/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.23671074]

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Previous Thread: >>23661468

[Anonymous No.23671094]

>>23671074
So how did Chinese authors """suddenly""" get such presence in the genre scene?

[Anonymous No.23671101]

>>23671094
>I can fix her

[Anonymous No.23671104]

>>23670678
You're reading web novels.

[Anonymous No.23671143]

>>23671094
They're considered part of the BIPOC umbrella, so the (((publishers))) pushed them, especially women, in an effort to appear "on the right side".

[Anonymous No.23671185]

>slowly going insane due to taint
>schizo lews therin rent free in his head
>Alanna's warder bond presence
>all the forsaken
>8 quadrilion prophecies expecting greatness of him
>aiel jetoh nonsense
>playing game of houses constantly
>can't afford to have a lover
>fate of the world on his shoulders
The most unrealistic part of the Wheel of Time is that Rand didn't an hero somewhere between book 2 and 3.

[Anonymous No.23671196]

>>23671074
This was a great book. Can't believe it took this long for me to read it. I feel bad for Skafloc and Valgard. Fuck elves especially their women. Shout out to the anon who recommended Anderson to me a thread or two ago.

[Anonymous No.23671203]

>>23670217
well my experience is quite different, I only 4+ star reviews on unreadable stories, rarely 3 stars
2 stars or less only on dead stories where the author no longer bothers to cheat

seems like they overcorrected if artificially low scores ever were an issue at all (I've only been using the site for three years)

meanwhile, even masterpieces have plenty of 1 star reviews on goodreads

[Anonymous No.23671216]

>>23671074
I love the premise here
>two retarded teenagers get superpowers by trying to kill themselves aka going ssj
I'm about a third of the way in, super entertaining thus far.

[Anonymous No.23671251]

First for my love!

[Anonymous No.23671537]

>>23671185
>The most unrealistic part of the Wheel of Time is that Rand didn't an hero somewhere between book 2 and 3
I totally get why Lews Therin an heroed a whole mountain on top of himself. His arc into insanity is pretty good, tho.

[Anonymous No.23671542]

>>23671251
Shallan is one of the worst female characters in fantasy

[Anonymous No.23671553]

>>23671196
I felt so bad for Valgard. Anderson did a really good job getting into his head and showing a glimpse of regrets and loneliness.

[Anonymous No.23671558]

>>23671251
is this bait

[Anonymous No.23671665]

>>23671553
It's impressive writing that he doesn't really get sympathetic until after he's already killed most of his "family". He rages himself into more trouble, but the existential terror of learning that you're just a faulty copy of a man is some heavy shit to deal with. Leea was the truly unsympathetic one. This book had some pretty epic action too. Skafloc and Mananaan's adventure in Jotunheim is some of the best fantasy I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.23671712]

>>23671665
Yes, exactly. I also found it really interesting how Skafloc ends up looking more inhuman due to his nearly full elf mindset.

[Anonymous No.23672000]

>>23671196
I love Broken Sword also, but any of you guys know good fantasy that is similar to it where it's set in an actual real life historical period but portrayed as forgotten myth and legend? also that scene in Excalibur where Merlin talks about 'the one god seeks to drive out the many gods' blew my mind as a kid and I want something like that where it's like history and fantasy intersect.

[Anonymous No.23672115]

>>23672000

Shin Megami Tensei?

[Anonymous No.23672120]

>>23671185

Didn't Rand have a minor mental breakdown when he wondered off and tried going on his own? I see a lot of Frodo in Rand's DNA like how they both have to bear the brunt of carrying burdens of being ring bearer or the dragon and dealing with responsbility of what the task demands.

Personally I think Black Ajah doesn't make any sense and would've been better had they not been included and Jordan just made a couple corrupt Ajah hiding among them like it ruins my immersion knowing there's this group of powerful magical women trained in channeling but let's place all obviously evil mustache twirlers into one house

[Anonymous No.23672178]

>>23671196
Anderson's underrated. I don't think his work gets reprinted much outside of the Gollancz/Orion SF/F Masterworks series. I know he shows up in one Library of America Anthology, in the reprints for the SF Hall of Fame/Dangerous Visions anthologies, and maybe some American reprints of Tau Zero and a few other works. A lot of his work's on ebook stores.

Broken Sword, sadly, has not had a proper hardcover run since the 50s iirc. I've been meaning to read more Anderson but all I've finished are The High Crusade and some short stories. The guy has a 50+ year career of just pumping out sci-fi/fantasy. The Ys fantasy books he did are pretty easy to find in a set if you want more "myth meets history" stuff. There's also his Operation Otherworld/Holger Danske stuff that's easy to find. All these are in hardcover and not that expensive.

He had decades long series like Flandry and the Time Patrol and etc. I think Baen collected Anderson's space operas.

Anderson's hardest to find books are probably the Viking ones. I know War of the Gods was one of his last ones and it's more historical fiction. He also had a viking trilogy that I believe was only released in shitty paperbacks.

If you've got the cash, NESFA also did a complete 7 volume set of Anderson's short fiction. Think each volume goes for 15-30 bucks second hand.

Anderson's a writer who should be remembered. He's solid and enjoyable. The High Crusade was basically a big Monty Python Space Opera.

If you want more classic SFF writers who did both fantasy and sci-fi, there's also Jack Vance. and Roger Zelazny. They're all fun.

[Anonymous No.23672203]

Anybody know of any Palestinian sci-fi authors/books?

Thanks!

EDIT: I noticed this is getting downvoted but not sure why exactly (beyond the obvious). I'm not interested in geopolitics or religion, just interested in good books :)

[Anonymous No.23672315]

>>23672178
Based post, anon. I appreciate the thorough recommendation. The next book I'm reading is Hrolf Kraki's Saga by Anderson because I loved Broken Sword so much. Can't believe I'm just getting into this guy's work. Definitely underrated. Sad to hear Broken Sword hasn't had a HC since the 50's.

[Anonymous No.23672327]

>>23671101
>same bud

[Anonymous No.23672336]

>>23672315
If it makes you feel better, he released a revised version in the 70s.

[Anonymous No.23672340]

Did anyone here unironically love Babel? It got such hype and when I read it it was just... Aggressively mid. Like, not even egregiously bad, just ham fisted with all the subtlety and nuance of a brick to the dome with characters that were fairly flat. Seriously, if you loved it like so many reviewers did, I would genuinely appreciate hearing your perspective in detail.

[Anonymous No.23672353]

Thread reminder that fantasy and scifi is the bestselling literature genre. Source? My personal opinion, of course.

[Anonymous No.23672370]

Is Lanfear the sexiest /sffg/ character if not then who is?

[Anonymous No.23672488]

Apparently The Broken Binding is entering into the publishing sphere, seems like great news to me

[Anonymous No.23672496]

>>23671094
I'll make her babble with my tower

[Anonymous No.23672527]

>>23672315
Yeah you're basically gonna have to find one of the Gollancz Masterworks editions or the Open Road Media one. Both paperbacks.

Or, if you wanna bind it yourself and get your own hardcover.

>>23672336

Yeah. Shame it's just not talked about that much.

I'm aware that we had a pretty notable bump in viking fiction and norse inspired fantasy in the 20th century but all that gets talked about is Tolkien.

Three Hearts, Three Lions is another famous Anderson fantasy. It's been reprinted often and is also in the Gollancz Masterworks. It was selected to be one of the SFBC's 50th Anniversary series so you can probably find it easily. It's basically about some guy from ww2 getting isekai'd into a fantasy world.

[Anonymous No.23672576]

>>23671020
name them

ones not like this are
worm, dropped the series because interracial in book one
practical guide to evil, might not be what you're looking for
Source, feels like the writer is female

[Anonymous No.23672584]

Any other books like Wolfe's Wizard-Knight and Anderson's There Hearts Three Lions? I love knights and those two are just beautiful, but not sure if there's really anything like it.

[Anonymous No.23672593]

>>23672584
t h white's the once and future king

moore's jirel of joiry

[Anonymous No.23672603]

Anyone ever read The Magicians? Girl I'm simping for loves them and has been bugging me to read them

[Anonymous No.23672621]

>>23672603
i don't want to spoil anything but
girl in the book fucks dog

[Anonymous No.23672629]

>>23672621
YJK

[Anonymous No.23672671]

>>23671196
wev'e been yelling about Broken Sword for years

[Anonymous No.23672761]

>>23671094
she's from Texas, went to a fairly elite private school and then went to fucking Georgetown and was on their debating team.
Kuang's a standard american publishing industry case of a novelist getting their book sold because of connections made during their elite schooling. She's clearly from money and could afford to pal around at workshops and the like as well.

[Anonymous No.23672766]

>>23672120
Are you thinking of book 3 when he tried to rush the prophecy with the stone of Tear just to get this whole Tarmon Gai'don thing over with as soon as possible? At first yeah he's kind of like Frodo but once he grabbed Callandor he started going schizo while distrusting pretty much everyone.

[Anonymous No.23672768]

>>23672603
Found it very annoying to read because book 1 is about someone having depression while being at magic school and that just gets tiring to be subjected to after a while.

[Anonymous No.23672790]

>reading Lord of Chaos
>Egwene gets stripped naked in front of several adult women and repeatedly slapped on her ass with a belt
haha so funny!

[Anonymous No.23672844]

Throne of Magical Arcana is pretty damn bad, so far it's just D&D isekai with a system

[Anonymous No.23672847]

>>23672768
Huh. It suddenly makes sense why she's been recommending it to me, that sounds up my alley.

[Anonymous No.23672848]

>>23672761
>... connections made during their elite schooling. She's clearly from money and could afford to pal around at workshops and the like as well.
She wrote "Yellowface" as a way to "shit" on the very industry she benefits from, all because she's "le asian" and "all le bad white people are mean to me."

[Anonymous No.23672878]

>>23672844
Not read it but it was the author's first work.
I read Martial Arts Master and that was pretty solid. Kinda funny though because it's 50% sports story 50% "okay hopeless readers I'll teach you how to date a girl"

[Anonymous No.23672893]

>>23672370
I liked her crazy ex-GF moments.
I swear every single woman in WoT is described as being a 10/10, with the only exceptions being those who are like comically overweight or something to that effect like that one Tar Valon cook.

[Anonymous No.23672917]

>>23671094
>get such presence in the genre scene?
it's everywhere not just books, america has a tendency to do this every few years, before asians it was mexicans (not latinos just mexicans, probably related to trump and the wall and blah blah) and before that it was black people. the worse part is that the target audience for this shit isn't people who are non-white, it's for white women and sheltered jews.
i have never met a black person who likes Get Out or Moonlight and i have never met an asian who likes crazy rich asians.

[Anonymous No.23672934]

>>23672370
Lanfear iss not even the sexiest woman in the series, that would be my wife Moiraine
The list goes.
>Moiraine
>Morgase
>Tylin
power gap
>Lanfear
>>23672893
Most men are pretty handsome too, the only ugly ones i can think of are Padan Fain and Aginor

[Anonymous No.23672958]

>>23671094
she looks like the type to go for a white guy

[Anonymous No.23672975]

>fantasy books with ugly bastards getting the girls does not exist
If japan can do it, why can't the west?

[Anonymous No.23672990]

>>23672975
Read bujold lol

[Anonymous No.23673011]

>>23672990
kek I don't think Cazaril is ever described as ugly, he's just older (unless you're referring to another book).

[Anonymous No.23673013]

>>23672990
oh man don't remind me

[Anonymous No.23673019]

>>23672975
Farseer did with Molly and Burrich, he impregnated like 5(!) times. i was so glad when he fucking died in the Tawny Man Trilogy

[Anonymous No.23673022]

>>23673011
All of her books are about secret gay lovers, futaphobia, dirty old men, and cuckoldry.

[Anonymous No.23673035]

>>23673022
and if the women don't lust after old men they are lusting after teen boys, Bujold has no middle point lmao

[Anonymous No.23673036]

>>23673011
There's a fair bit of sexual stuff with the bastard in book 2
He's the godly focus of the book in the same way the daughter is the god curse of chalion focuses on

Also for another example there's Glotka in Abercrombie's writing.

[Anonymous No.23673043]

>>23673011
He's not, it's the opposite. After they shave his face the girls say he has a chad jawline/chin.

[Anonymous No.23673051]

*pisses on you*

[Anonymous No.23673055]

>>23673051
ya slop

[Anonymous No.23673062]

>>23673051
You wouldn't get it, it's a Gold thing

[Anonymous No.23673074]

>>23673051
Idk if it's a common take but Victra>Mustang. Mustang was boring as fuck and getting her pov in Iron Gold only reinforced that for me.

[Anonymous No.23673083]

>>23671216
christ these covers suck ass, a 1st year graphic design undergrad could do better, what is their fucking problem

[Anonymous No.23673090]

>>23673022
>gay lover
>futaphobia (I don't even know what this means)
>dirty old men
>cuckoldry
I remember bits of these in Curse of Chalion, but they weren't presented as good (neutral at best). They also weren't the main focus.
>there was a gay dude in the menagerie, but it never went further than declaring it
>a lot of the men were older, but not terribly so. Also Dondo, Bergon, and Palli were young
>the king letting the queen get raped by Martou was done to make you hate him and show how terrible the curse can be
The main character is never cucked by another guy nor is he hit on by the gay dude, and he gets prime virgin puss in the end. It was mostly based.

[Anonymous No.23673092]

>>23673083
I'd say they're marginally better than the ones with real object on badly photoshoped background, like this.

[Anonymous No.23673112]

>>23673083
we have to go back...

[Anonymous No.23673119]

>>23673092
For me it's random guys larping as the characters for the cover.

[Anonymous No.23673124]

>>23673119
Using real people on book covers always looks smut tier.

[Anonymous No.23673134]

>>23673119
This is one step below

[Anonymous No.23673149]

>>23673119
>>23673124
it's shold be illegal to use real people in SFF covers

[Anonymous No.23673150]

I remember being embarrassed about these covers in public

[Anonymous No.23673153]

>>23673149
Worst cover I own
this is such fucking trash (the cover, Bakker is king)

[Anonymous No.23673167]

Ok but nothing can surpass Wordsworth Classics.

>>23673153
I've always wondered if the illustration on the superior cover comes from an actual manuscript or is original art.

[Anonymous No.23673169]

fucking 4 chan lads ought to gather themselves somewhere, I mean online, and write a sci-fi book. I don't care if we needed a decade to complete it and countless internet rendezvous to sort out what's gonna happen, who's gonna write that section, and so on.
Do something really radical, as radical as finding the location of some fuck who tortures animals.
I have been pondering trying to get some of these anons to write a non-fiction book about what has happened to the West, for example.
A sci-fi novel would be as entertaining as that, but this shit's cling to anonymity - perfectly understandable, nevertheless - short-circuits any project I might have. I am growing tired of perishable threads.

imagine a 4chan collection of sci-fi stories. It costs next to nothing to publish your own book these days.

[Anonymous No.23673179]

>>23673169
You sound like a pol retard but to entertain your point people tried to do a fair few anthologies and zine type things in the earlier years of this board.
Inevitabily abandoned due to not realising what an undertaking it was

[Anonymous No.23673220]

>>23671074
god, what I wouldnt give to be an Andel THAD chopping and beheading BILLIONS of CHTONIC first men and tree children for the glory of the seven pointed HEAVENLY truth.

[Anonymous No.23673222]

>>23673169
Half a dozen or more people all writing one book would be a disaster. There's no chance all of them will be equally skilled nor have the same style. The best you can hope for is a collection of shorter stories, and even then you'd have to pray one of the retards involved won't steal them all. Also
>trying to get some of these anons to write a non-fiction book about what has happened to the West
Preachy allegories are incredibly cringe, and no different than what leftist fags have been doing for almost a decade now. Write for your amusement. If it's good other like minded people will enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.23673305]

Let's get some good cover art in this thread

[Anonymous No.23673307]

[Anonymous No.23673310]

>>23673307
Bing chilling

[Anonymous No.23673320]

>>23673305

[Anonymous No.23673357]

>>23673305
Where's his hat?

[Anonymous No.23673379]

>>23673357
Later on in book. I think that's first time he lands on beach

[Anonymous No.23673427]

>>23673357
prompts?

[Anonymous No.23673453]

>>23673357
damn i didn't know India Summer was a character in Dying Earth
Picked up!

[Anonymous No.23673587]

[Anonymous No.23673606]

>>23673051
YA slop.
Read Sun Eater instead.

[Anonymous No.23673623]

sun eater was just promises and promises
it isn't even that it didn't deliver, it instead just kept making more promises
i dropped it after a few books

[Anonymous No.23673639]

>>23673623
I don't understand how anyone can get through the first book. It's meandering, depressing, and constantly cucking the MC/reader.

[Anonymous No.23673646]

>>23671074
Xianxia recommendations and mentions from last 4 threads:
>>23629826
>>23632882
>>23633837
>>23634364
>>23635588
>>23635692
>>23638938
>>23638995
>>23641550
>>23642417
>>23644388
>>23645788
>>23646959 >>23663989 (Eternal Sacred King)
>>23648445 (Martial Peak)
>>23662163
>>23664503
>>23665547
>>23665562
>>23667090
>>23667352
>>23668062
>>23668647
>>23669531
>>23669721
>>23669733
>>23670512

[Anonymous No.23673648]

>>23673639
Not to mention its tyrannical wokeness where every character is evil and gay. I don't know if the author intended it as a commentary against the current year orthodoxy or what.

[Anonymous No.23673656]

>>23673648
I really wish the "woke" elites and the "orthodoxy" oppressed you retards as much as you claim. Unfortunately in reality most people don't get intellectually further than a 2000 year old desert cult.

[Anonymous No.23673661]

>>23673656
People have worshiped God for longer than 2000 years chud.

[Anonymous No.23673666]

>>23673661
Yep which makes your weird cult religion were you believe that some dude was also god even more retarded. The Romans should have just had a zero tolerance policy and killed them all.

[Anonymous No.23673667]

>>23673666
Digits exposed you faggot kys

[Anonymous No.23673675]

>>23673666
Not this time, Satan.

[Anonymous No.23673685]

>>23673666
>666
St. Michael is still haunting this lil niggas dreams

[Anonymous No.23673746]

>>23673646
these are most likely all dogshit as i have dropped all the ones on that list i recognize
i recommend Birth of the Demonic Sword
it was great when i read it several years ago

[Anonymous No.23673750]

>>23673746
>Birth of the Demonic Sword
>Webnovel
based

[Anonymous No.23673760]

Why people can't distinguish real act of child sexual abuse and a fetishist fiction?
If you depict murder in a fiction, everyone understand that you're not a murderer, and that hosting it doesn't mean that you promote murder. Even in the height of anti-computer game movement (Manhunt, etc), no one accused developers/publishers of being murderers.
You provide service, we have a freedom of expression, STFU.

[Anonymous No.23673763]

>this synopsis
>3 million views
Zoomers are cooked.

[Anonymous No.23673765]

>>23673763

[Anonymous No.23673768]

>>23673763
>>23673765
These are the people telling you Tolkien was a hack btw

[Anonymous No.23673769]

>>23673768
Broken clock

[Anonymous No.23673778]

They can't read those either.

[Anonymous No.23673790]

Why human x quadruped romance is so rare? (Romance, not porn). (Also normal quadruped, not centaur). I think only bronies have it as a mainstream thing, other fandoms and original fictions are extremely rare. And it gets even rarer with time. Considering how many bizarre fictions are there, this is pretty vanilla, and yet...
Dragons are common, but it's either a backstory for a hybrid race (so no actual romance is depicted), or the so-called "dragon" is just a human with fire powers.

[Anonymous No.23673797]

>>23673760
>>23673790
>Why people can't distinguish real act of child sexual abuse and a fetishist fiction?
>Why human x quadruped romance is so rare?
Tell me you're from the middle east without telling me you're from the middle east.

[Anonymous No.23673804]

>>23673797
I'm from the east, so you're half-right.

[Anonymous No.23673828]

>>23673357
Japanese cover of cugel's saga is god tier

[Anonymous No.23673839]

>>23673797
Mr Beast, that you?

[Anonymous No.23673860]

>>23673760
Americans are prone to violence and allergic to love. It's part of the desert cult that their leaders use to keep them going to war.

[Anonymous No.23673889]

>>23673153
I attempted to collect all 7 in the US covers but I gave up because as far as I could tell even the US cover switched at the last book to the face-in-hole design

[Anonymous No.23674009]

>>23673889
I laughed out loud, who in the world thought these were a good idea? Just remove the face.

[Anonymous No.23674042]

>>23671542
Absolutely. She's made worse by Sando's abysmal prose, too.

[Anonymous No.23674109]

>>23673760
The thinking is that one can enjoy fictionalised/dramatised violence without being a violent person, but you cannot enjoy fictionalised or dramatised child sex without being a pedo

[Anonymous No.23674352]

>>23673153
Even the Russians managed to make generic dark fantasy covers that fit.

[Anonymous No.23674396]

>>23674352
meanwhile russian sci-fi/isekai lit covers

[Anonymous No.23674475]

>>23671094
AI? Have you been living under a rock. You can't trust any text published in 2024. The images of the chinawomen are themselves probably AI generated.

[Anonymous No.23674480]

>>23674396
wydm that shit goes hard

[Anonymous No.23674485]

>>23674109
Having that kind of fetish simply means that you roleplay with your girlfriend as a teacher/student or something.

[Anonymous No.23674492]

>>23674480
i don’t know if a depiction of the flight of yakub and his army durign finno-korean hyperwar is fitting

[Anonymous No.23674500]

>>23673112
I really despise that book though. He was cooler as a nazi apologist.

[Anonymous No.23674530]

>young and optimistic powerful chosen one
>got manipulated by kingdom(s) for their politics
>no one took the real world-ending threat seriously
Any good fantasy like this?
Bonus point if MC goes nuclear by the end.

[Anonymous No.23674557]

>>23674530
starwars

[Anonymous No.23674641]

I just realized that most of the Harry Potter cast either works or ends up working at magical wagie jobs. Really puts a crimp in the escapism aspect of that series.

[Anonymous No.23674683]

>>23674641
The only jobs in Harry Potter are public school teacher, wagie shopkeeper, or government bureaucrat. It's like paradise for Bongs.

[Anonymous No.23674709]

>>23674396
This is unironically pure kino

[Anonymous No.23674932]

>>23672000
Bridge of Birds
>>23672790
I've been reading through WoT cause it's my dad's favorite and Jordan is constantly having the female characters strip. It's crazy, like a constant porno. The most recent one I've hit is when going to Rhudiean the women have to do it naked. Not the men though. They can just walk in.

[Anonymous No.23675061]

>>23672790
but is it written in a hot way? that's the question

[Anonymous No.23675069]

>>23674932
Damn had no idea WOT was so based.

[Anonymous No.23675073]

>>23673051
ya garbage

[Anonymous No.23675087]

just finished left hand of darkness, it was really enjoyable. Any other books from her that you would recommend?

[Anonymous No.23675155]

This one is criminally underrated. I can only assume it's been allowed to drop off the list of regularly recommended classics because Lewis is seen as a children's author and as an apologist (and many people are allergic to Christianity).

It's fast moving, good prose for genre fiction, interesting, and above all I think it might have the most philosophical depth of any genre fiction I've read. You can see the Oxford professor of medieval literature and classics shining through—Seneca's Scipio and Calcidius being updated for modern eyes.

In some ways, it's also the perfect anti-Bakker. I do enjoy Bakker, but I don't really agree with him and here is a nice competitor.

[Anonymous No.23675165]

Is shanara the one with femdom and is it fetish bait or actual worldbuilding that was memed to death?

[Anonymous No.23675203]

>>23675165
Shanara's pretty sexless you're probably thinking of sword of truth although there was a fair bit of 90's fantasy that leaned into fetishes.
(If I'm right it's less fetish bait and more overt fetishism, the writing sucks for non-sex related reasons)

[Anonymous No.23675218]

>>23675165
>>23675203
The short-lived Sword of Truth TV show also leaned into it.
Here you have "New Zealand Beauty Tandi Wright in Her Red Leather Mord Sith Catsuit 1080P HD" from "Celebrity Spandex HD":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd0n2SkGE2I

[Anonymous No.23675239]

>>23675203
>>23675218
Thanks boys

[Anonymous No.23675250]

>>23675155
thanks, will read

[Anonymous No.23675255]

>>23675218
There's no amount of cat suits that could make me watch an entire episode. That shit sucks.

[Anonymous No.23675290]

>>23675155
>I think it might have the most philosophical depth of any genre fiction I've read
Read Wolfe next

[Anonymous No.23675320]

>>23673746
>Birth of the Demonic Sword
Mid. Very limited in scope of worldbuilding, characters and cultivation. The author basically never really understood what xanxia is about.

[Anonymous No.23675350]

Read all of The Lost Fleet, what are some other series where Chad Thundercock uses the unbeatable strategy of "just don't be retarded" and clowns on his enemies with superweapons?

[Anonymous No.23675362]

>>23675350
sounds interesting. I think I'll check it out.

[Anonymous No.23675383]

I want to read stories with harems. I don't care about the sex, but Japanese main characters are too passive and soft. Amazon novels seem too sterilized. What do I do?

[Anonymous No.23675417]

>>23675383
I wonder how many novels have an accurate take on harems. I haven't read it but I always felt like Grace of Kings would probably be one.

[Anonymous No.23675432]

>>23675383
Check out the novels by Mike Truk they're Fantasy smut with a surprising decent story. William D. Arand is another harem novel guy though they're pretty formulaic and not that interesting imo.

[Anonymous No.23675482]

>>23675417
Apothecary Diaries is pretty good for it, chinese courtly settings general are the best I've found for depictions of what they actually were like.

[Anonymous No.23675497]

>>23675290
I've read Wolfe. Just Shadow. It was good, but I don't really get all the hype.

[Anonymous No.23675505]

>>23675155
There is a cool Iron Maiden song about this one

[Anonymous No.23675511]

>>23675497
It's cooler as a whole, it all comes together at the end

[Anonymous No.23675518]

>>23675497
the hype is the philosophical depth which you were asking for. Read all of severian's journey, then read it again. You'll see.

[Anonymous No.23675522]

>>23675497
Wolfe's good but you gotta remember that it's the first pomo book most of his readers encounter

[Anonymous No.23675583]

>>23671074
>download long series
>feel overwhelmed or lazy and drop it after 1-2 books
>download 1 book, from a series, at a time
>finish 1 book, download the next, finish it, download the next, etc

What is wrong with me?

[Anonymous No.23675584]

>>23675432
I'll check them out. Thanks.
I've tried reading a few in the past and they just felt sanitized and formulaic. I'm guessing Amazon ties their hands in terms of what content they can have.
Maybe I'm too used to Japanese novels where the harem is basically a secondary or tertiary focus.

[Anonymous No.23675594]

>>23675417
The vast majority are either some kind of love triangle-esque situation with more people or just a guy sleeping around.

[Anonymous No.23675636]

>>23673305

[Anonymous No.23675706]

>>23675417
Ruler Of The Sky: A Novel of Genghis Khan by Pamela Sargent is about a bunch of passive aggresive bitches being cunts to each other

[Anonymous No.23675714]

any fun weeb romance novels?

[Anonymous No.23675721]

>>23675706
>Despite the title, this is for the most part a novel of the people around Genghis Khan - mostly women - and only at the very end of his life do we see things from the perspective of Temujin himself. Generally, while this moved quickly and was very readable, it felt at times extremely monotonous: we meet a woman (well, generally a teenager), she falls into Temujin's orbit, there is a sex/rape scene or three (the sex in these gets gradually kinkier, I guess to keep us from getting bored), and there's a little more plot stuff going on for a while, then it's on to the next chapter and the new wife/rape victim/slave/daughter-in-law/whatever. We're never really close enough to any of them to... care, almost?
Sounds accurate

[Anonymous No.23675726]

>>23675155
This has been on my list for awhile, I just haven't gotten around to reading it

>>23674683
kek

[Anonymous No.23675840]

>>23672340
is bad

[Anonymous No.23675955]

>>23671094
Publishers saw a few high-profile success stories (e.g. Three Body Problem, countless webnovel/webcomic series taking off in other markets, etc.) and realised they could cherrypick already proven successes in the Chinese market and localise them to sell them to the rest of the world, and for relatively cheap too. So there's a gold-rush to scoop up the hits while the licensing isn't expensive and also try establish relationships with upcoming authors so that as their career develops they just stick with their existing western partners who they trust.

Once the hype wears off for execs, the big hits are all taken, and authors or Chinese pubs start asking for a higher cut the rate of localisation will slow down.

[Anonymous No.23675972]

>>23674932
Oh yeah I forgot about that lmao.
You've got the seanchan leashes, Elayne and Nynaeve constantly getting either abducted or mind broken. There's also that one time when Egwene spawns the equivalent of a fat ugly bastard in the Tel'aran'rhiod and makes him rape Nynaeve.
There's constant nudity and sexual tension in the air but very rarely does someone actually have sex for some reason.

[Anonymous No.23675985]

Chinese web novels do one thing really well: the payoff. Everything else might be shit, but when it comes time to slap faces, they deliver.
Why do western stories seem so much worse at writing payoffs into their stories? Even Lord of the Rings basically leaves it as an exercise to the reader to imagine it. The story just immediately moves on after a triumph.

[Anonymous No.23675995]

>>23671094
>RF Kuang
After how bad Poppy War was, I'm not even a little interested in this one. Without looking up anything about it, I'm going to guess the protagonist is a young woman frustrated by the sexist attitudes of her society and the expectation of her family to become a wife and mother, and seeks escape from these obligations through a supposedly meritocratic institution that is full of bigoted old men who underestimate her only for her to show them all by revealing a hidden godlike power.

Am I in the ball park?

[Anonymous No.23675998]

>>23675985
bing chilling

[Anonymous No.23676022]

>>23675985
[Verse 1]
Zěnme néng kū ne yīqiè huì hǎo dā
Yīqiè dōu qù ba nǐ jiù dé xiǎngzhe
Jìrán méi bànfǎ hái hèn tā gàn ma
Hái guǎn tā gàn ma xīnlǐ yào jìdé

[Chorus]
Nǐ gga nèi nigga nèi nèi nigga nigga nèi nèi
Nèi nigga nèi nèi nigga nigga nèi nèi
Yángguāng cǎihóng xiǎo báimǎ
NI NI GGA NI NI GGA
Wǒ shì nèi nigga nèi nèi nigga nigga nèi nèi
Nèi nigga nèi nèi nigga nigga nèi nèi
Yángguāng cǎihóng xiǎo NIGGA
Ni ni-gga ni ni--gga
[Build]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YG4iTGjuoKw

[Anonymous No.23676025]

>>23675985
What does any of this have to do with my combo platter?

[Anonymous No.23676112]

>>23675383
A Brother's Price, that is all.

[Anonymous No.23676122]

>>23675998
>>23676022
>>23676025
Are these some kind of board culture memes that I'm unaware of? I don't understand how any of it is relevant to what I wrote.
I just wish my fantasy novels would give me payoffs like Chinese novels do. I want the protagonist to get the girl and read about him enjoying it, to beat the bad guy and enjoy it. But it's usually either suffering or gets skipped.
>>23676112
I haven't read it.

[Anonymous No.23676139]

why don't they print older sci-fi with cool covers anymore

[Anonymous No.23676150]

>>23676122
ni hao to you too
[ROMANIZED]
Ching cheng hanji
xiang shang xie zhou
Qin xiang lian na san shi er suinazhuang gao dangchao fu ma lang
Ta qi junwang a man huang shang na hui hun nan er zhao dong chuang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXptot8Qhlo

[Anonymous No.23676154]

>>23676139
i miss old covers where the women had big hair

[Anonymous No.23676165]

>>23676122
Is it too late to ask for a side of potstickers with my order?

[Anonymous No.23676171]

>>23676139
Publishers are some of the most risk-averse people on earth, they decide nothing about the appearance of a book without running it by the marketing team, who just copy what everyone else is doing, and everyone else is imitating whatever book sold gang busters last quarter.

[Anonymous No.23676175]

>>23675985
Sweet, sweet vindication. >>23673768

[Anonymous No.23676186]

>>23676171
Is it not risky to have a bad cover? If I even glance at anything post 2010 it's because the cover isn't rank cat shit.

[Anonymous No.23676198]

Are there any good deep sea horror books that stick the ending? I read The Deep and feel it kind of fell apart and I'm looking to read something playing on a personal fear of mine.

[Anonymous No.23676260]

>>23676186
Cause your opinion doesn't matter, the collective opinions of the book-buying public do. That's what marketing data is based on. They look at which books are selling, look at everything about the book that they can copy, then feed that to their publishing house editors.

[Anonymous No.23676262]

say i want to write a book with a young adult premise, but I wanted to make it not shit. how would i do it?

[Anonymous No.23676314]

>>23676262
The first step is asking in the writing general instead of asking in the sff general

[Anonymous No.23676322]

>>23676314
you're right, i type in the wrong thing, i frequent here too often. force of habit

[Anonymous No.23676323]

>>23673666
Imagine shit talking God and then having God actually bother to lift a finger to point out your error.
And then not having at least a minor bit of doubt about your mindset.
1-in-1000 right there to ponder over.

[Anonymous No.23676347]

Can someone redpill me on Xianxia? I read a little bit about the genre and it honestly just sounds like litRPG but without the number crunching aspect.

What are the gateway books for the genre? Curious about it but honestly many of the books sound like straight up power fantasy trash.

[Anonymous No.23676375]

>>23676347
>many of the books sound like straight up power fantasy trash.
They are. Don't bother if you're not into that.

[Anonymous No.23676389]

>>23676323
I really wish the government would just euthanize you retarded cultists already. It wasn't funny the first time. By the way 666 was some numerology that christians adopted when moving into a new region it's, the story of the beast is not original in the slightest.
Also talking animals and monsters don't exist. Seems odd how you "book of truths" include them and around the time people thought monsters and talking beasts, sorcery all existed. Now that everyone knows that's all bullshit the only thing you have is a book of bullshit and stolen fables. You should swiftly kill yourself before the government comes and makes your death excruciatingly painful.

[Anonymous No.23676397]

>>23675061
no
>>23675087
earthsea

[Anonymous No.23676636]

>>23675995
Replace sexism with racism, but yeah.

[Anonymous No.23676638]

>>23676154
These type of covers will always get my attention and I'll probably buy the book.

[Anonymous No.23676658]

>>23676347
stick with wuxia. Xianxia is too over the top

[Anonymous No.23676747]

>>23675087
Tombs of Atuan (or however it's spelled)
anything Verner Vinge
>>23676154
This series (meaning the entire 10 book saga) is one of the most epic and well-written series I've ever come across. I still have to read Magnificat. I've been holding off on it like I would a chocolate bar for dessert after dinner.

[Anonymous No.23676943]

>>23676389
Books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.23677012]

>>23671094
To compensate for how they didn't have any presence in China.

[Anonymous No.23677208]

>The Way of Kings
>Kaladin & Bridge 4 = kino
>Dalinar = necessary for the climax
>Adolin = ads break
>Shallan = ads break
>flashback = ads break
>interludeS = ads break
It could have been a great book.

[Anonymous No.23677227]

i still can’t believe the official translation for a location in the duoluo series is Shrek Academy

[Anonymous No.23677238]

I should probably stop reading webnovels, reading the ones outside of the absolute best on offer is kinda dangerous because you start thinking "I could probably do better than this" an awful lot

[Anonymous No.23677334]

>>23677208
>written by Sanderson
No, it couldn't

[Anonymous No.23677693]

>>23676175
I don't think Tolkien was a hack. I loved the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. I brought him up because I think he is an excellent writer.
>>23676165
I don't understand.
>>23676150
You can romanize it all you want I still can't read chink

[Anonymous No.23677695]

>>23677238
or you know they are shit so you should stop readin them

[Anonymous No.23677698]

I have been reading old DnD novels. I thought that going back in time meant that I wouldn't have to deal with Mary Sues.

I don't mind strong indenpendent women that can defeat men. Like the Witch, the sorceress or the wench using her sexuality to manipulate. But I hate seeing women physically overpower men. Even things like female archers are cringe. Since you need a lot of upper body strength. Especially back muscles to make a bow bend.

When did fiction start getting these strong woman types?

[Anonymous No.23677707]

>>23675995
>Poppy War
Whenever someone mention that trilogy positively it's unavoidably about how "Asian fantasy" it is or something about the author. No one ever says anything about the books themselves.

[Anonymous No.23677708]

>>23675985
But isn't one of the main praises for "darker" Western books that they don't end with happily ever after? So that idea has to have come from somewhere. Fairy tales?

[Anonymous No.23677724]

>>23676347
>What are the gateway books for the genre?
The gateway to xianxia is Dragon Ball Z. DBZ is not xianxia, but that's where people get interested in this shit.
If you want actual xianxia you should probably read something like I Shall Seal The Heavens, Ancient Godly Monarch or Martial World. They are pretty typical with the tropes that most xianxia novels have.

Cradle is recommended as something from a western author, but the start was slow and it's just suffering porn at the start, as is typical for western authors. I wouldn't recommend Cradle.
>Curious about it but honestly many of the books sound like straight up power fantasy trash.
If this is a concern for you then it probably won't be for you.

[Anonymous No.23677735]

>>23677698
They were always there. Fantasy was kind of an equalizer, but it wasn't annoying in your face. D&D novels also have this quality of visibly adapting rules into prose.

[Anonymous No.23677744]

>>23677708
A story doesn't have to end happily ever after, though I do prefer it, but the characters usually have many triumphs during the story. They rarely get to celebrate it though. It's like playing an RPG where the mobs are the same level as you, so you never feel like your character is getting stronger.

[Anonymous No.23677753]

>>23677698
>When did fiction start getting these strong woman types?
It's a very old archetype, think the Amazons.

[Anonymous No.23677799]

>>23677695
they're not noticeably worse than most of what I read when I was going through new releases desu
they lack the obvious influence of writing workshops but it's kinda telling how little they differ otherwise from published works, previously I would have assumed those went through some pretty extensive professional editing but that doesn't really seem to be the case.

[Anonymous No.23677808]

>>23677799
>when I was going through new releases
don't read those either what the hell

[Anonymous No.23677839]

i need your help to remember a novel I found mentioned here. I don't what the hell I did to the thread. I added it to my favourites, yet I have no idea where it is. Perhaps I deleted it or didn't press the add button properly.

This is a fantasy novel, a story in one volume, written by a woman with an asian-looking name. It's "independent". I remember looking at its page on amazon and wanting to purchase it, but I didn't have my bloody phone with me and could not finish the order.

What I can say about it is reached it through some other series written by someone who all here said wasn't woke. The character is some kind of criminal. Or was.

[Anonymous No.23677846]

>>23677839
in case anyone manages to point out the novel, I'd appreciate some feedback on it. I'm quite demanding about fantasy stuff: i only read 3 or 4 books every year, and I don't want to waste my time with something that will require at least 2 weeks (the novel in question is over 600 pages).
I think on the cover there's a woman who's wearing some samurai-looking attire.

[Anonymous No.23677977]

>>23677208
this
don't read the next book btw it's 90% shallan

[Anonymous No.23677990]

>>23677753
What a wild example of a mary sue oc donut.

>Created during the Renaissance, Bradamante is the sister of the Four Sons of Aymon (from the legendary Matter of France) who was 'forgotten' because she was a woman, thus it is at once impossible to prove she did or didn't exist.
>She is the only female paladin of Charlemagne, as well as one of the strongest, possessing a magic lance that could unseat any foe.
>She is also guided by Merlin, who aids her in her travels by speaking to her as a voice across space and time.
>Like any mary sue she accumulates a horde of magic items, rings and shields that she uses and loses along her journey.
>But she vowed to only marry the man who could best her. This of course happens to be a Saracen (muslim) knight, who also is supposedly a descendant of Hector of Troy.
>This man goes on his own set of adventures, and most of the thousands of pages of the Orlando epics, concern these two ocs.
>There are even numerous times where the man gets captured and must be rescued by Bradamante to remind the reader how great she is.
>Then in the end we find that the two marry and found the House of Este, who just so happen to be the patrons of the writer.
>Better yet, no one can claim the two ocs didn't exist, as the lack of record is accounted for in the fact that Bradamante (a woman) married a Saracen (a muslim) and therefore there would be no record of their existence in the first place.

tldr - Italian nobles commissioned an epic based on the stories of Charlemagne, starring two ocs. Say ocs are their ancestors. Woman is a paladin of Charlamagne. Man is a descendant of Hector of Troy.
Imagine getting your fanfiction classified as classical literature.

[Anonymous No.23678045]

23676323
Perhaps the most embarrassing post in this thread, if only because our resident book cultist is not currently having a tantrum or spamming for some reason.

[Anonymous No.23678117]

>>23677990
The Aeneid was also a fanfic of the Iliad written to portray Augustus as a descendant of ancient Troy.

[Anonymous No.23678128]

This was way better than had any right to be

[Anonymous No.23678133]

>>23677990
But Ruggiero converts before their marriage, that was the point. You also forgot about his twin sister, who's also a super strong knight.

[Anonymous No.23678155]

>>23678133
Yeah, but that was just to avoid having an unconverted muslim as an ancestor. The real reason for his being Saracen was so no one could disprove their claims since he was originally non christian and lacked documentation like any normal Christian noble would at the time.

Good set of books, a lot of great scenes and characters. Just wanted to point out how much of a mary sue Bradamante was (going on memories of having read it over ten years ago).

[Anonymous No.23678180]

>>23678155
From what i remember his father was also European. So he was only a little Saracen on his mother's side, not muslim enough to be controversial, and just European enough for the romance to be acceptable.

[Anonymous No.23678182]

>>23678045
>Perhaps the most embarrassing post in this thread
Ironing.

[Anonymous No.23678213]

i miss the days when the elite used to commission writers to write fanfic of their geneaology, including mythical heroes and gods into their pedigree.

[Anonymous No.23678230]

>>23678128
nice i'll check it out. Im writing a weird western myself

[Anonymous No.23678351]

>>23676171
>>23676186
Bujold and stross have both wrote about this and said that sales data proves bad/publisher generic covers out sell good ones

[Anonymous No.23678678]

>>23675985
Western character showing his power levels might offend some liberal roastie therefore usually it's not done.

[Anonymous No.23678763]

>>23678351
Yes, there's a reason they follow the marketing data. All this proves is that the public has shit taste.

[Anonymous No.23678963]

>>23671074
anyone know of any good books with fairies in it?
i love fairies

[Anonymous No.23678972]

>>23677839
Have you looked through your internet history? Or even Amazon history. Surely the book's page must be there.

[Anonymous No.23679007]

>>23678963
Little, Big

[Anonymous No.23679021]

>>23678963
Uuuh.. fairy tales?

[Anonymous No.23679070]

>>23678351
bujold's new covers are decent. at least in my country, I can't find them online

[Anonymous No.23679271]

Any good /sff/ without product placement.

[Anonymous No.23679405]

>>23678972
I found it, bro.

Anyone care to opine about it?

[Anonymous No.23679424]

>>23679405
couldn't get past the first few pages

[Anonymous No.23679426]

An anon once posted a pic with the authors one could trust not to pollute their plots with faggotry.
Anyone have a similar one but about fantasy?
Bear in mind that I suffer from unrelenting transphobia and homophobia, unless the fag's based.

Rebecca Yaros? Samantha Shannon?

[Anonymous No.23679437]

Has anyone read pic related? The cover and the flat that it's about vampire gives fantasy smut vibes.

[Anonymous No.23679449]

>>23679437
It's not *that* smutty, it's a pretty straightforward story about a hero on a quest, imo

[Anonymous No.23679603]

>>23678963
Shadowmarch by Tad Williams.
War of the Flowers by Tad Williams.

Tad likes his fairies. They're in a lot of his books.

[Anonymous No.23679607]

Why is xianxia so FUCKING GOOD! Holy shit is anybody else as HYPED as I am for this genre? The world used to feels DULL and LISTLESS, before I started reading them (~2014)

[Anonymous No.23679691]

>>23679607
based but cringe

[Anonymous No.23679698]

>>23679426
older writers are typically like this.

go look up Poul Anderson, Fred Saberhagen, Fritz Leiber, etc.

[Anonymous No.23679721]

>>23679607
I don't see the appeal personally. I don't get how low quality, mass manufactured and machine translated fantasy set in a culture that people outside east Asia are unfamiliar with can be popular.
Even if I had read all of the major fantasy series out there already I'd rather just start rereading them instead of reading xianxia.

[Anonymous No.23679856]

>>23679607
You've been feminized. Fed estrogen since the young age, your thought processes are completely messed up and xanxia is the only form of literature that can still reach into the depths of your shrivelled coom brain and awaken your true male personality even if only for a moment or two.

[Anonymous No.23679923]

>>23679856
I'm a girl you closeted faggot

[Anonymous No.23679947]

>>23679923
Show tits or gtfo

[Anonymous No.23679954]

>>23679923
Tits or gtfo

[Anonymous No.23680004]

>>23679923
Dead.

[Anonymous No.23680034]

>>23679856
>>23679923
>your thought processes are completely messed up
>I'm a girl

[Anonymous No.23680081]

>>23679721
>set in a culture that people outside east Asia are unfamiliar with
You don't need a deep understanding of Western culture to read a superhero or cowboy novel. It's just tropes.

[Anonymous No.23680085]

>>23680081
I was thinking about the title of the once and future king. Is Arthur a type of Christ?

[Anonymous No.23680088]

>>23679271
Actually good sff:
>The Time Machine
>Conan
>The Hobbit
>Titus Groan
>The Broken Sword
>The Stars My Destination
>Solaris
>Dune
>Lord of Light
>A Wizard of Earthsea
>Swords and Deviltry
>The Forever War
>The Shadow of the Torturer
>Neuromancer
>Ender's Game
>Assassin's Apprentice
>A Game of Thrones
>The Darkness That Comes Before
>Black Leopard, Red Wolf
>Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind
>Berserk
>Lovecraft
>Borges
>Phillip K Dick
>Jack Vance
>Moorcock
>John Crowley

[Anonymous No.23680090]

>>23679923
When your boyfriend asks you "what do you want to do?" what do you reply with?

[Anonymous No.23680158]

>>23679449
Can you provide more detail on the book's plot / characters?

[Anonymous No.23680164]

>>23673666
Wow the market of satan. Appropriate since you’ll be in hell soon enough

[Anonymous No.23680172]

>>23679923
I'm sorry that happened to you.

[Anonymous No.23680207]

>>23680158
Last of us but vampires.

[Anonymous No.23680266]

>>23680207
Well now I don't want to read it.

[Anonymous No.23680324]

>>23680090
Express no preference and then act passive aggressively when it's not what I want

[Anonymous No.23680327]

>>23680088
I've red the time machine, berserk, the hobbit, conan, dune, neuromancer
and they were all shit. Which from your list do your recommend knowing that.

[Anonymous No.23680336]

>>23680327
>red
aaaahahhahahahahhahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhaahhhhahahahhhhahha
You haven't 'red' a book in your life. Except xianxia slop.

[Anonymous No.23680410]

>>23680336
xianxiabros... this can't be happening..

[Anonymous No.23680423]

What’s something that can happen when an object or person on two points of a time line meets itself? I think Timecop had them merge and explode, are there any alternatives or other fun things?

[Anonymous No.23680481]

>>23680327
Be easier if you listed books you actually do like, but I'll go with Ender's Game. It's a big hit with children.

[Anonymous No.23680496]

>>23671074
>do your recommend
good morning saars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfpry9-wIvs

[Anonymous No.23680498]

>>23680327
>do your recommend
good morning saars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfpry9-wIvs

[Anonymous No.23680605]

>>23680498
damn, sam fell off

[Anonymous No.23680635]

>>23680158
Lamb of God

[Anonymous No.23680636]

>>23680327
>they were all shit

[Anonymous No.23680676]

Could Jojo's Bizarre Adventure work in book form?

[Anonymous No.23680908]

>>23671074
So my dad asked me about the Three Body Problem and he got it from a reddit thread. I think we've gone full circle now and leddit servers should be blown up in minecraft.

[Anonymous No.23680913]

>>23673666
Kek satan is still seething after 2000 years

[Anonymous No.23680918]

>>23676389
>I really wish the government would just euthanize you retarded cultists already. It wasn't funny the first time. By the way 666 was some numerology that christians adopted when moving into a new region it's, the story of the beast is not original in the slightest.
>Also talking animals and monsters don't exist. Seems odd how you "book of truths" include them and around the time people thought monsters and talking beasts, sorcery all existed. Now that everyone knows that's all bullshit the only thing you have is a book of bullshit and stolen fables. You should swiftly kill yourself before the government comes and makes your death excruciatingly painful.

[Anonymous No.23680957]

>>23680918
>Wojack-poster

[Anonymous No.23680961]

>>23673666
Based Satan telling it like it is

[Anonymous No.23680963]

>>23676323
>Doubting yourself just because an authority figures tell you it's wrong.
Beta behavior

[Anonymous No.23681012]

I need books for this feel

[Anonymous No.23681050]

>>23680207
lol, it really is

[Anonymous No.23681099]

>>23680957
>faggot

[Anonymous No.23681111]

>>23680963
>take a steaming pile of shit in the corner of a room
>"bro, that's disgusting."
>"heh, jokes on you. I don't listen to authority figures, bucko."

[Anonymous No.23681156]

>>23680327
>le ebin contrarian

[Anonymous No.23681162]

>>23681099
Yes, yes you are.

[Anonymous No.23681164]

>>23681111
Unlike you, I don't need a higher power to tell me defecating in public is disgusting.

[Anonymous No.23681166]

>>23680410
We will not recover.

[Anonymous No.23681167]

>>23672203
>downvoted

reddit's that way

[Anonymous No.23681172]

>>23673305

I've never seen that cover. And at various time I've owned at least three different print of that book.

Possibly one of the few Vance covers that illustrate an exact scene from the book.

Awesome cover art too.

[Anonymous No.23681181]

>>23681012

Dying Earth by Jack Vance.

[Anonymous No.23681183]

>>23681166
Then cultivate harder

[Anonymous No.23681213]

>>23680676
It depends on the writer, I thought The Book was good, but in the end it works best in manga form.

[Anonymous No.23681217]

>>23681181
I've read Dying Earth already, that was the first thing I thought of. Maybe I should just reread Dying Earth.

[Anonymous No.23681288]

>>23681012
Demon Princes, by Jack Vance
Have Spacesuit, Will Travel
Glory Road

[Anonymous No.23681327]

Just finished reading it, I really like the cover, also any cover I came across of the dying earth series the covers were really good

[Anonymous No.23681354]

What would be non schizo version of Dan Simmons?

[Anonymous No.23681382]

Just finished it.
>Asha'man, kill
Holy fucking kino.

[Anonymous No.23681411]

>>23681327
>females on the cover
No thanks

[Anonymous No.23681422]

>>23681411
Buy an edition that doesn't have a femoid on the cover then. There are plenty.

[Anonymous No.23681437]

>>23681411
How do you even breathe?

[Anonymous No.23681439]

>>23681411
T'sain and T'sais are cool

[Anonymous No.23681451]

>>23681288
Thanks

[Anonymous No.23681485]

>>23681439
>tfw no T'sais gf

[Anonymous No.23681502]

>>23681382
Contender for the best scene in the whole series.

[Anonymous No.23681590]

which music should I listen to while reading thomas covenant?

[Anonymous No.23681624]

>>23681590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyGZyoWl7uo

[Anonymous No.23681748]

Read Tenebroum

[Anonymous No.23681761]

Any good books with Vampires?

[Anonymous No.23681765]

>>23681748
why

[Anonymous No.23681827]

>>23680324
I'm pleased to inform you that the HRT seems to be working as expected. Fuck xianxia though.

[Anonymous No.23682122]

I'm looking for a fantasy book about a party of adventurers doing cool adventure things. Fighting monsters, delving dungeons, going on quests. No politics, chosen one plots, kings and queens bullshit. I want to read cool adventurers solving adventuring problems in interesting ways.

Does this exist? I tried books like Dragonlance, which quickly devolved into elven politics snoozefest, and Kings of the Wyld which was just very repetitive and far too "lighthearted" silly for me.

[Anonymous No.23682125]

>>23682122
Oh and no fucking litrpg shit

[Anonymous No.23682131]

>>23682122
the hobbit
lords of the rings

[Anonymous No.23682174]

>>23682131
Read that shit.

[Anonymous No.23682196]

>>23682174
read anything else by tolkien

[Anonymous No.23682211]

>>23682122
Some Arthurian stories are pretty comfy but there aren't too many monsters.

[Anonymous No.23682222]

>>23682122
sword and sorcerery. But usually it's a loner doing those cool things.

[Anonymous No.23682223]

>>23673153
I actively waited to find this cover before I bought/read it. Every other one is hideous

[Anonymous No.23682229]

>>23682122
Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
>Kings of the Wyld too silly
Yeah, it seems like comedic novels have dominated the style of adventuring you are looking for. I am someone who unironically enjoys The Legend of Vox Machina so this doesn't bother me, but it'd be cool to have something in this vein taken more seriously.
>>23682131
>The Hobbit, where Bilbo fulfills a prophecy and the book ends with a five-way war
>The Lord of the Rings, a story in which the rightful king is put back on the throne
>no politics, chosen one plots, kings and queens bullshit

[Anonymous No.23682279]

>>23682122
Several fantasy books feature adventurers on quests without political intrigue or chosen one tropes. Notable recommendations include:

- **Aching God** by Mike She'll: A classic quest fantasy with engaging adventurer dynamics.

- **The Copper Promise** by Jen Williams: Focuses on a group of adventurers facing various challenges.

- **Fool's Gold** by Jon Hollins: A fun adventure with dark comedy elements.

- **Spiderlight** by Adrian Tchaikovsky: A traditional quest narrative.

- **The Ember Blade** by Chris Wooding: Set for release soon, promising a classic adventure feel[1][3].

Citations:
[1] Where are all the books about party's of adventurers and epic journeys? https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/8y7j29/where_are_all_the_books_about_partys_of/
[2] Ten of the Best: Fighting Fantasy Books - Tabletop Gaming Magazine https://www.tabletopgaming.co.uk/features/ten-of-the-best-fighting-fantasy-books/
[3] The Ultimate Reading Quest: 10 Fantasy Books for Dungeons ... https://joncronshaw.com/2023/10/23/the-ultimate-reading-quest-10-fantasy-books-for-dungeons-dragons-fans/
[4] Fighting Fantasy - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Fantasy
[5] A Fantasy Adventure of Dangerous Monsters and Bloody Battle (The ... https://www.amazon.com/Mountains-Monsters-Fantasy-Adventure-Dangerous/dp/B09GZFB9X1

[Anonymous No.23682304]

>>23682229
What prophecy has Bilbo fulfilled exactly? The only politics there are "we want shiny stone or war", so with a bar that low anything could be politics. Also Bilbo slept through the entire battle iirc. The only point that stands is Bilbo being chosen by the ring I guess, but even then it has no real bearing on the story unless you connect it with LotR.
Aragorn becoming king is a B plot but fair enough I guess.

[Anonymous No.23682412]

>>23681012
that's some inspo right there my guy

[Anonymous No.23682415]

>>23682304
> with a bar that low anything could be politics.
Correct. Anything and everything is political.

[Anonymous No.23682430]

>>23682415
So what's the point of asking for recommendations if there is not a single work of fiction ever made that could fit in those criteria?

[Anonymous No.23682495]

>>23682430
I'm not the one who asked, just pointing out the flaw in the CHUD's request.

[Anonymous No.23682509]

>>23682495
Ah, sorry then.

[Anonymous No.23682611]

>>23682131
>Anon asks for recommendations
>Posts literally the most popular books in that genre as if he's never heard of them

You were trying to be an asshole right?

[Anonymous No.23682624]

>>23682611
maybe he didnt read them, how would you have known without me asking?

[Anonymous No.23682724]

>>23682279
Ai post

[Anonymous No.23682821]

u all read books that were written a century ago. is there a general for non boomers

[Anonymous No.23682822]

>>23682821
I mostly read books written in the last 20 years and I always post about them whenever I finish them, but I am lucky if I get more than 1 reply.

[Anonymous No.23682906]

Is there an alien species in SF where only the immature form is sentient? I was thinking of a species where the larval form is a humanoid or at least human sized and they have an advanced technological civilization, but when they mature they become a dinosaur sized herbivore. The adults produce millions of larvae because most where killed in the planet's harsh biosphere, the larvae are intelligent to give them a better chance of survival. However with technological progress fewer and fewer of the larvae are killed and to prevent overpopulation most of them undergo permanently neotenizing surgery. Becoming sexually mature would be an honor preserved for a chosen few. I think it would be interesting to read about a species where intelligence is just a tool that is cast off when no longer useful, and the juveniles envy the non-sentience of the adults.

[Anonymous No.23682914]

>>23682906
Your concept is intriguing and does touch on themes explored in various science fiction literature, albeit with a unique twist. The notion of a species where only the juvenile form is sentient is relatively rare, but there are a few examples in science fiction that play with the idea of different life stages having vastly different attributes or roles within their societies.

One example that somewhat parallels your idea is the Sarlacc from the Star Wars universe, which is more about a sentient structure than a species, but similar themes about stages of life could be explored with the Sarlacc's young not being sentient but rather serving a role before maturing into an immense and immobile creature.

Your specific idea, where the immature larvae are humanoid, sentient, and industrious, while the adult forms are massive and non-sentient herbivores, lends itself to a rich narrative and societal structure. This could lead to explorations of environmental adaptation, the value of intelligence versus physical presence, and the social hierarchies that arise from such a system. The honed nature of the larvae might instill a culture steeped in achievement and responsibility, where the honor of reaching adulthood is revered, and perhaps not all larvae wish to mature due to the loss of sentience.

The societal implications could be profound as well; the entire civilization could revolve around ensuring the survival and welfare of the larvae since they represent the future of the species. Issues of dependency on survival strategies, technological innovation, and even the ethicality of transforming intelligent beings into a non-sentient state could provide rich narrative opportunities.

In terms of incorporating such a species into a broader universe, you could address themes like inter-species relations, moral dilemmas regarding intelligence, and what it means to be 'alive' or 'sentient.' The existential thoughts and societal pressures faced by the larvae, combined with the eventual fate of adults, could create an emotionally charged atmosphere ripe for exploration in a novel.

If you're looking for existing works that might offer similar themes or could inspire your story, consider checking out "The Left Hand of Darkness" by Ursula K. Le Guin, which examines gender and societal structures, or "Babel-17" for its unique look at language and consciousness. Both delve into complex sociocultural dynamics that might resonate with your ideas.

Overall, your idea for a species where intelligence is temporary and a privilege rather than a default state has great narrative and thematic potential!

[Anonymous No.23682975]

>>23682914
I've read The Left Hand of Darkness and enjoyed it, I haven't read Babel-17 but I did read Dhalgren by Delaney which was really good. The Xenogenesis trilogy by Octavia Butler also deals with similar concepts now that I think of it.

[Anonymous No.23682978]

twi patreon chap theStoryContinues

[Anonymous No.23682992]

>>23675497
Read Fifth Head of Cerberus instead

[Anonymous No.23683111]

>>23681012

This looks like a scene straight from A A Attanasio's In Other Worlds. However I don't recommend you read that book. Instead read 'The Last Legends of Earth' by him which is just amazing.

[Anonymous No.23683119]

>>23682906
>Is there an alien species in SF where only the immature form is sentient?

I can think of at least a couple of short stories.

One is by Stephen Baxter in his 'Vacuum Diagrams' collection of short stories. Together the stories tell the long-drawn out defeat in this universe of baryonic life (including humans) and if that sounds depressing, it's not. Some of the stories vary in quality but taken together, they were great.

[Anonymous No.23683233]

>>23683119
i hated reading those books because they were sold to me as space opera and i was constantly thinking when the fuck are they gonna start blasting them xeelees or whatever

[Anonymous No.23683236]

>>23682906
Love is the plan and the plan is death

[Anonymous No.23683240]

>>23682992
The different "gimmicks" of each story was super clever (diary, letter, prisoner's confession, weird fever dream thingy, can't really recall)
It just really resonates with me, when the story being told as a diary, end up being plot relevant, etc

Wolfe does this in a lot of his books, come to think of it.

[Anonymous No.23683295]

>>23683292
>>23683292
>>23683292
New!

[Anonymous No.23683594]

>>23682906
Star Sector General has a race that evolved on a planet where everything is constantly attacking them and the adults serve as unthinking carriers for psychic gestating feti.

[Anonymous No.23683656]

>>23676347
Blue mage raised by dragons.

[Anonymous No.23683712]

>>23682122
Everyone loves large chests.