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[Anonymous No.23799676]

This book spoke so much truth. Heinlein is up there with Orwell and Huxley.

>All right, let's sum up. This year we explored the failure of democracy. How our social scientists brought our world to the brink of chaos. We talked about the veterans, how they took control and established the stability that has lasted for generations since...

>Something given has no value. When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.

>Naked force has resolved more conflicts throughout history than any other factor. The contrary opinion, that violence doesn't solve anything, is wishful thinking at its worst. People who forget that always die.

[Anonymous No.23799704]

>a one world government where only jrotc kids are allowed to vote is the superior political system
Heinlein was a free loving libertarian boomer.

[Anonymous No.23799717]

don't forget
>Filipinos are the most powerful race in the Universe
based Bobby H.

[Anonymous No.23799732]

>>23799704
>Mandatory government service to vote
>libertarian
Sounds fucking beyond based to me.
>>23799676
There are generally two kinds of responses to this book (ignoring those who pretend to have actually read it and still insist on they know what it's about):
1) People that read it and realize that everything wrong with modern society is that useless eaters are allowed control over a system that they only want to take from and not contribute to.
2) Useless eaters who have an untenable vision of how society should operate (to cater to them) and an expectation that someone else needs to do the heavy lifting to bring that society to fruition.

[Anonymous No.23799747]

>>23799704
spotted the zoomer.

he realised the importance of having a social core that is represented and willing to defend itself. What we see today is the social core of Western society is disenfranchised and apathetic - that's changing, though.

[Anonymous No.23799759]

>Writes book from viewpoint of the ignorant slave the system makes, who can only see the the problems that broken system has made, from the person the broken system has made him into.
>People take it as being a justification of that system, not seeing that the system made the problems it then had to solve and changed the people to be able to solve it.

Maybe start with Uncle Tom, then work you way up to some other unreliable narrators before you make a pronouncement of the author’s intentions.

[Anonymous No.23799761]

>>23799732
fun fact: Verhoven didn't even read the book before making the movie.

He thought it was about nazis so he made the movie as a "satire" and all the smooth-brains thought it was deep.

[Anonymous No.23799768]

>>23799759
Rico, and certainly Rasczac, were not ignorant slaves.

see >>23799732 - I feel like you're reading it from the second perspective.

Explain how you mean the system is broken.

[Anonymous No.23799844]

>>23799732
The concept of “useless eaters” begs the question is anyone really useful at all? If human beings are prone to error why have humans to begin with?

[Anonymous No.23799846]

>>23799761
Dutch people are vermin

[Anonymous No.23799870]

>>23799704
>I never read the book
FTFY
It is made VERY explicitly clear in the book that "service to the society" is what earns the vote. Not *just* military service.
If you want to earn the vote and are capable of understanding the oath you WILL be put to work and you will earn the franchise.

[Anonymous No.23799880]

>>23799732
you sound like a soft-handed wimp afraid of guns

[Anonymous No.23799888]

>>23799759
FFS, have you read *ANY* fucking book?
1) Uncle Tom was not a narrator
2) Uncle Tom slave that refused to think, act, or feel like a slave. He was tortured to death by other slaves and refused to hate them because he knew they had been corrupted by the hatred underlying slavery and knew they were far more damaged than he was.
3) Rico was a well-educated man with full autonomy.

[Anonymous No.23799939]

>>23799844
Spoken like a useless eater
>>23799880
>Projection
whatever you say, Karen.
>>23799768
>Explain how the current system is broken
Another useless eater.

[Anonymous No.23800088]

>>23799939
I didn't say the current system. I meant for him to explain how the system in the book was broken.

[Anonymous No.23800100]

>>23799939
You’re on 4chan. Projection much? If you’re posting on here you’re not winning at life. I don’t make the laws, I’m just the weatherman

[Anonymous No.23800188]

>>23799939
Yup.
civilian wimp that fears real masculinity se he adopts a swagger of classism.
Many such cases

[Anonymous No.23800199]

>>23799939
>>Explain how the current system is broken
translation
>anon has poor reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.23800495]

>>23800199
>Explain the obvious to a useless eater
lol priceless.
seriously though, how fat are you 250ish? Or do you measure in kilos?
>>23800100
Stay mad useless eater. Obviously you hate the idea of being held accountable for anything much less contributing to society.

[Anonymous No.23800499]

>>23800088
ah, I see--so you formatted the question poorly then got pissy when I didn't answer it.
I never said the system in the book was broken--poor reading comprehension on your part.

[Anonymous No.23800539]

>>23800499
so how are Rico and Rasczac ignorant slaves to a system? And despite your post >>23799759, you now agree the system in the book isn't broken?
I'm confused bro

[Anonymous No.23800581]

forever war by joe haldemann was even more ahead of its time
>go to war for earth
>return 300 years later via time dilation
>STATE ENFORCED HOMOSEXUALITY AND NIGGER RAPE HORDES EVERYWHERE
>immediately leaves earth and never returns

[Anonymous No.23800586]

>>23799676
book is shit, it's a half baked kids book with some common sense philosophy to dunk on libtards interspersed, the movie is so much better

[Anonymous No.23801007]

>>23799747
That's what soldiers are. Stupid meat meant to die for the rich people.

[Anonymous No.23801151]

>>23800495
>still a bad reader
FTFY

[Anonymous No.23801155]

>>23800499
>PROJECTION!
FTY

[Anonymous No.23801590]

>>23799676
>implying social scientists have any political sway whatsoever
lol. lmao, even

[Anonymous No.23801837]

>>23799747
That quote isn't actually from Thucydides.

[Anonymous No.23801844]

>>23799717
QRD?

[Anonymous No.23801856]

>>23801844
the protagonist is filipino, in the movie/anime adaptation he's from Buenos Aires, Argentina

[Anonymous No.23801946]

>>23801856
Johnny Rico is fucking brown?!

[Anonymous No.23801970]

>>23801844
Juan "Johnny" Rico is a Filipino man. In the book his mother went to Buenos Aires on vacation. The movie and other adaptations make him an argentinian

[Anonymous No.23802304]

>>23800581
I was legit fascinated by how in the book, the protagonist has zero issues with omnipresent homosexuality. He is only offended by rapant heterophobia he encounters, and even then mildly and distantly, like "stupid nervous kids hyping themselves up because they are afraid, so they turn on what's easy to hate - what's different, like an old queer who's such a pervert he would stick his penis into a woman".