>>23948636
HOLY SHIT. I memory holed Mikhelia sleeping with Tate...

[Anonymous No.23948648]

>>23947876
No.

[Anonymous No.23948654]

I'd strongly suggest that OP read Scottish political philosophy and German idealism (in the sense "theory of ideas" not in the sense "nice things please.").

I suggest these because they connect with your efforts towards conduct in the world, and the justification of conduct in the world.

Peterson is a small intellectual who has been badly abused by the media apparatus. This makes his contributions appear even smaller than they are. You can probably save your reading of Peterson by reading Burke, Hume, Blackstone, Smith,

[Anonymous No.23948658]

>>23945420
Thats a pretty good definition, albeit unmoored from etymology. what issues do you have with it?

[Anonymous No.23948666]

>>23947857
>>23947867
Absolutely delusional. """Wokeism""", if it means anything, is the pop culture instantiation of academic ideas firmly rooted in critical theory and marxism. Radical feminism, the gayest kinds of black nationalism, intersectionality, etc. Zizek is completely irrelevant to the legacy of Marxism in american academia and popular culture.

[Anonymous No.23948733]

>>23948602
His daughter has a kid from another dude, she marries a stand up guy who is devoted to her and her family, she then dumps reliable husband after they both took Jordan to Russia for rehab and he was a rock for the family, and she then took pictures with one of the most notorious pick up artists alive today. She is literally one of the most odious despicable women imaginable, just goes to show Dr. Peterson's theories and parenting ability are all bunk. Even his own relationship with his wife is strained and cringe as evidenced by any time she happens to speak to him when he is streaming/recording youtube content.

[Anonymous No.23948744]

>>23948648
I hope someone gifts you hiv

[Anonymous No.23948819]

>>23948733
> She is literally one of the most odious despicable women imaginable, just goes to show Dr. Peterson's theories and parenting ability are all bunk. Even his own relationship with his wife is strained and cringe as evidenced by any time she happens to speak to him when he is streaming/recording youtube content.
Peterson is a dork who's morbidly afraid of women and doesn't really know how to behave/project masculinity around them, if you can read between the lines it's all over his books.

He was simping for his wife in highschool, but she rejected him and only settled for him years later when she was 29 after a string of other relationships, while Peterson was working hard to become a tenured academic and patiently waited around for her in the friendzone. As for his daughter, it's obvious they have some sort of very unhealthy quasi-incestuous dynamic going on, which was laid bare in particular during his benzo-coma saga — when he was wasting away while she became this outwardly sexualized Instagram influencer turbowhore with an eye on his estate. It was like a Dorian Gray/portrait story unfolding IRL.

All in all, it's very clear that Peterson is not in control of women in his life and family. Considering this, I really can't imagine how anyone could take any sort of life advice from him, especially on how a man is supposed to act.

[Anonymous No.23948838]

>>23948819
>As for his daughter, it's obvious they have some sort of very unhealthy quasi-incestuous dynamic going on,
I'm no fan of Peterson and most of what you said is valid but..what? I think you're looking too deeply into this.

[Anonymous No.23948842]

>>23944414
Lol your parents give you self help books?

[Anonymous No.23948845]

>>23947623
>You must be a genius then! Lol
But I am though. Anyone with a high iq can see the absolute abysmal state that mainstream media is in. But reddit midwits (you) like Jordan Peterson, the same people who like Ryan Holidays (stoicism) it's current iteration which is very popular now despite it having little to do with stoicism (Seneca, Epictetus etc)

[Anonymous No.23948863]

>>23948838
>I think you're looking too deeply into this
Not at all. She was posting her slutty bikini pic in his public replies while calling him "daddy", it was all very on the nose. She put a lid on that in recent years, but it's obvious that's one of the aspects of how she manipulates her father.

[Anonymous No.23948890]

>>23948863
Oh..ew..good grief, if you or any anon has pics of this. I do remember anons talking about her posting bikini pics but I didn't follow.

[Anonymous No.23948976]

>>23948666
>Absolutely delusional. """Wokeism""", if it means anything, is the pop culture instantiation of academic ideas
You are just reiterating what I already said. You are so incensed by this nonsense that you failed to even attempt to sincerely comprehend what I wrote and assumed that I automatically disagree with you (I don't). This is, in large, part of why I can't stand Peterson. He teaches very impressionable people to, instead of genuinely engaging with the philosophy they oppose, act like a
bitter ans obstinate dickhead constantly scanning his peers for enemies amd who refuses to acknowledge even a modicum of nuance.
>firmly rooted in critical theory
The projects of someone like Adorno, Foucault, (or even fucking Debord who is a genuine Marxist) have quite lierally nothing to do with the bluehaired identity politics pushers. In fact if you actually read them (these Postmodern-Neo-Marxists as you would call them) you will find that they, explicitly through their own theories, do infact disagree at large with this sort of behavior. (Again, watch the debate with Zizek. Pererson flat out admits that he hasn't read Marx or any of the "PostModernists").
>Marxism
Like Peterson, you haven't read or sincerely engaged with Marx at all. In fact, I would dare say that you don't actually even know what Marxism is. The philosophical theory and lineage of Marx is much more complex and nuanced (and splintered) than the sort neutered and hyper commercialized "fight the power man, topple the system" Meme-Socialism you see peddled around mainstream sources. The "Woke" have no cohesive ideology (or aim of systemic change) it's just a vague conceptual buzzword that could be applied to anything.
>Zizek is completely irrelevant to the legacy of Marxism in american academia and popular culture.
He is quite literally one of the most influential mainstream philosophers of at least the last 20 years.

[Anonymous No.23949002]

>>23948658
Well for one, Peterson was asked to extrapolate a bit and clarify his stance but instead gave an entirely nebulous answer with no further elaboration.

While a religion can be predicated on both axioms and presumptions, Peterson's vague definition almost entirely ignores the inherently communal nature of religion. You could apply his definition to any sort of adherent to Metaphysics. Having faith or belief in Axioms does not necessarily directly correlate to being a religious adherent.

[Anonymous No.23949006]

So all you have to do is right a mid self-help book and say you read Jung for this entire board to obsess over you. Then you spam whatever the system wants you to say and reap.

[Anonymous No.23949067]

>>23949002
>Peterson was asked to extrapolate a bit and clarify his stance but instead gave an entirely nebulous answer with no further elaboration
His entire work/thesis relies on shifting definitions and abnormal interpretations of otherwise commonly understood terms to be viable. When Peterson is talking about "God", "truth", "religion" he's not using these words and terms as they're expected to be by his immediate audience or anyone listening in from the outside. Then when someone does finally pick up on this, and asks to clarify, Peterson deflects so that his worldview cannot be made as an argument and so that he can always claim to be taken out of context when criticized

[Anonymous No.23949125]

His stance on Solzhenitsyn's 200 years together is the core reason of why he is controversial.

[Anonymous No.23949469]

>>23948636
Disingenuous misinformation.
Shapiro was bankrolled by the same people as Peterson. They both owe their success to the Koch brothers.
Don’t make this about muh jooish conspiracy again

[Anonymous No.23949515]

He spoke out about some tranny bullshit eight years ago

[Anonymous No.23949518]

>>23948658
>>23949067
>>23949002
>entirely nebulous answer
Its not his fault you are too much of a brainlet to understand his answer.

The key difference between Petterson and a lot of other intermedia famous people is that if he is forced to talk the talk, he can talk the talk.
Because he has a good grasp of language, and has a very good grasp of suppressing the instinct to walk away from table at friction via his trade.

[Anonymous No.23949523]

>>23949518
Ok then.
Explain Peterson's answer to me, I am happy to be corrected by someone who knows better.

[Anonymous No.23949529]

>>23949515
Yeah and he made it about himself and spread bullshit instead of actually addressing what was wrong with the bill.

[Anonymous No.23949538]

>>23949518
Ok then Anon.
Explain Peterson's answer to me.
I will happily be corrected by someone who knows better.

[Anonymous No.23949562]

>>23949538
>Peterson's
Sorry but its petestein now.

[Anonymous No.23949925]

>>23947099
why would you copypasta this from the other thread

[Anonymous No.23949941]

>>23949125
His refusal to answer that guy's question is what ruined his reputation for me. I don't need him to agree with me about jews, but dodging the question back then felt like a betrayal of everything he stood for. There were so many answers he could have given, most of which don't align with my own beliefs, that would have been respectable. Dodging, though, was far more telling than any of those answers. It demonstrated fear.

[Anonymous No.23949958]

>>23944414
>Why is he controversial ?
Anyone who doesn't suck cock or let his balls be steeped on by stilettos is controversial nowadays.

[Anonymous No.23949963]

>>23945371
I’m actually happy there’s someone playing devil’s-advocate for me with this copy pasta, I don’t blindly worship Peterson and in fact I also dislike him for his Zionism/falling in with the DailyWire crowd and that dinner with Netanyahu and Ben Shapiro I think it was (but not entirely for /pol/chud reasons, i.e. being a Nazi-glorifier), but I also think a lot of the hatred and criticism he gets from both extreme ends of the political spectrum are usually bullshit, and just reflect on his critics’ own unique psychoses.

[Anonymous No.23950032]

>>23949963
>"The majoity of criticism directed towards Peterson are a result of psychosis"
Thia is a very Petersonian observation here Anon.

[Anonymous No.23950069]

>>23944414
You mean your single mother gave it to you? No one with even a semi decent male role model in their life has any use for anything this Kermit the Frog motherfucker says. "Don't wallow in your own filth." Prophetic.

[Anonymous No.23950279]

>>23950069
>in this house we believe:
>black lives matter
>womens rights are human rights
>no human is illegal
>science is real
>love is love
>feminism is for everyone
https://youtu.be/RECuQaaGGfA?si=7fwyJKnnTni6Cpae

[Anonymous No.23950332]

I didn't know either and I was happier off that way

[Anonymous No.23950393]

>>23950279
Did you post that ironically because the dude who wrote it is definitely some kind of liberal. It was funny but pretty self aware.

[Anonymous No.23950473]

>>23946514
Direction brain politics has caused people to view postmodernism as innately leftist when it exists outside such dichotomies. In fact, once you abandon the importance of an underlying objective reality, then you can create the most maximally hierarchical system ontologically possible, if you desire. You can of course create the most incredibly flat system, too. All these things are possible once you open your eyes to the full breadth of the plane of potentiality. The characteristic nature of postmodernism is that it exists as a philosophy of rebellion against centralized power structures, as these structures always seek to redefine objective reality in their own way, establishing institutions devoted to their legitimization. Right-wingers, now that they're outside the mainstream political center, find themselves making identical critiques to postmodernists.