/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.23756730]

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[Anonymous No.23756747]

>>23756730
I'm in desperate need of a good sff story with a train arc or a train for a setting.

[Anonymous No.23756789]

>bro you should read these authors I like they're totally not reddit
>all the authors listed post on reddit
Lmao.

[Anonymous No.23756825]

>>23756730
Just finished reading ‘the dying earth’(first book) by Jack Vance what did I think of it?

[Anonymous No.23756873]

>>23756825
You tell me negro, I'm about to start it.

[Anonymous No.23756886]

>>23756747
Now that you mention it, considering autists love to trains, it's surprisingly they aren't many fantasy with trains.

[Anonymous No.23756913]

Azure Bonds was great until it turned into shit at about the 50% mark. I'm not sure if the authors switched off at that point or what but the back half of the book was so trash that I'm forced to call the person who brought it up here last week gay.

[Anonymous No.23756922]

>>23756825
Currently reading the same. For the first time in a long time I went for a version translated into my own language, which I got at a fantasy fair. The translation has some very nice prose.
It really made me realize what a shame it is to grow up as part of a small lingo-group with a mediocre literary tradition. Things really hit different in your own language. Even as a diluted second-hand work and even though I'm quite fluent in English. Even though I appreciate reading works as they are written.
Which POV did you enjoy most?

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[Anonymous No.23757039]

>>23756825
>what did I think of it?
why cant zoomers form their own opinions?

[Anonymous No.23757083]

[Anonymous No.23757085]

>>23756886
It's a fucking travesty m8

[Anonymous No.23757182]

What's the ATLA of /lit/?

[Anonymous No.23757264]

>>23757182
probably Codex Alera

[Anonymous No.23757373]

>>23756747
Eastbound by Maylis de Kerangal

[Anonymous No.23757376]

found these today

[Anonymous No.23757386]

>>23757376
>servants of wank

[Anonymous No.23757495]

>>23757376
>>23757386
>Joan The Vagina

[Anonymous No.23757583]

>struggling to get into dune messiah after paul beats all the interesting enemies at once at the end of dune
How long until it gets better?

[Anonymous No.23757593]

Daily reminder: you must accept that the audience will make whatever of your work that they want.
Scream against them. For they are animals. They will see what is obviously one thing and make it another.
And defy them, for no matter what they make of your work, it is yours alone.

[Anonymous No.23757646]

Need help finding a specific book about Vikings.
What I know about it:
>main character is girl that gets captured by Vikings and made into slave but I think it eventually becomes a romance
>one Viking guy filed his teeth to make himself look scary but then later regrets it because he can’t get a girlfriend
>the book tried to be realistic in some ways and dispel common Viking myths
>one example of this is raiding, where instead of just running into the village and causing chaos, they form a circle around the village and methodically move in so no one can escape

[Anonymous No.23757686]

>>23757646
Fictional book or real?

[Anonymous No.23757721]

>>23757646
idk, doesn't sound very /sffg/
is it more adventure, drama or romance?

[Anonymous No.23757739]

>>23757646
probably some shitty romantasy book

[Anonymous No.23757762]

Anons, I need help finding a fantasy book but the problem is that I don't know the title. I only remember the cover of the book had these gems that look like infinity stones. I don't know where else to ask for this kind of thing

[Anonymous No.23757765]

>>23757646
This makes me wonder if there are any books with fantasy Vikings? With Raiding, slaving and trading.

[Anonymous No.23757868]

i just realized this is how i've been picturing jasnah kholin

[Anonymous No.23757871]

>>23757762
deltora quest

[Anonymous No.23757894]

>>23757871
Thanks

[Anonymous No.23757918]

>>23756886
autists can't write, it is antithetical to the autist mind

[Anonymous No.23757956]

BORN TO CANT
CONSULT IS A FUCK
鬼神 Kill Em All 4132 Year-of-the-Tusk
I Am Mandati Man
478,637,782 CULLED SRANC

[Anonymous No.23758100]

>>23756730
>https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
Any recs on horror sci-fi about first contact? I've read Peter Watts but didn't really like the vampires and such. looking for something a little less fantastical.

[Anonymous No.23758130]

How come GRRM furiously jacks off over the blackwoods in every single scene they're in?
>blackwoods are lean and aesthetic unlike ugly fat bastard brackens
>blackwoods always pick the right or at least winning side of history
>blackwoods are the only house south of the neck that still actively worship the old gods
>blackwoods have never really been punished for anything
>jaime's blackwood hostage is a nerd who jaime thinks would get on with tyrion, grrm's self insert
>aegon's blackwood mistress was loved by everyone including the queen she was actively cuckolding
>the blackwood great bastard was bloodraven, one of the coolest and most mysterious sorcerers in the series who continually humiliated his bracken great bastard rival, bittersteel
>grrm is on record saying that the blackwoods, who he wrote, have a really interesting history

[Anonymous No.23758202]

>>23757686
>fictional or real
>they form a circle around the village and methodically move in so no one can escape
what do you fucking think

[Anonymous No.23758212]

Did science fiction literature peak in late 80s? Seems like nothing has been able to surpass the original cyberpunk.

[Anonymous No.23758221]

>>23758212
I would say late 90's but yes. there are a few good writers here and there but it's mostly just poorly written space opera now, serious/literary scifi is completely dead

[Anonymous No.23758224]

>>23758212
>Did science fiction literature peak in late 80s?
I would the peak was in the 60's or 70's but yes scifi died around the late 80s/early 90s. there are a few good writers here and there but it's mostly just poorly written space opera now, serious/literary scifi is completely dead.

[Anonymous No.23758299]

>>23758224
>I would the peak was in the 60's or 70's but yes scifi died around the late 80s/early 90s
Maybe it's because our real world technology haven't entered a new phase yet so the sci-fi will be stuck until we do. I don't understand much of the dynamics of pre-80s science fiction but I know when the first personal computers arrived in late 70s it was a jolt which pushed scifi into entirely new chapter. We are still living in the same technological era.

[Anonymous No.23758319]

>>23756730
Hello gents
Please recommend lengthy series of doorstopper books like Wheel of Time but without infamous filler books in between like wot book 9,10 etc. its okay it the series itself doesn't reach the peaks of WoT i just want it to be an enjoyable ride.

[Anonymous No.23758371]

>>23758319
Malazan series maybe

[Anonymous No.23758380]

>>23758371
stuff like Malazan and Daniel Abraham's stuff, Jv Jones , Adrian Tchaikovsky etc are already in my tbr hoping to find some low key lengthy ass series

[Anonymous No.23758389]

>>23758299
Eh before cyberpunk there was the new wave movement (spearheaded by PKD among others) which wasn't really tied to any technological advancement, it was more about authors rejecting the then-prevalent HARD SCIENCES focus of sci-fi and exploring softer, humanist topics and bringing the genre in a more literary direction.
But I think that arm of sci-fi has also dried up simply because they ran out of interesting new topics to explore. I mean, can YOU come up with something PKD hasn't written about?
The most interesting current happening IMO is the new hard SF / rocketpunk movement which is about reviving the Heinlein and Clarke style super hard near future space stories with a focus on hard physics and extrapolating from the current commercial space trends in the real world.
I also hear some buzz around something called "solarpunk" but that sounds so icky to me. The future is in nuclear, not in windmills and solar panels, sorry.

[Anonymous No.23758398]

>>23757376
snow queen is one of my childhood favorites, though i liked world’s end even more, and loved summer queen so much my copy’s almost disintegrated from rereads by now. some people aren’t into the series at all though, but it was the second sf series i was ever given to read as a kid, so i’ll love it forever.

[Anonymous No.23758401]

>>23758389
New Wave was deconstruction of the rocket-era sci-fi which came before it. It didn't bring any new paradigm.

[Anonymous No.23758406]

>>23758401
No it moved away from the rocket stuff entirely.
It was preoccupied with feminism and time loops and mind swapping and other "gotcha" type ideas you could later find covered in single TNG episodes in a more entertaining way.

[Anonymous No.23758419]

Anything good which combines Break the Cutie and Mature Work, Child Protagonists?

[Anonymous No.23758420]

I’m dying to read any decent sf that incorporates m-theory. Best of all would be if it were incorporated in the style of Alastair Reynolds’ Eversion, or Connie Willis’s hard on for quantum.
(Ideal would be where it’s not simply passed by, but cleverly used as the deep referential basis for every aspect of the character development and text.)
Any book at all though, outside of nonfiction, that covers this in some form would be great.
>again, not string theory or its precursors, but a pretty current understanding of m-theory. or even just branes.
any recs?

[Anonymous No.23758425]

Is there any more kino fantasy audio narration then Stephen Fry's rendition of Harry Potter? The guy who narates Sun Eater Series is close but the story is of retard emo who navel gazes his way through everything.

[Anonymous No.23758428]

fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, why the fuck would i read book 3 of farseer trilogy?

[Anonymous No.23758430]

Can we talk about time loops? Seems like everyone hates it, why?

[Anonymous No.23758438]

>>23758430
because it's paradoxical and hard to write. books are a slow burn, and dwelling on something so idiotic wears on some people
it's otherwise cool and fun

[Anonymous No.23758447]

>>23758430
Time travel is not possible

[Anonymous No.23758471]

what fantasy books have the best maps?

[Anonymous No.23758529]

>>23758447
>it's not possible
that's a strange argument to use in science fiction and fantasy literature general

[Anonymous No.23758541]

>>23758529
Look closer, it's a pair of words, the other one of them is science

[Anonymous No.23758550]

>>23758389
>"solarpunk" but that sounds so icky to me
solarpunk is not a thing, it's just like 3 images on twitter it has no collection of works that define it either as an aesthetic or a genre. it was just a bunch of random pictures people decided were "solarpunk". it was an aesthetic without any underlying principles, it was never anything more than the most vague suggestion of a possible future where there's, like, more green stuff, and solar panels and stuff, man. you can go on about how it was about "technological progress coexisting with nature" as if that was never more than just a thin veneer over a kitschy and superficial aesthetic, but that's all it ever was. at least when people pretend to be communists, fascists or something you can go find books written by their supposed heroes and contrast them with their actual beliefs, the twitter aesthetes have left behind even the pretense of believing in actual things in lieu of what is essentially timeline scapbooking
The reason why i believe this arose and got popular is simple - you can discuss the signifiers, imputing to them whatever you wish, using them as value-symbols (badges) etc. without having responsibility towards any text that would actually exist out there and statements regarding which could be 'verified' or scrutinised.

[Anonymous No.23758708]

>>23758541
good point, no sci fi novel has ever had time travel in it.

[Anonymous No.23758724]

>>23758541
If it would be possible by contemporary science then it wouldn't be a science fiction book. Just science.
Frankenstein is considered the first science fiction book. Is it scientifically possible to resurrect a combination of bodies?

[Anonymous No.23758731]

>>23756747
Iron council by China mieville

[Anonymous No.23758758]

>>23758708
>>23758724
that's true, no one has ever written shitty and dishonest sci-fi, no one at all, it is not a genre fucking drowning in garbage

[Anonymous No.23758772]

>>23758550
Can anyone make out anything on Bowie's shelf?

[Anonymous No.23758828]

>>23758319
Tad Williams' Osten Ard and Shadowmarch.
Robin Hobb's series.

[Anonymous No.23758907]

>>23758425
Tokybooks LOTR

[Anonymous No.23759059]

>>23758389
>But I think that arm of sci-fi has also dried up simply because they ran out of interesting new topics to explore.
With the discovery/invention of CRISPR, genetic engineering is possible right now. This is a big deal. Previous technologies have reshaped our societies, but the main ingredient, humanity, remained the same since the paleolithic. Now we can modify ourselves.

You would think scifi would take on this topic, but discussing eugenics is still far too taboo.

[Anonymous No.23759072]

>>23757182
Legends of The Condor Heroes series by Jin Yong.

[Anonymous No.23759076]

Why are fantasy books usually so generic, compared to science fiction?

[Anonymous No.23759105]

>>23759059
Gotta be bait. Mutants already were old and trite by mid 60s. This is what the fucking capeslop X-men is about.

And CRISPR turned out to be way lamer than rocketpunk era mutagens, so contemporary authors have to come up withsome postsingularity bullshit to make biotech interesting, like Egan did in teranesia.

[Anonymous No.23759109]

>>23757765
Closest thing I can think of is The Longships which follows the saga of a viking after he's sold as a slave. It isn't fantasy, though, but it's a really good book.

In terms of fantasy, I can only think of Winter of the World where some other villains seem to be inspired by raiding vikings.

[Anonymous No.23759125]

>>23758828
Was going to recommend Memory, Sorrow & Thorn like this other anon.
>>23758319
Maybe try the First Law trilogy as well

[Anonymous No.23759132]

Anything that came out recently with lovecraftian monsters/entities?

[Anonymous No.23759171]

I saw you fucks shitpost about The Second Apocalypse and I had a lot of good expectations about it going in and now I finished The Thousandfold Thoughts after I began book 1 two weeks ago. It was so much less than I imagined, so much more boring. The setting was interesting, I liked the choice of language and words Bakker used like The Consult and Golgotterath; the influences were obvious but that was part of the fun. But the characters were all so boring and Kellhus the worst; the guy was completely ingenuine and since every word of his is deception, I couldn't care less about the "wisdom" he spouted to the members of the holy war to manipulate them. The part at the end where he meets his father, the whole reason for leaving? Anticlimactic as fuck. I expected something dark, brooding, ominous, and while there was some of it, it was thousandth of what I expected; chucking some rape and incest only had me chuckling. I went in expecting 9/10 and I got a damned 7/10 and I most likely won't follow up and read The Aspect-Emperor. Also, this did not need to be three books, a decent author could have squished it into two books and a good author could have done it in one book. There was that little noteworthy, consequential things going on.

[Anonymous No.23759261]

Do we know how Robert E Howard became a literal master at writing in just his late teens and was putting out endless bangers with masterful prose in literally every paragraph barely into his twenties ? Did he do some crazy writing training or is he just straight up once a millenium genius character

[Anonymous No.23759269]

>>23756730
cool picture OP, what is this from?

last night's haul:
1) Jennifer Government hardback - $5
2) Young Miles Vorkosigan Omnibus trade paperback - $1

finishing up Wizard of Earthsea now. A beautiful book for sure but I just don't know if I should continue on with books 2 and 3 - this book is very much a coming of age story, and I believe book 2 is about a completely different character? anyway I've always enjoyed le Guin's prose. I am going to bounce and try Vorkosigan next and then choose between that or Earthsea as to what trilogy I should continue on with.

[Anonymous No.23759282]

>>23757182
I can't say for sure if this is ATLA but people recommend The Initiate Brother duology decently often when someone asks for fantasy with some Eastern / Buddhism themes. but anyway I finished ATLA for the first time the other night and it was really great. for me it's Iroh. is Korra worth watching

[Anonymous No.23759283]

>>23759059
Human modification and artificial humans (like the androids in DADOES) are old hat in sci-fi, technologies like CRISPR just puts it somewhat in the realm of hard SF now since we now know a little bit about how it might happen in practice.
But if someone wanted to write really hard SF about genetic engineering they would have to be well read in the topics of genetics and biochemistry. I get the sense that hard SF is still the playground of physics nerds and engineers enamored with space travel.
I'm not sure if it's just the taboo of it or just lack of people interested in writing about it. The physics autists write about what interests them and others gravitate to softer forms of SF or fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23759293]

>>23759269
I remember liking Wizard, but the second book is completely different and I think it went a bit over my head as a teenager. If you're not interested in a feminist deep dive with next to no action or adventure it might not be your thing.

[Anonymous No.23759295]

>>23757583
you failed the first test, which is: stop at Book 1.

>>23757956
truth shines!

>>23758430
my clinically retarded brain just can't handle time stuff. I remember watching the movie Primer and thinking What in the Fuck?!

>>23758471
Tolkein...

>>23759076
Less "ideas" to work with than sci-fi. Sci-fi novels are a lot like these huge thought experiments in which the author dreams up of a future universe in which XYZ is possible. Fantasy tends to take place more in "our" past, in sort of like medieval times pre industrial revolution.

>>23759171
apparently truth does NOT shine

[Anonymous No.23759304]

>>23759295
>Less "ideas" to work with than sci-fi
Meh, fantasy could be literally ANYTHING. There are no boundaries whatsoever. Not even the pretense of being scientific that SF usually has. Only makes me madder that 99% of new authors still seem to be interested only in recreating what they felt like reading Tolkien or playing D&D when they were 12yo.

[Anonymous No.23759309]

>>23759261
option 2
that's also why he commited suicide, happens with his kind

[Anonymous No.23759318]

>>23759304
OK fair but yes this >new authors still seem to be interested only in recreating what they felt like reading Tolkien or playing D&D when they were 12yo.

seems to be the hold up, authors thinking fantasy IS Tolkein, IS DnD, and so just limiting themselves to that sort of stuff

[Anonymous No.23759325]

>>23757868
I picture her as Rennala from Elden Ring

[Anonymous No.23759351]

>>23757868
Always imagined her as a stern 30 year old Jennifer Connelly

[Anonymous No.23759354]

Hello fellow cultivators.

>last
>current
>next

[Anonymous No.23759371]

>>23759354
>>23759269

>last
Day of the Triffids. Not bad, the writing was a little stiff - though probably because it was written in the 50s and by a Brit. the book is 28 Days Later before 28 Days Later was written and put on the big screen
>current
Wizard of Earthsea. beautiful so far. le Guin paints a nice picture.
>next
Unsure, either Earthsea book 2 or beginning Vorkosigan at the Warrior's Apprentice. I spent more time than I'm willing to admit yesterday trying to figure out which Vorko book I should start with, only to find the Young Miles omnibus in a used book store, so that was my answer.

[Anonymous No.23759380]

>>23759354
Last
>last half-ish of The Runesmith, the sixth Infinite Realm volume and caught up to a few weeks ago
>World of Cultivation 1 and 2
>What>We>Will>Never>Be, Mastering the !eech, Parables of Infinity, and The Residue of Fire; short stories in the Greatship 'verse
Current
>Precious Mental (part of the Greatship)
>World of Cultivation 3
>I Shall Seal The Heavens 1 (the formatting and editing on the copy I found may be the best yet I've seen in xianxia)
>still halfway through Godclads 2 and taking a break
>tried BuyMort but not into it at all because of the amateur writing
Next
>very slowly work through WoC and ISSTH
>Kingfisher and Marrow Redux; more stories in the Greatship by Robert Reed (redux is a rewritten retconned novelette-version of Marrow almost 20 years later)
>The Dragons of Springplace, a standalone fantasy short story by the above author

[Anonymous No.23759422]

>>23757646
Byzantium by Stephen Lawhead?

[Anonymous No.23759423]

I'm thinking about writing a small fantasy book (<100k words). Should I just self-publish? I don't feel like dealing with publishers. Would I condemn it to irrelevancy?

[Anonymous No.23759471]

>>23759423
Well Diogenes, the odds are no matter how you publish, you're going to be irrelevant. The best you can hope for is that maybe a few hundred people know about it and maybe a dozen ever read it. 100k isn't a small fantasy book. That's average. The ones that are much longer are the outliers.

[Anonymous No.23759511]

>>23757765
The Bloodsworn Saga by John Gwynne is pretty much this

[Anonymous No.23759529]

>>23759423
At ~90k words you'd probably be best off doing something middle grade, which actually has a decent chance of getting published if you play your cards right. For adult fantasy, it depends, you can shop it around a bit to agents. If there's no interest there just slowly roll it out chapter by chapter on RR and see if you can pick up some steam on a patreon. If you want it on stores you're going to have to pay for ads yourself and probably promise more than a relatively short story if you want to make any money back.

[Anonymous No.23759551]

>>23759423
>self-publish
>Would I condemn it to irrelevancy?
Yes. Keep in mind overwhelming majority of self-publishing is just to release something of yours. If you're expecting it to make money, don't. Not unless you already have some kind of existing audience you can sell to.

[Anonymous No.23759624]

>>23759171
a 7/10 is far above anything else in fantasy released in the last 30 years so that is great

[Anonymous No.23759715]

Which one of you told Daniel B Greene about Wandering Inn

[Anonymous No.23759736]

>>23759715
i wish normies with higher standards would publicly berate webslop more often

[Anonymous No.23759750]

>>23758828
First one of these that includes every Malazan book rather than just the main 10

[Anonymous No.23759766]

>>23759529
>you'd probably be best off doing something middle grade, which actually has a decent chance of getting published if you play your cards right. For adult fantasy, it depends, you can shop it around a bit to agents.
Who should I send it to?

[Anonymous No.23759767]

>>23759282
Korra is...sometimes worth watching and sometimes not worth watching.
I think it has its biggest stumbles in revisiting Avatar Lore (in Season 2), neglecting the main plot of Season 1 for the romantic subplot, and in parts of Season 4.

[Anonymous No.23759787]

>>23759282
Korra is a mess. It feels like fanfic to be honest.

[Anonymous No.23759847]

>>23759766
use querytracker dot net

[Anonymous No.23759913]

>>23759847
thanks

[Anonymous No.23760069]

>>23759354
isnt there a general for you retards who read chinkshit?

[Anonymous No.23760087]

>>23760069
It'd probably be /int/ if it's not in /lit/

[Anonymous No.23760096]

>>23760069
>isnt there a general for you retards who read
I wish.

[Anonymous No.23760110]

>>23760069
>where do you think we are?

[Anonymous No.23760130]

>>23760069
you're courting death. don't make me release my wrathful essence, arrogant junior

[Anonymous No.23760150]

man, the writers in the SF Hall of Fame books are pretty kino. loved the ending to Leinster's First Contacts.

[Anonymous No.23760215]

>>23759304
>>23759318
What type of fantasy would you write instead?

[Anonymous No.23760283]

>>23760215
Not him.
I prefer a more contemporary fantasy and fucking bizarro gonzo fantasy like a world where elves live in ships made of wood that floats on air.

[Anonymous No.23760296]

>>23759282
Do not watch Korra it will destroy your hopes and dreams

[Anonymous No.23760304]

>>23760215
It's about mystic island called Niattrib.
The local elves have to deal with an invasion of humans with incompatible cultures and a proclivity for violence and crime.
For some reason the elf government doesn't want to expel the illegal humans, regardless of which elf party they elect. The elf police also stops punishing the human criminals and instead goes after honest elves who complain about it.

[Anonymous No.23760306]

>>23757646
are you thinking of Bernard Cornwell's "Saxon Stories?" I believe it's colloquially known by the name of its TV adaptation and first novel, "The Last Kingdom?"

[Anonymous No.23760308]

>>23759371
i’ve probably reread vorkosigan and all of it’s offshoots more than i’ve reread any other series, my life over. i’m rereading it now, even.
just paused my audiobook.
i love the whole series to death, and have privately illustrated probably a hundred scenes from it (just to luxuriate in the world,) that i’ll never show to anyone.
Enjoy your first read, man.
I’d guess “young miles-“ doesn’t include the first two books of the series, which sets you up for the universe, and rounds out the background of the later Miles books so you can fully appreciate them in all of their context.
so i’d definitely recommend just checking out the first two books from the library or something, shards of honor and barrayar, and hitting these pretty short offerings before diving into the omnibus. you won’t be sorry.
i read them in this order, and would very much recommend it. it’s not just me, this seems to be the order most people swear by, feels the best, spoils nothing, and makes it so that just what you’ve read in the past primes you satisfyingly for your next read:
>Shards of Honor <
>Barrayar <
>The Warrior’s Apprentice (miles starts here v)
>The Vor Game
>Cetaganda
>Brothers in Arms
>Borders of Infinity
>Mirror Dance
>Memory
>Komarr
>A Civil Campaign
>falling free
>ethan of athos
>Winterfair Gifts
>Diplomatic Immunity
>Captain Vorpatril’s Alliance
>The Flowers of Vashnoi
>Cryoburn
>Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen
Then, if you’re me, tack on a hundred rereads down the years. (Laughs)
>>((by the way, if you do take my advice and start with shards then barrayar before your miles omnibus, stick with the first couple chapters of shards, it completely changes. keep reading, keep reading.))

1/2

[Anonymous No.23760314]

2/2

>>23760308
I listened to all of Vorkosigan at least a few times as audiobooks. It took me a little while on the Miles books to acclimate to the distinctive narrator, but now I could listen to them with no other narration. The narration absolutely grows on you, and even enhances it, a little. If you like audiobooks, they’re wonderfully done and complete for this series, and available digitally to listen to over most libraries for free. Both the physical books and the audiobooks are great choices, here for ease of access i. tour picking up subsequent copies.
Compared to the usual science fiction, each book feels very short, but is stuffed to the gills with content and zany events. A little like the length of discworld reads, with a similarly folded emotional depth on human nature that sometimes comes out of left field in the most unexpected of madcap military chicaneries to pop you in the face.

Bujold’s also written two very original, unexpected series on gods/sorcerers/demons, if you ever finish vorkosigan and want to try more of a similar flavor. curse of chalion is more serious and deep, the penric and desdemona series is rather like the miles books, but in a fantasy setting, and a little more bite-sized.
Sorry for the ramble. I just love this series too much.

Wishing you all the best in your first unforgettable dive into the Vorkosiverse, anon!

p.s. of earthsea, tombs of atuan’s strangely the good one.

[Anonymous No.23760316]

>>23760283
>a world where elves live in ships made of wood that floats on air
based Death Gate enjoyer

[Anonymous No.23760321]

>>23760314
> i. tour
*in your

[Anonymous No.23760341]

I downloaded Dragonbone Chair and nothing else before the flight I'm boarding. Am I going to regret this?

[Anonymous No.23760343]

hes never going to finish it, is he?

[Anonymous No.23760351]

>>23760316
>death gate enjoyer
What? I've never heard of this.
Tell me more.

[Anonymous No.23760362]

>>23760351
HAPLO AND THE DOG

[Anonymous No.23760365]

>>23760341
Yes

[Anonymous No.23760369]

Any real books like this? IE not artbooks with a gimmick. Surreal dark fantasy that's still grounded in cool knight go on adventure. Closest I can think of is Iconoclasts, but only book 1 since it shits the bed after.

[Anonymous No.23760379]

>>23760351
tl;dr magic jews and aryans have a war and split reality into elemental planes and the air world has elves as you describe

[Anonymous No.23760386]

>>23760362
oh yeah, and one of the MCs is a dog

[Anonymous No.23760390]

>>23760369
>Surreal dark fantasy that's still grounded in cool knight go on adventure.
The Black Company
The Wizard Knight

[Anonymous No.23760392]

>>23760379
and it has a magic system

[Anonymous No.23760406]

>>23760369
what even is that in your pic

[Anonymous No.23760411]

>>23759354
last
>most everything by hawking
>most everything by tchaikovsky
>everything by sagan
>most everything by dawkins
>many sf best-of anthologies
>the paper menagerie
>the hidden girl and other stories
>what is life- schrodinger
>the new space opera 1
current
>doomsday book - willis
>the greatest show on earth - dawkins
>the first three minutes- weinberg
>borders of infinity - bujold
>the new space opera 2 (reread)
next
>the grand design, the universe in a nutshell - hawking
>ultima - baxter
>the ancestor’s tale - dawkins
>the cold commamds - morgan
>the soldier- asher
the oxygen farmer - holmes
>revenger - reynolds
>attack surface - doctorow
>noumenon - lostetter
>phantoms in the brain- ramachandran

any sf recs with m-theory or just branes? i’d love anything. i’m only able to find nonfiction.

(prev. posts-)
>>23760308
>>23760314
>>23758420

[Anonymous No.23760413]

>>23760390
I've read the Black Company, will check out Wizard Knight

>>23760406
It's called Vermis. It was designed as an guide to a video game that didn't exist, evoking the feeling of reading old manuals to games as a kid you didn't understand and letting your imagination fill in the gaps. In this it actually doesn't do a good job because the mechanics it speaks of are inconsistent to the point you can't even tell what genre it is supposed to be. However, if you can ignore that and just enjoy it for the journey the atmosphere and art are phenomenal.

[Anonymous No.23760414]

>>23760406
https://hollow-press.net/products/vermis-i
have you never deciphered death metal album covers before?

[Anonymous No.23760434]

>>23760411
off the top of my head
revelation space takes place in a branal multiverse although that's a big reveal for the end of the trilogy
xeelee sequence has canonical alternate timelines and the like; monads wake during universal shifts and choose one out of infinity to spawn then they go back to sleep. lots of short stories etc with different perspectives/viewpoints and all
this kind of shit doesn't flesh itself out well in one story.

[Anonymous No.23760451]

Any sci fi where, instead of just fapping over regular tech, there's actual biotech like living ships and stuff?

[Anonymous No.23760479]

>>23760451
...warhammer 40k

[Anonymous No.23760505]

>>23760451
Try Iain

[Anonymous No.23760596]

>>23758828
Very misleading image

[Anonymous No.23760603]

>>23760434
oh man, yes. the revelation space universe has been my favorite since i was a kid, i’ve chased for years anything similar. spot on rec.
whoa, i’ve never heard of xeelee, i’ll absolutely give it a read. A million thanks!
>you’re right that this sort of subject can be a terror to actually dive into fully and do it justice. the ones i really love make every aspect of the whole book a vehicle for expressing whatever theory.
>sort of like a devilishly complex meta puzzle box in the same format as the physicality of whatever theory is being described for the reader to blunder through,
>connected by the same dimensionality to the physical actions and plot (beginning from the most basic typical storybook actions being the most simplified layer/dimension/brane/manifold, and re-envisioning these in future iterations as each progressive manifold/brane becoming more complex in perfect equivalence to how humans might experience the physicality of each, this overall succession and interior moment-by-moment progression all neatly folded into whatever equivalent point or plane of the same frame of [whatever physicality the theory/object/etc. might convolute the fabric of space-time into.]
>reynolds definitely did this best so far, in everything i’ve read. some others have done amazing things, too. gnomon was unexpectedly amazing. but only reynolds so far seems to play with the newer theories in earnest.
>i marathoned all of cixin’s books when they first came out though, and seem to remember a little of this, maybe, if used a little ethereally. i’m going to reread that last of the trilogy because i remember there was some really great stuff in there that i might not have fully appreciated the first time around. definitely folded dimensions, but not quite in keeping with the basic science i’ve read..but then again, the whole point of science fiction is expanding on ideas and exploring the different possibilities of what these things might look to us in real time, and there were hints a higher dimensional being or layer may’ve tampered with the laws in the first place, so who knows. for sure worth a reread, anyway.

Thanks again for the awesome recs, man!

[Anonymous No.23760604]

>>23758319
I will second Shadowmarch by Tad Williams, and if you like that, definitely read his other fantasy tetrologies.

Maybe some of Modesitt's stuff? He's a prolific author with dozens of published works.

[Anonymous No.23760613]

>>23760341
Unless you really, really like slow-burn fantasy novels, you're mostly going to use it as a sleeping aid.

[Anonymous No.23760633]

>>23760603
start with vacuum diagrams. if you like what you read, then check out TImelike Infinity -> Ring then go from there. Ring and Xeelee: Exultant are my two personal favorite novels. there are some other excellent short story collections too. i prefer xeelee's universe to RS's, as someone who has read all of both. I'll poke through my goodreads later and see if anything else is of immediate relevance.
if you like xeelee, come back another time and post about it.

[Anonymous No.23760653]

>>23760479
Fake and gay. Tyrannids don't count, it's not technology if it's just how you evolve.

[Anonymous No.23760700]

>>23760653
>eldar wraithbone
>death guard...nurgle
>necron necrodermis (living metal counts anon)

[Anonymous No.23760706]

>>23760451
the Laconian arc of "The Expanse"

[Anonymous No.23760710]

>>23760451
Xeelee has the Squeem, which function as living ships; sometimes for contractual work but mostly out of enslavement. They are an external species in the overall universe.

[Anonymous No.23760786]

>>23760308
>>23760314
awesome, I appreciate your enthusiasm. I just got Diplomatic Immunity, Dryoburn, Brothers in Arms and Cetaganda (ok AND le Guin's Tombs of Atuan) for under $10. Can't find Shards of Honor, Barrayar, or the Cordelia's Honor omnibus --- and online prices are at least $25 a book which is interesting

[Anonymous No.23760810]

>>23760633
oh man, i think i might have talked to you here a couple years ago, and you recommended vacuum diagrams. i found and got a first edition, (though i never buy books, i just read them at the library, because i couldn’t find it anywhere except from one private seller back then.)
when i started it, it was so cool i started taking it with me on vacation, saving it entire for a great treat if i ever had enough time to sit down without interruption and rl getting in the way. it’s still on my desk right now, waiting for a perfect free day. >(honestly, it’s a beautiful physicality with stunning cover art too, in a sliding plastic envelope. it makes me happy just seeing it. as soon as rl stabilizes i’m going for it.)
i’ll pick up the baxters, too. just found them on amazon. the library’s got tons of titles, but for some reason always skips the very best, for most series. i’ve read all but one of the baxters they’ve got available, but looks like i’ll definitely be searching out the private physical copies for these. they sound straight up amazing, and i can’t wait to get started.
i’d also absolutely love anything else you think either strikes a chord, or is just a wonderful sf read in general, off your goodreads, because I completely love your taste, and it’s so rare to find people who like the same sorts of books, for me, that any recs at all are almost impossible to find.

[Anonymous No.23760815]

>>23760343
>blurbed by George Zzz Martin
>"never going to finish it"
my actual sides

[Anonymous No.23760819]

>>23760351
>>23760379
>>23760392
there's a Legend Entertainment game too!

[Anonymous No.23760829]

>>23756825
>first book
So no Cugel. That's good.

[Anonymous No.23760832]

>>23760786
oh that is interesting, but makes sense since they’re the very first of the series. congrats on your purchases, man!
maybe this, if you don’t mind digital:?
https://archive.org/details/cordeliashonor00bujo/mode/2up
(sign up with junk email, [internet archive never bothers you though,] ypu could read for free online an omnibus of both shards and barrayar via the above link^)

..or if you prefer the more aged paperback feeling:
https://archive.org/details/shardsofhonor0000bujo/page/2/mode/2up
(^shards)
https://archive.org/details/barrayar00unse/mode/2up
(^barrayar)

i bet any library’s near you’s got ‘em too— physically, as clean ebooks readable online, and eaudiobooks or in whatever format you prefer. the vorkosigan books are happily everywhere.
just thoughts.
(lol to tombs)

[Anonymous No.23760863]

when my chi-com webnovels say three thousand
do they mean 1,000,000,000 or just 3000

[Anonymous No.23760871]

>>23760810
>is just a wonderful sf read in general
well, there's always the greatship! it's about a jupiter-sized spaceship circumnavigating the galaxy as a cruise liner, along with (functional mostly immortal) humans and a wide variety of aliens and vistas. there's a ton of short stories about the ship; one I'm reading now talks about a group of 'archaics' (that is, humans who do not/choose not to undergo immortality surgery) who live a short mortal life but believe in infinite universes so anything is possible/happened/etc. the many different stories cover all variety of related topic from science to philosophical purposes. pic related.
uh there's always the Last Legends of Earth, the 'last' book out of the radix tetrad which involves an alien from the center of the universe resurrecting humanity over 7000 years and weaving its own solar system, to use as bait for end-of-time intelligent spider creatures who eat people. or you could check out In Other Worlds, about a dude who is given superhuman powers by an end-of-time nth dimensional entity who requires fuel pig manure
greg egan's short story collections "Axiomatic' and 'Luminous' were great; his novels range in quality and accessibility. one of his short stories even features a multidimensional assassin.
the demolished man
traveller's rest (short story)
how much Dick have you read?
do you like sci-fantasy?

[Anonymous No.23760876]

>>23760871
of course i forget my pic related.

anyhow are there any specific themes, besides multiversal theory, that you are looking for in books?

[Anonymous No.23760920]

>>23760832
thanks very much, I splurged and bought Cordelia's on eBay for $20 used, but will begin reading digital while I wait. I love to own all the books I read

[Anonymous No.23760945]

>Auto resolve thinks Samurai beat Yari Ashigaru (best units in the game in field battles) in a field battle

[Anonymous No.23760965]

>>23760945
Auto-resolve just takes the cumulative stats of each army and then distributes casualties according to defensive stats. You need a lot of Ashigaru to absorb the casualties inflicted by samurai-level stats in auto-resolve. It doesn't factor in unit abilities like yari wall, let alone terrain.

Yari Ashigaru are only unbeatable if you actually bother to fight your battles yourself and use them properly.

[Anonymous No.23760972]

Just finished the Realm of the Elderlings saga.
What did I think of it?

And now im starting Hyperion. What will I think of it?

[Anonymous No.23760974]

>>23760965
Auto resolve also assumes you charge your arrow units into melee as soon as they run out of arrows.
It reminds me of how JK Rowling thinks a wizarding battle would take place, when surely one of the Death Eaters or Hogwarts Loyalist would hae brought at least a hunting rifle, and surely the veterans of the old war would have developed squad tactics (one guy counters spells, another attacks, another focuses on countering deleterious effects/healing the squad, etc).

[Anonymous No.23760982]

>>23759261
Just read his biography. Super tragic and he seemed pretty based. IS there a reading order for Conan? I just see a lot of short stories so I'd like to know where to begin, if it even matters.

[Anonymous No.23761024]

>>23760920
no problem!
yeah, there’s definitely something singular about holding the physical book in your hands, though the increased availability and ease of access to books digitally now is a great parallel resource, so you can eliminate the wait and just dive right in at any time, but when your book does arrive, still ease into the rest of your read with the pleasure of a delightfully tactile volume.
cheers, dude!

[Anonymous No.23761222]

>>23760871
>>23760876
oh man, it feels like christmas. i’ve never even heard of most of these. seriously, Thank You!

i’ve read maybe three of egan’s some years back, haven’t read greatship, last legends of earth, in other worlds, nor traveller’s rest. i think i may’ve read a bit of demolished man as a kid.. can’t remember. i have a residual but very positive (if fuzzily vague) memory of it, though.

>i love hard sf, space opera, and speculative fiction, and much more. to be readily quantifiably general, i’ve really lit up at almost everything pretty much rated over a 4 on goodreads in the sf genre. pretty much good writing and ideas is the only limiter.
>i’m more into sf than fantasy right now, but if the writing’s wonderful, i don’t mind the genre so much.
>as an example, i love the usual stuff like peter watts (hell yes blindsight & echopraxia,) cixin, (the best,) ted chiang (ultimate page turners,) herbert (everything, not just dune) simmons, reynolds (possibly my favorite, both his series and short stories,) martha wells, i also love cherryh (cyteen & regenesis,) poul, bujold, elizabeth moon’s remnant population, mieville’s perdido street station(the weaver’s one of my favorite characters ever,) niven (completely loved all of his other work, even the co-authored ones, except the ones he’s known for, lucifer’s hammer & ring-world, which i didn’t like, no idea why),
[as a kid—stiefvater’s races was good, tepper’s grass was singular, loved joan d vinge because i grew up her books,] stross, scalzi, richard morgan, sundiver was rec’d to me years ago here and i really enjoyed it, same with dragon’s egg, i even enjoyed simple page turners, just finished everything by andy weir and hugh howey, and i liked, though not so strongly, most by pierce brown, becky chambers, emma newman, tchaikovsky, m r carey, card, and v vinge.
>i sort of like the trope of one person alone, like volyova in a living ship, in reynold’s revelation space, (also loved the idea of the clockmaker in his dreyfus books,) martha wells’ main character’s personality of trying to avoid people, blindsight’s misunderstood vamp, the strong-minded grandmother satisfied to be abandoned on a planet to herself of remnant population by moon. (but i even loved sf fantasy as a kid like Amber that’s full of interconnected relationships, so really, just good works is the ticket.)

I’ll absolutely hunt down all of your recs so far, they sound brilliant—
Thank you so much for these, and any more that might come to you, man

[Anonymous No.23761225]

>>23760871
>>23760876
oh man, it feels like christmas. i’ve never even heard of most of these. seriously, Thank You!

i’ve read maybe three of egan’s some years back, haven’t read greatship, last legends of earth, in other worlds, nor traveller’s rest. i think i may’ve read a bit of demolished man as a kid.. can’t remember. i have a residual but very positive (if fuzzily vague) memory of it, though.

>i love hard sf, space opera, and speculative fiction, and much more. to be readily quantifiably general, i’ve really lit up at almost everything pretty much rated over a 4 on goodreads in the sf genre. pretty much good writing and ideas is the only limiter.
>i’m more into sf than fantasy right now, but if the writing’s wonderful, i don’t mind the genre so much.
>as an example, i love the usual stuff like peter watts (hell yes blindsight & echopraxia,) cixin, (the best,) ted chiang (ultimate page turners,) herbert (everything, not just dune) simmons, reynolds (possibly my favorite, both his series and short stories,) martha wells, i also love cherryh (cyteen & regenesis,) poul, bujold, elizabeth moon’s remnant population, mieville’s perdido street station(the weaver’s one of my favorite characters ever,) niven (completely loved all of his other work, even the co-authored ones, except the ones he’s known for, lucifer’s hammer & ring-world, which i didn’t like, no idea why),
>[as a kid—stiefvater’s races was good, tepper’s grass was singular, loved joan d vinge because i grew up her books,] stross, scalzi, richard morgan, sundiver was rec’d to me years ago here and i really enjoyed it, same with dragon’s egg, i even enjoyed simple page turners, just finished everything by andy weir and hugh howey, and i liked, though not so strongly, most by pierce brown, becky chambers, emma newman, tchaikovsky, m r carey, card, and v vinge.
>i sort of like the trope of one person alone, like volyova in a living ship, in reynold’s revelation space, (also loved the idea of the clockmaker in his dreyfus books,) martha wells’ main character’s personality of trying to avoid people, blindsight’s misunderstood vamp, the strong-minded grandmother satisfied to be abandoned on a planet to herself of remnant population by moon. (but i even loved sf fantasy as a kid like Amber that’s full of interconnected relationships, so really, just good works is the ticket.)

I’ll absolutely hunt down all of your recs so far, they sound brilliant—
Thank you so much for these, and any more that might come to you, man

[Anonymous No.23761253]

>>23760613
I made it to 20% and only fell asleep once. It is pretty incredible how nothing happens. At least he doesn't pad out his chapters with endless descriptions of food or whatever the fuck other derivative works do. Unfortunately they are instead padded out with characters expositing to themselves for some reason. I don't understand why an author would think that that sounds natural. Presumably they have an internal monologue and have had a thought at some point in their life.

[Anonymous No.23761269]

>>23760972
>What did I think of it?
you tell us

[Anonymous No.23761337]

>>23758907
The recent film and tv adaptions killed my Tolkien appreciation muscle. Still there does not seem to be many other quality content out there so why not.

[Anonymous No.23761365]

>>23760982
The Del Rey books (The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian, etc) are in publication order, which is likely the best way to read them.

[Anonymous No.23761370]

Do you guys like fantasy religions, fictional but based on ones in the real world or real religion depicted in a metaphoric way(like dune)? Any other types of depiction is fine too.

[Anonymous No.23761410]

>>23761370
Yes.
>based on real ones
Depends how it's handled.

[Anonymous No.23761568]

>Finally get memed into reading Bakker
>Expecting 8 books of horrible gurmslop
>It's actually fucking gurmkino
Holy shit, I had no idea this was a thing that was even possible. I still think "muh gritty realism" is a mistake for just about everyone who tries it and only detracts from the story, but his prose is incredible, especially in the first two books of Aspect Emperor. As long as you ignore the part in Judging Eye where he uses the word "literally" for emphasis about 50 times in as many pages, at least. With a better editor I'd have no problem calling him Tolkein's equal. I can't think of any contemporary writer that even comes close.

[Anonymous No.23761598]

>>23761568
>I can't think of any contemporary writer that even comes close
Guy Gavriel Kay

[Anonymous No.23761617]

>>23761598
I've only read Tigana, but based on that I wouldn't bother comparing them. Kay definitely comes across as more mature though, while Bakker's constant references to the smell of unwashed asses and the like is the kind of thing that would appeal more to a middle schooler, which is why it took me a decade of hearing people talk about Bakker before I actually got around to reading him.

[Anonymous No.23761636]

>>23761568
What is 'gurm'?

[Anonymous No.23761638]

>>23761636
george RR martin
GRRM
gurm

[Anonymous No.23761646]

>>23761636

[Anonymous No.23761665]

>>23761646
Scat fags rise up?

[Anonymous No.23761743]

Why is it so hard to find new fantasy books for men?
I've even tried looking for historical fiction, and everything is either the same 2 million books about rome or england, or some romance shit.

[Anonymous No.23761746]

>>23761743
what sorts of things do men like you look for in a fantasy book?

[Anonymous No.23761832]

>>23758471

[Anonymous No.23761884]

>>23761253
Tad Williams' books all have a problem with the sense of danger and urgency taking a long time to creep into the narrative. He has gotten better at ramping up the tension faster, but he's still very slow compared to his contemporaries. Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn is his debute series, and consequently his slowest. It takes essentially an entire novel for plot threads to converge and for something major to happen. Events occur along the way but as you noted are spaced apart with loads of introspection and soaking in the ambience of whatever desolate place the characters happen to be.

[Anonymous No.23761894]

>>23761743
Ever tried K. J. Parker? Dude writes military fiction in a barely-fantasy setting.

[Anonymous No.23761915]

>>23761743
Publishers publish what sells. Writers write what publishers publish. Therefore, writers are more likely to copy than to try anything new. That's why published fantasy as a whole is so stratified with rigid subgenres. There's a huge amount of varied selfpublished fantasy for male audiences, but they have 0 reviews so you have no way of knowing if it turns to shit after the sample. Worse, most do.

[Anonymous No.23761933]

>>23761370
I prefer religions that feel organic to the setting rather than crude analogs to real world religions. I find them more interesting to read about. Of course, if the religion isn't that important to the story then by all means take short cuts and rely on the familiar.

[Anonymous No.23761937]

>>23761915
That's all genre fiction, that's literally what it means to write in a genre. If you're not imitating other authors, not using the same cliches, you're not writing in the genre at all.

[Anonymous No.23762030]

>>23760308
>Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen
that one gave me a GILF fetish

[Anonymous No.23762275]

>septEMBER
>first month of autumn
Any more examples of a lack of creativity?

[Anonymous No.23762399]

dare I say it... kino

[Anonymous No.23762448]

>>23762275
July and August are just two guys' names but shorter.

[Anonymous No.23762476]

Bakkerfag is such a fucking embarrassment. I couldn't imagine insulting one of my favorite book series by calling it a goddamn film.

[Anonymous No.23762496]

>>23756747
DCC book 3

[Anonymous No.23762537]

Against all better judgement and knowing full well that it'll most certainly never be finished I went ahead and finally read The Name of the Wind. I finished it today and I'm sad to say that I really enjoyed it, so that's another unfinished series I'll be waiting on forever along with ASOIAF and Gentleman Bastards. I'm at least going to try to wait a while before I read the 2nd one and the novellas.

I saw that the latest novella got released last year, is that a good sign for the 3rd book? Do you think he'll ever finish it?

[Anonymous No.23762563]

so three posts is all it takes to be a somebody around here, huh

[Anonymous No.23762570]

>>23762537
second book is awful, killed any interest i had in the series

[Anonymous No.23762589]

>>23762537
Read Sun Eater next.

[Anonymous No.23762623]

>>23762537
The novella is something he expanded on somewhat and republished. No, it's not a good sign.

[Anonymous No.23762653]

>>23762570
There's still hope for me too then.

>>23762589
Yeah I've heard it's basically KKC but in space? Had it on my radar for a while but I'm not feeling ready to jump into another huge series like that one yet (I'm reading Malazan too atm and mixing in a couple books from shorter series/standalones between each one).

>>23762623
Ah that does sound pretty bad.

[Anonymous No.23762656]

>>23762653
>Yeah I've heard it's basically KKC but in space?
Yes. The story is better and the narrator is less faggy.

[Anonymous No.23762664]

>>23761832
>a fucking square

[Anonymous No.23762835]

>>23762664
also half the map is literally a completely empty wasteland because RJ couldn't be assed to develop more countries
>mountains of Dhoom

[Anonymous No.23762901]

what is the official sffg stance on discworld

[Anonymous No.23762923]

>>23759269
>>23759293
Atuan Tombs is fine, not centered on Ged but he is still a MC. the other MC is a girl but it's not a feminist book and it doesn't really have any feminist undertones or messages, le guin only did that on teh fourth book. and even then it wasn't an issue in my opinion, just that that fourth book was very different compared to the previous three, kinda worse

i would continue with the second and third books, they are quick and good and each fills a bit on top of the world set up by the previous. the rest of the books after that maybe they are not worth reading unless you are really into the saga

[Anonymous No.23762931]

man I wish I could be 15 again reading Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy at midnight and laughing till i almost shit myself

[Anonymous No.23762960]

>>23762901
Pretty interesting A-plots at times that gets extremely bogged down by boring meandering B-plots and tangents filled with quirky Reddit-tier humor. Fans will defend it as being deep social commentary but that doesn't excuse how it tries so hard but painfully fails at being funny. If you enjoy browsing r/all it'll be right up your alley. I gave it an honest chance and trudged my way through five of them before giving up. The first one I read, Mort was the best of those and the one that put the nail in the coffin for me was Men At Arms.

[Anonymous No.23762999]

>>23762901
One of the most delightful series I’ve ever read. I own every one, and they’re all falling apart from the wear and tear of rereads down the years. Really, there are no words. I’ve loved revisiting this series so long it’s like an old friend.

[Anonymous No.23763031]

>>23756886
For trains to exist the steam engine has to exist and at that point I suppose you're in steampunk territory

[Anonymous No.23763056]

>>23763031
Power them with magic. Maybe a wizard can push it directly, or maybe you can put a sail on it and conjure a wind in the correct direction.

[Anonymous No.23763086]

>>23763056
Could be kino. What's the equivalent word for books, biblio?
>beleaguered wagie magician caught up in railway logistics bureaucracy

[Anonymous No.23763097]

>>23763086
Why not just cut to the chase and say "I'm a cock-sucking faggot"

[Anonymous No.23763101]

>>23756825
I'm halfway through it now. Vance is the only writer I've tried in a long time whose prose I really enjoy.
>t. Wolfefag

[Anonymous No.23763109]

>>23763097
Sorry I'm not gay myself anon but whatever floats your boat.

[Anonymous No.23763112]

>>23763109
The lingo you use speaks otherwise.

[Anonymous No.23763128]

>>23763112
I like words and language, both words are greek roots used in comparable prefixes. That's probably more depth than you're ready to handle.

[Anonymous No.23763154]

Did the glut of pulp fantasy/sci-fi from the 70's and 80's actually produce anything worthwhile (other than Dune I guess) or was it all just trash to fill bookstore shelves?

[Anonymous No.23763182]

>>23763086
>>23763128
Kino comes from the Russian word for cinema. It looks like the Russian word for literature is just "literatura," but the word for book is "kniga."

[Anonymous No.23763188]

>>23763112
>you make easy word only
>make big talk mean gay

[Anonymous No.23763324]

What are the weirdest aliens you've come across in literature?

[Anonymous No.23763528]

>>23761743
Because women have infiltrated publishing companies the same way they infiltrated games and television, everything has to be woke feminist power fantasy.

[Anonymous No.23763613]

>>23763324
Old Kitsune in Schismatrix and Sleepers in EvE Online. Neither of which are aliens.

[Anonymous No.23763629]

Any good short stories collections you liked recently?

>>23763154
Game of Thrones is culmination of pulp.

[Anonymous No.23763639]

>>23759261
He wasn't that good.

[Anonymous No.23763643]

>>23763188
Memes are reddit and you know it, cum guzzling faggot.
Reddit, and memes, and reddit.

[Anonymous No.23763673]

Is Malazan supposed to feel so overwhelming?

[Anonymous No.23763681]

>>23759261
>endless bangers
It's more important that he produced 'endless' material rather than bangers. Persistence is king.

[Anonymous No.23763689]

>>23763643
>every idea ever is reddit
LOL laugh at the pseud

[Anonymous No.23763799]

I've managed to read three fantasy trilogies/books in a row where protag gets kek'd in one way or another, dudes. Frankly, I think I like crpgs better.

[Anonymous No.23763884]

>>23761568
>he uses the word "literally" for emphasis about 50 times in as many pages
>Tolkein's equal
Lol, lmao even

[Anonymous No.23763923]

>>23763884
>booty bandit Bakker posting again
Hey, wanna see something funny?
https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/38578.Scott_Baker
A rather grim thing is that softcover slop from about that era is spottily archived. Very.

[Anonymous No.23763952]

>>23763629
i haven't read them too recently but i often recommend these
The Emperor of the Ancient Word and Other Fantastic Stories
They Do the Same Things Different There

[Anonymous No.23763960]

>>23763673
it's epic fantasy in the true sense of the word

[Anonymous No.23764067]

>Gentleman Bastards
Is this the most reddit series name ever? Holy shit I cringe every time I read it

[Anonymous No.23764074]

>>23764067
The picture on his wikipedia makes him look incredibly reddit as well.

[Anonymous No.23764107]

On Earth there are living beings that use the spectrum (mostly visible light, also ultraviolet) and echolocation. Birds also sense direction from Earth's magnetic field.
I've seen mass detection (presumably with gravity) in a science fiction story, but gravity is a very weak force.
What other kind of sense organs to model the environment are portrayed in science fiction? Mind reading is not what I'm thinking of.

[Anonymous No.23764129]

>>23758100
In a sort of way, the books from The Three-Body Problem series. Not horror, but first contact going bad.

[Anonymous No.23764144]

>>23758212
Cyberpunk was a gust of fresh air that allowed authors to go into fantasy-like scenarios with virtual reality, but yes science fiction is dead.
Perhaps interesting stories can be made exploring the mind, or something in cyclical history like A Canticle for Leibowitz.
But you know what anon, science fiction is dying with industrial civilization, which is but a way to extract work from fossil fuels. Barring the always a couple of decades into the future nuclear fusion, we are never going to reach the stars.

[Anonymous No.23764208]

>>23763182
Kino originates from greek actually and the word itself is a Slav-wide thing.

[Anonymous No.23764213]

>>23764144
Fusion in space is a solved problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_pulse_propulsion

[Anonymous No.23764312]

>>23764208
The proximal source of kino in the 4chan meme sense is from an early 20th century Soviet auteur.

[Anonymous No.23764427]

>half a chapter on spren pussy mechanics
Is Sanderson on a second honeymoon or something?

[Anonymous No.23764432]

>>23764144
>>23764213
orion would require humans to not be massive faggots as a species to be built so it's realistically never going to happen

[Anonymous No.23764443]

>>23764432
Orion is only dead in the water as an SSTO launch vehicle. There are no drawbacks to its use for interplanetary or interstellar travel.

[Anonymous No.23764525]

I need a book/author with rich descriptions of body language.

[Anonymous No.23764541]

>>23764525
That's the wrong approach. Do naturalistic observation instead.

[Anonymous No.23764550]

>>23763923
I have no idea what this post is supposed to mean. Can someone help me out here?

[Anonymous No.23764592]

>>23764525
Robert Jordan is famed for his deft skill in this.

[Anonymous No.23764639]

>>23756730
Opinions on the Black Company?

[Anonymous No.23764706]

>>23759354
western stories similar to cultivation novels?
>Exapansive worlds
>Clans,families,sects
>steady grwoth in power
>large lifespans/immortality
>events happening across long periods of time

[Anonymous No.23764842]

>>23764706
None. Modern women aren't interested in clans.

[Anonymous No.23764886]

>>23763154
Thomas Covenant

[Anonymous No.23764934]

POV: you just finished Urth of The New Sun

[Anonymous No.23764979]

>>23764639
Edgy slop

[Anonymous No.23765168]

>>23764525
I don't know about "rich" necessarily but "A Shadow In Summer" by Daniel Abraham is wall-to-wall poses and gestures and such

[Anonymous No.23765181]

First off, I'll say that I think the entire fantasy genre is the bargain bin of fiction. I would not look into that category for anything artistic or profound.

That being said, I have read a good amount of these types of books, and I would say that Sanderson's effort in the arena is below average.

I can barely read half a page before I have to close my eyes and shake off the distaste of a jarringly moronic turn-of-phrase, or some specimen of mindlessly idiotic dialogue. The wording is so simplistic, bland, and cliché, that I'm forced to the conclusion that the author has little self-awareness, and more importantly no talent.

I resent the man personally for ruining the WoT. Robert Jordan's widow made a huge mistake in handing BS the keys to the story. Complete fuck-up hack, and the fact that he's so popular just proves how low the bar in fantasy is.

[Anonymous No.23765204]

>>23765181
When the alternatives are authors like GRRM or Rothfuss that aren't much better and also somehow struggle to shit out one book of slop per decade, it's not hard to see why Sanderson has been so successful.

[Anonymous No.23765209]

I've been reading more Ursula Le Guin after finishing Left Hand of Darkness, and I'm coming to the opinion that she is one of the best authors that I have ever read on pure political theory, even though she is meant to be a scifi author. Reading The Dispossessed right now, it's really thought provoking. Also, it feels like a Greg Egan novel at times, but with actually non-autistic characters and interesting political commentary (I love Greg Egan, but he is very much so an idea author, not a narrative/commentary author).

[Anonymous No.23765372]

I'm going to be spending like 38 hours in airplanes this week and I'm drawing a blank. Anyone got some good suggestions for page turners?

Please?

[Anonymous No.23765390]

Three Body Problem is written exactly like I imagined a Chinese would write a scifi. It's a weird mixture of thoughtfully complex autistic scifi speculations and utterly childish one-dimensional dynamics that reveal a very simplistic view of the world. It's unironically making me believe in racial determinism of worldviews or mindsets in a way I am normally averse to. There's something very distinctly Chinese about the combination of complexity in some areas with shocking simplemindedness in others, or maybe the better word would be prosaicism. Like when you catch a glimpse into Japanese culture and find out they just do not have the brain lobe for caring about transcendence or metaphysics at all, they are purely immanent in a way that makes them incredibly alien to the European mind.

[Anonymous No.23765409]

>>23765372
what kind of stuff are you into? You could burn through some of the culture series

[Anonymous No.23765451]

>>23765409
I love imaginative worlds and cultures. My favorite series of all time is probably the Dying Earth by Jack Vance. I also liked his Planet of Adventure series despite the simplicity as a good page turner. Black Company was good but I couldn't bring myself to read past Book Three. Classical Fairy Tale stuff is cool too, such as The Broken Sword by Poul Anderson, as well as Lud-in-the-Mist, Jonathan Strange, and Wizard of Earthsea. When it comes to sci-fi I'm not against some slop as long as it has some interesting culture clashes.

I've had The Culture on my radar, maybe I'll get my hands on it.

[Anonymous No.23765501]

>>23765451
Have you read any of Vance's sci-fi? His Gaian Reach books are very good, especially the Demon Princes series. Culture clashes play a significant role in several of them.

[Anonymous No.23765512]

>>23765181
>no talent
Wrong. He has the talent of persistence.

[Anonymous No.23765523]

>>23765501
I've read the Demon Princes, I thought it was alright. I'd rate it below Planet of Adventure and compared to Adam Reith I can't even remember the main character's name, but it was a good enough read. Haven't read other things in the Gaean Reach, but Jack Vance is yet to let me down. I'll throw those on the pile as well.

[Anonymous No.23765556]

>>23756747
fuck i love trains

[Anonymous No.23765560]

>>23765451
>wizard of earthsea
I haven't read that particular Ursula Le Guin book, but all of her others are great. Would you recommend it?

[Anonymous No.23765568]

>>23765560
Absolutely, the second in the series I wasn't too hot on because it moves away from Ged and to a female protag I didn't like that much, but the third comes back to Ged

[Anonymous No.23765575]

>>23765568
apparently I already own it, I will have to find it in my books. thanks anon

[Anonymous No.23765711]

>>23765568
First is fine, second was better, and the third was such an incredibly bland and boring rehash of the first it made me lose all motivation to continue. The worst thing about the books was the prose which was incredibly long-winded and overly flowery just for the sake of it. I couldn't stand it. Does she write her sci-fi in the same way or are they better?

[Anonymous No.23765758]

>>23764213
NPP has nothing to do with fusion, retard.
Orion was fission-based.

[Anonymous No.23765762]

>>23765390
>caring about transcendence or metaphysics at all,
Why care about things that aren't real?

[Anonymous No.23765763]

>organic spaceships
Is there a bigger red flag in sci-fi?

[Anonymous No.23765794]

>>23765758
>The first NPP design, theorized half a decade before the detonation of the first hydrogen bomb, was intended to use a fission charge and therefore it's impossible to use fusion for that purpose
You didn't really think this through, did you?

[Anonymous No.23765804]

>>23765390
>making me believe in racial determinism of worldviews or mindsets in a way I am normally averse to
you were adverse to reality? Does the truth sting a little?

[Anonymous No.23765805]

>>23765804
Interpretation is not reality.

[Anonymous No.23765851]

>>23765794
Think through what? What reason there would be to use fusion charges over fission-based ones in an Orion drive instead of using some more advanced fusion-based torch drive?

[Anonymous No.23765876]

>>23765794
Solved problem implies "we could build this now"
That only applies to fission pulsed propulsion.
The OP is a retard not because fusion is solved but because he thinks fusion is the bottleneck for space flight.

[Anonymous No.23765929]

>>23765851
>What reason there would be to use fusion charges over fission-based ones in an Orion drive
Greater specific impulse
>instead of using some more advanced fusion-based torch drive?
NPP actually exists, torch drives don't.

>>23765876
>Solved problem implies "we could build this now"
>That only applies to fission pulsed propulsion.
What makes you think we don't have the capability to make a fusion bomb, put it in space, and/or blow it up?

[Anonymous No.23765989]

I need to know what the hell this book is. A book on the metaverse co-authored by Paris Hilton? This is so fucking weird. Who exactly was the intended demographic of this book?

[Anonymous No.23765992]

>>23763154
>the color of her panties
there's no way the guy who designed the book cover didn't see this too

[Anonymous No.23765997]

>>23765992
Didn't see what

[Anonymous No.23766006]

>>23765992
That's the name of the book, anon.

[Anonymous No.23766013]

>>23765997
>>23766006
Oh, I thought that was just me being a pervert. So it really is called that.

I thought it was "The Color of Herdanties" and that big bird was Herdanties :)

[Anonymous No.23766040]

>>23766013
It's plaid, if you were curious.

[Anonymous No.23766088]

I'm about 50 pages into The Dragonbone Chair and I fucking hate Simon. I went in expecting a slow burn, but not such pacing plodding behind so detestable a retard. Pill me on continuing or I'm going back to only reading Threads of Destiny.

[Anonymous No.23766137]

>>23764550
I feel like if I typed the obvious "because writer's name is almost identical, duh", I would be the retard somehow. You humorless cunt.

[Anonymous No.23766159]

>>23756730
Just finished the Children of Time trilogy by Adrian Tchaikovsky. What did I think?

[Anonymous No.23766162]

>>23765762
There's no physical proof for the existence of memories nor the future, and yet you need to use both for every waking second of your life to orientate yourself in the world. Even the very tools one would use to help themselves better understand materiality are comprised of abstract substructures (numbers, logic, categories, etc.). If you're a chinaman, you're unironically proving his point.

[Anonymous No.23766328]

>>23764427
>lel hehe lemme repost redditor comments
kys

[Anonymous No.23766548]

>>23766088
You should've looked at more /sffg/ opinions.

[Anonymous No.23766552]

>>23766328
They have a point. Why is Sanderson obsessed with genitals?

[Anonymous No.23766558]

>>23766552
>mormon

[Anonymous No.23766565]

>>23766328
>How did I get this image? I swear I'm not a redditor! I used a search engine to find it. It wasn't that I saw it there first! Anyway, you have to know your enemy. I invoke taqiyya!

[Anonymous No.23766577]

>>23766159
You didn't think.

[Anonymous No.23766587]

>>23758130
Should've posted in the grrm general.

[Anonymous No.23766776]

>>23765209
Egan does commentary in various short stories and in novels, such as Zendegi, but yeah, Le Guin did a much better job in that respect.

[Anonymous No.23766837]

>>23766776
>Egan
Still waiting for a brave aussie to attend one of his college lectures, take a picture of him at the lectern, then upload it to the internet.

[Anonymous No.23766901]

>>23766837
Silly.

[Anonymous No.23766914]

>>23764979
Edgy slop defines almost all 4chan posting. Hence, it must make for a familiar, if not comfortable, read.

[Anonymous No.23766937]

Anyone got a good short horror story compilation to recommend?

[Anonymous No.23766940]

>>23766088
I don't think you'll find it worth continuing, admittedly it's been a long ass time since I've read it but I don't recall it picking up.

[Anonymous No.23766952]

>>23766937
Horror may be the most subjective genre. What kind of horror?

[Anonymous No.23766992]

>>23766952
I'm open to different things but as a starting point I like Lovecraft and Ligotti. Think I'd like some science fiction horror.

[Anonymous No.23767008]

>>23765209
>mfw king freaks out thinking the aliens are immortal after Ai tells him they'll just try again after a few generations

[Anonymous No.23767022]

>>23766901
It'll happen.

[Anonymous No.23767026]

>>23766548
I have sinned and fell to the incantations of r/fantasy

>>23766940
I don't mind slow pacing, I just hate slow pacing following this fuckstick. Does he get markedly better? Because right now I'm getting huge passenger vibes next to greater characters for the long run.

[Anonymous No.23767061]

>>23767026
You are absolved.

[Anonymous No.23767080]

>>23766937
>>23766992
"The Wicked and Damned," Warhammer 40k horror shorts anthology, various authors. Very good horror, especially considering it's 40kfic.
"The Throne of Bones," Brian McNaughton. It's fantasy and not SF, but I believe you'll enjoy it regardless. It's good enough I re-read it once a year.

[Anonymous No.23767081]

Recently read Heroes Die by Matthew Stover and War of Flowers by Tad Williams. Both pretty fun. I think objectively the latter one is better written but Caine is such dumb edge schlock I can't help but really enjoy it, especially the character of Maelkoth who was pretty fun to imagine.
Moving onto Gene Wolfs The Knight as a break before continuing the Caine series

[Anonymous No.23767150]

>>23767081
YOU. THE ONE WITH THE TAD WILLIAMS EXPERIENCE. >>23767026 ANSWER. It's about Simon.

[Anonymous No.23767169]

>>23767150
I wouldn't say I have experience with Williams as it was my first book, but Theo the protagonist of Flower War was a pretty spineless goof. The setting carried the book for me

[Anonymous No.23767181]

Why would anon do that?

[Anonymous No.23767182]

>reading fortress of grey ice
>ash, the girl who the mc has been going through hell for just leaves without saying goodbye or even explaining anything while he was drugged for 2 days
well fuck me for reading a book written by a woman i guess

[Anonymous No.23767194]

>>23767169
Outlook seems grim. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.23767213]

>>23767182
and even more so for self-inserting as the mc and becoming personally offended by the story.

[Anonymous No.23767226]

>>23767022
It won't matter.

[Anonymous No.23767234]

>>23765989
Gullible idiots

[Anonymous No.23767249]

>>23765556
Love people, not objects.

[Anonymous No.23767255]

>>23764107
That's limited by what there is to sense.

[Anonymous No.23767281]

>>23767249
my uncle is trains man. is hard job.

[Anonymous No.23767285]

I just started reading Foundation. I like the ideas, but the prose seems grade school level.

[Anonymous No.23767288]

>>23767285
It gets worse

[Anonymous No.23767373]

>>23767182
>reading series which will never be completed
you retarded niggers never learn

[Anonymous No.23767381]

>>23767373
JUST ONE MORE YEAR, TRUST THE PLAN

[Anonymous No.23767422]

>>23764639
Read first 3 books.

[Anonymous No.23767426]

>>23759282
Wait like 3-6 months before watching Korra - there's enough worthwhile that you should watch it, but there's a lot of rough

[Anonymous No.23767481]

>>23767255
Not an example but a good answer to mull over, thanks, I can part from some hypothetical environments.

[Anonymous No.23767492]

>>23767373
The only way to be sure is not touching anything that is not complete. And everything worth reading is already done, now that our society is ebbing into a dark age.

[Anonymous No.23767670]

Done reading The First Law trilogy today, was okay. Second and third books were a bit drag on for my taste.
Can someone tell me if Jezal and Terez will ever form any friendship or mutual understanding?

[Anonymous No.23767698]

>>23757182
>>23759282

ok I've been watching Avatar for the first time recently and I've reached around 10 episodes, it's decent but it feels like it's genuinely for middle school kids(which it probably was), does the routine of the characters doing the "emotional fight, get proven wrong, apologize, repeat with next character in the next episode" ever stop ? it's not bad but it's not really giving the masterpiece of character writing and plotting everyone says it is

[Anonymous No.23767714]

>>23761568
based

[Anonymous No.23767729]

>>23761568
Bakker's prose is some of the best in the business, but some someone please whitepill me that the series will ever actually be finished

[Anonymous No.23767798]

Just read my first Moorcock book (Knight of Swords).
It started decent enough, had an intriguing second book, but the third book was so bad that I will probably not read any further.

[Anonymous No.23767857]

>contents
Skip
>acknowledgements
Skip
>preface
Skip
>introduction
Skip
>2nd introduction (different author)
Skip
>map
Skip
>prelude
Skip
>prologue
Skip
>chapter 1
Skim

I will now read your book.

[Anonymous No.23767867]

>>23767857
>>map
>Skip
faggot

[Anonymous No.23767886]

>>23767729
It will be finished.

[Anonymous No.23767916]

ok, the book is getting better. I'm about 50% into it now. After the rough first quarter, the second quarter started to feel like an actual fantasy novel, and not alt history wank.

But I have to say, the material felt every familiar somehow. I don't believe I read this book before, but for the whole second quarter, my head is swimming in the depths of deja vu.
Is it possible that those chapters were used in another book? Possibly by another author? It was SO familiar. Scarily familiar.

[Anonymous No.23767935]

>>23767916
But I also have to say, that this guy's obsession with women is a little annoying. Like, I understand men think about women a lot irl. But it's not really adding much to the story. I would rather learn more about the world around me. In between scenarios, he makes characters leap ahead suddenly in time and space, which can be difficult to track. He has a roundabout way of conveying you're in a new time and place. It takes a while to get grounded again. And a lot of that roundabout travel, is dedicated to men thinking about women and sex. And it's just like "UGH! I get it... you have a libido."

[Anonymous No.23768061]

What's with zoomer distaste for anything sexual?

[Anonymous No.23768086]

>>23768061
Indirect posting is cowardly. Say that to the person's face.

[Anonymous No.23768092]

The preceding anon seems upset.

[Anonymous No.23768098]

>auto read Tress of the Emerald Sea as “Trees of the Emerald Sea”
>”what a kino fucking title, I can’t wait to read it”
>it’s actually just Tress
I’ve never been more accidentally disappointed

[Anonymous No.23768172]

>>23768061
I am in my 30s and sexuality is pointless in books/movies for the most part. unless it's rape, then I'm all about that shit yo

[Anonymous No.23768182]

That's because rape isn't about sex. The physical part is a means to an end. It's about power, control, and domination.

[Anonymous No.23768290]

>>23767698
I don't think that routine every changes. I found it refreshing since I find myself reading harder sci-fi with next to no character development ; and only watching serious dramas and thriller tv/movies. hell, it made me cry a couple times and if it can do that, I'll recommend it

>>23765209
nice, I'll be finishing Earthsea book 1 tonight. The Dispossessed is my favorite. A Word for World is Forest is great too. but - I don't think her stuff ever feels anything like Egan (and yet I agree with you that Egan is an idea author). where Egan is highly left brained / rational / technical / literally male ; le Guin is softer / right brained / emotive / feminine. not that it's a hard dichotomy but god damn it would be next to impossible for me to shed a tear reading Egan. the only sort of emotion (if you'd call it that) I get from reading Egan is 'ah wow, that's an interesting thought'. le Guin has made me tear up. With le Guin, magic/magick/the soul/spirit still exists in the world. With Egan, it's all down to science/rationality/reason. There is no room for the unexplained and non-rational.

[Anonymous No.23768298]

>>23768290
Egan was much more irrational and supernatural in his earliest works.

[Anonymous No.23768300]

>>23765711
I am not >>23765568 I am >>23768290 and I will say Yes: her prose between sci-fi and fantasy seems about the same. She is less descriptive than a lot of sci-fi I'm used it - and I find it refreshing. I would still absolutely recommend The Dispossessed... it's just very good sci-fi with solid political themes. It's a classic for a reason

[Anonymous No.23768318]

>>23768061
genetic dead ends. walking corpses. you should always dismiss the opinions of anyone who doesn't have children or who wouldn't like children.

[Anonymous No.23768337]

>>23768318
Ok JD Vance.

[Anonymous No.23768342]

>>23768337
JD Vance is correct to believe that. Childless people don't make future voters.

[Anonymous No.23768360]

>>23768342
Childless people can still vote though.

[Anonymous No.23768372]

>>23768360
You're only looking at the here and now. Any movement made up of mostly childless people will cease to be relevant in the span of a few decades.

[Anonymous No.23768392]

>>23768372
That's true. The thing about that is that the childlessness is most common among white people in the US regardless of anything else. I'm glad we both agree that demographic change is inevitable because of this.

[Anonymous No.23768396]

>>23768392
>The thing about that is that the childlessness is most common among white people in the US regardless of anything else.
This seems to be a symptom of universe 25-esque conditions. If the economy gets bad enough that children stop being subsidized into the lower class I predict that birth rates will plummet equally among all demographics. Welfare is a wildcard Calhoun didn't account for (rather, EVERY mouse got welfare, which meant none of them had an advantage)

[Anonymous No.23768410]

>>23768396
Seems unlikely considering the population growths of Nigeria, India, and the few other countries these continue to increase. It's already been well proven what decreases fertility.

[Anonymous No.23768447]

>>23768410
I'm interested in seeing your sources.

[Anonymous No.23768450]

christ this thread just gets stupider every time I check it

[Anonymous No.23768481]

>book is entirely sexless
>main character has no desires
>doesn't mention whether any of the female characters around him are hot or have big tits or not
why do authors do this. is it so they can get published?

[Anonymous No.23768493]

>>23768342
>>23768318
Breeders are afraid that a childless stranger's ideas are more powerful than their own. And that ultimately, their children will not carry out their will.

[Anonymous No.23768502]

>>23768481
>Criticize 1 author for being excessively focused on sex.
>Anon can only imagine a singular alternative, where books are entirely sexless.
Why are you retarded? For a thread about genres of the imagination, you sure do lack one.

[Anonymous No.23768510]

>>23768493
memetic propagation is pathetic. genetics rule the future.

[Anonymous No.23768512]

>>23768502
i just got in this thread what are yout alking about

[Anonymous No.23768529]

>>23768512
Yeah, nah. You're that coward indirectly replying.

[Anonymous No.23768540]

Some people are just angry I guess

[Anonymous No.23768551]

>>23768529
i promise you on everything i am

im nta. i was reading this book and was annoyed because the main character has no sex drive and gets actively upset when he's aroused.

[Anonymous No.23768558]

>>23768450
and yet I still come here. I'm honestly not sure where to talk about sci-fi online

[Anonymous No.23768562]

>>23768551
Mm-hm. Well, I can't prove otherwise, so I won't press the issue. What book?

[Anonymous No.23768586]

>>23768562
i dont wanna say im not done yet and I don't trust you guys

also don't want you guys coloring my opinion. but i will say an author with a similar problem is Sanderson.

[Anonymous No.23768630]

I dropped the Emperor's Blades in the last 3-4 chapters. What a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.23768632]

>>23756747
dungeon crawler carl 3 will blow you stupid little penis off

[Anonymous No.23768644]

>>23768630
It happens.

[Anonymous No.23768775]

>>23768558
Same. That’s why I just checked back, I’ve never met anyone irl who reads sf except one of my old college professors, and I’ve never had a presence on social media.
That chart’s amazing, by the way. Are there any more like it? Maybe with books/series/authors that fit into each?
>(I have the old </lit/ sf-recs general> charts somewhere which lurked in the wiki for years in a zipped harddrive, but haven’t seen this one before.)
I’d love to request if anyone has any general sf-related charts (or even sci&tech charts) that’re pretty recent to the past years.
>(The old charts were very old.)

[Anonymous No.23768791]

>>23768775

[Anonymous No.23768927]

>>23767935
maybe a maga hottie dumped him, coz he has terminal TDS

[Anonymous No.23768934]

>>23768791
how do I know if I'm having sex or not?

[Anonymous No.23768943]

>>23768450
>christ this thread just gets stupider every time I check it
Self burn

[Anonymous No.23768972]

>>23768791
>>23768775 here
Thanks anon
>(I’ve read some Egan.)

If anyone ever finds a recent sf rec chart general, I’d love it if you’d share it. So many marvelous things have come out in recent years that I can’t even begin to keep track of it all.
Whoever made those old charts did a brilliant job. I used them for years, till I used them up.

[Anonymous No.23768986]

>>23768972
I mostly write about current year books.