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[Anonymous No.23915560]

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[Anonymous No.23915577]

First for Jonrya

[Anonymous No.23915595]

>>23915560

Starks/wargs=Werewolves
Robert Strong=Frankenstein's Monster
Botlons=Vampires

What would the Ice and Fire analogy to The Invisible Man be, Faceless Men? Feels like GRRM was influenced by Universal Monsters and classic horror movies.

[Anonymous No.23915744]

>>23915560
Would you guys rather have Sansa or Cersei sit on your face? It's for a survey

[Anonymous No.23915760]

>>23915560
What mystery in the series have you never heard a good theory / explanation for? Or do you think everything has already been figured out?

[Anonymous No.23915845]

First for the Lord of Light

[Anonymous No.23915968]

Why do people think Melisandre is a charlatan when religion as a whole is itself a charlatan?

[Anonymous No.23915997]

>>23915760
Coldhands' identity has never been solved

[Anonymous No.23916051]

>>23915997
He's an ancient member of the Night's Watch who speaks the true tongue and has performed an animist ritual, so he's probably from the Age of Heroes.
If he is not a nobody, then his identity must be linked to that of a legendary character from this era, i.e. The Last Hero, Bran the Builder or the Night's King.

[Cook No.23916219]

A Song of Ice and Fire 4 Ever!

[Anonymous No.23916221]

>>23915595
Well, good for him I guess.

[Anonymous No.23916237]

Wench!

[Anonymous No.23916261]

Shit dead abandoned series, make a Stormlight archive general already.

[Anonymous No.23916277]

>>23915744
Cersei so I can taste Jaime.

[Anonymous No.23916291]

>>23915760
Everything around Ashara Dayne and how she fits into the story is still a complete mystery. I haven't seen any theories about her that I find convincing.

[Anonymous No.23916296]

>>23916261
Nobody's stopping you from making it yourself. Quit whining and act.

[Anonymous No.23916297]

>>23916051
>age of heroes
Nah, that's waaay too old. His body wouldn't handle rotting for thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.23916312]

Why didn’t Beric and the likes call for support to King Stannis, the younger brother of the late king Robert.

[Anonymous No.23916353]

>>23916291
I suppose it never will be until we learn exactly what happened at the tower of joy

[Anonymous No.23916354]

House Hightower

[Anonymous No.23916373]

>>23915744
it seems Cersei is prettier

[Anonymous No.23916386]

>>23915744
Sansa is 13

[The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew No.23916449]

>>23916353
Rhaegar was raped at the tower of Joy

[Anonymous No.23916688]

Remember when GRRM promised that the only thing he’d devote himself to would be the Winds of Winter. I think that was several years back.
And then in his September blogpost, without even missing a blogpost, he admitted to working on Fire and Blood part II at the same time as Winds.

I don’t want your stupid fan-fiction / poor caricature of history, George.

[Anonymous No.23916690]

>>23916386
Is that a problem for you or a problem for her? I don’t get it.

[Anonymous No.23916726]

>>23916688
>2010: "The First Chapters Are Done!"
>2012: "I really look forward to publishing it in 2014."
>2015: "I'm determined to finish it by 2016. I cancelled two convention appearances, anything I can do to clear my decks and get this done."
>2016: "I am not going to set another deadline for myself to trip over. The deadlines just stress me out."
>2017: "I think it will be out this year."
>2017: "I am still working on it, I am still months away."
>2018: "Work on Winds of Winter continues, and remains my top priority. It is ridiculous to think otherwise."
>2019: "If I don't have The Winds of Winter in hand by the end of the year, you have here my formal written permission to imprison me in a small cabin on an island."
>2020: "There is a lot of work to be done on the upcoming spinoff show, but I won't be writing any scripts for the series before finishing The Winds of Winter."
>2021: "I will make no predictions on when I will finish. Every time I do, assholes on the internet take that as a “promise,” and then wait eagerly to crucify me when I miss the deadline."
>2022: "I hope to wrap up the story line for one of the viewpoint characters of W.O.W. this week. Maybe even two."
>2023: “I won’t start on anything else until winds is finished.”

Anyone who believe that fat liar will never learn.

[Anonymous No.23916736]

>>23916726
>me when my boss asks for that deliverable I haven’t even started on
The reason I know he’s procrastinating on it, or hasn’t even put in that much effort in yet, is that he deflects or recuses himself exactly the same way I would. That same brand of overpromising, saying you’ve been held up on this specific issue, deflecting by talking about the other work on my pile, pretending like I’ve done enough work to know where it’s headed and it’s all just about putting it together in a consumable form, etc.

[Anonymous No.23916758]

>>23914680
>>23914689
A bit weird that the daughter of Ned Stark has zero sense of duty and responsibility. Even Sansa, despite her blunders, has a very strong sense of duty. I think that's why I can't sympathize all that much with Arya. You're absolutely right about her needing a strong husband. Pairing her with Ned Dayne might sound cute at first, but I don't think he has what it takes to keep her under control. Would probably end up Aerea'd by her stupid whims.

[Anonymous No.23916764]

>>23916386
she's had her blood

[Anonymous No.23916768]

>>23915760
Not exactly a mystery as much as major plot but...the Jamie/Brienne/Stoneheart situation can go on so many different directions I don't think there is consensus on one single theory, unlike stuff like the night lamp in the north.

[Anonymous No.23916781]

>>23916758
>incel screeching

[Anonymous No.23916795]

>>23916781
Aerea was basically proto-Arya, and her fate was the inevitable consequence of unrestricted juvenile and rebellious impulses against authority and society. Also, Arya is really dumb.

[Anonymous No.23916961]

>>23915968
>Melisandre is a charlatan
she is a charlatan in that she is using people to serve her own ends (insert herself into some gay prophecy that she’s never considered might mean something different, for plot purposes)
>religion as a whole is itself a charlatan
Melisandre’s religion gives her extremely conspicuous magical powers

[Anonymous No.23917083]

>>23916386
That doesn't answer my question

>>23916277
Gay but thank you for participating
>>23916373
I was thinking that, too, but the downside is that she's a hoe.

[Anonymous No.23917088]

>>23915744
Anyone that would choose the has-been used goods post-wall Cersei over prime, pure Sansa is a cuck.

[Anonymous No.23917099]

>>23916449
in the steaming hot summer of 292

[Anonymous No.23917101]

>>23916726
I still think Gurm accidentally deleted more than half of the book or at least scrapped it. How do you go from "I'm almost done, guys!" in 2016 to "don't pressure me >:( also, here's seven HBO side projects no one cares about and a history larp book" in 2024 A.D. Year of Our Lord

[Anonymous No.23917107]

>>23915744
Sansa because I don't want to taste Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moonboy for all I know

[Anonymous No.23917113]

>>23916781
Women need to be trained and put in their place. Cope, basedboi

[Anonymous No.23917120]

>>23917088
>>23917107
Correct answers. Although I'm struggling to find a good one to one alternative to Sansa. Maybe Jeyne Poole before Ramsay or Margaery?

[Anonymous No.23917129]

>>23917120
How about Jeyne Poole after Ramsay? She'll be good and trained then. Might be a bit loose from taking fat knot every night though.

[Anonymous No.23917136]

>>23917129
Didn't she get dogs mounted on her?

[Anonymous No.23917137]

>>23917136
That's what
>Might be a bit loose from taking fat knot every night though.
refers to.

[Anonymous No.23917141]

>>23917137
I've never heard of fat knot being used to describe dog dick but okay. Either way you just outed yourself as a bestiality fag so good luck with the feds knocking on your door.

[Anonymous No.23917163]

>>23917101
>How do you go from "I'm almost done, guys!" in 2016
By being a liar who had barely even started in the first place and thought he could cram by assigning himself an arbitrary deadline to work towards

[Anonymous No.23917164]

I want to read the books but I can't get the TV show characters faces out of my head

[Anonymous No.23917168]

>>23915560
Robert Baratheon had the most trash Kingsguard ever.

[Anonymous No.23917186]

>>23917164
Visit https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page and see character art.

[Anonymous No.23917242]

>>23917141
>he has never had the displeasure of encountering horny furfags
How have you avoided them for so long?

[Anonymous No.23917273]

>>23917101
Word is he tried to rush the book and was left with subpar material that needed a lot of rewriting. Zionius said something like that iirc.
Keep in mind that "rewriting" is also restructuring and changing things around.

[Anonymous No.23917280]

Jon is not going to get a happy ending. Zero kids, Ghost dead, dick won't work. I predict an absolutely merciless and cruel student of the Stannisian disciplines.

[Anonymous No.23917325]

If bran has sex with meera while skinchanged into hodor's body, who is the cuck, bran or hodor?

[Anonymous No.23917338]

>>23916758
>>23916795
Her dominating over any husband she might have wouldn't even be a problem necessarily, if she was actually smart enough to rule in their stead l, but she isn't. She's not very attentive in her education l only learning the bare minimum.
We don't even need to go so far for an example of where her behaviour would lead, there's also Lyanna. She was also given a free reign to do what she wanted (maybe this is why Ned thinks letting her do her thing is a good thing) and all it got her was getting pregnant by a married man and dying, while also sparking a rebellion as a result.
The worst part is, apart from giving her to some psycho who'd torture her like Joffrey or Ramsey, which isn't good, I don't know what character around her age could actually effectively curtail her impulses.

[Anonymous No.23917341]

>>23917325
both, yet neither
neither, yet both

[Anonymous No.23917355]

>>23917325
Has GRRM every answered the question of whether it's possible to live forever by warging from one warg to another. Is their a way to drug someone to make warging someone easier? All better options than becoming a tree.

[Anonymous No.23917385]

>>23917280
Sadly true, unless the stabbing proves non fatal or his resurrection is perfect due to kingsblood on both sides of the family plus Mel's power being so strong at the wall. There's also the option of becoming an Other and getting a cute ice elf ala Night's King. Being alone and unloved beyond the wall with even Val having died in the long night seems the most George-esque ending thoughever.

[Anonymous No.23917406]

>>23917141
>Either way you just outed yourself as a bestiality fag so good luck with the feds knocking on your door.
Anon, feds are the furfags. The only people willingly working for the government are Mormons and sexual deviants.

[Anonymous No.23917407]

>>23917385
I am crossing my fingers and hoping for worship inspiring ressurection, followed swiftly by Dune-esque jihad southward.

[Anonymous No.23917428]

>>23917407
sounds boring and gay

[Anonymous No.23917439]

>>23915744
Cersei is getting plump now and I have a thing for chubby chicks also she is bald now so that's a bonus.

[Anonymous No.23917451]

I've practiced writing smut in the style of GRRM

which character should I do next? Here is Asha

>Aenon pressed his lips against Asha's, tasting the salt of the sea from that foul mouth of hers.
>"Fuck. Quickly you bastard," she whispered, undoing her breeches
>He plunged into her depths, diving deep. Her harbor was wet, but welcoming, and he found his thrusts becoming more erratic and frenzied.
>"Aaaa--AAAHHH!" Asha cried out, in a screech that was fiercer than any battle cry.
>Half the crew must have heard that. But it did not matter, for Aenon was near his own release. With a final thrust and a grunt, he filled her warm hole with his seed. As Asha felt his thick mast pump within her, she groaned in pleasure. She had forgotten to take her moon tea, and there was nothing like it aboard the ship.
>But it did not matter to Asha. As her breathing slowed, she placed a hand on her belly. Her harbor could use a new ship or two.

[Anonymous No.23917536]

>>23917451
kek, check this one anon

>His fat pink mast thrust into her Myrish swamp as he grunted befitting a true son of Crakehall. "The mother of dragons? What drivel" he said to her as she struggled to accommodate his raging member. "You'll be a mother to a litter of Hill-boars, dragonwhore." He tilted and tilted until greasy sweat dropped from his face and chest onto her, much to her dismay. He even saw some fall in her mouth, so he spit in there to give his sweat-son some company. /The dragonwhore is powerless to stop the conquest of her womb/ he thought as he released in her his third batch of batter. Their love-bout continued for several more rounds until he grew tired and passed out on top of her. He dreamt of little white piglets running about Crakehall Castle as he sat athrone holding his new dragon-sow on a leash beside him. He knew it was the foresign of the rise of his new dynasty.

[Anonymous No.23917553]

What the fuck was Aegon IV's problem?
>She loved Aemon best of her brothers, for he knew how to make her laugh—and he had something of the same piety that she possessed, while Aegon did not. She loved the Seven as dearly as she loved her brother, if not more so, and might have been a septa if her lord father had allowed it. But he did not, and Viserys instead wed her to his son Aegon in 153 AC, with King Aegon III’s blessing. The singers say that Aemon and Naerys both wept during the ceremony, though the histories tell us Aemon quarreled with Aegon at the wedding feast, and that Naerys wept during the bedding rather than the wedding.
>Queen Naerys—the one woman Aegon IV bedded in whom he took no pleasure—was pious and gentle and frail, and all these things the king misliked. Childbirth also proved a trial to Naerys, for she was small and delicate. When Prince Daeron was born on the last day of 153 AC, Grand Maester Alford warned that another pregnancy might kill her. Naerys was said to address her brother thus: “I have done my duty by you, and given you an heir. I beg you, let us live henceforth as brother and sister.” We are told that Aegon replied: “That is what we are doing.” Aegon continued to insist his sister perform her wifely duties for the rest of her life.

[Anonymous No.23917566]

>>23917553
sounds to me like he didn't necessarily like her at all, but her loving an other man was a strain on his ego, so he forced her into the wife role, instead of them both letting the other do their own things
it was a shit situation, all things considered. he either makes her life hell by forcing the relationship not even he wants, or he lets her cuck him with Aemon for the rest of their lives, which would have put a strain on his honour as a king.

The only right answer would have been to not consumate the marriage, then annul it when he became king and had the final say in things. But neither of them thought of that unfortunately, so everyone suffered.

[Anonymous No.23917594]

>>23917566
The 9000 IQ move would be feigning spirituality and repealing the Doctrine of Exceptionalism on religious grounds, which would annul Aegon's incest marriage with Naerys. It would also cement Aegon as "even holier than Baelor".

>but what about all those extra-marital affairs?
"I am a sinful man, so many sins on my soul, oh pray that the Seven forgive me for all the sins weighting me down..."

Come to think of it - is there one king in the history of the Westeros known for LARPing hard as a religious nut for personal gain?

[Anonymous No.23917595]

>>23917553
>Viserys instead wed her to his son Aegon
Why did they continue this practice post dance? There were no nukes to keep in the family.

[Anonymous No.23917600]

>>23917594
If the DoE got repealed, wouldn't that have made the subsequent relationship of Naerys and Aemon also illegal? Also any other incestuous Targ out there during that time who lived in happy (incestuous) marriages would also get fucked.

>"LARPing hard as a religious nut for personal gain?"
The church in asoiaf never had a big influence as far as I know (which is a big mistake on gurm's part, undermining how powerful the religious institutions were), so there wouldn't have been so much gain that would warrant larping. That's my guess for why

[Anonymous No.23917607]

>>23917595
Between Aegon III and Aerys I they did it for the same reason that the most successful IRL aristocratic dynasties did it - once your house is really well established as the top dog, every marriage outside the family stops being a climbing political alliance for you against others and becomes one for others to climb over you. The Dance itself was catalyzed by Hightowers and Velaryons butting heads over finalizing their decades-long efforts to marry into the IT. So eventually keeping it in the family becomes the only away to keep upcoming houses from gaining undue influence. Today's plucky upstart House of your best friends who all owe you their lives and offer their primo puss in wholesome happy marriage becomes tomorrow's scheming kingmakers.

And from Aerys I and on there was also the prophesy autism.

[Anonymous No.23917613]

>>23917600
>If the DoE got repealed, wouldn't that have made the subsequent relationship of Naerys and Aemon also illegal?
Just another reason for Aegon IV to see it as a win-win. He gets rid of the screeching Karen while also cucking her and Aemon out of their happy ever after.

>Also any other incestuous Targ out there during that time who lived in happy (incestuous) marriages would also get fucked.
Even more better since Aegon IV hated pretty much everyone.

>The church in asoiaf never had a big influence as far as I know
They fought Maegor with peak dragon power to a standstill until they finally killed him with an aneurysm (which is kinda borderline divine miracle in their favor). Also, both Jaehaerys I and Baelor the Blessed farmed insane influence, cash and legal power from their strong support by the Faith of the Seven. Their parts make perfect sense, it's weird how every Targ since then just kinda ignored the Faith.

[Anonymous No.23917618]

>>23917595
Just plain tradition at that point, a remnant from a time where it was necessary.
A similar thing in our world is a burial practice that involves cannibalising parts of the deceased, which originated from a time of famine where the dead had to be eaten to keep the tribe alive, but once that issue disappeared, the practice remained as a tradition, even though there was no longer a valid reason to do it

[Anonymous No.23917625]

>>23917618
>A similar thing in our world is a burial practice that involves cannibalising parts of the deceased
What the fuck are you talking about?

>which originated from a time of famine where the dead had to be eaten to keep the tribe alive
Cannibalism is always a horrible way to "keep the tribe alive" - dying people are almost never healthy people, and blasting your immune system with a full set of highly compatible diseases and parasites in a pre-modern healthcare context is never justified by a quarter of a pig's serving of meat. Every fucking culture in human history has strong taboos against cannibalism outside of very strict ritual contexts, which exists specifically due to strong meaning imbued in them by the transgression of the taboo.

[Anonymous No.23917633]

>>23916726
At least you can thank god that GRRM has been working on something. Fans of Kingkiller Chronicle have to pretend that Ragin’ Rothfuss is writing as a hobby between Twitch streams

[Anonymous No.23917677]

>if Asha hadn't been whispering into Balon's ear that Stark was turning Theon into a Greenlander, in a vain attempt to usurp her brother, the Iron Island's might have sided with the North
>she will never have a moment of introspection, she will never take responsibility for her actions, she will be a girlboss to the bitter end and be rewarded for it

[Anonymous No.23917695]

>>23917625
Dead doesn't have to equal diseased, the kuru for example originates specifically from eating diseased brain, it wasn't the meat itself that was the problem, that was fine. We have plenty of evidence for cannibalism among humans throughout the ages, from all continents, we can't know every reason, but the process i described is true of other things too. As for it being a horrible way to keep the tribe alive, yes it is, but it works. Think about disaster survivors stranded at hard to reach locations who turn to cannibalism in desperation to survive, many end up surviving because of that horrible practice. We have evidence of cavemen eating infants because if they don't they all likely would have died, but instead they lived to see an other day and had children when times were better.
And no, not every culture has a taboo on cannibalism. The people who had the kuru for example believed that cannibalism was the nicest way of burial because the dead relative becomes a part of his/her family.
Polynesians would frequently eat the breasts of women as a delicacy as well, meaning it not only wasn't a taboo, it had a distinguished part in their cuisine.

In any case, cannibalism was just the first example that came to my mind. An other example is the awarding of decorative swords like sabres to soldiers and poets. This goes back to a time when swords were of actual practical use and so the gifting had an other meaning, but in modern times they are nothing but a decoration worn on parades and put up in homes like a medal.
Yet another example is the eating of cats in traditional south italian cuisine, this is no longer practiced at large, but it used to be for a long time and it also originated from a time of famine, where people had nothing else to eat, so they started eating cats. So many things originate this way. This is also why chinks eat anything with a heartbeat, centuries of famines ingrains such cuisine into your culture.

[Anonymous No.23917720]

Do you guys think Ned had a mini heart attack every time Jon screamed he was Aemon the Dragonknight in the yard?

[Anonymous No.23917727]

>>23917677
Dubs and Asha ends up sitting on the Seastone Chair in ADOS

[Anonymous No.23917728]

>>23917720
doing that harold smile while inside he's shouting "SHUT UP SHUP UP SHUT UP"

[Anonymous No.23917731]

>>23917727
Dubs and Asha ends up sitting on the Iron Throne with my face as her pillow in ADOS

Verification not required.

[Anonymous No.23917742]

>>23917728
The reason he has grey hairs is either that or because of Catelyn's gorilla grip pussy draining his lifeforce.

[Anonymous No.23917769]

>>23917677
>>if Asha hadn't been whispering into Balon's ear that Stark was turning Theon into a Greenlander, in a vain attempt to usurp her brother, the Iron Island's might have sided with the North
When was this.

[Anonymous No.23917773]

>>23917769
It's heavily implied the entire time he's their.

[Anonymous No.23917826]

>>23917677
I don't think Balon Greyjoy needed any help reaching that conclusion. In fact it would be weird if he hadn't. I don't think Asha is that kind of schemer, even her move for the Seastone chair in the Kingsmoot was too honest, straight and clean.

>>23917338
Gendry is the one you're looking for. He could bully her into submission, while also making her wet herself and admire/respect him. Bonus points for making Catelyn seethe for having her daughter marry a bastard, and for taking power and influence away from Arya's hands (which is not the type of person that should have any).

[Anonymous No.23917830]

>>23917355
Isn't it implied that once your original body dies you lose your ability to warg and get stuck on the body you're currently in until you die? If so, skinchangers can only prolong their lives by a single extra lifetime at most. What you should be asking is how Roose Bolton achieved his immortality.

[Anonymous No.23917881]

Sigh.

Whenever someone goes "Omg, this religion has actual results, that means their god is REAL", I assume they're not thinking ahead enough.

>>23916961
>she is a charlatan in that she is using people to serve her own ends
She fools others just like how she fools herself about her own god/religion. ALL magic-users are on a higher or lower step on a rickety ladder of ignorance. Magic is a bar, and has this air of punkery: "That's not magic, THIS is Magic!" is just another variant of "That's not a knife, THIS is a Knife!". "No, it's a miracle..." ... etc ...

>Melisandre’s religion gives her extremely conspicuous magical powers
So? Religion isn't meant to be true, as that defeats the whole point and purpose of faith and belief. Religion is indistinguishable from stage magic, at the end of the day. At its simplest, you had the ancients who had looked to the stars in the night sky--considering them gods. There is no grander stage than existence.

R'hllor could be a glass candle abusing wizard, the same way the green seers are the old gods. It's implied that the dragon-lords of Valyria weaponized religion for their own aims.

[Anonymous No.23917892]

>>23917830
I wonder if you can still skinchange if you enter the body of another skinchanger for your second life, and this is why Bloodraven had Bran brought to him.

[Anonymous No.23917894]

>>23917881
Most readers arent all that intelligent sadly, and read these books casually, not investing the required amount of brainpower Martin puts into his work

[Anonymous No.23917898]

>>23917881
>>23917894
Suck my fucking dick you pretentious wankers.

[Anonymous No.23917899]

>>23917830
They're stuck in those bodies because those bodies can't warg. Warging is in the blood, so if you warg into a warg, you should be able to continue warging.

[Anonymous No.23917901]

Whenever people claim Bran can time travel I always wonder if they're retarded, since they seem to forget that Bran's body is stuck in the present, so any "change" he makes is... not a change at all.

[Anonymous No.23917902]

>>23917898
You read books casually like a moronic ape, missing all the little things that matter. I casually assume things you do not. I just casually assume religion is magic. You don't.

[Anonymous No.23917903]

>>23917901
His consciousness is travelling in time, not his body.

[Anonymous No.23917905]

>>23917901
He is 100% time traveling, it's just closed loop and so functionally worthless.

[Anonymous No.23917906]

>>23917830
>>23917899
This just means skinchangers will hunt other skinchangers to live forever, trying to out-psyche the other.

[Anonymous No.23917907]

>>23917695
>Dead doesn't have to equal diseased, the kuru for example originates specifically from eating diseased brain, it wasn't the meat itself that was the problem, that was fine.
Anon, kuru is a disease detected among one (1) specific tribal group among some 300 inhabiting Papua New Guinea, and their cannibalism was specifically ritualistic, with no other tribal group on the same fucking island upholding a similar practice. And it gave them an epidemic of prion disease.

>Think about disaster survivors stranded at hard to reach locations who turn to cannibalism in desperation to survive, many end up surviving because of that horrible practice
Many? Name 5. You do realize how insanely unlikely it is for the rescue of stranded or starving people to be just a few meals away, but those few meals being vitally necessary, and also those meals luckily not ending up killing the feasters for cannibalism to make any positive difference whatsoever? Human is not a cow, you don't get hundreds of pounds of edible meat from one guy.

>The people who had the kuru for example believed that cannibalism was the nicest way of burial because the dead relative becomes a part of his/her family.
Fore practice strictly ritualistic cannibalism as a part of a burial - every other form of cannibalism is extremely taboo in their culture, like in every other culture on the planet. Because the most likely outcome of cannibalism is a bouquet of severe gastrointestinal infections.

>Polynesians would frequently eat the breasts of women as a delicacy as well, meaning it not only wasn't a taboo, it had a distinguished part in their cuisine.
That data is from XIX century anthropologists and missionaries, most of whom have never been to Polynesia.

>This is also why chinks eat anything with a heartbeat, centuries of famines ingrains such cuisine into your culture.
And yet they don't and never have practice cannibalism, beyond fringe taoist qi consumption schizo-ritualism, which goes against your argument. Similarly, many groups inhabiting modern Russia have experienced famine on the regular for thousands of years, yet they eat nether people nor dogs.

>An other example is the awarding of decorative swords like sabres to soldiers and poets. This goes back to a time when swords were of actual practical use
Honorary weapons were not meant for actual use even in the time when swords were the actual weapons of warfare. They were a symbolic award from the start.

You do realize that people understood the concepts of symbol and ritual for thousands of years now, and most symbolic practices do not originate in degraded functional practice right?

[Anonymous No.23917910]

>>23917903
>>23917905
You do not understand how spacetime works, loool.

Any "change" Bran makes is either 1) Already made, or 2) A completely different timeline altogether. His body is stuck in the present. A slave to the narrative.

Like, sorry, you cannot save YOUR Abraham Lincoln. His death is a requirement leading up to your existence. Again, sorry. You can't just erase a present by going into the past.

George even talked about this, you fucks.

— 'It’s an obscenity to go into somebody’s mind. So Bran may be responsible for Hodor’s simplicity, due to going into his mind so powerfully that it rippled back through time. The explanation of Bran’s powers, the whole question of time and causality—can we affect the past? Is time a river you can only sail one way or an ocean that can be affected wherever you drop into it? These are issues I want to explore in the book.'

Hodor was always meant to Hodor, even without (our) Bran's involvement. It does not matter if it was our Bran who did it or not.

Why is this so hard to understand?

[Anonymous No.23917912]

>>23917901
>people like Bran and Bloodraven can influence the world around them by skinchanging and entering people's dreams despite being stuck in a cave in the Arctic
>Bran can't influence the past because he can't physically go there
Do you see how the logic might be flawed, anon?

[Anonymous No.23917913]

>>23917912
He can't influence his past, is the point, you dumb fuck. His body is literally in the present, and you can't actually change the present by way of going into the past--that's just going into a completely different timeline/universe.

He's not wrong, and you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.23917915]

>>23917910
You wrote all that just to say the exact same thing I managed to say in one short sentence.

[Anonymous No.23917917]

>>23917910
>Why is this so hard to understand?
Because it's an extremely strict and specific model of a system which can have a few hundred different models explaining the same phenomena just as effectively.

It's all types of headcanon, and I personally don't care for shit what specific time travel rules does ASoiaF operate on because it's irrelevant, but I automatically flag anyone who claims to have the one true interpretation as a schizo.

[Anonymous No.23917919]

>>23917903
>>23917905
>>23917910
Wow. George sucks. I was looking forward to timey wimey space advantures.

[Anonymous No.23917921]

>>23917910
>>23917913
>posts a quote where GRRM specifically said that the nature of time travel is an open question
>starts calling people retarded for not agreeing with his headcanon about the nature of time

[Anonymous No.23917923]

>>23917903
If it's just his consciousness, then he can't actually make any changes that matter. He's just watching. At best, he can alter the past into a different path, but that's still not his past/present.

[Anonymous No.23917925]

>>23917921
Wow, you are stupid. It's either one or the other, and one of them is too absurd and retarded to be the reality.

There is no third alternative. Now fuck off, you red faced child.

[Anonymous No.23917926]

>>23917923
The original Bran is already dead and only exists as the three eyed crow though. He's been stuck trying to escape blood ravens cave in a loop

[Anonymous No.23917927]

>>23917923
>If it's just his consciousness, then he can't actually make any changes that matter.
He can literally control people's minds you dunce.

[Anonymous No.23917931]

>>23917925
You are way too mad about enforcing your headcanon. Take a chamomile.

[Anonymous No.23917932]

>>23917927
He can control the mentally retarded. Amazing.

Also, even if he could control people in the past, that's *still* a different past-present-universe. A different timeline.

You're still not thinking enough, anon.

[Anonymous No.23917933]

>>23917931
>headcanon
....What? It's not headcanon, it's just logic. Holy shit, you people are deranged. You can't handle a George citation either!

[Anonymous No.23917935]

>>23917899
>>23917906
>be a Lord with warg powers
>have hundreds of bastards by abusing the Lords Right of First Night in the hopes that one of them gets the warg gene
>make him your heir
>warg into his body
>repeat

The Roose is loose.

[Anonymous No.23917936]

>>23917935
I have a theory that Shiera Seastar IS Serenei of Lys...

[Anonymous No.23917937]

>>23917932
>he didn't change time, he just set it on a different timeline!
This is always such a pointless distinction. It amounts to the same damn thing.

[Anonymous No.23917939]

>>23917937
...No? Anon, by going into the past and preventing your birth, you're not erasing yourself. You're just forming a different timeline/universe where you were never born.

[Anonymous No.23917941]

>>23917936
I'm sorry, anon, but my theory is way cooler.

[Anonymous No.23917942]

>>23917925
>There is no third alternativ
I can name like 15.

[Anonymous No.23917943]

>>23917941
Possessing babies at the moment of their birth is cooer than possessing an already grown heir.

[Anonymous No.23917944]

>>23917942
Then you're not thinking logically, lol. Either you can change your present/universe, or you can't.

Back to the Future is wrong, lol. All physicists worth their salt know this.

[Anonymous No.23917948]

>>23917943
How is being stuck inside a vulnerable, useless baby body better? You're at the mercy of everyone else around you, might not even live to see your toddler years.

[Anonymous No.23917949]

>>23917944
>Either you can change your present/universe, or you can't.
Either you take up up your ass or you take it in the mouth. No other options.

[Anonymous No.23917953]

>>23917948
She died giving birth. No way around it. It's why Shiera knew so many languages and could read so well at a young age. ;)

[Anonymous No.23917954]

>>23917939
>>23917944
Thank you for informing us on the real science of time travel which, as we all know, has been experimentally validated and must be respected by every fantasy story involving time travel.

[Anonymous No.23917957]

>>23917949
Mindbroken.

[Anonymous No.23917960]

>>23917954
If you could alter your past-present, then you would be disallowed from going into the past in the first place.

He ain't wrong. You're just a pissy baby.

This is like telling "fans" that Valyrians aren't black, and them going "h-how do you YOU know, huh, HUH?? You racist!". Grow up.

[Anonymous No.23917965]

>>23917960
That is not remotely the same thing lmao.

[Anonymous No.23917967]

>>23917965
Yes it is. It's common sense, and they just cannot handle it. You cannot handle it!

Hobbits, elves and dwarves ain't black either.

[Anonymous No.23917976]

>>23917967
I can handle a black dwarf if you know what I mean.

[Anonymous No.23917980]

Isn't warging when you do it with wolves only? why do people use the word interchangeably with skinchanging?

[Anonymous No.23918000]

>>23917677
Theon was green to the bone, Asha needn't say a thing.

[Anonymous No.23918043]

What does Gregor think of Tywin?

[Anonymous No.23918047]

>>23917907
>>23917625
Both Europeans and Chinese practiced cannibalism for medicinal purposes. The Europeans famously were the main consumers of mummy, but also the blood of executed crimminals, and powdered skull.

The eating of enemies is also recurrent in history and there are many surprising cases more recent than you'd think in Europe. Catholics ate the hearts of Huguenotes and the Orangists ate the livers of Republicans.

[Cook No.23918054]

Lannisters are my favorite villains

[Anonymous No.23918082]

>>23918047
>mummy and powdered skull
Not cannibalism.

[Anonymous No.23918103]

>>23918082
A Slim Jim isn't meat?

[Anonymous No.23918120]

>>23917677
>she will never take responsibility for her actions
So a woman? Also, yes. I'm thinking Asha and Arya are going to be characters that will be the heckin female boss babe who kicks ass of the story.

[Anonymous No.23918125]

>>23917933
>you people
I was with you until you said this. Back to r*ddit, cock-monger

[Anonymous No.23918133]

>>23918043
Does he snore?

[Anonymous No.23918155]

Euron WILL WIN

[Anonymous No.23918173]

>>23917907
>"Anon, kuru is a disease detected among one (1) (...)"
Because the tribes practiced in-group cannibalism. Irrelevant to the point

>"and their cannibalism was specifically ritualistic, (...)"
As I said, it was a tradition (rituals are tradition) that was borne from an event which required the practice in the first place. It didn't come out of the blue. Such a practice evolves to become nothing more than a tradition once the original motivation for its existence has been forgotten

>"Many? Name 5. (...) and also those meals luckily not ending up killing the feasters for cannibalism to make any positive difference whatsoever?"
Irrelevant to the point

>"Human is not a cow, (...)"
A typical adult man has around 126.000 calories worth of edible parts; also irrelevant to the point because everything counts when you have nothing

>"Fore practice strictly ritualistic (...)"
Fore practiced cannibalism, this was a result of reasons I already talked about. Rest is irrelevant to the point

>"like in every other culture on the planet."
Cultures from all over the world through different periods have practiced cannibalism, even cavemen

>"Because the most likely outcome of (...)"
Unless the meat is infected, then no. Cannibalism can continue for a prolonged period without any infections, provided the meat isn't infected. Fore got Kuru from an infected brain, not meat. This is also beside the point in any case.

>"That data is from XIX century anthropologists (...)."
Incorrect, and the practices have been confirmed by 20th century anthropologists also, there was even one from the 80's. All of them were there in Polynesia. Cannibalism is (or has been rather) world-wide and you can find evidence for it everywhere, even in Europe

>"And yet they don't and never (...)"
They have and they still do to this day in remote areas where food is scarce and famine is more common

>"Similarly, many groups inhabiting modern Russia (...)"
There is evidence for both cannibalism and dog-eating in fact. Dog-eating in particular used to be quite normal for most of history, but again, beside the point.

>"Honorary weapons were not meant (...)"
They served a symbolic purpose, but they were also usable and were used. Sometimes a person's only usable weapon in fact was something he received from a lord for his service, think hedge knights.

>"You do realize that people understood (...)"
Yes, and those symbols and rituals had an origin in something beforehand, a tangible thing that created the practice in the first place

>"and most symbolic practices (...)"
Dunno about "most", but some don't, you are correct in that, however that isn't relevant to the point because the examples I brought up do.

In conclusion, you seem to be too emotionally charged to properly view the topic in an objective manner, instead getting bogged down in irrelevant details that make you unable to see through to the core idea the examples are for.

[Anonymous No.23918200]

>>23918173
>Cultures from all over the world through different periods have practiced cannibalism, even cavemen, any argument against this is irrelevant to the point of cultures from all over the world through different periods practicing cannibalism.
I accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.23918202]

>>23917980
I was just thinking about this recently. Even the verb "warging" is weird, it just means "wolfing" and last I knew that meant wolf hunting. Does "warging" actually appear in the books or was it something made up by the fans? I don't remember

[Anonymous No.23918209]

>>23918200
my bad, i was arranging the text to fit the wordcount and ended up messing it up

[Anonymous No.23918224]

>>23917980
A warg is just a skinchanger that has a bond with a wolf or a dog. A warg will skinchange into his animals. People use ‘warging’ for ‘skinchanging’ because it's shorter to write.

[Anonymous No.23918300]

I never read the books and am getting into them, the thing that stood out to me the most in game of thrones was the dialogue went really hard between characters. There was almost never a dull interaction, and every little conversation did something to world build, paint a picture between characters or set up something. I honestly don't think I could ever write something that interesting if I tried.

[Anonymous No.23918305]

>>23918300
Well I’m glad to hear that. Thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.23918313]

Why didn’t Amory Lorch embrace his death with dignity? After all, he was a knight from the Westland.

[Anonymous No.23918341]

>>23917083
>she's a hoe
she's just sitting on my face.
i'm not going into a relationship with her.
>>23917088
>>23917107
silly anons, she would bathe before sitting on your face so you'll only taste rose water.

[Anonymous No.23918369]

>>23918300
I stand by the fact that pacing and dialogue are GRRM’s two greatest strengths. It’s no wonder that the books translated so well to the show format early on in the series.

[Anonymous No.23918415]

>>23918313
Obviously, he was secretly homosexual and could not contain his queer womanly nature in the face of death.

[Anonymous No.23918471]

So house of dragon was a big failure. I don’t k ow anyone who’s still exited for season 3

[Anonymous No.23918501]

>>23918415
we've talked about this man. stop it.

[Anonymous No.23918526]

>>23917727
Rodrik the Reader will win the Seastone Chair in the 2nd Kingsmoot. It is known.

[Anonymous No.23918527]

>>23918471
idk anyone who was excited for s1&2 either

[Anonymous No.23918579]

>>23918415
You dumb insolent cocksucking degenerate subhuman!

[Anonymous No.23918605]

>>23917773
It's a complete headcanon is what. Balon invaded the North because he is a resentful, and he already considered Theon dead the moment Starks took him.

[Anonymous No.23918618]

>>23918471
I wouldn't call it a failure, the viewership was still pretty good it's just hard to maintain excitement with the normie audience when the climax of the season was cut due to budget constraints and there's a 2 year gap between each season. HBO has truly lost touch with reality with the shit they think they can pull while simultaneously turning themselves into the ASOIAF Channel

[Anonymous No.23918630]

>>23918300
His scenery descriptions are also amazing.
People shit on how much he describes food but everytime he does it the food is actually fleshing out the culture or characters involved.
I wish I could write like George.

[Anonymous No.23918646]

>>23918300
>every little conversation did something to world build
I love this part. Especially when it's between characters who grew up in a castle and received a lord's education. The way they talk at length about landmarks and refer to history makes westeros feel very lived in and real.

[Anonymous No.23918686]

>>23918618
Wasn’t S2 considered a massive step down from the first with George himself shitting on it?

[Anonymous No.23918704]

>>23918646
I particularly like the bit about Daeron conquering Dorne, it reads exactly like two modern day armchair generals talking about Napoleon or WWII.

[Anonymous No.23918724]

>>23916449
Nice name, bro.

[Anonymous No.23918730]

>>23917881
>>23917894
Septon hands typed these posts. A named character has been routinely brought back to life so many times it may as well be a joke, but the ebil red religion toooootally isn't real guize.

[Anonymous No.23919084]

>>23918730
You are so fucking retarded I want you to chug s0i sauce until you pass out.

[Anonymous No.23919149]

>the more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew
Why is this still memed to death? It was funny the first few times

[Anonymous No.23919194]

>>23919149
Because it’s the last we saw of Dany in 14 years. If the fat man never releases any other book in ASOIAF, this will be the last glimpse we ever see of Dany. Her story capped off with her shitting herself in the middle of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.23919209]

Melissandre is Bloodraven and Seastar's daughter and will become the new Corpse Queen.

[Anonymous No.23919234]

>>23917536
needs more arbor gold wine and bacon burned black

[Anonymous No.23919240]

>>23919209
>Bloodraven
Not canon.
>Shiera Seastar
Not canon.
>corpse queen
Not canon.

[Anonymous No.23919443]

[Anonymous No.23919447]

[Anonymous No.23919604]

my third wife was a crakehall, all of the crakehall women are sluts.

[Anonymous No.23919672]

>>23917101
Does he still write on the 80s era computer or is that over? What if it got bricked or something and he had to start over

[Anonymous No.23919901]

>>23919672
from experience, stuff like that are more resilient than a modern pc. there have been several times when i had to bust out the old typewriter to finish a paper on time because my pc kept updating for half a fucking day or kept freezing when i tried to save a document (not saving in the process, losing me my work)

[Anonymous No.23919922]

>>23918730
>>23917881
I also wondered for a while whether the religions of Planetos were mere human sectarianism in their effort to understand magic. Then I came across this passage:
>"Look in your fires, pink priest, and you will see. Not now, though, not here, you'll see nothing here. This place belongs to the old gods still... they linger here as I do, shrunken and feeble but not yet dead. Nor do they love the flames. For the oak recalls the acorn, the acorn dreams the oak, the stump lives in them both. And they remember when the First Men came with fire in their fists."
we can conclude that in some cases there is opposition between different types of magic, whether they originate from gods or not.

[Cook No.23920173]

>>23919604
t. Walder “Heh” Frey

[Anonymous No.23920294]

>>23918501
No.

[Anonymous No.23920346]

>>23918646
Reading this made me remember the joy of reading ASOIAF
When George Martin dies with TWOW unfinished, I will find his grave and defecate upon it
I will do so every year

[Anonymous No.23920354]

>>23920346
Sunset found him squatting on the grave, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, he was shitting brown water. The more he remembered the more he shat, but the more he shat, the more nostalgic he grew, and his nostalgia sent him crawling to the old books to suck up excerpts.

[Anonymous No.23920441]

Will the addition of Tyrion finally make Essos chapters readable, or will Tyrion chapters become just as boring as Dany chapters?

[Anonymous No.23920452]

>>23919922
Sounds more like a game to me. Magic is something that has to be entertained.

[Cook No.23920497]

>>23920441
Most of Essos chapters are enjoyable to read. Different and diverse culture and all.

[Anonymous No.23920513]

>>23920441
>If I look back I am lost
vs
>Tyrion pictured how his sister's head might look up there, with tar in her golden hair and flies buzzing in and out of her mouth. Yes, and Jaime must have the spike beside her, he decided. No one must ever come between my brother and my sister.

[Cook No.23920521]

>>23919443
He dwarf?

[Anonymous No.23920598]

>>23920521
Worse, a w*man.

[Cook No.23920600]

>>23920598
:o

[Anonymous No.23920810]

I remember getting my hopes up this August because there were rumors about GRRM going to worldcon and rumors of a New Mexico author buying a dragon shaped cake.
It will not happen again.

[Anonymous No.23920838]

>>23920810
This never made any sense and I was saying as much to who would listen to me back in June-July.

Dragon-themed cake, if real, was obviously intended for the HotD premiere.
Also, speculating that George was going to make the announcement at Worldcon in August, that is towards the end of the HotD season airing, made no sense. His HBO producers would’ve put pressure on him to make that announcement right before the new season premiered, to drum up even more interest.

[Anonymous No.23920854]

>>23920441
i'm about a hundred or so pages into adwd and for me they are just as bad as dany chapters. sucked out all the fun from reading tyrion.
but it's moreso the result of the writing quality in general dropping from feast to dance

>>23920513
this line does go hard af though i won't lie

[Anonymous No.23920963]

Limited point of view character

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PointOfView

[Anonymous No.23921016]

>>23919922
The opposition aspect is in the title of the series. Ice and Fire go together just as they oppose eachother. Life and Death.

[Anonymous No.23921141]

So I think both Starks and Boltons are related in some way to the Night's King and his Corpse Queen. Old Nan is pretty coy with Bran and implies he could belong to any northern house but I believe the 13th Lord Commander was absolutely a Stark, it was also suggested that he and the Corpse Queen also had a bunch of kids together which they sacrificed to the Weirwoods and Others. Could one of these babies perhaps have survived and been smuggled out and founded House Bolton? I also think Cold Hands is potentially the offpsinrg of the 13trh Lord Commander and Corpse Queen too.

[Anonymous No.23921145]

>>23920441
Tyrion's Dance chapters are the nadir of the entire franchise, absolutely insufferable tripe

[Anonymous No.23921156]

>People say I was influenced by Robert Frost’s poem, and of course I was, I mean... Fire is love, fire is passion, fire is sexual ardor and all of these things. Ice is betrayal, ice is revenge, ice is… you know, that kind of cold inhumanity and all that stuff is being played out in the books.

[Anonymous No.23921196]

>>23915595
The greenseercan be The Mummy

[Anonymous No.23921221]

>>23921156
I’m an ice man myself

[Anonymous No.23921292]

It was mayhaps never about the ending, but the fun we had on the way

[Anonymous No.23921397]

One of the things that I think was important but people didn't really mention that much about Gurm's Bubonicon talk was that he said how easily distracted and how hard it is for him to focus, like he has ADHD >now or something. He said that if he had a full day to focus on writing Winds, but had dinner with someone at 6pm, he'd get jackshit done because he couldn't stay focused on the task at hand because he's thinking of his dinner date that evening.

Listening to the Elio interview and it reminded me of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDXQo1_o_Xo

[Anonymous No.23921513]

>>23921397
>46m20s

oily blackstonechads... what the fuck is this?

[Anonymous No.23921524]

>>23921513
who fucking cares what that tranny has to say

[Anonymous No.23921653]

Just finished ACoK. Can anyone explain to me how the fuck did Ramsay defeat Ser Rodriks army? That chapter sounded silly when I read it.

[Anonymous No.23921677]

>>23921653
taken from within by a fresh force of numerically superior traitors

[Anonymous No.23921731]

>>23920441
Dany's ADWD chapters are her only good chapters. When she stops stumbling from one conquest to another with thick plot armor and has to actually rule (and discover that she sucks ass at it). It also has a bit of Gurm's political intrigue and conspiracies...granted, not as good or developed as its westerosi counterpart, but at least it was something. It's probably Dany at her lowest point (until the very end), which is also a bonus. TWOW will never see the light of day and I couldn't have asked for a more humiliating, undignified, scatological ending for which Daenarys will be remembered forever.

[Anonymous No.23921733]

>>23920854
>>23921145
The Essosi reaper spares no one.

[Anonymous No.23921741]

>>23921513
And rip LML

[Anonymous No.23922116]

IF I LOOK BACK I AM HECKIN LOST

[Anonymous No.23922142]

>>23921653
Didn't the battle literally begin with Ramsay slicing off Rodrik's arm? It's not good for morale when a surprise attack begins by killing your commander.

[Anonymous No.23922147]

>>23922116
Which female Targ from history replacing her as a pov would spice the story up? Hard mode: No Visenya.

[Anonymous No.23922215]

>>23921731
>URGHH i hate this fictional character SO MUCH

[Anonymous No.23922386]

Which female Targ from history has the cutest feet?

[Anonymous No.23922410]

Maybe you shouldn't have delved into those byways and sideroads George.

[Anonymous No.23922417]

>>23922410
>my hard drive is littered
What, all 200 kilobytes of it?

[Anonymous No.23922479]

I did my waiting! Thirteen years of it! In /grrm/!

[Anonymous No.23922504]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRmn1itF3_uTXbfeI2ODLDYZy4R53xa8EHzMXG-M0K-0xyops4f3XUMICryTqfUd4xMMn52y6J2Xbkf/pub

Pink letter autism compilation.

[Anonymous No.23922575]

>>23922215
To be a Danyfag is to be stuck on an eternal humiliation ritual.

>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning.

[Anonymous No.23922714]

>>23922575
>The show ending wasn’t true!!! We’ll get danys true ending In the books!!
Danys true ending in the books:
>BRAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP

[Anonymous No.23922718]

>>23922714
No no no NOOOO!!! Dany will restore the Targaryens and bring dragons back to the world!!! shell Mary Jon and be kweeeenn all will bow before the mother of dra-BRAAAAAAAAAPPPPPP

[Anonymous No.23922831]

>>23921653
20 good men

[Anonymous No.23922848]

>>23921397
>pushed for Jalabhar Xho in the show and were denied by D&D
>pushed for Strong Belwas in the show and were denied by D&D
>pushed for Sarella Sand in the show and were denied by D&D
>pushed for Brown Ben Plumm in the show and were denied by D&D
>pushed for Arianne and Quentyn in the show and were denied by D&D
>but because he and his wife said "mean things" about how the Velaryons shouldn't be played by black actors, they're automatically racists who don't want to see black or brown people on tv

Man it really is just a clown world all the way down

[Anonymous No.23922860]

>"Oh, Petyr, Petyr, sweet Petyr, oh oh oh. There, Petyr, there. That's where you belong. Make me a baby, Petyr. Make me another sweet little baby. Oh, Petyr, my precious, my precious, PEEEEEETYR!"

[Anonymous No.23922909]

>>23922860
Wasn't Lisa prettier in the books and Petyr just liked Cate more?

[Anonymous No.23922991]

>>23922848
Amazing how pointing out a simple fact, that the Velaryons are not black, is enough to get you slandered like this.

How did it come to this level of clown world?

[Anonymous No.23923028]

>>23922714
>>23922718
>Daenerys Stormbowels of House Targaryen, the Mother of Diarrhea, the Defekhaleesi of the Great Grass Shit, the Unconstipated, the Breaker of Toilets.

We need AI art of this, similar to those shitting indians ones on twitter.

[Anonymous No.23923063]

Leo Tyrell is literally me...

[Anonymous No.23923175]

>>23923028
no we dont, thats gross

[Anonymous No.23923369]

>>23922142
Also Ramsay said he brought the Dreadfort garrison, i.e. professional soldiers. They were outnumbered three to one but Rodrik's troops were mostly half-trained peasant levies

[Anonymous No.23923392]

Consdierng Monster's story strongly parallels with Jon's who's to say that once Winterfell is rebuilt and restored that Monster couldn't be the next generation's equivalent of Jon Snow giving they have a nearly similar backstory. Of course, this all depends on if Stannis wins the Battle of Ice, and the Manderlys are install as regents of the north until Rickon comes of age. I feel like Jon could lie saying Monster is his bastard son with Ygritte.

[Anonymous No.23923407]

>>23923392
This is what happens when you go thirteen years between books, jfc

[Anonymous No.23923476]

>>23923028
>not Great Ass Sea
Weak.

[Anonymous No.23923550]

>>23923476
Can we meet in the middle at Great Ass Shit?

[Anonymous No.23923778]

>>23923550
no, that one's stupid
Great Ass Sea can be shortened to GAS too. think about it anon, like Jesus
Great Ass Shit not only makes no sense, it shortens to GASh, what's so damn gashy huh? stupid.

[Anonymous No.23924430]

Which ASOIAF character could convince you to kill yourself?

[Anonymous No.23924486]

>>23924430
do danysimps really?

[Anonymous No.23924531]

>>23924430
>Daenero

[Anonymous No.23924534]

>he was RPing as if he was daenerys' brother
I feel like his family is mocking him by publishing these chatlogs

[Anonymous No.23924584]

[Anonymous No.23924602]

>>23924430
>>23924534
Cringed into oblivion. No wonder he was a mutt, that explains everything.

[Anonymous No.23924608]

>>23924534
Publishing your family members ERP logs for the world to see is worse than killing him yourself.

[Anonymous No.23924617]

>>23924430
on one hand i'm laughing my ass off due to the hilarity of the whole premise of this, but on the other I do feel bad for the dude. he just wanted to be loved, but was way too autistic. sad
i wonder what gurm would think of this. ofc if he ever makes a statement it'll be about how bad he feels, but i can't help but think, if a character I make has such an effect on people, that's in a twisted sort of way a badge of honour, a testament to how good the character is

[Anonymous No.23924650]

>>23924584
>stepfather's
Every single time!

[Anonymous No.23924678]

>He was no dragon, Dany thought, curiously calm. .45 ACP cannot kill a dragon.

[Anonymous No.23924686]

>>23924678
Ok you got me

[Anonymous No.23924827]

>>23924430
do you guys think he was a /grrm/ regular?

[Anonymous No.23924841]

Asha? My queen

[Anonymous No.23924846]

>>23924827
>Dany fan
He never even read the books

[Anonymous No.23924877]

>>23924617
Don’t see why George should care as this incident isn’t the fault of Dany or any of his other characters but AI in general with the question once again being brought up on whether it should it be more regulated.

[Anonymous No.23925206]

>>23924877
idk, George is pretty anti-AI and I think he'd be one of the first people to jump on the bandwagon. I can FEEL a blogpost about this taking priority over The Winds of Winter. In fact it'll probably be out by the end of the month.

[Anonymous No.23925242]

>>23925206
honestly the more that I think of it, this motherfucking kid just delayed Winds because ADHD George is gonna be thinking about chatai dany telling someone to kill themselves (even though it didn't) instead of writing

[Anonymous No.23925300]

>>23925242
its going to break his boomer mind

[Anonymous No.23925412]

>>23924617
I would pity the guy but be secretly proud that I got an indirect positive K/D rating WITHOUT a prison sentence.

[Anonymous No.23925432]

>>23923063
>hates dornishmen
>hates summer islanders
>stuck in Citadel jail for unknown reasons
>hated by his classmates for making up catchy nicknames they can't help but use
>has access to a working glass candle and his first thought is to use it to peep at naked women

he literally is the average 4channer

[Anonymous No.23925482]

>>23924534
>he was RPing as if he was daenerys' brother
That wraps back around to being based actually, poor guy.

[Anonymous No.23925543]

>>23924827
Someone who read the books or was into fandom would know that the male version of Daenerys is not "Daenero".
Sounds like he just watched GoT and waifu'd Emilia Clarke.

[Anonymous No.23925651]

>>23924430
What is her suicide policy ?

[Anonymous No.23925807]

>>23924430
I don't feel like bullying Danyfags today...

[Anonymous No.23925832]

>>23924430
Nissa Nissa…

[Anonymous No.23925990]

>>23925543
what IS the male version of Daenerys?

[Anonymous No.23926009]

>>23925990
de Niro

[Anonymous No.23926040]

>>23924534
>Daenero
That doesn't even sound like a Targaryen name if that's what he was going for. Sounds more like of the free city names. Should have been Daeron. Also the real tragedy of this is his shit taste.

[Anonymous No.23926050]

>>23926040
It sounds like a Targ-Dothraki mutt name like Rhaego. Fitting since he was a mutt.

[Anonymous No.23926155]

>>23926050
should've called himself D'Nerious

[Anonymous No.23926161]

>>23926155
Daequan

[Anonymous No.23926569]

loving the books so far, but i dont really understand why they have a reputation for "morally grey" characters
i love the characters, they have clear and logical motivations. but most of them are either clearly noble and well-meaning or cynical and malevolent
tyrion, dany and stannis are perhaps the only grey characters i can think of

[Anonymous No.23926642]

>>23926040
He was an autistic 14-yo nigger. You cant expect him to be intelligent enough to get all the in-lore details right.

[Anonymous No.23926645]

>>23924617
If gurm delays the book because of some kind of misplaced white guilt for having inadvertently caused some retarded nigger’s death I’ll personally go and piss on this dead mutt’s grave.

[Anonymous No.23926657]

>>23924617
>>23925206
>>23925242
>>23925300
If gurm delays Winds because of some kind of misplaced white guilt for having inadvertently caused some retarded nigger’s death I’ll personally go and piss on this dead mutt’s grave.

I didn’t wait 13 years just for some autistic tweenage monkey who jacked off too much to prime Emilia Clarke wearing a blonde wig to fuck everything up because his robot waifu sexts got too spicy for him.

[Anonymous No.23926684]

>>23926569
What are you talking about anon? We have "grey" characters like Sir Murderape and his band of happy misfits, the Houses of Weaselkill and Torturerape pitted against the "grey" House Tully and Stark that get betrayed and hunted down like dogs when they didn't do anything bad.
In all seriousness though the house that fits the description of "morally grey" the most is House Lannister, if we exclude Cersei who is completely insane.

[Anonymous No.23926687]

>>23926657
>If gurm delays Winds because of some kind of misplaced white guilt
>implying gurm needs any reason at all to delay Winds
If only this kid had been a bookfag and explicitly put in his chats that he was offing himself because the last time he saw Dany was in a book from 13 years ago where she was shitting herself. Then we could start a pressure campaign against the fat man

[Anonymous No.23926688]

>trawling 4chan (the different generals we had on /tv/, /tg/) and r/asoiaf and realizing that a non-insignificant portion of the fanbase is actually pining for a “then all my favorite characters teamed up and had a freaking epic showdown against the Others at Winterfell or Harrenhal!” ending
What the fuck you guys
And you have the gall to shit on the HBO show and pretend like you’re above it as if they didn’t serve up this exact mediocre slop?

[Anonymous No.23926696]

>>23924534
>his avatar is just the Dany avatar he FaceApp’ed into a male
… Autism is off the charts here.
I’d like to think my mother would be smart enough not to expose me as an incest fetishist who got his brain scrambled by a fucking chatbot if I died like this. But poor kid though, it’s unfortunate - but really has nothing to do with the app or character

[Anonymous No.23926697]

>>23926684
>didn't do anything bad.
>In all seriousness though the house that fits the description of "morally grey" the most is House Lannister, if we exclude Cersei who is completely insane.
i strongly disagree, tywin was a heinous monster who orchestrated the red wedding and tormented his son for no reason but hateful spite. he had absolutely no remorse and would stomp on a baby if it meant his advancement in the world
jaime might have his moments but he remains a piece of shit who does decent deeds very begrudgingly

[Anonymous No.23926704]

>>23924534
>>23926696
making his chats public is a rage-fuelled emotional reaction from the family who blame the chat-bot and want to "expose" it in order to shut it down. completely illogical, but it's expected from grievers. especially grieving mutts
its all the fault of this damn ai website, definitely not our son's, who didn't do nothing wrong!

[Anonymous No.23926710]

>>23926688
Congratulations, you just found out most people are retarded.

[Anonymous No.23926715]

>>23926704
Not even the son’s fault (even though he is retarded) - who the fuck keeps a loaded pistol at home that’s reachable to an autistic child? And did the white mother not care for her future children when she decided to burn the coal? Autistic niggers are some of the most bullied people American high schools.
All around I’d say trash took itself out, his father is probably rotting in prison and we have 1 less nigger to deal with in the current year when race relations are at an all time low.
Only thing I’m worried about is winds getting even further delayed because of this.

[Anonymous No.23926716]

>>23926715
>white mother
She looks like a spic although its hard to tell under all her makeup, breast implants, and lip injections.
I'd kill myself if my mother was a bimbo too.

[Anonymous No.23926717]

>>23926688
You want quality threads, how's this? Thirteen years in /grrm/ I wanted The Winds of Winter, but I compromised. I read fan theories off obscure ASOIAF forum posts instead.

[Anonymous No.23926721]

>>23926697
>tywin was a heinous monster
If I could put aside my fondness for his character then yes I would agree with you. Tywin does plenty fucked up things, but I would argue that at the very least he's not a one-sided monster. Virtually no-one blames him for what he did to the Reynes and the Tarbecks, he was a good Hand that made the realm prosper, and if we look at the scarce mentions of him when Joanna was alive, he wasn't always so callous. He also seems to have some regrets about how he organized the sack of King's Landing in his conversations with Tyrion, how he should have realized the Cregor and Amory were psychopathic freaks who only brought him troubles by killing Ellia, whom he didn't even mention in his orders to them. He is a cold, ruthless person, but (with the exception of what he does to Tyrion) he doesn't do things because he enjoys it, which in my eyes makes *some* of his actions just a bit more justified.

>remains a piece of shit who does decent deeds very begrudgingly
If WoW ever comes out then I believe we'll see Jaime becoming the knight he always dreamt of being. He has already gone on a spree of acting justly and honorably in DwD. Throwing the Cersei's letter in the fire seems to me like he renounces his actions after the sack of KL up to him leaving the city to take the Riverlands, which is why I think he's becoming more "grey"

[Anonymous No.23926723]

>>23926717
kek
you know i always wondered
would the sopranos crime family survive westerosi politics with tony as its patriarch?

[Anonymous No.23926726]

>>23926723
>your brother Rhaegar, whateva happened there...

[Anonymous No.23926730]

>>23926723
They wouldn’t survive a book, probably get red wedding’d immediately because of how impulsive Tony is. He only knows how to make threats and be charismatic, basically a dumber Tywin

[Anonymous No.23926740]

>Listen to me, this guy was a Stormlander knight. He was in the gold cloaks or something. He single-handedly killed 16 Blackfyre rebels. Be fucking careful.
>All right.
>What did he say?
>He said the guy killed 16 Blackwoods, and he was an golden company merc.

[Anonymous No.23926741]

When this series going to be finished? I don't start series that are still ongoing.

[Anonymous No.23926762]

>>23926741
2 weeks give or take

[Anonymous No.23926767]

>>23926740
how is paulie getting cell service in westeros? did he replace his sim card with a glass candle?

[Anonymous No.23926771]

>>23926688
...you have a problem with humanity rising above its petty squabbles and uniting against an existential threat?

[Anonymous No.23926782]

>>23926771
The Others are part of humanity, numbnuts. The Other-homo sapiens conflict is a petty squabble.

[Anonymous No.23926793]

>>23926723

[Anonymous No.23926796]

>>23926782
>The Others are part of humanity
According to which fanfic?

[Anonymous No.23926809]

>>23926796
>language
>culture
>metalworking
>clothing
>diplomacy
More human than some peoples you can find on this planet, I tell you hwhat.

[Anonymous No.23926824]

>>23926809
you forgot
>want to rid the world of all things warm and zombify everybody

[Anonymous No.23926830]

>>23926730
They wouldn't get Red Wedding'd (well, unless they sided with Robb and were at the actual Red Wedding), that was an unprecedented event that shocked the entire continent because of the breaking of guest right.

[Anonymous No.23926832]

>>23926824
Only because of the land rights dispute. It’s just posturing.

[Anonymous No.23926869]

>>23926793
>In light of recent humiliations, it's an honor to be joined by First Men.
>and not SWORDSWALLOWER-ASS ANDAL COCKSUCKERS, LIKE BETRAYED ROBB STARK. HE SHOULD FUCKIN DIE

[Anonymous No.23926993]

>>23926793
post valyrians1.png

[Anonymous No.23927048]

>>23926688
>What the fuck you guys
Literally what is wrong about the concept? The show's execution sucked ass, but Jon's maneuvering with Stannis, Melisandre his Watch, a hundred different groups Wildlings, the Karstraks, the Iron Throne and the Bank is literally the same thing but in smaller scale, and it's objectively good. "All coming down to a team fight against the Others" can be done well if the focus is the insane cartwheels that multiple characters will have to pull in order to build that kind of a team, and it's indisputable that "unlikely assemblances and how they come to be" is one of the of GGRM's favorite things ever:
>Jon's rebuilding of the Watch
>Cersei, Tyrion and Littlefinger's efforts to protect King's Landing from Stannis.
>The Trial of Seven over Dunk at the Ashford Tourney
>Dany's army of Dothraki, Unsullied, shavepates, freedmen, gladiators and sellswords, led by Westerosi knights
>Ned's Seven at the Tower of Joy
>Yoren's defense against Amory Loch
>Arya, Jaquen and the Weasel soup
>Arianne Martell's conspiracy
>fAegon's entourage of Griff, Imp, Duckfield, Halfmaester and Lemore
>Victarion, Moqorro and the dusky woman
>The novices gang at the Citadel
>Bloody Mummers. Just the Bloody Mummers
>The crew of Silence

"An unlikely alliance of colorful individuals with diverse goals barely held together by a common agenda" is the constant core of everything he wrote for the series.

[Anonymous No.23927765]

>>23926697
> tormented his son for no reason but hateful spite
His wife was raped by his former best friend turned psycho and died in childbirth birthing his rape monster. Tywin tried to raise him out of love for Joanna but his every time he looked at Tyrion he saw his raped dead wife and Aerys smiling and laughing and mocking him. He had more reason to hate Tyrion than cat did Jon, and she’s considered complex

[Anonymous No.23927799]

>>23927765
>his rape monster
Um, twins are the rape babies. Timeline matches perfectly for them, but not for Tyrion.

Though Tywin himself probably thought the opposite.

[Anonymous No.23927817]

>>23927799
Tyrion has platinum blonde hair and dreams of dragons though. He was one of those deformed dragon babies but lived to adulthood

[Anonymous No.23927841]

>>23927817
>dreams of dragons though
Dragon dreams are not necessarily about dragons, a lot of them don't mention dragons at all. What defines them is their overt, intense and intrusive precognitive qualities, to the point the people who experience them cannot ignore them: Dany can't, Daenys and Aegons I and III and IV couldn't, and neither could Maester Aemon and Daemon II Blackfyre. Daeron the Drunken tried to and failed utterly.

Tyrion did not have dreams that seem to predict the future, neither to us nor to him.

>He was one of those deformed dragon babies
A dragon baby with no draconic characteristics whatsoever, huh? A dwarf can be a dwarf.

[Anonymous No.23927854]

>>23927841
>overt, intense and intrusive precognitive qualities
Guys, I just realized.

What if the future and past sight are not the inherent qualities of Weirwoods, but something that greenseers or others with prophetic blood bring to them? Originally the trees can only remember, but with greenseers weirwoods gain prophetic power of their blood, not only remembering but now also perceiving future and past from thousands of perspectives. The trees gaining perception of things other than the past, and the seers overcoming the fragmentary nature of their prophetic perception through brodened perspective - a symbiosis.

And when they have no people with green dreams, those with dragons will also do. This is why the Children of the Forest accepted Brynden as a greenseer.

[Anonymous No.23927870]

>>23927841
There was that story about Tyrion having a tail as a baby, maybe tywin ordered it cut off before Oberyn could see it

[Anonymous No.23927947]

>>23927765
jon wasn't cat's son

[Anonymous No.23927980]

>>23927947
And Tyrion isn’t tywins son. He’s aerys’

[Anonymous No.23927987]

>>23927980
Cersei will marry fAegon and Tyrion will rape and impregnate her at the wedding.

It's like poetry it rhymes.

[Anonymous No.23927993]

Gentlemen....would you fuck and marry your father's 17 year old widow?

[Anonymous No.23927995]

>>23927980
cope

[Anonymous No.23928039]

>>23927993
id wait a year probably

[Anonymous No.23928155]

>>23927765
>>23927799
>>23927817
>>23927980
fanfiction

[Anonymous No.23928158]

>>23927993
If she has a good claim, maybe
otherwise, I'm into older women, so probably not

[Anonymous No.23928169]

>>23928158
why don't you just start taking cocks up the ass and sucking dicks and swallowing cum?

[Anonymous No.23928181]

>>23926688
Oh come on you never saw hotd/asoif twitter then lol
That's where your braincells go to die

>>23926569
I remember feeling the same way about GOT when people were raving about 'ohhh you don't know who will get killed next" some deaths weren't a shock at all to me.
Same with the book "morally grey" yes of course lol
Like >>23926684 said
It becomes even funnier when you involve the Brackens and Blackwoods like hmmm I wonder who the Morally gReY team is in this fight

You can see the same thing in HOTD discussions, in the F&B GRRM didn't really...try to make the greens that sympathetic and for the longest time were mustache twirling villains yet he went around saying it's a story where there's no "all good" and "all evil" characters. Ignoring Condal taking a shit on the story, GRRM didn't write the Greens to be very sympathetic either way.

[Anonymous No.23928185]

>>23928181

It was originally one post but for some reason it kept getting rejected until I shorted it
Have another twitter screenshot about F&B.


>>23925242
That will definitely happen
>>23926687
Tbh GRRM did say that the rise of fascism was stressing him out too much so yeah say goodbye to Winds

>>23915760
GRRM did say that some people did figure out the ending for the story
>>23916291
Winds will answer that
Trust trust me bro

[Anonymous No.23928235]

>>23928181
>ohhh you don't know who will get killed next
yeah that's another weird reputation it has, ned is perhaps the only truly shocking and unexpected death imo
there's a fucking shitton of plot armor in asoiaf, like tyrion slaughtering a bazillion enemies and surviving brush after brush with death

[Anonymous No.23928336]

>>23928169
he's neither you nor your mother

[Anonymous No.23928384]

>>23928235
>tyrion slaughtering a bazillion enemies and surviving brush after brush with death
The Battles of the Greenfork and Blackwater are pure kino but I was rolling my eyes at Tyrion taking down knights three times his size

[Anonymous No.23928395]

Every year I grow closer to accepting that ASoIaF will never be finished, that we'll instead have four spin off shows and HBOs' ending as canon.

[Anonymous No.23928402]

>>23928395
That should be a fire under GRRM's ass but it doesn't seem to be. He was even talking about his dead friends and musing on what his own legacy will be. That man don't give a fuck about nothin.

[Anonymous No.23928494]

"To drive the lesson home, Lord Tywin gave my wife to a barracks of his guardsmen to use as they please, and commanded me to watch." And to take her one last, after the rest were done. [...] "So you will remember her as she truly is", he said, and I should have defied him, but my cock betrayed me, and I did as I bid."

I feel like that detail gets overlooked. That not did Tyrion take part, he was as aroused as he was heartbroken. What did GRRM mean by this?

[Anonymous No.23928964]

>>23928494
tyrion is into NTR

[Anonymous No.23929003]

thoughts on In Deep Geek?

[Anonymous No.23929052]

>>23929003
feels like half his videos lately are retreading the same topics he's covered before, just with slop added to the slideshows

[Anonymous No.23929077]

>>23928384
same with asha after deepwood motte, it's so stupid. gurm makes a point of how å skilled and strong fighter like brienne struggles against biter and rorge one at a time, but then you have asha casually slaying northmen like a video game protagonist

[Anonymous No.23929101]

>>23928185
>GRRM did say that some people did figure out the ending for the story
I don't think that's too difficult to do, at least have some general idea of how the main plot will conclude. I wonder how much of what we saw in the show came from the plot points GRRM gave the producers

[Anonymous No.23929124]

>>23926723
I'm actually surprised nobody has made something like this yet. Surely someone would be autistic enough to do it.
It'd be a fuck of a lot more interesting than any of the million narcissistic self-insert fics.

[Cook No.23929364]

>>23928336
Haha, that was a good one, anon :D

[Anonymous No.23929610]

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