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After reading a lot of philosophy I decided to try and get back into theology, see where it would lead me as I used to be kinda Christian, but reading these sort of quotes and phrases now just makes me cringe. When I read stuff like this, I don’t see a striving for goodness and truth over any “earthly” power, I just see a slave coping with his inability to enact his will and reinterpreting this weakness to be good. Idk, I was looking into reading more theology to see if it would lead me to Christ, but this sort of meek attitude prevalent throughout every piece just makes me sick. What do anons

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>>23800544
>I know nothing about theology but I read some quotes that fly right over my head and my VIBE isn't good or something
Get the fuck off this board and go read, retard

>> No.23800572

>>23800544
It takes a shitload of will power and strength of character to live the way they did. Yes they conceived of true freedom as devotion/slavery to Christ, welcome to Christianity, but if you think they were cringing eunuchs you should read more than memequotes and find out how wrong you are.

>> No.23800597

>>23800544
>I just see a slave coping with his inability to enact his will and reinterpreting this weakness to be good
Is this some sort of reverse psychology bluff? This is (part of) what Augustine in the quote you posted says about you.

>> No.23800602

>>23800572
Any recommendations then? This philosophy of “blessed are the meek” is frankly unnatural, but I’m willing to keep an open mind

>> No.23800603

>>23800571
fpbp

>> No.23800607

>>23800602
why don't you go explore some other religious traditions instead? this is an entirely self-created problem

>> No.23800615

>>23800607
Am European, no other religion has a deeper history bar ethnic paganism but that’s long lost. Still, there has to be something worthwhile in here, I don’t want to abandon it yet.

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>>23800615
>I don’t want to abandon it yet.
This simple statement means more than you realize at this time
We're praying for you

>> No.23800651

>>23800639
Thank you anon, I’ll stick through.

>> No.23800667

>>23800602
I'm not spoon-feeding you any more.

>> No.23800696

>>23800615
>but that’s long lost
Anon if you're White and straight you can join the Asatru Folk Assembly today. This isn't some esoteric or occult project or something, it's a living religion with temples and clerics.

>> No.23800698

>>23800602
Sayings of the Desert Fathers
Macarius
Life of Anthony

>> No.23800712

>>23800696
>it's a living religion with temples and clerics.
It's a LARP with total fucking losers

>> No.23800723

>>23800544
I'm not even a theist but you are fucking retarded. He's talking about bondage to sin. The virtuous slave is free in Christ

>> No.23800727

>>23800544
Anon you need to abandon Nietzschean morality to follow Christ. Everything Augustine said there is basic Christianity.

>> No.23800753

>>23800696
>you could go outside and do stuff instead of complaining on the internet
Did you get lost? This is /lit/.

>> No.23800769

>>23800723
Literal doublespeak lmfao

>> No.23800774

>>23800696
>if you're White and straight
wait what? they dont let in gays and blacks?

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>>23800774
It's a European ethnoreligion, so they only let in White people, and homosexuality, trannyism, LGBTBBQ+, etc, is condemned by their Gods, so they don't let in people who aren't straight. Given the number of kids that are present at their gatherings they're pretty clearly profamily in addition to that.

>> No.23800838

I'm pretty sure I remember even Socrates saying something along those lines in essence albeit maybe not with the overtly slavish language but still in essence about mastery of the self, which is not something aristocrats/rulers themselves are ipso facto capable of.

>> No.23800859

>>23800544
Would you still have this frame of mind if a powerful man (rich, physically strong, whatever) chose to live a Christian life? Or are you backwards engineering in thinking that living as Christ did is weak, therefore calling that powerful man weak? It's a serious question so I'm not trying to pull a gotcha on you.

>> No.23800866

>>23800769
How can somebody be this filtered? Go watch Veggie Tales and work your way up.

>> No.23800876

>>23800615
Have you looked at modern ethnic religion at all? Because there is everything a religion needs. There’s philosophy, myth, history, community, art, etc etc.
Things being ‘lost’ is a Christian attitude, as though revelation is finished now. The door is always open to religious insight in paganism. Which is also why it’s not faith-based. You can just go and check for yourself.

>> No.23800883

>>23800876
I already told the other guy that this is a LARP! Stop fucking tlaking about it!

>> No.23801012

>>23800696
>racism
>Christianity
Pick one. Just accept it you're a Nietzschean racist.

>> No.23801013

>>23800883
>LARP
a dude posted a crowd of them at one of their temples, what the fuck is this term even supposed to mean?

>> No.23801035

>>23800544
Christianity is a bunch of faggot bullshit. Disregard it along with Judaism and Islam.

>> No.23801045

>>23801013
It's supposed to mean "pretending to conform to a particular religion to justify your political views".

>> No.23801078

>>23801012
They literally have a fucking Mjolnir on the front of their goddamn temples dude, no shit they're not Christian.

>> No.23801080

>>23801012
meant for >>23800615

>> No.23801086

>>23801078
That's because they're pretending. No one seriously believes in ooga booga nonsense like ghosts and spirits and gods. They're just pretending for politics.

>> No.23801112

>>23801086
>>23801080
>>23801045
That's obviously not the case because their twitter feed is full of them going out and doing rituals and prayers, and their youtube channel is full of videos of them doing rituals and prayers, and their high priest runs a podcast where he and the other ordained clergy that they have talk about prayers, rituals, and give what amount to sermons.

But even if this was just an elaborate ruse for politics: so what? They're clearly better at it than anyone else, as they're actually able to get White people together to engage in prosocial behavior, form families, and have an above replacement birthrate, all while keeping nonwhites and homos out and forming ingroup patronage networks and charities, something no other religion can do. So what's the problem? Do you just not like that they're successful? Are you worried that they're trying to trick you?

>> No.23801962

>>23800544
Christianity was way cooler when it didn't cherrypick the words of Jesus into being a harmless, anodyne non-entity in society that anybody can use as a doormat, but instead cherrypicked the other words of Jesus into becoming this muscular, monstrous entity that demanded total social control and submission. Seriously though, when you accept that all the vital parts of Christianity from the past, including BTFOing pagans, were Christians just sidestepping the logical implications of parts of their belief system(as well they should've), it all makes sense.

>> No.23801966

>>23800571
this

>> No.23802647

>>23800571
>op is a faggot
>fpbp
a tale as old as time

>> No.23802760

>>23800859
It’s hard because that completely goes against scripture, I admire many ‘Christian’ men throughout history, but they weren’t even morally Christian, the knights of Medieval Europe and their tales are all pagan myths and moral attitudes with Christianity slapped on top. The ultimate Christian isn’t a powerful and strong man, it’s a meek and pious priest, that’s what really disillusions me.

>> No.23802832

>>23802760
This comes off as peak grug to me. The idea being pushed forward here doesn't make sense even when boiled down to the practical and local. The most powerful person in your town is almost never some ubermensch gigachad; it's a little old man.

>> No.23802868

>>23800883
Hang yourself retard, nobody is larping by being true to their racial soul

>> No.23802883 [DELETED] 

>>23802760
Wrong, they can be powerful too, a Christian is not weak

>> No.23802887 [DELETED] 

>>23800876
You are gay and your mom is faggot

>> No.23802914

>>23800544
Might as well put a camel through the head of a needle.

>> No.23803054

>>23800544
You are reading the Bible out of context. Never read quotes alone, you need to read it at least on chapter at a time, if not the entire book / epistle.
The point that is being made is that material possessions and vices are palliative to the rich man who would otherwise seek salvation. There isn't anything inherently wrong with being rich, it is that he thinks these riches have anything to do with his salvation.
Often times, when a spiritual lesson is being taught, it must use material examples for people to understand it. The reason why Christ's lessons often seem so wild is because he is not talking about the world, he is talking about heaven.

>> No.23803124

>>23801112
Pagan rites are ritual magic. You’re already going about this with the idea of historical ‘tradition’ ingrained by residual Christian culture. Pagans don’t believe in that or any manmade/revealed religion, so there’s nothing to be ‘lost’. Even if nobody practiced paganism for a thousand years someone could just pick it up again and it would be as valid as ever. That’s why a hindu is as much of a pagan as an asatru or a native american. Personally this doesn’t interest me so I live mostly irreligiously, but thoughtfully, and do some meditation practices.

>>23802832
The most powerful people are the healthiest, most creative, and most in touch with nature. Worldly manipulation is for fags and control freaks. The world of people and nations quite literally has nothing to offer, as Jesus said, and yet Christianity as it is preached is entirely caught up in the slave-master dialectic.

>> No.23803145

>>23800544
Schopenhauer wrote an entire series on the will but did not address what to do when confronted with strong wills in others. It is always improve yourself, be virtuous, etc. To a point that fends off some subversive behavior, but not when they’re rounding you up into the gulags.

>> No.23803153

>>23803124
>The most powerful people are the healthiest, most creative, and most in touch with nature.
Then Joe Biden is healthier than you, more creative, and most in touch with nature.

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>>23800544
The Heavenly Kingdom is far, far more superior than being a slave to sin, to nature. You'll always suffer that way, and I mean it. You'll always be on edge, for the sake of nothing. The only thing that matters is the Eternal.

>> No.23803172

>>23801112
>Yeah it's larp but it's based

>> No.23803174

>>23800698
desert monk schizos are literally the opposite of what op is asking for

>> No.23803184

>>23800602
The Meaning of the Creative Act by Berdyaev
Ascetism is a call, if you aren't made for it don't do it each man has his own talents.

>> No.23803212

>>23803124
If you truly believe manipulation is for faggots then stop being a faggot, and cease relying on the ambiguity of what all can be entailed in the term 'powerful' to arbitrarily claim one thing is moreso than another.

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>>23800544
>be a literal christcuck slave in Rome
>some African nigger tells you that you’re actually a free man because you physically cannot do what you want
>christsisters actually believed this

>> No.23803272

>>23800571
First post best post

>> No.23803280

>>23800769
Moron

>> No.23803283

>>23800544
>>23800602
I mean yeah one of the many psyops anti-christians use about christianity is that it's an apology of weakness, slave mentality, cope for your own shortcomings, herd-like mentality, sky daddy, delusional etc
Nothing new under the horizon, you have to be willing to see past that by simply postponing judgement and going with the initial axiomatics that christianity presents. If you're devoted enough you'll also be able to heuristically refute sinful behaviour as being good.
Simply go with it and tell yourself the unnatural aspect is normal because we are born with the original sin, which works as the building block distorting everything we think of as being good and bad. The world as we know today has put so much emphasis on sinful behaviour as being good and feeding lies to feed other lies that everything a Christian will say will be interpreted incorrectly if you're not laying down the groundwork correctly first.

>> No.23803291

>>23803153
Nta but how?

>> No.23803298

>>23803283
>ALL CRITICISM OF THE CHRISTIAN FAITH IS A PSYOP
You're an idiot

>> No.23803299

>>23803153
Biden isn't powerful. His position makes him extremely vulnerable to coercion. How much of his decisions are taken for him by other people, or are influenced by other people? To be powerful is to be free, and to be free is to know the Truth. There's no other way around this.

>> No.23803326

>>23803291
I don't believe it, but if he were to be logically consistent (which he won't) with the criteria he listed that's what he would have to admit. One of the entailments of power is the capacity to control others, and if you don't think Biden has a greater capacity to do that than this random retard then I don't know what to tell you. All he can do is what >>23803212 stated and rely on some art-hoe tier definition of powerful.

>> No.23803400

>rely on some art-hoe tier definition of powerful.
>To be powerful is to be free, and to be free is to know the Truth
Like I sad >>23803291 the position is a joke. This is how most pagan-adjacent discussions on power end. One second it's "might is right," with power being equated to sunning your balls, drinking eggs, and slamming hatchets into the middle of people's foreheads. But if you point out that there exists someone with more power than them who does none of those things then it turns into "You misunderstand. True power is like, to be free, man!"

>> No.23803436

>>23803400
If you don't have power over yourself, you are nothing. Powerful people always have to answer to some necessity. They are never able to break that necessity either. They are bounded by it.
And power, in the way you mean it, it's always temporal. Death makes your definition of power meaningless.

>> No.23803505

>>23803436
assertion [ uh-sur-shuhn ] - Phonetic (Standard)
noun
1.) A positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason:

>> No.23803747

>>23800602
How can it be "frankly unnatural" if it is found in a more general sense throughout the world's intellectual traditions?

>> No.23803776

>>23801112
>But even if this was just an elaborate ruse for politics: so what?
>Proceeds to soapbox
Moral constructivism is possibly the least trad thing imaginable and characteristically postmodern
Cynical moron, fuck off. Saged

>> No.23803822

>>23802832
>The most powerful person in your town is almost never some ubermensch gigachad; it's a little old man.
This has been the case long before civilization or Christianity rose to prominence. The office of the pervasive, archetypal shaman was regarded on par with that of the warriors (at the very least), although the conclusions of the former significantly influenced the latter's choices and thus cast a wider net of consequences.

>> No.23803900

>>23802760
You can be a meek pious priest internally yet be an emperor externally. Hinduism also recognizes this, the concept is called "detachment" or "dispassion". It consists in faithfully discharging your duties while not allowing them to infringe on your internal environment. Furthermore, even the "meek and pious priests" not uncommonly maintained a subtle and deep influence on the rest of society, quietly shaping it from the background. Life is more complex than you suppose.

>> No.23803922 [DELETED] 

>>23803283
Your mom is a faggot piggy, you are so dumb and delusional

>> No.23803989

>>23800544
>but reading these sort of quotes and phrases now just makes me cringe
Why though? I'm an atheist but this one makes perfect sense. Good men sleep peacefully because they know nobody is after them, as they haven't done any evil, while sinful men have to constantly watch out since there constantly might be someone trying to e.g. take revenge. Good men are slaves to doing good deeds, while evil people are basically slaves to everyone they've wronged. It's better to be a slave to one thing, than to be a slave to multiple things, simple as that.

>I just see a slave coping with his inability to enact his will and reinterpreting this weakness to be good
Because his goodness is, in fact, good for everyone in the long term. If you are a good person in the biblical sense, everyone in your community, including yourself, benefits in the long term, while if you "enact your will" through sinful means, you're just going to profit short-term, while your whole community likely won't.

>this sort of meek attitude prevalent throughout every piece just makes me sick
I guess you might be disappointed, since you basically disagree with one of the most core beliefs of Christianity. I mean, you basically agreed with
>Better to reign in hell, than to serve in heaven
and you likely know whose quote is that if you're on this board. Hey, you can always check out a new religion :)

>> No.23804026

>>23803270
test

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>>23804026
Christsister jannies are suppressing the truth. Sad.

>> No.23804173

>>23800571
I've studied the bible for at least 5 years and the more I learn, the more gay, jewish and retarded it seems. On top of that, the vibes are weak. Even crusader LARPers and CIs don't give an aura of strength.

>> No.23804190

>>23804173
I've studied the bible for 10 years and the more I learn, the more straight, Aryan and based it seems. On top of that, the vibes are strong. Even crusader LARPers and Cls give an aura of strength.

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>>23800544
Worthless thread

>> No.23804245

>>23803400
>"might is right," with power being equated to sunning your balls, drinking eggs, and slamming hatchets into the middle of people's foreheads.
Do you really think that this describes the belief of the people in >>23800788?

>> No.23804504

>>23804213
yeah bro you’re so above it all and esoteric because like cool mystical seeing eye man. You’re on 4chan like the rest of us fucking retard
>>23804035
Fuck jannies

>> No.23805074

>>23800544
You won't get to Christ by reading theology or by vetting his teachings against what you think to be sound philosophy. To start with, you are putting the cart before the horse. You must learn what the Gospel is and believe on that before anything else.
Simply embrace Him and believe on Him for your salvation, and repent of your sins. Believe that he died for your sins and that through no one else but Him may one be eternally united to God. Everything else will follow on your life-long journey of sanctification.

May Christ be with you anon.

>> No.23805164

>>23805074
you're putting the cart before the horse. Why would I want to "get to Christ?" Why follow Christianity? Everything I've read leads me to believe it's a myth made by jews like Paul/Saul to give degenerate moral to their enemies and instill a special reverence for jews and jewish mythic history.

>> No.23805263

If pagancucks were so strong why all the Christian chads killing them and raped their women converting them to Christianity?

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>>23804504
>23804504

>> No.23805282

>>23800712
So then just like regular church?

>> No.23805286

>>23800883
Says the man larping as a jew worshipping a dead kike on a stick. Go fuck yourself with a goat horn.

>> No.23805300

>>23805263
Paganism cucked Christianity. Every single holiday you celebrate is a pagan ritual. Every single cultural tradition was adopted and adapted from paganism. Every single letter of the alphabet originates from paganism.

Every single day of the week is a form of pagan worship in reverence to the deities they were named after (Sunday = Dies Solis = Day of the Sun [worship of the sun god], Monday = Day of the Moon, Tuesday = Tīw's Day, Wednesday = Woden's Day, Thursday = Thor's Day, Friday = Frigedæg, or Day of Venus, with Freyja being based on Venus, Saturday = Day of Saturn).

Almost every single month of the year is a form of pagan worship, in reverence to deities and prominent figures. January = Named after Janus, Roman god of beginnings. February = Februa, Roman purification festival. March = Named after Mars, Roman god of war. April = Aphrodite, greek goddess of love, who also signified the rebirth and renewal of the blooming season. May = Maia, Roman goddess of growth and fertility. June = Juno, Queen of the gods. July = named after Julius Caesar. August = Augustus, the first emperor of Rome, and a representative of divine authority.

You've secretly been a pagan all this time. And we cucked you out from beneath your church.

>> No.23805348

>>23800544
Because it is the way towards becoming fully human.

You are placing emphasis on worldly ideals here, and of course from the outside looking in it would seem "cucked" or "meek" but this is precisely what is keeping you from realizing reality at it's core (Love - God).

>> No.23805398

>>23800544
What he's saying is based on Aristotle. Aristotle held that there a two parts of the soul, one with reason which rules, and one which obeys. Aristotle said that "goodness" consisted in having the soul of a freeman. He who has a slave soul would be a natural slave, even though he be ruler. A man that cannot control his vices is thus held hostage by the inferior parts of his soul.

>> No.23805412

>>23800572
>>23803184
Why is ascetism in Christianity "based" but ascetism in Buddhism "cringe"?

>> No.23805471

>>23800544
You are a literal slave if you aren't ready to die every second.ppxp

>> No.23805487

>>23800544
You didn't understand what you just posted did you?

>> No.23805492

>>23805263
Europeans are physically strong and courageous, but also naive and too trusting of outsiders. Christianity was spread by sneaky jews doing dumb ploys like "your king is Christian now, so you are too." Most country folk (literally what "pagan" means) kept to the old ways even as recently as the 19th century, but cityfags decided to follow their king and his court jews into practicing judaism for gentiles, though like >>23805300 said, even then it had to be given a pagan coat of paint to sweeten the poison.

>> No.23805499

>>23805412
To Christians, everything in life must be connected in some way to the Christ story or it is evil.
So, meditating while thinking of Christ/scripture = based
but meditating in silence, saying a non-christian mantra, or thinking of a sutra = evil demon thing.
Anything not Christian = evil demon thing that must be destroyed or make to serve the foreskin eating god.

>> No.23805639

>>23805412
It's called 'mental gymnastics' anon

>> No.23806287

>>23805412
Because both don't do it for the same reasons and so they are completely different. Buddhism believes you can save yourself, that doing these spiritual practices is enough. All these esoteric beliefs tell you that you can achieve some divine state, that you have that divine spark in you, that you are not a sinner but simply live in ignorance, in the matrix, so basically you are a victim to something, could be a demiurge, the system, a specific group of people or whatever.
This is why our society loves buddhism, even though it's a watered-down version of it. It reaffirms your place as a victim, your innocence and your divinity, the belief that you can free yourself by yourself, completely playing into what Christians call the original sin and Lucifer, the false good.
For Christians some ascetism just emerges from the denying of sinful pleasures, as a logical way to follow in Christ's footsteps, deny sin in the flesh, the worldly pleasures and attempt to get as close as possible to God without ever being able to rid ourselves of the sinful nature we were born with. We are active participants in the foolishness of this world and are as foolish and guilty as anyone including our sick leaders and the criminals of our society. Anyone but God. All that you do without God in mind is done for the wrong reasons and simply ends up in your destruction and humiliation.

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>>23805412
>>23805499
>>23805639
The main goal of asceticism in Buddhism is to achieve Nirvana, and the destruction of the ego is seen as fundamental to achieving this. In common parlance, the term 'ego' carries with it negative connotations, but in principle, it refers to a person's sense of self. Christians do not believe it is possible to destroy the ego, nor do they believe one should aim to, as doing so would lead to the delusion that they can rid themselves of things like desire, awareness, control, and so on. Instead, Christians believe one should aim to temper these aspects and direct them accordingly. In this regard, I find the Christian stance on the matter to be a much more realistic approach to life.

>> No.23806311

>>23806310
Anon the central point of Buddhism is that there is no ego.

>> No.23806322

>>23806311
That doesn't take away from the point being made. Replace "and the destruction of the ego" with "and the destruction of what they view is the illusion of ego" and carry on.

>> No.23806931

>>23803400
You’re trying to argue with a hivemind where there isn’t one. Even if there were a hivemind, by arguing against it you would be no better than an antithesis. I’m sorry to say but Nietzsche is locked to you forever. Not all of us are going to make it.

>> No.23806938

>>23803326
William Blake the famous art hoe. Twitter-tier board

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>>23800544
the belief that Christianity offers the ultimate salvation is a foundational part of their faith. According to Christian doctrine, salvation is offered through Jesus Christ, who is believed to be the Son of God and the Savior of the world. The key teachings include:

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>>23806953
Salvation through Jesus Christ: Christians believe that Jesus’ death on the cross and His resurrection were acts of divine intervention that reconcile humanity with God. Through His sacrifice, people are saved from sin and granted eternal life (John 14:6).

>> No.23806960

>>23800544
true Christianity is talking about your masturbation habits in small groups, and the more you talk about your masturbation habits in small groups, the more Christian you are

there's also some other stuff about not kicking pedos out of your congregations, but that's a minor and obscure theological point compared to discussion of guilt over masturbation

>> No.23806969

>>23805263
Christians would offer gifts to pagans for conversion, usually a new robe. pagans would then go and exploit this to obtain multiple robes in different regions. At the same time as they became "nominally" Christian they also signed away any protest to their children getting Christian education. At this point pedo Christians came in and groomed the pagan children because they "signed a deal" or whatever spurious reason. no different from modern trannies imo

>> No.23806993

>>23806969
Why are pagans so stupid?

>> No.23807000

>>23800544
Congratulations, you understand the real essence of the religion that enslaved the soul of millions of Europeans by making them afraid of their true nature. Just because that kind of morality has been imposed on us for centuries doesn’t mean it’s our true nature, nobody really believes this cuck lies

>> No.23807019

>>23806956
>jewish sacrificial scapegoat atonement blood magick ritual is such a valid and binding part of reality that even God needs to use it to save people
I highly doubt reality works like this, but to each their own I guess
>>23806993
just how whites are, gullible to a fault and they believe others think like they do and don't have evil intentions.

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23807038

>>23807019
>t.

>> No.23807108

This >>23807000 Christianity is the religion of the cucks. Our try nature can’t be expressed through this hippy nonsense, our Will cannot be contained anymore.

Anyone who has real European blood won’t stand for this faggotry anymore

>> No.23807242

>>23800571
>know nothing about theology but I read some quotes that fly right over my head and my VIBE isn't good or something

This is literally how Christians check for heresies.

>> No.23807291

>>23800667
>"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect” 1 Peter 3:15
Do better, anon

>> No.23807949

>>23803989
>starts off pretending to make some fleshed-out explanation
> ends post with a glib sign-off indistinguishable from an obese crossdresser on reddit.

Doomsday Hebrew Prophet Jesus bar Joseph died almost 2000 years ago, and he never came back. Neurotic fear about the Hall Monitor From Beyond torturing you forever for not doing exactly as he wants your whole life is a sad excuse for religion that burns its goodwill away sooner or later.