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"Writing with a Feather Pen" edition

Previous: >>23697148

/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
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ROYAL ROAD BUSINESS GUIDE https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847?page=1
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Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.
If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
Harsh criticism tends to get ignored, hence is not constructive.
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Simple guides on writing:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdzv1NfZRM
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAKcbvioxFk

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>> No.23704398

Reminder that literary fiction is just the drama genre.

>> No.23704403

reminder that if you haven't received at least 1 >unsolicited< review or comment praising your work, you don't deserve to speak with authority on the craft of writing

>> No.23704407

How often do you consult a thesaurus?

>> No.23704411

>>23704407
Rarely, but still sometimes
95% to remember a word I'm blanking on, 5% to spice up a word I feel is bland.

>> No.23704421

Is it possible to mix Zola - Hardy style of realism in present day setting without having anachronistic sounding prose?

>> No.23704422

>>23704403
Good thing I've a few then.

>> No.23704429
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I thought I wrote this post well. Someone add it to the future Wikipedia bibliography.

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>>23704403
I'm good then.

>> No.23704438

>>23704394
The most interesting part of pedagogical relationships his how a difficult teacher meets a difficult student, and how one rubs off on the personality and actions of the other in spite of it. Two people meeting over work is always a good story, it's why /mu/ likes band drama so much.

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what do you guys think of this?

>> No.23704442

So how many of you sellouts that went to RoyalRoad are actually doing well? Seen you fuckers commenting all the time for the past several months, any of you actually succeed?

>> No.23704447

>>23704440
is this what literature fags actually read? No wonder they're insufferable

>> No.23704449

>>23704442
Isn't the only way to succeed on the shithole to spam chapters every day of inane easily digestible tropes and pointless dialogue?

>> No.23704463

>>23704449
>only way
No

>> No.23704466

>>23704403
ChatGPT tells me all the time my work is great.

>> No.23704470

>>23704466
That counts. Well done

>> No.23704474

>>23704440
What the hell is this lmao

>> No.23704480

>>23704447
Wahhh it's not easy to read, that means it's bad
Child

>> No.23704482
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>>23704447
>>23704474
here is another wonderful passage

>> No.23704490

>>23704480
Did you think that it was good?

>> No.23704527

>>23704482
It works better when you turn off spellcheck.

>> No.23704544

>>23704482
Is this Old English?

>> No.23704550

>>23704490
No, I just like instigating

>> No.23704565
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>>23704544
I don't know what it is, this is (generally) Elizabethan english and colonial american is only slightly more west country hick than that.
https://voca.ro/1fvmOIHXsaSa
Something like this, probably.
https://voca.ro/1jYxKXZHBe4k

>> No.23704696

https://www.royalroad.com/blog/70/introducing-a-new-publishing-program
Anyone else thinking of doing this? I need to bump up my stuff by a couple thousand words before I give it a shot.

>> No.23704703

>>23704480
A fool marvels at complexity, a wise man marvels at simplicity

>> No.23704712
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23704712

I initially planned to write my novel in Arabic. However, after talking to a few published Arab novelists, I began to consider writing in English instead. They all said the state of Arabic literature is dire: readership is very low, publishers despise new authors, and the only way to "make it" as a novelist is by winning awards.
After doing some research, I found that publishing in English is also challenging, but it seems to be worth the effort. I’m confident in my story, characters, and plot, but I'm concerned that my prose might lead to rejection. picrel is a passage from a short story I wrote some time ago. As you can see, the style is simple.
Is a novel written like this publishable? I've read several of Brandon Sanderson’s books, which had very simple style, but I’m unsure if that would translate to acceptance by publishers today. After all, he gained popularity before the publishing industry became this insane.

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I can get weird with the opening as long as the rest of the book is solid, right? I see a pattern of what I have to do, I'm not going to full buck with it.

>> No.23704722

>>23704696
>https://www.royalroad.com/blog/70/introducing-a-new-publishing-program
Partnering with a publisher still requires the publisher to want to publish you. You're gonna need at least a few hundred followers as a very bare minimum, probably closer to >1-2k for the average case
But yes, Moonquill is fairly reputable if you want to try to pub with them. Personally I would self publish. Why give up a cut of your earnings, just to save yourself from making a cover + dealing with amazon?

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>>23704718
I've been studying a lot of openings for content.

>>23704712
All true as far as I understand. I would study Arabic poetry, especially all the old Persians who distrust your language as much as you do and make up most of the great poets, and try to convey that in English. The English versions of their work isn't bad.

>> No.23704752

>>23704736
wtf does that even mean
My question was "Is a novel written like the what I posted publishable or not?"

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>>23704474
>>23704544
>>23704565
This is my favorite passage because of the dead lawyers.

>> No.23704759

>>23704722
It would be a shit deal if it was just getting a cover and throwing it on Amazon. The other aspects of it are what would entice me, like getting adaptions into audiobooks/webcomics or professional editor services. I don't have a lick of experience in advertising, so it would make sense to have someone else help with it. Those connections would make up for any cuts in earnings because you'd be making more overall.

>> No.23704763

>>23704752
As it is, no. Be more poetic like great poets who weren't even native speakers, yes.

>> No.23704775

>>23704759
>getting adaptions into audiobooks/webcomics
These are separate rights negotiated outside of selling your e-book.

> I don't have a lick of experience in advertising, so it would make sense to have someone else help with it.
They really don't do much advertising, though. The home-page banner is pretty significant, I'll give you that ... maybe. Not sure yet. And even if it is, is it worth 30-50% of your total profits? Eh, tbd

>Those connections would make up for any cuts in earnings because you'd be making more overall.
That's the thing, would you be? Most RR authors would say no, that you only strike a pub deal for the convenience, because self pub makes more money overall. The hard part is getting an audience, and these publishers come to you AFTER you made your audience. They don't get you more readers--or at least not enough to make up for taking 50% of your earnings

These aren't tradpubbers that get you into bookstores across america. They barely expand your audience, because they're deeply integrated into RoyalRoad's culture, and there's where you got popular in the first place

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>>23704758
"Why, Mister Divel, you look positively nauseating. Is something the matter?"

>> No.23704810

>>23704763
لقد انتهى الأمر

>> No.23704812
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>>23704752
Learn the difference between a saz and a setar, in translation, basically.

>> No.23704887

>>23704712
I'm a native English speaker and struggle to make my prose sound more interesting too. Just remember the overall point of the story is to cleanly convey your message. There's nothing wrong with having a simple style. My first drafts are very basic, almost like an outline. Then with each revision I go back, look for places I can add more adjectives or places lacking description. It takes many passes, but eventually it feels meatier without becoming tedious. As long as your story, characters, and scenes are well done it should be okay. Of course I am not published, so it's just my opinion.

>> No.23704903

>>23704810
If I can learn to play classical music on a 3 string lute, you can write better english.

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>>23704810
Seriously, you have to find something musical that goes between languages. It's a fucking struggle.
https://voca.ro/1n4sXtIaoI9m

>> No.23705071

>>23704403
How am I supposed to do that when I don't show my writing to anyone without asking them to, explicitly or implicitly?

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>>23704356
So is there any male version of those young adult novels where the girl is some super cool and sexy and talented hero that has two sexy hot dudes pining for her attention?

I know there was the Twilight genderflip book but I don't think that really counts cause it's just a rehashing of the original story.

>> No.23705148

Anyone a plotfag? Is that a good thing? I feel like I'm losing the plot of my own narrative and I'm coping by writing dense chapters and scenes.

>> No.23705155

>>23704933
>https://voca.ro/1n4sXtIaoI9m
That's cool as fuck
>>23704887
Thanks. I'll experiment with that short story before I start with the novel

>> No.23705157

>>23705136
are you asking what the tropes are for male centric YA?

>> No.23705163

>>23705136
>teen girl protagonist
>side character is best friend
Why are you bringing up my story all of a sudden?

>> No.23705212

>>23705163
Do you have vampires and/or werewolves?
If you don't, you need to try harder.

>> No.23705226

Goodnight /wg/, may your dreams be filled with inspiration and big titty Amazons girls.

>> No.23705227

>>23705157
No, I just want to read a male version of those novels

I guess a lot of those isekai stories are like that come to think of it

>> No.23705233

>>23705227
most isekai slop is also tranny wish fulfillment. So they spawn as a gender bent futa or w/e

>> No.23705243

>>23705212
I have wolf-like creatures, but they don't transform into or from people.

I will readily admit the lack of vampires is a major failing on my part. I'll do better in the future.

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I'm seriously considering switching my story form third person limited narration to third person omniscient. I'm currently reading this and it reminded me how there's just so much fun to be had in footnotes. Early on there's full-on short stories in footnote taking on 95% of the page. On one hand I'm worried about third person omniscient being somewhat detached and less relatable, but on the other hand some of my favorite books are from the Discworld series, which are written in omniscient narration and god damn if Pratchett didn't come close to squeeze a tear out of me a couple times. And surely just because the narrator is omniscient doesn't mean you need to spill out everything in advance, in fact I'm sure you can go from omniscient to limited at your leisure, it's just the opposite that isn't true.

Anyone has written like this? Why do you think this fell out of favor?

>> No.23705497

>>23704718
>>23704736
I wouldn't read any of this crap.

>> No.23705501

My opening paragraph
>I, or we, love hamburgers. Nothing can compare to half a pound of grilled beef, crispy lettuce, soft-melted cheese, a slice of tomato, a spread mayonnaise, all sandwiched between two lightly toasted buns. Shame that's not what we got.

>> No.23705513

>>23704722
>But yes, Moonquill is fairly reputable

Bitch please. They draw you a butt-ugly cover, run ad campaigns, and upload your crap to amazon--and take half your earnings for that. This isn't publishing, it's yet another online help service for lazy people. You could do everything they do yourself. They don't help you find success, they leech off of works already certain to be successful. But RR is the perfect hunting ground for companies looking to exploit the dumb and lazy. I hate that website more by the day.

>> No.23705544

I got completely lost in my own fantasy story, that it stopped making sense

>> No.23705548

>>23704718
>>23704736
Reading this must be what it feels like to have a stroke

>> No.23705551

>>23705501
Is Burger King your co-author?

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23705557

How would one write an element (like firebending, waterbending etc.) that embodies something like the underhanded Dark-Type moves in Pokemon?

>> No.23705585

have any of you gotten editing jobs? how is it going? what was your process/how did you get the jobs

>> No.23705586

>>23705557
Give them the ability to phase into/out of shadows like they are teleporting so they can sucker punch their enemies.

>> No.23705589

>>23705501
>Mayonnaise

Disgusting, I'd stop reading right there.

>> No.23705593

>>23705501
WherE are the fukning Pickles??? A BURger without pilckle?? SIN

>> No.23705594

>>23705589
I need to put a squirt of secret sauce.

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23705597

Thoughts gentlemen?

>> No.23705599

>>23705501
Grilled onions? Hello?!

>> No.23705603

>>23705501
>no raw onion
???

>> No.23705604

>>23705597
please learn the functional difference between - and – and —

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>>23705604

>> No.23705613

>>23705597
Is Arthur secretly a girl?

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>>23705613
Maybe perchance

>> No.23705621

>>23705597
Too much air, too little matter.

>> No.23705625
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Any thoughts? This is the opening to my novel.

>> No.23705633

>>23705597
It feels like you're trying to imitate a faux-Biblical style which is making your prose overly formal and turgid. Loosen it up a bit. Not to mention the repetition; You mention the soldier's shining armor them immediately mention how stiff their armor is. Then there is all that repetition of 'land' and 'man' in the first paragraph. It's just not having the effect I think you're aiming for.

>> No.23705640

>>>>23703573

greenberg?

>> No.23705642

>>23705625
Hurriedly listing out a great deluge of nouns in order to create a sense of urgency is horribly cliche at this point. Also stop appending so many adjectives to every noun; it feels like you're simply listing things instead of creating an image of a scene in the reader's mind.

>> No.23705644

>>23705597
it's not exactly as good as le morte d'arthur

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>>23705642
Good points. I tried something new. What do you think?

>> No.23705714

>>23705667
A big improvement. The metaphor about 'painters brushes' and 'morning dew' is a nonsensical attempt at lyricism. Describing birds as 'fluffy residents' sounds childish coming from the mind of a grown man while also being nonsensical; birds aren't fluffy! Maybe change it to 'feathered residents' instead. Also mentioning blue flowers then again mentioning blue poppies is repetitious.

>> No.23705736

>>23704356
I come from a niche ethnic group without a literary tradition and I wish there was an epic based around our society, unfortunately there isn't and the closest thing to it is a series of medieval wars only a 1/3 of our population at most has any historic ties to. It's a very dysfunctional divided society and injecting it with Salafism and liberalism simultaneously has exasperated the underlying issues. I have a certain set of beliefs of what's right for my people and the right system of governance so I would like to include that in the story.
But I also want this to be a response to George RR Martin in a way that his work was a response to Tolkien. I'm dissident right but a lot of those views will by default scare away fans so I'm going to have to subvert the left wing worldview and sort of red pill people by the end of the books for some of the more difficult to swallow ideas such as eugenics not only being good but necessary. Right now I'm just writing down ideas I randomly have and getting parts of the world building down, so far I know 1 character's rough outline throughout the series and a major plot of the first book but that's about it.

>> No.23705741

LITERARY PEEPS!

Got an idea for a short-story with a slightly alt-present setting of cultural extremes, lampooning some modern mores that we somehow all just gave a pass despite a historically sweeping condemnation of the practices. Whereabouts should I even begin to start shopping something like this? I always imagined if I published anything outside non-fiction it'd be genre, and shorts have never been a consideration, so this strike of motivation has me at a bit of a loss.

The subject matter is largely apolitical, so tribal camps and publications shouldn't be a concern.

>> No.23705754

>>23705741
Maybe actually write the thing before thinking about publishers.

>> No.23705814

>>23705754
I can do both at the same time? Why would I not jump on figuring this out as soon as I can?

>> No.23705841

>>23705741
Trad publishers aren't interested in non-genre fiction and definitely not in short stories.

>> No.23705874

‘You’re slaughtering innocents.’
‘A duck killed my mother.’
‘Blasphemous, how dare you lie to us?’
‘We stand to die, cut and chopped, and punched as well, when they are done, do you seriously think I would consider the lives of a few ducklings? Will I seriously take them or their lives into account?’
‘I don’t know.’
A giant half-a blimp, house-body whose front end looked like a cruiser wreckage, out of which a giant round-insect compounded black eye came out of, whose only two thumper-forcing legs were two cowled figures whose heads were attached to the beast, that was also pseudo- ‘scaled’, bore, inside of it, a socketless skull with a squared-iron frame wrapped and connected to it which produced weird lasso motions of some peculiar quantum matter, out of the oozing protrudence of which, weirdly melting wormish one-horned shadowy lyimless came into existence only to be sacrificed during the process of being pulled from their dimensions. Throat spikes were wished inside their bleak-hearts, which in turn, out of this deadly exchange, turned one piece of the sky at a time into a window-blind, drawn behind, as it opened into space.
Out of space came flying in, weird humanoid skulls with rhinoceros horns, whose lower jaws were missing but carved in the giant crystals they appeared to be lodged inside of. Weirdly flying hammer-headed chopped thumb-cartilage pink-skinned slimes with a trailed by the sides of a serial killer victim’s mouth cuts’ shaped mouth, extremely open-wided, with black-bent-straw teeth, and a single puckery eye-protrusion that looked like a globular parasite inside a snail’s eye, -eye, kind of creatures appeared to rotate around them. They looked wickedly sick, falling apart, infested, by some plague, stuck in a never ending cackling-mouth position, their Cyclops eye crimson filled with moisture and desperation. Only caused, in no time for them to grow spic-wings, that were overly grown to an extreme grass roots that almost looked like blood sprouting out of their sides out of being stabbed with a knife. But each of them only bore a single ‘wing’, although not wings, more like a torn-apart scattered broom of long-dark needles pulsating with clot. They didn’t flap their wings, which were static, they were unaffected by anything and merely flew, or were, floating through gravity itself. Nine or so around a crystal skull; although one of these satellite creatures bore a skin tag beneath it, that was as thick as a man’s toe.

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>>23705874
Meds, now!

>> No.23706047

>>23705841
Tradpub doesn't matter monetarily, this is something I'd just like to put out into the world regardless. Just wanna know where this kind of stuff might usually find an audience or (any sort of) distribution with interest.

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Is this good or just an elaborate troll?

>> No.23706089

>>23706047
>Just wanna know where this kind of stuff might usually find an audience or (any sort of) distribution with interest.
Nowhere. A lit-fic short story is about the least publishable thing you could come up with. There's virtually no market for that sort of stuff. Best bet would be some sort of literary magazine, but good luck with that one.

>> No.23706145

>>23706089
Well, guess what, that doesn't matter, because my sleep-addled brain just realized I've been using the wrong term the entire time! Maintain your sleep hygiene, everyone.

*SPECULATIVE Fiction. As I mentioned, it's an alt-modern scenario for the premise, and I don't plan to go stylistically off the rails, so Speculative is much more apt. Not that it can't potentially categorize either way, as I'm exploring a few different framings.

I think the catty trolling in these threads has "Literary" at the forefront of my brain, so it's an easy sleepless mistake.

>> No.23706153

>>23706085
Is there a word for when the answer to a question is directly given in the question itself?

>> No.23706163

>>23706145
The indie houses trade in short stories, but they're usually collections by a single author. Sometimes they're open for anthologies around a theme. Journals and magazines may as well be dead as far as subscriptions are concerned. Shop around and you may find one that does what you want.

>> No.23706210

>>23705233
what tf kinda of isekai u been reading lmaoo

>> No.23706215

>>23705513
you're just repeating what I said? lol

They are reputable. but I would still self pub

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>>23705233
This nigga out here reading genderbender isekai slop.

>> No.23706226

>>23704356
Hey guys, I seem to remember an anon sharing his Royalroad(or similar website) story a year or so back here or in /sffg/, Id like to find it again.
It was a female MC i think, Unfortunately I cant remember much except for it starting with her being framed for murder or something and running away (maybe while raining) with some baddies in pursuit. It had a pretty grimdark vibe.

>> No.23706240

>>23706226
Have you checked the /wg/ author pastebin in the op? Could be there.

>> No.23706269

>>23704440
Who gave the Frisian farmer quill and parchment?

>> No.23706302

if someone wants me to write something for them what kind of rates should I charge?
they are making a game so I would possibly get a percentage of the sales if it finishes and ships.
i was thinking 15usd/1k words as a starting point. This would be my first paid work.

>> No.23706312

>>23706302
I'd go for partnership in an indie project. Unless you know it isn't going anywhere and want the money up front.

>> No.23706359

>>23706163
No way to avoid a through-and-through hunt it sounds like—Godspeed to me I guess o7 Thanks!

>> No.23706375

>>23705226
You can order those on Amazon?!

>> No.23706380

>>23706153
"Rhetorical question" is close.

>> No.23706434

>>23705513
>They don't help you find success, they leech off of works already certain to be successful.
Literally all publishing.

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How do I expand my vocabulary as a writer?

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>>23706442

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My story has two lovers but I have no idea how lovers actually speak, since I am forever alone. Anyone here willing to write a single page of dialogue between lovers just so I can see what it might look like? My trouble is how to *immediately* establish/imply long-lasting intimacy between them. Pic tangentially related

No, I will not use ChatGPT

>> No.23706513

>>23706434
Trad pubbing takes like 85-90% of the cut though, compared to 30-50% of these royalroad publishers
To be fair trad pubbing will actually get you loads of eyes on your work via shelf space and genuine connections
It's all trade-offs. Make the decision based on your desires and needs

>> No.23706757

>>23706269
he was actually an incredibly successful American merchant, just mostly illiterate.

>> No.23706770

>>23705589
What is your damage?

>> No.23706778

>>23704440
is that the great Lord Timothy Dexter?

>> No.23706785

What do you do to writing. #notabot

>> No.23706869

Footnotes: do you read them?
Harder mode: do you read obviously fictional footnotes?
Harderer mode: do to read obviously fictional footnotes taking up 90% of the page?

>> No.23706875

>>23706869
>Harderer mode: do to read obviously fictional footnotes taking up 90% of the page?
Is there any book that does this that isn't HoL?

>> No.23706901

>>23706875
Infinite Jest is technially sci-fi, the middle-grade series Wingfeather Saga uses quite a few footnotes, though I don't know whether they get ridiculous yet. The Alter translation of the Bible gives a good feel of jewish exegesis and commentary, almost purely from a literary perspective.

>> No.23706939

>>23706869
I expect a purpose to them and a certain authorial character.

>>23706901
Oh yeah, and Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell. The footnotes made that book, there's an element of academic occult text of an anthropological bent to it that did more for it than the vaguely Edwardian prose and structures.

>> No.23707006

>>23705714
>>23705642
>>23705633
That’s not how you use a semicolon.

>> No.23707068

>>23707006
I'm not any of those anons but besides how the 3rd one capitalized a letter, the semicolons were used correctly. They linked independent clauses without a conjunction which were semantically related.

Which begs the question, how do -you- think semicolons are supposed to be used?

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>>23706778
Don't tell anyone, but I'm working on a little something.

>> No.23707138

>>23707135
I'm going to need a vocaroo of you reading it to get a feel for the voice.

>> No.23707141

>>23707138
I promise i'll do an audiobook version in dexter's voice

>> No.23707164

>>23707141
Do it now, I want to hear how bad your period dialect is. It's hard to read because it doesn't match period language conventions and phonetics.

>> No.23707165

>>23706869
I make my own footnotes and then donate the books to secondhand stores.

>> No.23707185

>>23707164
Lord Timothy Dexter never wrote anything that adhered to any language conventions other than his own, so I didn't bother developing the translation into period-accurate 1804 Massachusetts English. I also imagine he spoke with a massive lisp because that would be funny.

>> No.23707208

Been in a bit of a rut recently, staring at my computer screen for hours on end. Ended up buying a fresh notebook and some pens. They helped more than I thought they would. Initially I was just going to use them for brainstorming around the house, but with the change in scenery I actually wrote the better part of a chapter just sitting on my porch.

Also reminded me my penmanship is horrible. Oh well.

>> No.23707216

What's the key to writing a good introduction?

>> No.23707217

>>23704356
I can't stop myself writing about my characters and within the narrative instead of writing with the characters.

Like a lot of my stuff is just them reacting or thinking about things that happen to them. How can I fix this. Its like my default writing style and everytime I try to write not in this way, it's super painful.

>> No.23707225

Writing my first fantasy story. How much time should I devote to describing settings? Like I assume a forest speaks for itself, but for characters' clothing, what unique species look like, etc., what is the norm?

>> No.23707226

>>23706466
I actually recommend you watch some family sitcoms with happily married couples in them. they’re going to be cliche and you might not find them that funny, but they will give you the flavor that you’re looking for of playful banter, casual comfort, and deep understanding of one another, that often manifests as making the same jokes and having the same conversations over and over again.

>> No.23707234

>>23707217
focus your writing on two things: actions the characters take (or choices they make), and conflict. this should help you avoid the trap of just writing whatever is on the character’s mind at any given time.

>> No.23707237

>>23707185
I gave you elizabethan english and I gave you mine own varietal of southern. Poe was from boston, I cain't the fucking cadence without speaking it like my own talk. It's somewhere in there. Yr fucking with phonetics, fucking find it.

>> No.23707247

>>23707216
For what, a character? I'd say focus on whatever their defining feature is (not necessarily physically, but how they make others around them feel) and crank that up a few levels. Think of the hallway scene in Terminator 2 where the two terminators first meet. Without any words you know exactly what each one stands for by their presence, their actions, and how they carry themselves.

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>>23707237
here is a picture of dexter's dog

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>>23707271
https://voca.ro/1mtkcyAwEnUG
Here's a picture of trying to read something like that, only it has the thing I asked you for and is phonetically regular.

>> No.23707283

>>23707226
Thanks anon. Do you mean sitcoms like King of Queens or Everybody Loves Raymond? I was trying to write two people in their 20s.

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>>23707271
You don't get to be cute until you give me undertale first, you fucking assfaggot. I already get the newsletter for that.

>> No.23707291

>>23707289
what

>> No.23707301

>>23707291
See>>23707278
You're trying to do things with ponetics, the end of my voca sums it up.

>> No.23707308

>>23707283
KoQ is a good show regardless.

>> No.23707322

>>23707283
I guess it depends what kind of story you’re telling. comedy shows about a young couple tend to be many seasons of on-again-off-again and will-they-won’t-they type stuff, so if you want them to just be a happy couple who are already together then yeah you probably want to go with one where they are parents and are just permanently together.
and yes those are good ones but you might just want to watch the first episode of a few different ones or something and see if there’s one you like more than others, and then watch that show and draw from it for your story.

>> No.23707336

is there any audience at all for superhero fiction? I have an idea for a superhero but can’t draw and want to write it as a novel or possibly a web novel. but I don’t want to waste my time on something that has no chance of finding and audience even if it is good.

>> No.23707337

>>23707301
You seem to be confused. I am doing nothing with phonetics. I am not writing the gibberish.
The gibberish was written by an illiterate man who thought he was a genius philosopher and who is not me, and I am trying to make sense of it.
What the fuck is an undertale and why do you get the newsletter.

>> No.23707349

>>23707336
Yes, they're semi popular in the web novel scene. see: Worm by Wildbow

>> No.23707354

>>23707247
The opening paragraph.

>> No.23707356

>>23707354
you don’t need to treat it differently than any other paragraph. just start writing the beginning of your story.

>> No.23707360

>>23707337
That may explaine the problym. You have to finde the regularity of voyce to the phonetic choyces based what ye kin owtryte. Making place for it in normative english is all well and good, you have to explain what it was supposed to represent as much as translate it.

Undertale is distilled autism that makes fun of the very audience it was made popular by. The sequel is, briefly put, a jrpg with danmaku elements for the Arthur audience. Every newsletter is pure performance art.

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>>23707360
I fully plan to explain the context and idiomatic meaning of dexter's writing as best I am able, but for the moment I'm still struggling to make it comprehensible, both to myself and to others.
To contextualize dexter's peculiarity and my struggle with comprehending him, here is a real page from the fourth edition of his magnum opus, 'A Pickle for the Knowing Ones'.
An editorial note from Dexter states, "fouder mister printer the Nowing ones complane of my book the fust edition had no stops I put in A Nuf here and thay may peper and solt it as they plese"

>> No.23707406

>>23705136
Basically all pre-Y2K fantasy and sci fi slop was male oriented and unimaginative. The most current example I can think of would be Eragon.

>> No.23707426

>>23707354
I get it. I freeze up every time I have to start a new chapter. I literally agonize for hours over the "best" way to start. I have no idea how to overcome it other than write some slop and revise it to something good in editing later.

>> No.23707431

How often do you go back and edit/rewrite your shit?
I write like I'm in an endless hallway being chased by some monster.
I can't look back and have to keep writing to move forward.

>> No.23707445

>>23707431
I spend more time editing/re-writing that making progress. It took me 4 days to do my first chapter because I couldn't get it right. I'm just now doing chapter 2 and I expect it'll take until next weekend.

>> No.23707462

How do I into light kid-friendly erotica? I want to imply this girl sleeps topless without sounding like a perv about it. So no mention of bare tits or anything, but just a subtle PG-rated description.

So far I got down that the weather was hot because it's summer, there's no breeze, and she gets out of bed and puts a shirt on before going downstairs. That doesn't seem clear enough though.

>> No.23707465

>>23707462
>How do I into light kid-friendly erotica?
/wg/ really is funny sometimes

>> No.23707485

>>23707462
This is what I have so far:

>With a grumble, she sat up in bed, leaving a faint sweat stain in the outline of her torso on the sheets. The winds had shifted again, returning the island to its natural summer state. Even with the window cracked open to invite a breeze, the request was ignored. Walking to her wardrobe, she opened it and slipped into a light cotton tunic that matched her skin.

Is that at least halfway decent?

>> No.23707487

>>23707462
Creep

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>>23707462
>kid-friendly erotica

>> No.23707528

>>23705667
Not a prose/style criticism, but to the last part where he's marvelling at the silence as compared to the ww1-esque battlefield, soldiers' memoirs from the western front have recorded how eerily silent it was during the intervals between bombardments and attacks, on account of every living thing being driven out by the fighting. On home leave or time spent behind the lines they would notice sounds like birdsong and bees again, after not hearing them for months at the front.

>> No.23707543

>>23706466
What sort of lovers? Young teens head-over-heels or a well established married couple? Exciting new relationship or backbone of your life for the last decade?

>> No.23707554

>>23707431
>>23707445
It is advisable to refrain from constantly editing as you go. Finish a rough draught first and then start seriously editing, or you'll just get stuck in the endless edit loop. There is no perfection.

>> No.23707568

>>23707554
Oh I'm fully aware. It's a habit I'm trying to break, but I can't help but keep going back and tweaking things.

>> No.23707572

>>23707568
literally just don't do it lol

>> No.23707603

>>23706869
One man's footnotes are another man's infodumps.

>> No.23707636

>>23706869
If they are about actual feet, I am interested.

Serious answer, I can't recall any story that has had them. If it was just a line or two at the bottom of a page, sure, I'll read it. It might be interesting. But I'm not reading a full page of footnotes. Just integrate that info gradually somewhere else.

>> No.23707672

>>23707431
That's the way you should write your first draft. Don't go back and edit your work until you finish the first draft. You are digging at the quarry. It's not time to chisel away at the slab yet.

>> No.23707677

>>23707572
It can't be helped.

>> No.23707691

Turn up the tune rip to total repair I said I said.

>> No.23707700

>>23707492
I used to tell people my genre was preteen erotica. That way they never asked me more about my writing.

>> No.23707709

Is it realistic for a woman to care deeply for a boy, unrelated to her, in a platonic way?

>> No.23707719

>>23707709
How much of an age gap is there? If it's a pseudo-mother-son relationship, sure. I've made friends with co-workers who were women that were 30 years older than me. We weren't super close, but there was no weird sexual angle to it.

>> No.23707724

>>23707700
I feel like that would get you a free interrogation with the police in America.

>> No.23707742

>>23707719
Like mid-20’s with a 10 year old. They get along like siblings.

>> No.23707752

>>23707724
Worst that happened was I got kicked out of a writing group. Then I switched to saying I wrote right wing fiction. That ALSO got me kicked out of a writing group.

>> No.23707772

>>23707752
Kind of based honestly

>> No.23707780

>>23707742
I guess it could work, as siblings. But a 15 year age gap isn't very much. At one point they would probably desire to mate. It's the law of nature.

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>>23707724
Not in the way you're thinking.

>> No.23707793

>>23705501
For me it's 1/3 pound 80/20 beef, pepperjack cheese, ketchup, mayo, hotsauce, raw onions, and a brioche bun, along with a nice serving of sweet potato fries.

>> No.23707823

>>23707401
I backsplashed piss allover myself while watching a visual kei live and had a laugh about it, that cunt has a lot to answer for. What do other anons to do to recharge? I already jacked off twice today and might go for two more just to balance the budget once I stick the widget in and switch to the bad dragon. Writing days come hard earned after trials and turmoil.

>> No.23707839

>>23707823
I do copywork. This apparently provides me with enough energy to write an entire chapter. I have no idea how or why, but it gets me into my flow state within ten minutes. Then, once I feel sufficiently ready to write, I stop and start writing.

>> No.23707855

>>23707839
I watch dudes named Shinya and Mana and Kaza do costume changes amid backmasked sounding screams.

>> No.23707937
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23707937

What's the best software to use for writing with minimal distractions? I've used Libreoffice and Obsidian.

>> No.23707957

>>23707937
hit f11 to full-screen into a focus mode for Scrivener

>> No.23707969

I could write an entire nasty goddamn novella bout front and center at 14:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZclaXQWVRCg&
Any tips? Really just wish me luck.

>> No.23707988

>>23707336
Do your homework with popular and cult works, and not just in written fiction—mind-share will be satisfied by these works for many, so make sure your work is doing enough new to stand-out even from popular shows. The sub-genre/flavour is also somewhat popular in web-fiction—see: Worm (and subsequently Ward,) Super Supportive, Super Powereds (which I think is only trad-pub now,) etc. There are plenty that are decently popular, but those are the big three I see a lot. In trad-pub, Check Schwab's The Villains, Sanderson's Reckoners, Martin's Wild Cards (multi-author anthologies in same universe) are some of the popular ones I hear about often.

Good luck, do your research! Take ideas that work with yours and adapt your own where your ideas have been done. Can still mold and style a good core concept even if there are similar works, just make sure you're aware of what's out there.

>> No.23708028

>>23707349
>>23707988
thank you, anons. I will check these out. I’m pretty familiar with superhero comics, films, and tv shows already. would you say superhero novels and webnovels are significantly different from the same genre in other mediums?

>> No.23708059

>>23707957
Scrivener alternatives? Any shit that works on Linux? Preferably not cloud but open to see what's out there. There is a LOT of software out there and doing my own search shows some more recent threads/recommendations, but will mention shit off-hand like the more recommended ones being abandoned, deprecated on Linux, etc, etc. Wanna cross-reference what /wg/ uses.

>> No.23708068

>>23708028
Often explore more complicated and nuanced scenarios for a powers premise, and err on the side of darker tones. Some of them are a bit more optimistic like Super Powereds and I thiiiiiiiink Super Supportive? (Not very familiar with it.)

>> No.23708121

I have been struck with a brilliant idea.

>> No.23708154

>>23708121
awesome, anon. might as well share it here since none of us including you actually write anything.

>> No.23708159

>>23708068
thanks. I’m gonna start worm tonight or tomorrow.

>> No.23708261

>>23707431
I love editing. I can't stop editing. I hate doing the first draft, but fixing all the mistakes in editing makes me rock hard.

>> No.23708276

how is it that my prose mostly consists of long, stream of consciousness sentences but also occasionally becomes concise and impactful?

>> No.23708300

>>23708059
Scriv is the bastard of two oldhead programs for windows and ppc mac, with a word processor tacked on. Why no one on linux can do that probably has something to do with their severe allergic reactions to basic, functional UI that don't have autism ruining it.

>> No.23708329

Reminder that Louis L'amour was a better writer than 90% of the people in these threads. Interpret that as you will.

>> No.23708337

I don't believe in myself. It's simply impossible for me to write only talented people can do it.

>> No.23708343

>>23708329
who?

>> No.23708347

>>23708343
One of the top 25 best selling authors of all time.

>> No.23708352

>>23708300
Still dominated by turbo-nerds, to be fair—I don't think the effort put into casual-user accessibility for relatively niche software is worth it for most people, especially since a lot of that technical userbase really don't give a shit.

It's still hilarious when they will unironically tell people to just use Vim or Emacs even if they aren't tech professionals.

>> No.23708355

>>23708347
never heard of him, he's probably shit

>> No.23708356

How much do you try to get done per day? A single scene? A full chapter?

For me it's a scene. If I can do one scene well, I'm happy. When you break a novel down into a bunch of scenes rather than a bunch of full chapters, it feels more manageable.

>> No.23708359

>>23708159
Worm good. Goes a bit off the rails in the second half, but kind of earns it since it honors its themes and had the crazy shit baked into the premise from the get-go. For all its issues, one of the most satisfying conclusions I've personally experienced.

Just try not to turn your own work into a clone of it by the end. Don't get too swept-up.

>> No.23708363

>>23708355
He basically invented the western genre, his works have been adapted into numerous films and television shows. You're being purposefully flippant and contrarian to prove some point, but the only thing your proving is that you're a sheltered pleb.

>> No.23708367

>>23708355
Considering that he wrote close to 100 novels and something like 250 short stories, you've heard of him. Unless you've been living under a rock your entire literary life.

>> No.23708370

>>23708363
>doesn't know the name of some hack Western author whose Wikipedia page even calls unoriginal, formulaic, and uninventive
>sheltered pleb

yeah, ok

>> No.23708372

>>23708367
I try to read good books, though

>> No.23708376

>>23708370
>He trusts wikipedia
Of course he seems unimaginative these days. He invented basically every trope that defines the western genre. He's "unimaginative" in the same way the Tolkien is, the same way that Poe is. That is to say, he isn't unimaginative... he's just been copied by every writer writing within a certain genre.

>> No.23708377

>>23708376
lmao

>> No.23708383

I wrote at least five different settings bros
How do i choose between one of them to post on Royal Road?
One of them is cultivation trash (I love cultivation novels), one is a pretty original litrpg, other is a scifi mmo isekai with a unique and original twist.
The other two are fantasy europe, one darker and serious, the other more fun.
Can't choose what to try and focus for trying a writing career.

>> No.23708397

how is it that despite my rampant MTL binging habits, my prose has somehow remained completely intact?

>> No.23708410

>>23708383
Just write what is most interesting and immersive to you, because you'll likely burn-out and drop it when it doesn't pick-up traction quickly enough for your ego if you chose it based on market reasons.

If you're good, you'll make it good regardless of what you choose, and pick-up an audience that will make you a couple bucks and justify your free-time hobby.

>> No.23708412

>>23708383
The settings aren't the dominant factor in what makes a story popular, lol. What are the premises and implied plot cycles?

>> No.23708459

>>23708028
They tend to make superheroes more "human" which basically means they worship flaws and make them pathetic and uninspirational, this missing the point.

>> No.23708495

With so many genders and orientations possible how do you decide on the appropriate combination for a character?

>> No.23708508

>>23708495
There are two genders and three (at most) sexual orientations. Quit being weird.

>> No.23708518

How to fix confidence issues for drawing/writing?

>> No.23708519

>>23708329
F. Gardner is a better writer than 90% of us. What's your point?

>> No.23708531

>>23708519
Speak for yourself. I'm above all of you.

>> No.23708535

>>23708495
You buy three 20-sided dice and whatever combination comes out, that's what you use.

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What sort of weapon would be good for a character that's similar to a D&D Glabrezu or Warhammer Keeper of Secrets, that is four arms, with the upper arms being pincers?

>> No.23708586

>>23708544
Wouldn't the pincers be the weapons?

If not, maybe something long range. Like a bow or a gun, and if the enemy still gets too close, the pincers are for close combat.

>> No.23708592

>>23708544
Something small and fast. Daggers, for example, would quickly become overwhelming if you're facing four of them at once being used by a single attacker.

>> No.23708630

>>23708459
there’s a similar trend across other media too, even before the boys tv show came out. I don’t think the avengers saved a civilian a single time in either Infinity War or Endgame. it was just a scifi action movie.

>> No.23708643

>>23708630
They technically did in Endgame by undoing the snap but I think your point still stands

>> No.23708698

>>23708410
That is the catch, they are all interesting and i suppose "immersive" to me, i enjoy them all. I just don't know which one to go. The original one is honestly one of the best, but i don't pull the trigger on it because i don't want to fight people misconceptions.
>>23708412
Whatever i go through i planning to launch on Royal Road and make a patreon if people like it, so of course i planning for the "Progression" genre. They all have cool outlines and ideas of what i want to do. The original idea that i told is the most "Full cycle" one, that it makes sense. and the scifi one would have a literal bad ass arc, where the whole novel would pay off, i would just string people and build up to it.
On that aspect that you asked me, the cultivatio novel is the weakest one, at least right now, but i do hope that as a author i can avoid most of problem that cultivation trash usually falls to (like repeating plots).

>> No.23708757

>>23708630
>>23708643
How many civilians are ever relevant across four John Wick movies? Scores of people yet 90% of them feel like they are assassins or assassin-adjacent. Everything that is at stake is contained within that hidden world. No one innocent is threatened.

>> No.23708774

>>23708586
>>23708592
Yeah the pincers would be weapons, but I think four weapons would be cooler than two.

I think that dagger idea is good cause I imagined them being kind of a pirate like character. So maybe like a Cutlass and a pistol.

>> No.23708780

>>23707543
Young adults head-over-heels for each other

>> No.23708787

>>23708757
yeah but John Wick isn’t a superhero. compare the treatment of innocent bystanders in recent superhero films with something like Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 2, which contains the greatest scene in the history of the superhero film genre, when Toby nearly kills himself trying to stop a train, and the civilians lay him down on the floor of the train car and say “god, he’s just a kid” and then they step in between him and doc oc when he shows up, and say “if you wanna get to him you gotta get through me.” the avengers in the recent films are certainly celebrities in the world of the mcu, and they fight bad guys, but they haven’t been acting like first responders in that way since, what, age of ultron?

>> No.23708799

>>23708787
>Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man 2
I can't believe Raimi put in a scene where Spiderman re-enacted the Nanking Massacre on a Chinese cultural center. What the fuck, how did Raimi get away with this?

>> No.23708946

>>23705633
While I'll admit I've never read the bible before, I do want to ask exactly what made you draw the connection between the two. Also, if you could give some examples as to where you think loosing up the sentences would benefit it, I'd really appreciate that.

>> No.23708962

>>23706939
>and a certain authorial character.
I get what you mean. Footnotes imply the existence of an author editing the text you're reading (which is obvious but you don't have to day it), and should therefore be at least opinionated, or at least funny. Like the Ciaphas Cain (HEROOFTHEIMPERIUM) books are full of footnotes from the main character's lover, who has her own opinion on the various women he met (however I swear like 40% of these footnotes are the same throughout all books, like each time the same character is introduced in each book they get their footnotes almost verbatism, which is definitely lazy)

>> No.23708963

>>23708799
kek

>> No.23708995

>>23708518
Gain experience. Stop taking yourself too seriously. Writing/drawing is work, treat it as just work, and not some spiritual measure of your self-worth. One thing sucks, so what, make another. If that sucks too, whatever, make another.

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>>23708995
>>23708518
Write and ignore 90% of feedback on 4chan.

Remember that it's a bunch of social outcasts so their feedback is as worthwhile as their social skills.

And if your writing is shit, just start over. You think these Tibetan monks drawing their mandalas were good at first? Don't get too attached to your own writing.

>> No.23709127

>>23707217
Character does stuff.
Character reacts to stuff.
Character makes a decision on doing the next stuff.
Character does stuff.
Character reacts to stuff.
Character makes a decision on doing the next stuff.
Rinse and repeat until your story ends.
There’s an official name for this kind of scene structure, but I couldn’t be bothered to look it up.

>> No.23709259

>>23709127
I do this but a lot of decisions are subtle and go over my reader's heads.

>> No.23709273

>>23709259
Found it. It’s called the MRUs.
https://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/articles/writing-the-perfect-scene/

>> No.23709294

>>23704440
Could you perhaps give some context to this?

>> No.23709302

Do you guys steal ideas if we post them here, or are you all heroes?

>> No.23709308

>>23709302
I have never stolen an idea from here, but I've also never encountered an idea that I felt I would be able to execute well.

>> No.23709323

>>23709302
None of the ideas post here are worth stealing.

>> No.23709365

>>23709302
if you have to steal ideas you probably aren't a good enough writer to make anything from them.

>> No.23709388

>>23707462
just note that her shirt lay on the ground instead of you know, being worn

>> No.23709420

I don't care what you niggas think, i need to win some sort of writing award. I need that public stamp of approval just giving ONCE and then I will go full schizo mode and explore the truly insane retardation within me

>> No.23709434

>>23709302
"Stealing ideas" is a meme. Even if I gave you a detailed plot description of my book from start to end, with themes and character profiles, the book you'd write based on that would still be completely different from what I'm writing. Not that you people ever actually finish anything.

>> No.23709438

>>23708544
Hook Swords, or a Halberd, or some other polearm that would be good for hooking, to maximize the ability to use the pincers.

>> No.23709441

>>23709434
True, based, and real. Originality is a matter of taking all your influences and mixing them and boiling them in such a way that the resulting work appears original. It's like cooking. Same ingredients, many different outcomes.

>> No.23709488
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>>23708276
I tend to ask myself the exact same question during those philosophical escapades that consist of I and my latrine.
>>23708519
Great author, Call of Wells Fargo was a masterpiece that I've yet to read in full. Oh wait, I thought you meant G. Farmer.
>>23708337
>>23708518
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo
Everyone that writes well, whatever the fuck that means to you, has written like shit at some point in their lives. Reading is good. Practice helps. Learning is paramount. Read and practice all you want, if you are not actively learning something it's mostly wasted effort towards an aimless goal. You cannot read drawings; however, if you cannot identify and replicate techniques you will be helpless to ever draw better. All of my artist friends studied anatomy, geometry and classical art so that they could draw better even if they just wanted to drawn anime girls or tattoos; I seldom see anyone in /wg/ studying anything (besides some notable exception itt). Confidence in one's skills is purely built, always tested, never prodigal. When I first started taking writing more seriously I realized that I was not as good as I thought, knew as much as I thought, and so I sought what I ought. Does this mean that I'm some sort of expert on Literature that took a financially precarious degree and read all the greats that ever were? Fuck no, but I do know a thing or two, and I strive to learn. It's the exact same thing as posting on 4chan, faggots tell others to lurk for upwards of a year when they'd learn 12x faster by posting, making mistakes and correcting them. If you want to be confident about something then you should be confident in your ability to learn, the rest will follow.
>>23708356
I mostly write when I feel like it so I'm satisfied when I write consistently.
>>23708383
If by career you mean writing serial RR sloppa (I'm not racist, I just don't like 'hem) then LitRPG is the hottest genre out of all of those. Or you could roll around in the mud pit and retrieve the holy hexarchy of LitRPG + Isekai/Portals/Multiverse + Regression + Time Travel + Cultivation + Progression. One sloppa to rule them all.
>>23708397
Crystalized intelligence.
>>23708495
As I see it, if you cannot portray their quirky gender and/or sexual orientation without outright stating it then you're (spiritually) the faggot.

>> No.23709492

>>23708544
Realistically it wouldn't matter. Defending yourself from 2 weapons attacking simultaneously is borderline impossible, let alone 3 or 4. Just pick something that's cool.

>> No.23709539

I have an ambitious project rolling around in my head, but all I've written so far is short stories. When writing out a series, is it better to plan out the world before putting anything down, or just make it up as you go along?

>> No.23709618

>>23709539
Make sure you have an interesting hook, engaging plot, good pacing, decent prose, etc. because that's what actually matters and makes a book readable. Then fill out the world building as necessary when you actually start writing. Spending years making maps and creating political factions nobody cares about is a common trap tards fall into.

>> No.23709764

>>23709539
You have to create protagonists that can run the course of the series. Most novel protags are one time use, a detective series usually has a pretty static protag that's suited to the work, your epic fantasy series need stages of development and growth for some characters and metered arcs that don't blow their load early. A standalone isn't easily reformatted as a series, a serial is either going to have a superfluous origin story or one that outshines the rest of it.

>> No.23709771

How much flak would I get for a story where the real domestic abuser isn't the boyfriend hitting his girlfriend but the masochistic girlfriend deliberately pushing her boyfriend's trauma because she gets off on being hit while he's wracked with guilt afterwards?

>> No.23709857

>>23709771
Do you want to be stalked and harassed by BPDemons? There's a way to do it that they won't cancel you for, but it's going to be work. You have to make the girl appear to be "right" in her own eyes and make the dude's motives and emotional state ambiguous; anyone sane will see what you're doing, but the crazies can't. I'd watch highlights from the Depp trial so you can see exactly how that kind of abuse looks from an objective angle and how it is interpreted by crazies in reddit comments. Not that he ever hit Turd, but the same psychological game was going on and she really wanted him to, enough to lie about it.

>> No.23709871

>>23709771
>How much flak would I get

the psycho bitch is an old trope. why would you get flak? why would you care?

>>23708363

haven't heard of him either, but then i don't read "western" genre. never even knew it existed.

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>>23709127
Action/reaction units. And you don't repeat until your story ends; there are other components.
>>23709365
"Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal." -T.S. Eliot

>> No.23709906

>>23709871
You should, maybe. There's a lot to steal.

>> No.23709908

>>23709905
>"Talentless pussies imitate; remorseless hacks steal." -My ass
Ah, my favorite quote

>> No.23710040 [DELETED] 

>>23708799
You jest, but the homophobic quip in the first movie was just as insensitive and devastating to us in the LGBTQIIA+ community. I don’t know what a “hero” is to you, but it shouldn’t be someone who engages in gaybashing.

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23710042

I started rewriting an older book. The first draft is pretty awful and incoherent. Thoughts? Tips? Prayers?:P

>> No.23710043

>>23709908
Being a "remorseless hack" sounds based to me.

>> No.23710057

https://www.wattpad.com/story/375164599
Anons, what do you think? Anything on what to improve?
>>23705136
The cruel prince? It still has a fmc.

>> No.23710064

>>23707406
And now it’s all that … but gay.

>> No.23710074

>>23710040
drama queen much? being easily offended is not a sign of strength.

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>>23705557
Fourth wing has a guy who controls the shadows.
He uses them as: bugs (he knows everything because there are shadows everywhere), something similar to telekinesis (the shadow pick up pens for example), turning a huge space completely dark and basically blinding people.

>> No.23710098

>>23710074
If suffering under the weight of thousands of years of oppression is “easily offended” then I’m curious what you consider justified offense. Oh, right, you people flip out at tampon’s in a men’s bathroom.

>> No.23710132

A Father sent His Son afar,
To reap the fields beneath the stars.
The time had come, the harvest near,
But in that land, He walked in fear.

For though He lived among the crowd,
They did not see, their heads too bowed.
The Son of Man, with feet of clay,
Worked in silence through the day.

The people spoke of worldly things,
Of wars and crops and earthly kings.
They watched the skies for signs of rain,
But saw not signs that spoke of pain.

The fields were ripe, yet full of weeds,
The thorns had choked the precious seeds.
The people worried, crops too small,
But did not hear the Father’s call.

Among them walked the King unknown,
His heart weighed heavy as a stone.
He watched the fields with sorrowed eye,
For harvest time was drawing nigh.

And still, they spoke of fleeting cares,
Of famine, drought, and worldly snares.
But none saw Him, none bent a knee,
To see the King in majesty.

One night, beneath the moon’s soft light,
The Father’s voice came through the night:
“Prepare the fields, the harvest’s near,
For soon the truth shall be made clear.”

The Son arose and worked alone,
To save the crops that had been sown.
He pulled the weeds, the thorns, the strife,
And prayed the people would find life.

But still, the crowds were blind and lost,
Unknowing of the coming cost.
They did not join Him in the field,
Their hearts were hard, their spirits sealed.

And yet, the time was drawing near,
The day of harvest would appear.
The script was written by God’s hand,
And soon they all would understand.

But for now, He worked and prayed,
That when the wheat and chaff were weighed,
The people’s eyes, at last, would see,
The Son, their King, in majesty.

>> No.23710138

>>23710043
Yes, it's seen as fashionable these days. Everyone wants to be one.

>> No.23710148
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23710148

>>23710098
Have you tried purging your system of intestinal parasites? That has cleared up a lot of cases of "being gay".

>> No.23710161

>>23710148
I was born this way, you fucking bigot. If this was Reddit we’d downvote your disgusting message into oblivion.

>> No.23710164

>>23710148
>>23710161
I can't tell if one of you is trolling and one is shizo, or if both are trolling
Classic 4chan

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>>23710161
Oh...that involves a different treatment.

>> No.23710170

>>23710161
how did you determine you were gay as soon as you were born? plenty of chances to contract intestinal parasites in your early years

>> No.23710174

>>23710148
>Filled his toilet with intestinal worms
That's mucus, anon. It's when the medicine irritates your intestines.

>> No.23710177

This is a writing thread, retards

>> No.23710182

>>23710174
Since when is mucus shaped like worms? Are you claiming he stopped being gay after shitting out a bunch of mucus?

>> No.23710189

>>23710170
Not a fag, but it's because of a process that substitute intersex genes with gay ones in order to prevent self abortion and risk the live of the host (the mother). Fags are meant to not reproduce, live them alone, their genes are too shit for that.
"Understanding Homosexuality: Moving on from Patterns to Mechanisms Sergey Gavrilets1,2,3•Urban Friberg4•William R. Rice5"

>> No.23710195

>>23710177
You're right...>>23710040 was very offtopic.

>> No.23710197

>>23710177
Nobody here writes, retard.

>> No.23710199

>>23710132
I appreciate the messianic themes. 1st century setting or other?

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>>23710084
>>23705586
I think I'll have it where the user of it can dissipate into smoke and reform, as well as create some amount of smoke

I meant for it to be an underhanded supplement to physical combat, with this the user can do some of the dirtier and more underhanded moves I wanted

>> No.23710208

>>23710195
That's because you're being trolled fuckass. I guess that confirms my 1 troll 1 schizo theory.

>> No.23710211

>>23710197
I write

>> No.23710214

>>23710182
Because that is actually a troll who took inspiration from a /b/ post that claimed the same thing (shitting worms after cleansing his bowels with i dont remember what). Toxoplasma gondii is invisible to the human eye, anon.
Also, you don't lose attraction toward something you jerked off to for the last 20 years.

>> No.23710216

>>23710208
But which is which?
Why can’t we talk about harem litrpg progression fantasy isekais like normal writers?

>> No.23710224

>>23710214
toxoplasma gondii isn't the worms, dumbass.
>you don't lose attraction toward something you jerked off to for the last 20 years
source: trust me bro
try saying that after you turn 40. stupid kids think they know everything

>> No.23710244

>>23710216
>Why can’t we talk about harem litrpg progression fantasy isekais like normal writers?
Dude I'm down what you wanna talk about?

>> No.23710260

I wish AI was advanced enough to tell you that you're trash but not advanced enough to write coherent stories.

>> No.23710261

>>23710244
Oh, no, I was just joking. I don’t write genre trash.

>> No.23710281

>>23710199
History repeats itself, and man knows not why. A parallel—just as Christ was not recognized during His first coming, so too will many fail to recognize Him at His return. It is meant to reflect both the past and the future, revealing the same divine pattern unfolding again.

>> No.23710283

>>23710224
>Toxoplasma gondii isn't the worms
Sorry, I tried to save the post from scientific irrelevancy. If you disagree that the cause is toxoplasma gondii, and instead you talk about the general "worms", then the argument for it being an exogenous reason for fags being fags is completely unscientific: toxoplasmosis and worms are both parasites, and if fags have a lot of fags with toxoplasmosis, then all parasites produce homosexual behaviour in men. Proof? My cousin, he had worms.
>source: trust me bro
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84496-z
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_neurogenesis
There is no adult neurogenesis in the precentral gyrus, anon. The precentral gyrus determines if you are gay or not.
There is only adult neurogenesis in the hypothalamus and in women in their noses (during pregnancy). The pituitary gland won't produce "love" hormones because

>> No.23710287

the romans were gay

>> No.23710291

>>23710283
>because
because the precentral gyrus is too big to react to female bodies.

>> No.23710301

>>23710261
:(

>> No.23710307

Any books that illustrate the basics of writing a story? I'm reading one right now, but I need to know the basics of it, some ground rules, before I can start experimenting.

>> No.23710315

>>23710307
You’re reading a book about the basics of writing a story and it’s not basic enough for you?

>> No.23710322

>>23710315
What I mean is that I need to learn the fundamentals and try to get good at them, I've been writing for half a year but I was doing it purely to my own devices and without much of any real understanding of how to write stories. This is fine, they were just short stories I did for fun, but I want to improve a little.

>> No.23710337

>>23710281
The ambiguity is definitely there. good work

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>>23710261
But you don't write anything at all!

>> No.23710356

>>23710182
Toxoplasmosis parasites are microscopic.
These supposed "worms" are actually your intestinal lining sloughing off.
Mentally ill middle-aged white women who can't cope with their precious baby being autistic or whatever have been known to do various deranged "treatments" such as bleach enemas which cause the excretion of similar """worms""" through the same mechanism of the intestinal lining sloughing off in an effort to protect the intestines from an irritant.

>> No.23710360

>>23710354
Just keep telling yourself that, simpleton.

>> No.23710363

>>23710042
I like it, anon.

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I've posted a few times about my novel "Cherno Caster" here, I figured I ought to make a final post since I'm done. It's finished. Edited, published, has an audiobook, selling.
Well, done with this volume. Vol. 2 is in editing and I'm starting work on Vol. 3

Obligatory "buy my book". I won't link it here, if you want to buy it just google it.

>> No.23710374

>>23710132
This made me feel like I was back in the summer of 1381.

>> No.23710401

>>23710369
How do you write so much?

>> No.23710402

>>23710214
>>23710356
Lmao, is this /lit/'s famous reading comprehension ability at work? The post in the image doesn't say Toxoplasmosis was the parasite that causes homosexuality you retards, the poster was just using it as an example.

>> No.23710420

How do you pick names for fictional places that don't sound nonsensical, or like you're copying from somewhere else

>> No.23710456

>>23710401
From my perspective, I don't write much. That might sound like a humble brag, but I constantly find myself compared to people who do 2k/day, and one of my acquaintances is an actual monster who can shit out 10k of good prose in a day while working a 9 to 5. By comparison, my 1k-1.5k/day (which I haven't been able to do in a few months and am desperately trying to reach again) feels like the bare minimum.

The only advice I can give is to write as regularly as possible, daily if you can, and to serialize your work with an intended schedule to receive external pressure to maintain that level of output. That's what worked for me, might not work for you.

>> No.23710505

I'm a creative, an artist, a wordsmith

>> No.23710515

>>23710402
lol that’s not what we meant retard maybe u should learn to read

>> No.23710540

just wrote 15 dollars worth of blowjob

>> No.23710541

>>23710360
Cope.

>> No.23710560

>>23710307
https://www.advancedfictionwriting.com/ the free articles about the snowflake method and writing the perfect scene are what you are looking for.

>> No.23710562

>>23710541
Seethe.

>> No.23710909

>>23710908
>>23710908
>>23710908

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>>23704356
Don't visit this board often.

I'm writing a D&D backstory. I'm not much of a writer, but is there a way I can make the following sentence more clever?

"Born the son of a carpenter, Mik’ael has ambitions to make a name for himself and perhaps give Changelings a better name despite his parents warnings of the dangers in attempting to do so."

I was thinking of a play on the word "name" given that both Mik'ael wants to give himself a name, and that he wants to give Changelings a better name. I feel like there should be something here but I can't think of anything.

Also if anyone could tell me about some advanced writing techniques, that would be really helpful. I want to use something more impactful and original beyond your basic metaphors, similes, and analogies.

>> No.23711968

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