/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.23683292]

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Previous Thread: >>23671074

[Anonymous No.23683341]

>>23683292
Are there any other stories worth reading with vampires and aliens?

[Anonymous No.23683366]

>start reading A Crown of Swords
>Elaida wrongly disregards and downplays every single threat and proceeds to build a fuck hueg palace just because she wants to have one while being manipulated by a forsaken
>Sevanna watches an entire battlefield explode and her Aiel turn into minced meat due to hundreds of male channelers dominating the field, still forcefully pushes everyone to attack thinking she has a chance
>Nial gets fucking assassinated by his mentally challenged spymaster
>all in the prolog
is there a single person that isn't retarded in this world

[Anonymous No.23683385]

Best Elric of Melniboné clones? No Witcher.

[Anonymous No.23683395]

>>23683385
Kane, by Karl Wagner, isn't a clone but it is about an amoral sorcerer/warrior who wanders around and causes trouble for people.

[Anonymous No.23683396]

>>23683366
Wheel of Time could have been wrapped up like six books earlier if the characters just spoke to each other and weren't retarded

[Anonymous No.23683403]

Anyone have any books about wandering? It can be space or the ocean.

[Anonymous No.23683434]

>>23683396
Well it is realistic at least. I bet that if Earth had its chosen one there'd be an infinite amount of factions all battling each other for influence over the guy instead of working together.
I don't like the whitecloaks though, they're the most unrealistic faction of them all and they don't really make any sense to me.

[Anonymous No.23683451]

>>23683292
Are women better at writing characters?

[Anonymous No.23683464]

>>23683451
I wouldn't say so, no. There are only a few good female authors in general.

[Anonymous No.23683475]

>>23683464
Name 5.

[Anonymous No.23683716]

I liked COTC a lot more than SOTT. What am I in for with Sword of the Lictor?

[Anonymous No.23683789]

Just finished reading Midnight Tides and I had a question. Do the books ever go into detail on the K'Chain Che'Malle or Nah'Ruk? I'd like to see more about their society, magic and how advanced they were as a species.

[Anonymous No.23683848]

>>23683434
The entire religious aspect of WoT is underwritten tbqhwfldd.

[Anonymous No.23683854]

>>23683366
Despite claims of WoT being feminist literature, the series is full of what can only be described as "woman moments."

[Anonymous No.23683925]

>>23683789
Malazan only goes into surface-level detail about anything in the setting. Even the protagonists barely get any backstory.

[Anonymous No.23683936]

>>23683925
Yeah but the Jaghut and T'lan Imass were described in fine detail. How they lived, how they bury their dead., their magic, what their buildings looked like etc,

[Anonymous No.23683937]

In my opinion the most important aspect of fiction, including fantasy and sci-fi, is the human element. Once you get past the gods and armies, the Iliad is ultimately a story about a man who is scared to die. The Odyssey is about a man trying to reunite with his wife. I feel like modern fantasy and sci-fi are too preoccupied with worldbuilding and giant battles to remember this. Does anyone agree or disagree?

[Anonymous No.23683939]

>>23683936
>Yeah but the Jaghut and T'lan Imass were described in fine detail
Not really, we get a few details but nothing I would consider particularly extensive. To be fair they're both dead civilizations, but Letheras was the only culture that really felt developed in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.23683951]

>>23683937
There's plenty of fantasy and sci-fi with a strong human element, but the audience consuming them are autistic nerds who can't relate to that and would rather rattle off inane facts about world building.

[Anonymous No.23683954]

Anyone reading books from current year? Most releases this year seem to be sequels to things I haven't read yet, and this was one of the only debuts I found.
>>23683937
ASOIAF features between 5-10 characters that are among my favorite characters in all of fantasy. /sffg/ gave me the impression that Sanderson had a bad case of worldbuilding autism, but I found Sazed's arc in Mistborn series 1 to be highly compelling and emotional.
I like the Odyssey but I also fine ancient literature to be more impersonal. The themes are there, but as Harold Bloom would say, Shakespeare invented human emotions. I'm more invested in the protagonists of a Jules Verne or H.G. Wells novel than I am in pre-Shakespeare mythological heroes that are written in a way that we only get a small glimpse of their psyche.

[Anonymous No.23683962]

Did anyone start james sa corey's the mercy of gods yet? I am unable to find it on libgen

[Anonymous No.23683990]

>>23683939
>Not really, we get a few details but nothing I would consider particularly extensive
More extensive than the K'Chain though. I just want to know if they get any more details like that. Are any of them ever named? Speak to any characters? They're interesting to me and I want to know more.

[Anonymous No.23684033]

>>23683954
I'm scared that AI is already writing most of the books published this year

[Anonymous No.23684044]

Any dragon fiction?
Any by "dragon" I mean MC is a real dragon, not human with dragon powers.

[Anonymous No.23684049]

>>23684033
If you tried to use AI, you would know that modern AI is suffering from dementia. It can't remember what it wrote a few paragraphs ago, leading to complete nonsense. Even amateur writer is better than that.
Conclusion: good for poetry, bad for everything else.

[Anonymous No.23684058]

>>23684044
yeah on fur affinity

>>23684049
I would have thought so until recently but claude 3.5 sonnet has such a large context window you can feed in someone's entire novel and tell it to add a chapter and it can. It's not just going to be new charlatans doing this it's going to be established authors that get lazy and publishers too.

[Anonymous No.23684063]

>>23684058
>yeah on fur affinity
I'm looking for published books, not yiff web-fiction.

[Anonymous No.23684067]

>>23684063
I'd be surprised if a book like that saw print but maybe someone has published an ebook for that niche on amazon.

[Anonymous No.23684112]

>>23683385
I read the first Elric book but really disliked the writing style. Does it get better? What about The Eternal Champion? I really like the idea behind it, but the writing, man..

[Anonymous No.23684121]

Why do they hate printing Jack Vance so much? I impulse bought Lyonesse from a book shop which got a Gollancz printing this year and it's awesome, look online and barely anyone has read it because it's barely printed. As far as I know Jack Vance is American why do britbongs have to be in charge of printing him.

[Anonymous No.23684139]

>>23684044
There's asian books with MCs that are dragons, but thats because in the East theyre gods, and in the west theyre monsters

[Anonymous No.23684176]

>>23684067
I already read a few books of "Wing of Fire" series. Basically "Warror Cats", but with dragons. I didn't read later books, I heard that dragons acquire non-binary pets or some such nonsense.

[Anonymous No.23684246]

>>23683716
i liked shadow more than claw, and sword more than either. it's probably the best out of the four parts

[Anonymous No.23684300]

read this. if you thought naomi chapters from the expanse were bad prepare your anus. it has an overbearing feeling that it was written to be a tv show and they pre-added all the excruciating, pointless interpersonal drama scenes which tv show writers like to add when adapting a book
it has an interesting premise and the protagonist does interesting things but 50% of the book is padded out with muh feelings muh mental health struggles muh i can't drink coffee any more i'm such a quirky urbanite scientist
holy fuck

[Anonymous No.23684346]

>>23684112
When Moorcock says he's a bad writer with big ideas he MEANS he's a bad writer with big ideas.

[Anonymous No.23684352]

>>23683385
Malus Darkblade. Pretty much an edgier Elric firmly on the "evil" scale of the axis.

[Anonymous No.23684382]

Test.

[Anonymous No.23684387]

>>23684346
Well, damn. Thanks, anon.

[Anonymous No.23684399]

>>23684121
because american "publishers" don't think he's going to sell well.

the only vance stuff sold in america by american publishers are Tor's Dying Earth omnibus paperback and Emphyrio, which is in the LoA's sci-fi novels anthology.

Shame because I think Vance could be big bucks if they tried selling him again. The used market for him is ravenous and even buying fucking shitty old paperbacks for his stuff gets expensive.

At least there's Spatterlight Press that's kept his work in print but they're a print on demand house in Poland? I can get any Vance book in hardcover from them via Amazon but it's 25 bucks. Paperbacks are 15-20.

The only other easy to find older Vance books are the Caldwall trilogy, The Demon Princes collections by SFBC/Tor, and Planet of Adventure collection by Tor. I think Vance has been recognized as a genuinely great writer and it baffles me why he's not been elevated at all. Like, a Library of America set of Vance would sell like hotcakes. Fucking Gollancz editions of anything by Vance is expensive on the second-hand market. There's clearly a high demand.

I'd love to get me a hardcover Lyonesse set but the fucking books are expensive.

[Anonymous No.23684480]

I'm looking for a very particular type of fantasy smut slop.

The mc should be an adventure, and clever. Think goblin slayer.
They need to be futa and the pairings futa/f
And most importantly, no little isekai or comedy slice of life garbage.
Webnovels are the new pulp. So my dream slop must exist somewhere, right?

[Anonymous No.23684493]

>>23684399
I wouldn't reccomend getting scalped for Gollancz edition. The paper is shitty newsprint.

[Anonymous No.23684541]

>>23683366
>Robert Jordan unabashedly showing how dumb women can be for 14 books
Pretty based, desu.

[Anonymous No.23684553]

>>23684480
have you considered killing yourself?

[Anonymous No.23684558]

>>23684480
Goto /d/ then if you want sick, twisted shit.

[Anonymous No.23684601]

>>23684541
Every woman even from the start is batshit crazy. And the whole series is one long dick tease. You might think its pretty cool if you read it as a kid like I did, but with perspective it's so devoid of substance. I guess the long length intrigues people but there is so much pointless travel and filler from place to place, which is the real reason why it's so long. Wow they stop at another inn, wow they stop at another inn, etc. I don't really get why people would invest the time into reading it these days, maybe just to say they did which I guess is as valid a reason as any if you have been reading fantasy for a while. But if you're new and want to read pop fantasy then you should much rather look at stormlight or song of ice and fire and get what you probably actually want instead.

[Anonymous No.23684627]

>>23684558
What's twisted about it? Is it so hard to find fantasy erotica that isn't monster fucking?

[Anonymous No.23684650]

>>23684627
Monster fucking is less twisted than futa desu

[Anonymous No.23684693]

>>23684601
I'm surprised how fast the black tower becomes a thing. It gets set up at the start of book 6 and at the end it's already a major force in the world.
Meanwhile the Salidar niggas sit on their ass doing nothing and need 2 books of time wasting just to get them to do something, and that something is sending Elayne and Nynaeve on the exact same type of adventure that they were on a book or two ago.
It's incredible how much filler these books have, it's like an unpolished gem. And it's apparently about to get worse now that I reached the slog.

[Anonymous No.23684703]

[Anonymous No.23684716]

>>23684693
>now that I reached the slog.
The slog of slogs, truth shines.

[Anonymous No.23684828]

>>23684480
If you like herms, you'll like stories about Chakats:
http://www.chakatsden.com/chakat/
(It's often Isekai, tho)

[Anonymous No.23684851]

This Reddit enclave should be banned from the board. Literal discord circlejerk.

[Anonymous No.23684873]

>well that was a nice little bit of plot, time for a 200 page long battle sequence, we've got toys to sell
Is there a 40K novel that doesnt follow this formula?

[Anonymous No.23684884]

>>23684873
>a 200 page long battle sequence
Are you trying to sell me on it or what?

[Anonymous No.23684894]

>>23684884
I mean I've read 6 Horus Heresy books so far and they're all like that so I'm getting tired. Galaxy in Flames is a novel long battle

[Anonymous No.23684903]

Are Doctor Who Expanded Universe books any good?

[Anonymous No.23684906]

>>23684873
the few warhammer fantasy books i've read do the same thing. easier to write combat than actual dialogue or plot i guess

[Anonymous No.23684913]

>>23684873
If the alternative is listening to immortal demi-gods complaining about hurt feefees and their absent father I choose bolter porn.

[Anonymous No.23685228]

>>23684480
You should look for some books on overcoming porn addiction instead.

[Anonymous No.23685231]

>>23684873
>>23684894
>I mean I've read 6 Horus Heresy books so far and they're all like that
What are you smoking, mate? They're absolutely not like that at all.

[Anonymous No.23685255]

What's the point of long-ass "porn with plot" stories, anyway? If I'm in the mood, all that plot is in the way of porn (also, too long). If I'm not in a mood, all that porn is in the way of the plot. It's a lose-lose situation, so why?

[Anonymous No.23685268]

>>23684601
Overall I enjoyed the ride. But it could've been MASSIVELY cut down. As in literally books 3-4 could've been one book as well as books 7-9. Delete book 10 and go straight to 11. It could've been whittled down to maybe 9 or 10 books and they didn's have to be a thousand pages each, either.

[Anonymous No.23685284]

>>23683292
Some anon asked a similar question in the previous thread but are there any fantasy stories other than the Hobbit that focus on peasants, commonfolk, etc. going on adventures (whether they be small or large in scale) without eventually turning into politics? Or at the very least have the politics be in the background?

[Anonymous No.23685308]

>>23685284
Isn't that basically every story ever?

[Anonymous No.23685318]

Thinking of picking up A Canticle for Liebowitz. How does it treat its religious themes?
I don't need it to be pro religion necessarily but I'm also not interested in anti religious stuff either.

[Anonymous No.23685334]

>>23685318
It's monks preserving ancient technology. So monk/scientist is the same thing.

[Anonymous No.23685405]

>>23685255
Imagine how enthralling a well told fight scene is, and apply that same fascination to sex. A good author will turn you on before the sex scene so it's gratifying to see it happen

>>23684627
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/1084494/kono-drow-exile/
This one should satisfy your specific needs. It's got it all honestly, good lead, good adventure, good action, and even fits this >>23685284 this anons request if he doesn't mind some smut. There's a lot of erotic stuff on web novel sites but they're usually comedic, stupid, or Chinese.

[Anonymous No.23685469]

>>23668624
yes late 19th and early 20th century 'speculative' fiction and magical realism that would become modern 'Fantasy' was immensely inspired, like Adventure (Tarzan), by historical fiction, exotic travelogue reportage and non-fiction with the Lost World subgenre capitalizing on the still largely unknown African continent. All part of that pulp, weird, comics milieu at the time

[Anonymous No.23685565]

I am Chud the Unavoidable!

[Anonymous No.23685567]

I'm stuck working 5AM - 7PM shifts for the next four weeks. Please recommend me some cool books to read in the evenings!

[Anonymous No.23685587]

>>23685565
Cugel would beat him

[Anonymous No.23685600]

>>23685587
>Avoids Chud the Unavoidable
>Loses the tapestry while being chased out of town

[Anonymous No.23685648]

>>23683341
The sequel to your pic related. It gets a bad rap because it doesn't meet the high bar set by Blindsight, but it's still pretty good.

[Anonymous No.23685724]

>>23684480
I'm literally writing a futa MC with futa/f pairings adventure story that has goblin-slaying in it... how uncanny

[Anonymous No.23685739]

>>23683451
No. The characters will frequently end up being wimpy. It's already rare to see competence and confidence that isn't silly over-the-top.

[Anonymous No.23685743]

>>23685567
>14 hour shifts

[Anonymous No.23685749]

>>23684493
I have a handful of SF Masterworks editions and realized that the paper ain't the best but these were pre-covid era prints.

I did hear the original run of the fantasy and sf masterworks gollancz books were using pretty bad paper too. I don't know how true this is or if it applies to all Gollancz/Orion books.

[Anonymous No.23685770]

>>23684493
oh right, collectors ruined the market for the Fantasy Masterwork line and I see almost all the books in it going for 20+ dollars. The SF Masterworks line isn't as bad, is it? I don't know Gollancz's rep too well but I've never spent more than 10 bucks on a book.

They seem like a decent way to collect more modern copies of these classics, provided one doesn't get scalped. I saw some copy of SF Masterworks Day of the Triffids go for 30+ on ebay. There's also their Golden Age Masterworks like that made a John Carter Collection that's like 20+ bucks. Not sure if that's worth it because a hundred John Carter Anthologies exist for cheaper.

Actually,do the gollancz editions get priced higher because they appeal to consoomers? I just liked being able to get a recent-ish printed copy of Lord of Light. I'd like a neat edition of this book but the '70s SFBC hardcover goes for like 80 bucks and the original hardcover run goes for even more expensive. Any Vance books are more ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.23685774]

Why does science fiction not focus more on space ships?
Space battles are great. They are awe inspiring, they look great on screen, they sound amazing, but when I read them in a book they're kind of boring. Why is that?
Why does a battle scene between two sorcerers seem more interesting in a book than a battle between space ships? Even a sea battle between sea-faring ships like cruisers reads as more interesting. Why?

Is this the reason why Sci Fi usually boils down to the same factional and personal relationships as other genres?

[Anonymous No.23685775]

>>23685567
Jack Vance's Dying Earth books
Fritz Leiber's Lankhmar series
The Illuminatus Trilogy
Robert E. Howard's Works
Alfred Bester's Works
Harry Harrison's Stainless Steel Rat

[Anonymous No.23685779]

>>23685587
With Cugel’s luck he could beat anyone

[Anonymous No.23685832]

>>23683341

[Anonymous No.23685852]

>>23685743
I'm europoor and this is the only way i can possibly earn more than 800 dollars a month.
I'm quitting next paycheck though because of the
>14 hour shifts

>>23685775
Thanks for reminding me about Dying Earth. I'll write down all of the suggs btw thank you a ton!

[Anonymous No.23685937]

Opinions on the Culture series by Banks?

I'm almost done with Consider Phlebas, and while it is ok as far as entertainment goes, I was expecting something more.

Are the other books better?

[Anonymous No.23685942]

>>23685937
The first is arguably the worst book. Most advise skipping it.

[Anonymous No.23685953]

>>23685852
Don't say "europoor" like this is a normal thing in europe, you're clearly from eastern europe. And low salaries in western europe are a 100% a valid trade off for cheap healthcare and other government programs. You balkanites unfortunately get the worst of both worlds though.

[Anonymous No.23685960]

>>23685832
That space vampire book scared the shit out of me in third grade.

[Anonymous No.23686058]

>>23685937
the second book also disappointed me
it is very episodic to the point where the stories feel pointless

[Anonymous No.23686131]

>>23685852
14 hour shifts is hell man, I do 10 hour shifts working from home and still dislike it, I feel for you man, hope everything improves

[Anonymous No.23686201]

>>23685724
You should share a link

[Anonymous No.23686231]

Holy Platonist kino.

Guy was a friend of Tolkien and C.S. Lewis and the latter sings particularly high praises of this work.

The simple premise is Platonic forms breaking out and roaming the English countryside due to an esotercist. A PhD focused on Pythagorean links to Abelard gets caught up in the mix

[Anonymous No.23686232]

>>23686231
Also kino. How did genre fiction become known for slop when stuff like this and Borges dominated early on?

[Anonymous No.23686233]

>>23686232
>>23686231
Forgot the pic. Tolkien might ironically be the weakest of the group.

[Anonymous No.23686256]

>>23685268
Ill never understand how people bitch about book 7 and yet book 6 is never mentioned. Outside of dumai's well fucking nothing of importance happens in book 6 and is pure slog

[Anonymous No.23686261]

>>23684480
Just cut out the middle man and watch tranny porn

[Anonymous No.23686273]

>>23685832
kino

Any general suggestions for Sci Fi/Fantasy that can match the feel of Blood Meridian? Just read that book and was awesome, consider Hyperion and the following books. Lover berzerk, lotr, and star wars books, but lookin for something heavier, think Hyperion is a good fit but could use other, just got my audible sub

[Anonymous No.23686291]

>>23686273
The second book of 'The prince of nothing' trilogy.

[Anonymous No.23686299]

>>23684873
Try the Warhammer Crime or Warhammer Horror imprints. I'm a simp for Fehervari where combat is short, brutal, and not at all heroic. Fire Caste is basically space Apocalypse Now, and you get much more creeping dread and hanging out with people while things happen (its not uneventful) on the way to the battles.

Warhammer Crime for 40K is basically a hive city detective noir imprint and is one of the biggest sources of day to day characterization of the imperium. Its the only book where you'll see a character experience the universal thinly cut meat with bread and a secret sauce that defines urbanized life.

[Anonymous No.23686316]

>>23686273
The Darkness That Comes Before. Just bear in mind it starts a bit slow.

Dune meets Berserk meets LOTR, with the First Crusade as the backdrop (but with inexcusably complex names, magic, and rape aliens).

[Anonymous No.23686362]

>>23685565
lmao

[Anonymous No.23686379]

>>23684480
Scribblehub

[Anonymous No.23686386]

>>23685318
It's Catholic to a fault.

[Anonymous No.23686389]

I've some of most of these books and know what I'm in for, what am I in for? Dhalghen filtered me 20 years ago.

[Anonymous No.23686404]

>>23686379
I've tried many times with this site, you have no idea how low the quality is

>>23686261
You sound mad

>>23685405
So far this reccomend is surprisingly good. Crisp pacing and a surprising focus on realism. A shame there's only 15 chapters, I guess this is a monkey paw situation

[Anonymous No.23686443]

Lord of the Mysteries has some tranny stuff but I wasn't expecting Throne of Magical Arcana to be so homosexual

[Anonymous No.23686512]

>>23686389
Hogg isn't sci-fi/fantasy, it's thinly veiled erotica full of every kind of perversion. The book opens with the main character performing oral sex on another man and commenting on the scent of his musky balls.
Have fun reading anon!

[Anonymous No.23686569]

>>23686273
R Scott Bakkers Second Apocalypse

[Anonymous No.23686736]

>>23686512
It's some kind of speculative fiction: dystopian, utopian, pornotopian; it's all in the eye of the reader. It's like a Voyage to Arcturus, but Arcturus is the Oklahoma Panhandle.

[Anonymous No.23686776]

>>23685334
>>23686386
I can deal with that. Thanks for the answers, anons.

[Anonymous No.23686784]

>>23686512
The absolute state of modern "literature"

[Anonymous No.23686796]

>>23686233
I enjoyed Out of the Silent Planet more than I thought I would. Have Perelandra on my reading list.

[Anonymous No.23686803]

>>23686256
Same anon, I think Book 6 does a good job of building up a lot of future threads, in my opinion. I especially like their return to Shadar Logoth. But I do agree it's an excruciatingly slow burn.

[Anonymous No.23686808]

>>23685308
No.

[Anonymous No.23686838]

Why does /tg/ hate certain authors of Warhammer? I was told there to never read heresy and I read books randomly and loved it. The white scar focused books are great

[Anonymous No.23686860]

>>23686838
Lots of guys bitter over head canons not being true, culture war garbage, and /tg/ becoming a bad board

[Anonymous No.23686941]

Been reading Florida Man in a Cultivation World. I wasn't expecting such a stupid amount of spaceships.

[Anonymous No.23686980]

[Anonymous No.23687117]

Pierre Bordage isn't even translated in English. Explain yourselves

[Anonymous No.23687265]

>>23684044
Wings of Fire.
for webnobels, havea look at https://rentry.org/scalywn

[Anonymous No.23687282]

Why is this site so unbelieviably racists. Cmon It's 2024 and not a single asian or african novel. How is shit like this allowed? Wouldn't you expect someone over the last 10 years of an explosion in popularity of xianxia, wuxia and litrpg that someone wouldn't go, "hey maybe we shouldn't exclude all these new voices?" But I guess either noone said that or they were ignored (much more likely).
Doesn't the government have laws against blatant racism? I feel like they should have their hosting privileges revoked. What are your thoughts?

[Anonymous No.23687325]

This is shit isn't it? I'm a few chapters in but had to stop, feels like tumblr fanfiction. It's not a good sign when the author spend the first pages telling you this is a HARD world, a BLOODY land, instead of showing it. And he keep hammering this while showing the happy little orc family that looks like something out of a christian pamphlet.

That's why I only take recommendations from these threads, everywhere else people keeping patting each others backs about the most milquetoast fantasy books.

[Anonymous No.23687334]

>>23687325
>2 out of 3 mcs are woman
What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.23687340]

>>23687334
>2 out of 3 mcs want vengeance for their families
Yeap, there was no hope to begin with

[Anonymous No.23687346]

>>23687340
Vengeance is one of those things that speaks to men's souls the most.

[Anonymous No.23687563]

>>23686131
Thanks, i'm quitting next month bc of how bullshit the hours are.
>>23685953
I'm too young to really have much use out of any of those desu. It's somewhar annoying to see migrants living it up while i wageslave. Cool dudes in turbans pass my construction site daily, carrying takeout, drinking, enjoying the summer breeze etc.

[Anonymous No.23687601]

>>23687325
>That's why I only take recommendations from these threads
I regret to inform you that someone was recommending this a little while back

[Anonymous No.23687608]

>>23685648
Nah Echopraxia is mid

[Anonymous No.23687610]

>>23687601
Welp, nobody is perfect. Anyway somebody recommended Death's Head by David Gunn and I endorse this 100%, this series is pretty fun.

[Anonymous No.23687616]

>>23684873
A lot of Horus Heresy novels don't follow that formula. The one formula that HH books follow is being bad. Read something that is not HH. Do be advised that 40k lit never goes above slop level. At best it's passable slop.

[Anonymous No.23687653]

>>23687616
>Do be advised that 40k lit never goes above slop level. At best it's passable slop.
Doesn't that apply to all tie-in fiction?

[Anonymous No.23687670]

>>23686838
There's some that get memed on for just disliking certain aspects of their writing like Aaron Dembski-Bowden, or Gav Thorpe who gets some hate because he hates certain factions yet still gets to write for the Eldar. Horus Heresy is uneven but Robert Raith is a rising star of the BL.

I personally dislike Graham McNeill because his prose is absolute literalist trash that can't convey anything more deep than a robotic description of exactly what each character is doing or thinking. However he delivers B-movie schlock and that has a lot of fans. Warhammer tops out at genre fiction that apes either a genre or specific works but placed into grimdark. Ciaphas Cain is just Flashman, Warhammer Crime is just noir, but its still fun.

[Anonymous No.23687676]

>>23687670
This.

[Anonymous No.23687695]

List of hugo awards winners. You did read all of them, right anon?

[Anonymous No.23687699]

List of hugo awards winners. You did read all of them, right anon?

[Anonymous No.23687701]

>>23687695
>Semiprozine
That's an antidepressant or something?

[Anonymous No.23687711]

>>23687699
At least two of the people on that list are literal pedophiles, btw

[Anonymous No.23687727]

>>23687711
Now you have my attention. Which ones?

[Anonymous No.23687745]

I need more grimdark gritty fantasy like Bakker.

[Anonymous No.23687783]

>>23687699
>women
hugo awards still sniffing their own farts

[Anonymous No.23687837]

Just finished the Gormenghast trilogy.
The whole thing felt extremely slow and meandered all over the place.
Entire pages could be dedicated to describing a single piece of architecture that a character walks past in five seconds and then never sees again.
Random castle kitchen assistants with no spoken lines have tangents where their entire family lineage is explained and are then forgotten about for the rest of the book.
Random shit happens in a way that makes me feel like the author wrote whatever shit popped into his head that day with zero plan for the overall story. So much shit is repeated and repeated and repeated and the plot moves at the speed of continental drift

I loved it.
The descriptions of people and places were so rich and lush. You can feel the atmosphere of the place and turns what is essentially a soap opera about a small cast of characters living in a fuckhuge castle megastructure into the book equivalent of a juicy glazed Christmas ham.
Can anybody recommend something similar? Something that hits the same vibes?

[Anonymous No.23687845]

>>23687711
Based

[Anonymous No.23687848]

>>23687837
Oh boy do I have a suggestion for you.

[Anonymous No.23687852]

>>23687670
Don't forget Dan Abnett's Sharpe fanfics

[Anonymous No.23687871]

>joe ambercrombie helped write the trashfire that was borderlands
what the fuck happened to that guy? He had a great first trilogy and pretty good stand alones, but then the quality jumped of the cliff with the 2nd trilogy

[Anonymous No.23687940]

Any SF recs for interesting humanoid aliens?

[Anonymous No.23687989]

>>23687699
Let me guess, that Last of Us award is for the gay episode?

[Anonymous No.23688032]

>>23684044
Age of Fire by E. E. Knight but stop reading after the fourth book. Everyone I talked to said the last two books are rushed garbage that ruin the story.

[Anonymous No.23688111]

>>23687871
well he's also screenwriter on his own adaptation of best served cold so maybe it was part of the deal to get that produced

[Anonymous No.23688371]

>>23687699
>women and jews
can't have nice things

[Anonymous No.23688538]

Does good romantasy exist? It it possible for good romantasy to exist?

[Anonymous No.23688543]

Just bought the Earthsea triloy what am I in for lads? I felt like the two previous Le Guin's I had read before had a little bit too much politics hidden in the subtext for my liking but this one sounds really good.

[Anonymous No.23688550]

>>23688538
It's a subgenre of romance rather than of fantasy, that's explicitly smut for young woman. It's possible that someone will like them, there's a few members of /sffg/ that are outliers who have liked them, but I think that definitionally that what you're asking for isn't possible.

[Anonymous No.23688558]

>>23687871
He got that feminist fever.

[Anonymous No.23688604]

>>23688538
The Curse of Chalion, Lord Foul's Bane

[Anonymous No.23688851]

>>23687871
I don't know who ''Joe Crombie'' is supposed to be, some say it's a pseudonym for Craig Mazin. If it's Abercrombie why would he use a pseudonym that's so similar to his real name. It's not like he's ever gone by that name before, or at least that I'm aware of.

[Anonymous No.23688903]

Any of y'all know Tanith Lee? I'm like 100 pages into The White Serpent now.

[Anonymous No.23688925]

>>23688538
>>23688550
The problem with romance stories is that you know going in that the characters will only get together once the story is over. The rest is just pure filler.
Sword Art Online did it better. It's a fantasy story where the lovers got together in the middle of the story. That was the main reason I started paying more attention to it.
Maybe the key to romantasy would be the ability to break the bonds of the romance genre?

[Anonymous No.23688986]

>>23688851
Maybe, maybe not. I wouldnt be surprised if joe was whoring himself out for his movie thats on hold.

[Anonymous No.23689065]

>>23688925
Here's an excerpt from Sword Art Online Chapter 16.5 of the original webnovel, not the revised light novel, which the author says isn't canon and everyone should forget about it.
>I could feel my hot sperm gushing deep into Asuna as she trembled in yet another climax. Two years worth of semen made a glopping noise as it flowed endlessly into Asuna. Every time my penis twitched, fireworks would go off in my head.

[Anonymous No.23689097]

>>23686273
I dislike you very much

[Anonymous No.23689150]

>>23687837
Gene Wolfe and Charles Dickens are the only authors who give me similar vibes, but no nothing really compares to Peake

[Anonymous No.23689424]

>>23688538
>Does good romantasy exist?
Real men don't read chick lit.

[Anonymous No.23689539]

>>23688925
>The problem with romance stories is that you know going in that the characters will only get together once the story is over
Not true at all. They have lots of fucking.>>23688538
>Does good romantasy exist?
No.
>It it possible for good romantasy to exist?
Anything can be good.

[Anonymous No.23689651]

any book that isn´t boring? i liked fire and blood from g.r.r martin
i found dune and lotr boring

[Anonymous No.23689669]

Is there anything like the wheel of time? Genuine question. I'd like lit's opinion on a good wheel of time like series. Thanks in advance.
>inb4 the wheel of time is bad
Cool thanks.

[Anonymous No.23689701]

>>23689669
Just read any other generic fantasy book and let an AI generate hundreds of pages of pointless travel/filler in between the good stuff.

[Anonymous No.23689913]

>>23689669
pick anything that started before 1980.

[Anonymous No.23689945]

>>23689669
If you want to read endless slop at least pick well written one e.g. Xanth

[Anonymous No.23690092]

>>23687699
That's grim. Even ignoring politics the only thing that had any real amount of work done on it was BG3. I guess it's just a sign of the times, but damn.

[Anonymous No.23690107]

>>23689701
Or just skip the middleman and read xianxia

[Anonymous No.23690136]

>>23684480
just watch Nyl2 videos

[Anonymous No.23690148]

>>23689669
yes, a lot of series copied wot, Runelords, Lord of the Isles, Green Rider, Sun Sword just to name a few.
>>23684601
>Every woman even from the start is batshit crazy.
My batshit insane hag waifu (and Moiraine too of course)

[Anonymous No.23690223]

how is Earthsea? can I just read the first one or do I pretty much need to read all of them? (You've got to read all of the LoTR; you only need to read the first Dune. Ok maybe Messiah to finish Paul's arc)

[Anonymous No.23690244]

>>23690223
The first 3 are solid, for the most part. Peaked with Tombs for me, but I read it at 24 after reading Wolfe instead of 14 like everything else. 4 does some things for some while dropping the ball for others. Stop there.

Approach the rest of her oeuvre at your leisure and peril, the style doesn't do it for me at all even when it's good. I may try her poetry instead.

[Anonymous No.23690279]

>>23690244
checked. and well - I'm 34 - so this'll be interesting. I've been reading so much hard sci-fi lately with interesting ideas but dead characters and I just need to do a 180, y'know?

[Anonymous No.23690281]

>>23690223
All good, stopping with the first book would be like just reading The Hobbit in that it's fairly standalone and more YA than the rest of the series.

[Anonymous No.23690290]

>>23688538
The Night Circus, This is How You Lose the Time War
(Unnatural Magic if you really must read something much closer to a typical romance and only really for the B plot)

[Anonymous No.23690292]

>>23690148
Thank you for actually making recommendations.

[Anonymous No.23690297]

>>23690279
You'll probably like the first two, I thought the folkloric register of the first one detracted from what would be gained through novelistic details, but it's still extremely fresh with the eastern philosophy and overall vibes of the setting. 5/7, not a waste of time. Good, even.

[Anonymous No.23690304]

>>23687699
I still like Saga but it's funny how it wins basically every year while being like 10 years past its cultural moment. The voters clearly aren't reading that much.
Probably also explains why the main awards have become so stale too. The anti-hugo campaign of ages ago was pretty stupid but they've become so insular in response, it's just the same authors who tour the con circuit every time they have a new book out now.
Could also be an issue of the votes coming from con members, the modern con audience just isn't reading anywhere near as widely as the ones from the early years of the awards.

[Anonymous No.23690310]

>>23687117
None of the french guys get translated even though they write bestsellers
It's weird that we've never gotten a Jaworski in english when pretty obscure stuff like Black Leviathan got a translation

[Anonymous No.23690366]

>Villain makes fun of the heroine for being a lesbian, correctly points out that she's a dead end who will never carry on the royal family's legacy
Why am I supposed to be on her side?

[Anonymous No.23690390]

>>23690366
Unless she's somehow jewish the royal line wouldn't pass down via a female child anyway

[Anonymous No.23690428]

>>23690390
I'm going to assume this is a statement about legal theory, not a randomly antisemitic jab. There are many earth cultures that would disagree with your statement and there's no reason to think any particular fantasy kingdom would follow absolute agnatic succession.

[Anonymous No.23690470]

>>23685937
I fucking love The Culture but the books are very hit or miss, it depends on you personally. Consider Phlebas was a slog at times but I ended up liking it. Keep them on backlog for when you have nothing else, you'll probably love a few.

[Anonymous No.23690490]

>>23690366
Lesbians can pass down the family line, but they'll lose their gold star.

[Anonymous No.23690622]

>>23685832
My nigga.

[Anonymous No.23690703]

>>23690366
Do people honestly still believe lesbianism is real?

[Anonymous No.23690712]

>>23690703
same people who think men can be women

[Anonymous No.23690825]

>>23690703
I'm not sure the author does. The princess' girlfriend betrays her for the villain and she kills both and later ends up with the MC. But they were also studying forbidden magic to have the power of ONE the power of TWO the power of MANY

[Anonymous No.23690854]

any word on when the hexologists book 2 is coming out?

[Anonymous No.23690868]

>>23690366
Name twelve books where this happens

[Anonymous No.23691024]

>>23690854
he died so never

[Anonymous No.23691065]

>>23690825
Sounds like some ya slop

[Anonymous No.23691071]

>>23688538
Sharing Knife series has romance with a real fantasy story. Nothing hard hitting but enjoyable. I have only read the first two.

[Anonymous No.23691094]

I admittedly haven't read as much fantasy as I'd like to, so there may be an example of this in a book somewhere, but in your personal opinion, is it possible to have a High Fantasy world, where magic is commonplace, but difficult enough to master that you can still have men and women who rely purely on martial prowess be effective in the story, yet also not have the magic be to convoluted to make its practice impractical and redundant?
>tl;dr can a fantasy story have magic and swords in equal measure, without one overshadowing the other?

[Anonymous No.23691156]

>>23691094
You can take care of that with world building. Race 'A' has a natural resistance to magic or there are artifacts left over from some ancient civilization that can dispel it, and so on and so forth.

[Anonymous No.23691175]

>>23691094
Well yes, the obvious answer is to make the magic focused on small conveniences. Conjuring light, telepathy, weak telekinesis.

[Anonymous No.23691176]

>>23691156
I agree, and to springboard off of this answer, I feel like a way to avoid convulsions in this idea is that the race with the natural resistance should be just that, specifically resistant to the magic, not immune, so that a caster of high enough power or a group of weaker casters aren't immediately outmatched by one random from the race, meanwhile the artifacts that can dispel magic should be few and far between
it's a balancing act of ensuring no one has an end-all-be-all trump card to any given situation but if a character moves a situation to their advantage, they can come out on top

[Anonymous No.23691193]

>>23691094
>men who rely purely on martial prowess be effective in the story
Unrealistic in a high magic setting. Every single reason that they are effective requires a limitation of magic. Stacking enough to make it happen turns it into a low magic setting. Best case scenario, it's a technological limitation - wizards simply aren't advanced yet to outmode fighter types entirely at this point in time, but if they develop enough they will.

If you give a fighter a magic sword or magic strength augmentation then they're just a swordwizard of some kind, stop pretending they're not relying on magic to pull off superhuman deeds. At least xianxia shit is honest about this and just calls everyone relevant a cultivator. A wizard could cultivate his body magic to cast really powerful FIST spells.

[Anonymous No.23691255]

>>23683962
I got a copy off zlibrary a couple days ago.

The Mercy of Gods - James S.A. Corey

Really disappointing read. Reads like a shitty litrpg imitation of the expanse with zero interesting characters or ideas. Half the book is shitty internal monologue of random characters ‘processing their trauma’ which was the worst part of the expanse (think of the worst naomi chapters ad nauseum), plus some shitty cryptic stream-of-consciousness from the new protomolecule stand-in (which is so unoriginal that many people are guessing this is a stealth sequel/prequel to the expanse). The rest of the book is the totally threadbare litrpg plot, some pointless and forced sexual intrigue, plus some of that ‘competency porn’ style bullshit from the new male lead (ala Andy Weir), but he’s not even competent, actually just mildly intuitive when every other character is dumb as rocks. There’s also absolutely zero attempt to actually write an ending, this is clearly meant to just be part 1 of a new series with zero consideration of it actually working as a self-contained book.

3/10, won’t be reading the sequel, even though I loved the expanse.

[Anonymous No.23691276]

>>23691255
Show one page

[Anonymous No.23691289]

>>23683962
>>23691276
https://singlelogin.re/book/29374801/8edf62/the-mercy-of-gods.html

But you must have a free acount there to download.

[Anonymous No.23691305]

This post was from a thread on /k/ that just got nooked, so I'm sharing it with you guys as this sounds like a cool as fuck premise for a story

[Anonymous No.23691310]

>>23691305
That's just Roadside Paradise and Soviet era fiction in general.

[Anonymous No.23691324]

>>23691276

As in, show a page to show that I have a copy? Or show a page to show that it's crap?

Spoilers attached obviously

[Anonymous No.23691368]

>>23691324
I wanted to know how crap it was. I think it's worse than what I had imagined.

[Anonymous No.23691373]

>>23691255
pretty much exactly how i felt ( >>23684300 )
dafyd's only quality is that he is the sole character who doesn't spend the entire series crying or being retarded which is a pretty shitty way to write a protagonist. the protomemecule still wanting to fuck him after swapping bodies was truly bizarre and stinks of tv show nonsense
>people are guessing this is a stealth sequel/prequel to the expanse
i think it's absolutely an expanse sequel, there's a line about genetic similarities between the fivefold enemy and the captured anjinn humans and anjinn is obviously one of the planets cut off at the end of the expanse
i'll probably read the sequel the same way i eventually read this one, skipping all the gay interpersonal drama scenes because they literally added nothing

[Anonymous No.23691547]

>>23691024
>bite this bait like a retard
>check his website
>somehow missed that the Babel short story collection FINALLY came out (october last year, 1 month after Hexologists)
lol, thanks bro

have my next read now

[Anonymous No.23691572]

Read Tenebroum

[Anonymous No.23691744]

>>23691572
buy an ad

[Anonymous No.23691770]

>>23691572
it's bad

[Anonymous No.23691803]

>>23690136
>http://www.chakatsden.com/chakat/
New one out?

[Anonymous No.23691957]

Hey you know those novellas Scott Lynch has said he's going to publish any day now for years?
They're actually happening for real!

https://scottlynch.us/updates.html

Also a new short story.

>Grimdark Magazine is celebrating ten years of phantasmagorical grit, and I was invited to be a contributor for the anniversary issue in October. After a bit of discussion, we decided to seize the opportunity to do something really special.
>I'm delighted to report that "Locke Lamora and the Bottled Serpent" will be a two-part extravaganza bridging the October 2024 and January 2025 issues of GDM.
>In this tale from Locke's teenage years, our nervous, hormonal, romantically-confused hero spends a few months working as a bar-back in one of Camorr's most brutal Right People taverns. This is one of Father Chains' endless series of training and personal enrichment schemes; as per usual, it's full of fuckery, and as per usual, Locke is expected to work it all out himself. His only real ally of the moment is the aging mercenary Mazoc Saba, a man addicted to risking his own life in a gambling spectacle involving poisoned wine.
>As Locke's troubles boil over, so do Mazoc Saba's debts, and when you publicly flaunt your obligations to the one and only Capa Barsavi, Barsavi reaches out to publicly remind you of them...

[Anonymous No.23691993]

[Anonymous No.23692100]

>>23689669
I always forget how fucking tiny Moiraine was.

[Anonymous No.23692211]

Just finished the thousandfold thought, very anticlimactic and I’m now realising the entire trilogy is a prologue. How good is Aspect-Emperor? Does our beloved faggot weeper make a return?

[Anonymous No.23692222]

>>23685405
>>23684480
>>23685724
This suggestion was so on the nose with that anon's request that I'm convinced he's the author and made all of these posts. Anyway, it's hot

[Anonymous No.23692241]

>>23689669
just read main dragonlance story, its comfy as fuck
or if you hadnt already - Tad Williams anything

[Anonymous No.23692259]

>>23671251
Shallan is passable female character in the first two books, but the moment her personality spilts in 3rd and 4th she becomes non-character. Which makes sense in-universe but comletely boring to read about.
Thats the problem for Kaladin as well. He is solid character concept, but mentall illness coming back again and again and again while being realistic, actively undermines the reading experience.
Making characters flawed in terms of mental health was interesting concept in theory but compeltely fucked up the characters in practice.

[Anonymous No.23692444]

>>23692222
Gotta advertise somehow I guess. The fantasy web novel space is absolutely crammed with content, most of it bad. Is this one any good?

[Anonymous No.23692480]

I believe someone here may be interested in this.
There's a daily thread for the manga adaptation of The Saga of Darren Shan on /a/
>>>/a/269829378

[Anonymous No.23692871]

>>23692444
If you like futa smut and webnovels then it's perfectly readable so far

[Anonymous No.23692893]

>>23685724
gay

[Anonymous No.23692960]

>>23692444
Came for the smut, stayed for the comfy dnd adventuring and clever action scenes.

[Anonymous No.23693402]

Picrel was surprisingly enjoyable as a trilogy. It invoked "modern nerd references" just the right amount, and the core concept was peak semi-hard - or "chode" - sci-fi. Author manages to deal with his inability to write characters with noticeably different voices by openly writing the same character slightly altered, and the pacing and plot structure were engaging.

It was the equivalent of Five Guys, but I went in expecting McDonald's and was pleasantly surprised. It wasn't even really R*ddit once you got past the first 50 pages or so, where there's a particularly r/atheism plot point that is quickly jettisoned and forgotten without being overly important.

It's no Gene Wolfe or GGK, but sometimes you want fast food, and this provided me a fun pallete cleanser between heavier stuff. Also, I think the first was self-published, which is always cool to see succeed.

[Anonymous No.23693409]

>>23692444
Practical Guide to Evil remains the (still quite low) high water mark for web novels. Though it's entirely too long.

[Anonymous No.23693479]

>>23692211
felt the same way. Yes it is awesome

[Anonymous No.23693509]

>Writes fanfiction about fucking his boss.
>She reads it and actually falls in live with him.
How did he do it? Recommend some villainess romance kino too.

[Anonymous No.23693770]

You can only read YA slop and children books before you are consumed by the One Piece pipeline. Stop now, or you will be posting on /a/ in a few years.

[Anonymous No.23693780]

You can only read so much YA slop and children's books before you are sucked into the One Piece pipeline, and from there, /a/.
Bon Appétit.

[Anonymous No.23693796]

>>23693509
Its been a while since I read the books, but I'm pretty sure he didn't write fuck fiction about The Lady. I'm pretty sure it was probably poetry and/or fanciful descriptions of her beauty. She didn't fall for him because of that, though I'm sure it helped. She fell for him because she read his mind and liked what she saw.

[Anonymous No.23693797]

>>23684480
Kek I have a futa mc, but the mc is dumb, it's isekai and there is a bit too much slice of life for my taste.
Here you go https://www.scribblehub.com/series/580870/this-ascent-to-divinity-is-lewder-than-expected/

What ruins it for me is the horrible furry character and harem. Sure you can go to town and fuck anyone, but don't have them join.

[Anonymous No.23693802]

>>>23684553 >>23684558 >>23684828 >>23685228 >>23685724 >>23686261 >>23686379 >>23690136 >>23692222
All you faggots replied but not a single one of you answered the question. Kill yourselves, *4828 kill yourself for being a furfag.

[Anonymous No.23693805]

>>23693780
onepiece is just xianxia done dirty, mixed with degenerate western ideals and marxism. you should not waste your time fighting the government, you should become the strongest being on the planet and make the government submit to you with a casual wave of your palm

[Anonymous No.23693808]

>been half a year since I started reading Wheel of Time
>just barely made it to book 7/14 (not counting the still unread New Spring)
fucking hell, this is never going to end

[Anonymous No.23693816]

Is The Sword of Kaigen a xianxia?

[Anonymous No.23693819]

>>23693816
nononono lol no

[Anonymous No.23693825]

What are the great xianxia works that hold up outside of the genre?

[Anonymous No.23693836]

>>23693808
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJtFXTIEwYQ

[Anonymous No.23693842]

>>23693808
Why the fuck are you so slow? I read cd, issth, womw, martial peak, and caught up to atg in the less time, while going to school and having a full time job

[Anonymous No.23693851]

>>23693842
I have other interests than reading and I feel like I forget a lot of stuff if I read too much at once and it's pretty exhausting too.
Plus I'm not doing it in my native language.

[Anonymous No.23693862]

>>23693851
>exhausting
Reading vitalizes my soul, wtf is your wrong with you? Soulless NPC or is the wheel of time pure slop? Cause even xianxia slop is vitalizing.
>can't remember
Your soul and body remembers, which is what's important. Having useless info flooding your conscious mind is a waste of brainpower, unless you are a critic.

[Anonymous No.23693870]

Thoughts on slice of life isekai fantasy?
Why dey draw lil crissy like that though? she-he's gonna get it ongod

[Anonymous No.23693879]

>>23693836
Saved.
I feel like I missed something by not reading this series while I was younger. I would definitely go around larping as an Asha'man in my teens kek. Black coats, swords, OP magic and schizo voices, what more do you need?

[Anonymous No.23693940]

>>23693879
Kinda feel the same, I got to book 2 and my main thought was just "I really should've read this when I was 13"

[Anonymous No.23693988]

Are there any books like Gor but actually good? Macho men, sexy women, etc?

[Anonymous No.23693995]

>>23693988
No

[Anonymous No.23693998]

>>23693995
):

[Anonymous No.23694015]

>>23693988
Why would someone burn their life energy to create art that is just a specific smut fetish?
And even if they DID why wouldn't they draw manga or direct porn.

[Anonymous No.23694018]

>>23693802
troon out alreayd fag

[Anonymous No.23694023]

>>23694018
gender is not real, hence trooning is unnecessary.

[Anonymous No.23694031]

>>23694015
All art is fetishistic. Dostoyevsky was a masochist who loved feet, Lewis Carroll was a pedophile, Kierkegaard was a hardcore masochist, etc.

[Anonymous No.23694035]

>>23694031
not if you use a reasonable definition of the word fetish

[Anonymous No.23694047]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Y3nmgJCzU
New cultivation System just dropped

[Anonymous No.23694070]

>>23694031
>millennials actually believe this

[Anonymous No.23694080]

>>23694070
>All x is y
Is the favorite meme/trope of the always online psuedointellegencia

[Anonymous No.23694092]

>>23694031
I thought you were gonna say because it's all comeditized, but you mean literal fetish? What? Also Carroll was not a pedophile you tard, his family destroyed the letters of him talking with women to try and improve his image as a children's author.

[Anonymous No.23694232]

>>23694080
ESL jumped out

[Anonymous No.23694243]

Alright, I've seen enough love for Jack Vance that I want to scope something of his. Is the Lyonese books a good place to start? If so, how are the spatterlight press releases?

[Anonymous No.23694257]

>>23693802
The consensus is that the story mentioned in this post
>>23685405
>https://www.scribblehub.com/series/1084494/kono-drow-exile/
fit the bill quite nicely.

[Anonymous No.23694278]

>>23694243
it's basically his best stuff. I would start with dying earth

[Anonymous No.23694290]

>>23694257
I forgot about the clever protagonist tag, so yeah scribblehub
https://www.scribblehub.com/series-finder/?sf=1&gi=8&mgi=and&ge=914&tgi=254,414&mtgi=and&tge=422,699,706,842&sort=pageviews&order=desc
adventure, -slice of life, clever protagonist, futanari, no another world,

[Anonymous No.23694291]

>Try Jack Vance's Dying Earth on a whim
>Every scene is described in so much poetic detail that my imagination just goes numb

Is there such thing as too much prose?

[Anonymous No.23694323]

>>23694291
>reddit spacing
I don't think the prose is the problem here.

[Anonymous No.23694342]

>>23694291
>poetic detail

>prose

Is it poetry or prose

,

make up (you)r mind

(you)

schizo fuckwit
(edited for readability)

[Anonymous No.23694345]

>>23694291
This might actually help me kickstart my imagination a bit. I've taken such a long break from reading that I find it difficult to get truly immersed while reading.

[Anonymous No.23694350]

>>23694342
aspiring midwits have been using prose to mean nice writing on this board for like a decade now, leave them be

[Anonymous No.23694351]

>>23694291
Reads like a bunch of random magical whimsy. I despise this kind of magic where anything and everything can happen and does happen to the point where it has no weight.

[Anonymous No.23694355]

>>23694092
>Carroll was not a pedophile you tard
He took pictures of naked little girls as a hobby

[Anonymous No.23694359]

>>23694291
might be brainrot from all the slop you've read

[Anonymous No.23694368]

>>23694355
He was a photographer in between being a logician and it was it's job, people hired him to do that.

[Anonymous No.23694369]

>>23693780
Joke's on you, I started with One Piece and worked my way up to Homer!

[Anonymous No.23694378]

>>23694369
That is a steep decline dude.
One piece morals : anti colonilsm, anti fashions, anti slavery, anti gender I could go on.
Homer morals: hero myth, fate decides your destiny, women are the property of men, kill anyone who wrongs you, pro slavery, glory in war, pro incest, dehumanizing others. I could go on

[Anonymous No.23694385]

anti colonialism, anti fascist*

[Anonymous No.23694398]

>>23694378
>steep decline
You mean an incline? Rising up from Marxist subversion to true virtue?

[Anonymous No.23694403]

>>23694291
>Every scene is described in so much poetic detail that my imagination just goes numb
I will now read your book.

[Anonymous No.23694458]

>>23693870
Slice of life just means bad pacing.

[Anonymous No.23694459]

>>23694458
>>23694080

[Anonymous No.23694629]

He will never finish his series because his goal was never really to write a good story. What he really wanted was to become a public philosopher and a new literary icon. Everything about him screams that he is a pretentious narcissist, from his seething rage at those who sincerely mistake his work for children's literature to his mental breakdowns in the face of the slightest criticism of his philosophical views. As soon as he realized he was never going to be the next Daniel Dennett or Cormac McCarthy, he ditched Second Apocalypse to save face. Sure, he could set up a Patreon and self-publish his books now that his relationship with his publisher has completely disintegrated, but that would be completely below what his deluded mind thinks he deserves.

[Anonymous No.23694644]

>>23694629
I wish bakker would ditch the philosophy stuff, because I feel like he's actually pretty good at writing stories without it. I quite liked Cil-Aujas or however you spell it and the part where they fight the ancient dragon, it would be nice if he just wrote more things like that.

[Anonymous No.23694646]

>>23694629
I want to ruffle his hair and tell him he did great, kids need more adventure stories in these trying times.

[Anonymous No.23694781]

>>23690366
>>23690490
>He doesn't know about futa magic and science babies
ngmi

[Anonymous No.23694785]

>>23689424
The ones with girlfriends and wives do.
Let it never be said that being a man is easy.

[Anonymous No.23694870]

>>23693780
Makes sense if all you know about books are Harry Potter and Brandon Sanderson. How can that compare to GODa?
One Piece actually outsold Harry Potter of you if can believe it. Past 500M in 2022 and has over 3B copies if you include every jump it was printed in.
One Piece: pro trans
Harry Potter: anti trans
Trannies win again しししし

[Anonymous No.23694873]

>>23694785
>The ones with girlfriends and wives do.
If you are reading their "romantasy" slop willingly, you are no better than their gay best friend.

[Anonymous No.23694876]

>>23694870
It's a fucking children's cartoon vs a children's book. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.23694882]

>>23693825
Intrepid Blade’s Path in the Snow, aka Sword Snow Stride, is considered a literary classic of the webnovel era. Can't tell for sure if any of the translations hold up, though. It definitely uses a more poetic language, closer to the wuxia novels of old.

[Anonymous No.23694936]

>>23693825
Also, if you are willing to read about modern graverobbing adventures (treasure-hunting while hunted by monsters), Candle in the Tomb blows everything else out of the water, while The Graver Robbers' Chronicles is a easier read with a similarly imaginative approach.

[Anonymous No.23694940]

>>23683789
Yes, it gets into their society, magic, and biology towards the end of the series.

[Anonymous No.23694944]

>>23694870
Harry Potter concluded not last decade but the decade before that.

[Anonymous No.23694947]

>>23694876
Based growuper

[Anonymous No.23694952]

>>23694944
And One Piece was pro-trans then too. While JKR had to posthumously edit it the gay via twitter. There have definitely been harry potter books published since the main series concluded

Quidditch Through the Ages
The Tales of Beedle the Bard
Hogwarts: An Incomplete and Unreliable Guide
Short Stories from Hogwarts series
Fantastic Beasts Series

[Anonymous No.23694979]

>have a decent on-topic thread
>bakker criticised
>suddenly bait posts trying to start shit
hmmm

[Anonymous No.23694999]

>>23694873
Only the strongest of men can withstand the greatest of trials.

[Anonymous No.23695059]

>>23694979
>suddenly bait posts trying to start shit
Like the one you just made?

[Anonymous No.23695145]

>>23694291
If that's what you like about Vance, then you should try Gormenghast.

[Anonymous No.23695198]

>>23694629
COPE
BAKKER SURPASSED TOLKIEN
>Then the madness fell away. Once again it was the pure thunder of the charge. The strange camaraderie of men bent to a single, fatal purpose. Hummocks, scrub, and the bones of the Vulgar Holy War’s dead rushed beneath. The wind bled through chain links, tousled Thunyeri braids and Tydonni crests. Bright banners slapped against the sky. The heathen, wicked and foul, drew closer, ever closer. One last storm of arrows, these ones almost horizontal to the ground, punching against shield and armour. Some were struck from their saddles. Tongue tips were bitten off in the concussion of the fall. The unhorsed arched across the turf, screamed and swatted at the sky. Wounded mounts danced in frothing circles nearby. The rest thundered on, over grasses, through patches of blooming milkwort waving in the wind. They couched their lances, twenty thousand men draped in great mail hauberks over thick felt, with coifs across their faces and helms that swept down to their cheeks, riding chargers caparisoned in mail or iron plates. The fear dissolved into drunken speed, into the momentum, became so mingled with exhilaration as to be indistinguishable from it. They were addicted to the charge, the Men of the Tusk. Everything focused into the glittering tip of a lance. The target nearer, nearer … The rumble of hooves and drums drowned their kinsmen’s song. They crashed through a thin screen of sumac … Saw eyes whiten in sudden terror. Then impact. The jarring splinter of wood as lances speared through shield, through armour. Suddenly the ground became still and solid beneath them, and the air rang with wails and shouts. Hands drew sword and axe. Everywhere figures grappled and hacked. Horses reared. Blades pitched blood into the sky. And the Kianene fell, undone by their ferocity, crumpling beneath northern hands, dying beneath pale faces and merciless blue eyes. The heathen recoiled from the slaughter—and fled.
KINO

[Anonymous No.23695233]

Give me books with insane, power-hungry women; ideally, they should be cruel.

[Anonymous No.23695254]

>>23695233
The Mirror Empire - Kameron Hurley

[Anonymous No.23695297]

>>23683292
I'm beginning to think the Eye of Argon isn't that well structure.
Like the first chapter is only 500 words, and first paragraph is 100 words of purple prose that essentially only establishes that the story takes place in Norgolian Empire. What else am I supposed to take away from this:

>The weather beaten trail wound ahead into the dust racked climes of the baren land which dominates large portions of the Norgolian empire. Age worn hoof prints smothered by the sifting sands of time shone dully against the dust splattered crust of earth. The tireless sun cast its parching rays of incandescense from overhead, half way through its daily revolution. Small rodents scampered about, occupying themselves in the daily accomplishments of their dismal lives. Dust sprayed over three heaving mounts in blinding clouds, while they bore the burdonsome cargoes of their struggling overseers.

Then again, GRRM writes even lengthier purple prose about food and people defend it.

[Anonymous No.23695349]

>>23695297
it's literally famous for being badly written

[Anonymous No.23695373]

holy SHIT the DCC uploader for kemono is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

[Anonymous No.23695388]

>>23695373
I think like 80% of the kemono uploads for webnovels/novel patreons come from one person and they randomly don't do it some times.
I'm following about 6 stories on and off and they all stop getting uploads at the same time and it doesn't look like its outages from kemono causing it.

[Anonymous No.23695420]

>>23695388
nta
That seems likely. In my experience people tend to greatly overestimate how many people are involved. There's also a very strong correlation between between criticism and entitlement.

[Anonymous No.23695426]

>>23695388
Maybe so. This is all I follow. The updates are sporadic. Sometimes new chapters will be uploaded within a day; sometimes it takes several days or over a week.

[Anonymous No.23695467]

>>23690223
Generic shit like all LeGuin stories.
Only gets shilled heavily because of the libshit twist of "the medieval fantasy was actually brown people all along!" that made her convention buddies cream themselves back in the late 60s when they were still busy pimping actual children to each other.
And if you still feel like reading them i'll point out that the fourth book in the series is her shitting all over the previous ones because she realized she didn't only hate white men but brown ones as well.

[Anonymous No.23695504]

Here is a premise I came up with the other day for a science fiction story.

In the near future, a french billionaire purchases a rocket. He has cancer and has decided to immortalize himself as the first person to die on a celestial body other than earth. He masks the mission as a joyride around the moon, but changes the coordinates for a direct impact with the sea of tranquility, and he succeeds.

Several things happen as consequence.

Immediately after the crash, a retro-futuristic alien spaceship appears orbiting the moon.

CERN scientist and similar research bodies are utterly baffled as the data suddenly indicates fundamental physics have changed radically without impacting the macroscopic world.

Deep Space imagery taken before and after the moon crash now show clear indicators of intelligent life across the galaxy.


Humanity is now faced with proof that the universe is an anthropocentric simulation. Off-world human death was the trigger for the next stage, but it was planned to happen much earlier in our technological development. Due to sheer happenstance we avoided the trigger for nearly a century and now the simulation is struggling to bridge the scrip.

[Anonymous No.23695507]

Can I post my own fantasy story here?

[Anonymous No.23695514]

>>23694870
>>23694952
>one piece
>pro trans
Has sanji who can't hit a woman openly fight and stomp out tranny island they/thems.
so based. He knows that they will never be real women.

[Anonymous No.23695519]

>>23695504
>>23695507
>>>/lit/wg/

[Anonymous No.23695520]

>>23695233
Wheel of Time.

[Anonymous No.23695628]

>>23695514
>who can't hit a woman
They aren't women, in one piece the newkama are gender nonconforming and ivankov can essentially change their body to look like whatever.
Sanji intuits this in less than a panel and decides that he can hit them.
And even if they were women, of course a chivalric code would be tied to a traditional notion of woman, that doesn't surprise anyone.

[Anonymous No.23695630]

>>23695504
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents
Your premise is factually incorrect. Based on the level of your research, you shouldn't call it science fiction.

[Anonymous No.23695638]

>>23695504
Reddit-spreading taking up too much space on my screen.

[Anonymous No.23695654]

>>23695373
Why would you read it chapter by chapter instead of waiting for the whole thing?

[Anonymous No.23695657]

>>23695630
People have died in space, yes
No one has died on another celestial body

[Anonymous No.23695661]

>>23695654
Because he's retarded? Is that even a serious question? Don't answer that, unless you are black?

[Anonymous No.23695667]

Arlong Park IS FIGURATIVELY Israel

[Anonymous No.23695674]

>>23695628
yes, we agree. They are not women

[Anonymous No.23695679]

>>23695674
They aren't firefighters, software engineers nor train conductors. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.23695682]

>>23695654
It's the only ongoing story I follow locked behind a patreon that I have any deep-rooted gripping interest in knowing what happens. There are/will be retcons and edits in the final copy either way.

[Anonymous No.23695688]

>>23695682
>I have any deep-rooted gripping interest in knowing what happens
>patreon slop
Your life is very sad. Don't kill yourself. Suffer.

[Anonymous No.23695692]

>>23695638
Listen here you little shit.

I've been writing this way decades before Reddit even existed.

And I'm not going to change because some chucklefuck on a Mongolian throat singing newsgroup thinks it's some sort of shame badge

[Anonymous No.23695711]

>>23695688
>slop
Why do newfags always immediately launch into sociopathic death fantasies?

[Anonymous No.23695722]

>>23695692
I'm glad you googled "oldest forum" and think you know shit. I've only ever heard newfags echo the "asian shithole ・ hobby" meme.
If you actually used usenet you would know that the "posts" are just emails and formatting depends on ones newreader, usually just a pager and a single image, hence not competing for screen space with other posts.

[Anonymous No.23695739]

>>23695657
>Off-world human death was the trigger
Also, that's idiocy and very indicative of how lazy you'll be with your writing.

[Anonymous No.23695747]

>>23695722
>image
email*

[Anonymous No.23695755]

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[Anonymous No.23695761]

>>23695739
I actually specifically chose a moon crash landing because I knew there have been deaths in orbit. You can be pedantic on what "off-world" is supposed to mean if you want.

[Anonymous No.23695764]

>>23695679
I don't even understand you're point now listing those careers

[Anonymous No.23695769]

>>23695739
>that's idiocy and very indicative of how lazy you'll be with your writing.
How so?

[Anonymous No.23695776]

>>23695764
I was listing social roles.

[Anonymous No.23695796]

>>23687699
I read Tesh's novel, and it was in no way deserving of the award. The prose style is purely mediocre, verging on terrible when she tries to describe action. Genuinely embarrassing that this won -- but at least she's not Scalzi!

[Anonymous No.23695862]

>>23695796
You embarrass yourself by stating quality has anything to do with it.

[Anonymous No.23695916]

>>23694882
The show was good

[Anonymous No.23696036]

>>23683292
Do fantasy readers generally prefer their fantasy maps to be satellite-like or illustrative?

[Anonymous No.23696098]

>>23696036
I never look at maps.

[Anonymous No.23696122]

>>23696036
Satellite Maps are cool but I prefer Illustrative Maps

[Anonymous No.23696129]

>>23696036
Illustrative in books, I actually want to know where borders and things are.

[Anonymous No.23696175]

Why is the Realm of the Elderlings series so highly praised? I just finished the first book and it was a slog to get through. I thought it was going to be ASOIAF-lite but the characters all feel fake. When they talk it’s like I can hear the author talking through them. Then I went back to reading Harry Turteldove and his autism makes everyone feel so real, even the aliens. I’m worried it may be unconscious misogyny not giving the female author a fair chance.
Back to Assassin’s Apprentice, the world building also felt very generic. Unlike GRRM where the characters all have long lineages and rich family history, the deepest it goes in AA is
>X’s dad was from the royal race, Y’s mom was a forest woman, Z’s mom was a wild woman, theta’s dad was from the pirate race, etc
The “assassinations” didn’t feel particularly clever either. The author tries to make it seem like 4d chess is being played but it doesn’t read that way. The magic system is also boring and the main character is a beta who gets mindbroken by his instructor.
I’m going to give Royal Assassin a try as soon as I finish Turtledove’s Worldwar series.

[Anonymous No.23696230]

>>23696036
>Soulless
>Soul

[Anonymous No.23696334]

>>23696036
I don't give a shit about maps. I would much rather the writer not be so incompetent they cannot describe their world in an interesting way and without exposition dumps.

[Anonymous No.23696462]

>>23696175
>main character is a beta who gets mindbroken by his instructor.
he's a literal child what did you expect?

[Anonymous No.23696521]

>>23696175
>When they talk it’s like I can hear the author talking through them.
So, it's "As you know, Bob"-type dialogue?

[Anonymous No.23696558]

>>23683937
I agree. Having a bunch of different POVs is often a red flag. Having such a wide scope without any central emotional conflict makes it much harder to stay invested, I think I dropped Malazan and Bakker's book series several times before finishing the first book. The Witcher series is somewhat pulpy but its condensed story makes it way more readable and enjoyable than 90% of the books that get recommended here.

[Anonymous No.23696715]

>>23696558
how many is too many POVS?

[Anonymous No.23696739]

>>23696558
>The Witcher series is somewhat pulpy but its condensed story makes it way more readable and enjoyable than 90% of the books that get recommended here.
lmfao

[Anonymous No.23696763]

>>23696715
It depends on the story but I usually prefer having a clearly defined main character and reading their thoughts. There are only a few exceptions where having a massive cast doesn't bog down the pace.
>>23696739
I really enjoyed the entire series. I don't understand the hate for Sapkowki.

[Anonymous No.23696783]

>>23696782
>>23696782
>>23696782
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