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2368110 No.2368110 [Reply] [Original]

When does a book or a film go from being just entertainment to being art?

>> No.2368118

When you feel like being a pretentious twat and call it art because it makes you look more cultured.

>> No.2368127

When there's meaning behind it that contributes to the profundity of existence

>> No.2368129

>>2368118

This is really it

>>2368127

Meaning is subjective.

>> No.2368132

>>2368129
Did I say that the meaning was universal? Is a person pretentious for deeming something without meaning? Isn't that subjective? Seems you are using a double standard.

>> No.2368154

>>2368129
Your opinion of subjectivity is subjective.

>> No.2368157

It's all art

>> No.2368158

>>2368129

>meaning is subjective

Fuck your western nihilism. If I write something, it means what I say it does. None of that "death of the author" bullshit. That's what led us down this dark, narcissistic path and into this pseudo-modernist hell of terrible pandering "art".

Anyway OP, anything that makes a political or philosophical statement that's applicable to the real world is "art".

>> No.2368159

>>2368158

I basically agree with this guy.

However, I'd say that the investigation of aesthetics, striving for "beauty", defines art to a greater extent than sociopolitical commentary.

>> No.2368163

>>2368159
Beauty is a sociopolitical concept.

>> No.2368171

>>2368163

Well, I can agree that aesthetics is a study found within philosophy.

I'd point to the enduring beauty of Byzantinian art outliving its sociopolitical origins in arguing against beauty as being political.