Charls Carroll’s Philosophy and Books

[Anonymous No.23669086]

I’ve recently started watching these streams and the discussions are so interesting, but he has a rhetorical habit of gatekeeping certain things like “let’s not get too deep into that” or “you’d be better off not reading about that”. I understand he does this because knowledge of certain things does more harm than good, but it can be frustrating sometimes to not understand what he’s talking about. For anyone who doesn’t know him, he’s an ex-comedian from MDE who does these streams where he talks loosely about religion, conspiracy theories, alternative health, books, movies etc. but oftentimes he’s taking the piss or speaking in a vague way about them. Most of his streams are memory-holed either by himself or the platforms they were posted on. He seems to have sort of a cult of personality and a lot of his viewers seem to already know what he’s talking about, but I’m retarded so generally I have no idea. I know this is a long shot, but I was hoping someone here could recognize some of the books on his shelf by their covers, or if someone here happens to know about books he’s recommended in the past. Even book recommendations from other /lit/fag fans of his to point me in the right direction are welcome. Make it a Charls discussion thread, I don’t really care, I’m just interested in the ideas he puts forth and would like to learn more about them.

[Anonymous No.23669106]

>>23669086
>MDE
they made really funny stuff, but anything not comedy related that comes out of these guys mouths is complete garbage.

[Anonymous No.23669105]

>>23669086
man he looks bad, what the hell happened to him?

[Anonymous No.23669184]

>>23669086
i saw him do standup a month ago and world peace 2 is being edited rn he's not a former comedian
he had a reading list out at some point years ago but I can't find it, iirc it was a spreadsheet and pretty big, lots of schizo/far right stuff

[Anonymous No.23669187]

>>23669086
He’s recommended Lewis’s space trilogy a lot. Also Charles Williams (Place of the Lion etc.) and the other inklings (Tolkien, Barfield).
King Warrior Magician Lover has come up a few times in the past.
I know he is a fan of Gene Wolfe and R.A. Lafferty as well.

[Anonymous No.23669205]

>>23669086
He knocked up a disgusting ex-prostitute shitskin tranny and has 2 mixed-race abominations to change diapers for. I bet Sam and his wigger zoomer slaves get a kick out of that and laugh behind his back. Meanwhile Sam and Nick actually put in work and invested into their creative and business pursuits and are millionaires while Charls is the ugly beaten stepchild they feed scraps too.

That being said, his streams are pathetic too. He read one Bukowski book and smoked DMT and now he understands human relationships, communication, and history better than anyone as he rambles high on stream for hours. What an embarrassment Bombstrap, you could have been a contender!

[Anonymous No.23669208]

>PICREL
holy shit i feel like i'm shilling... I AM NOT

idk why this faggot website detects this shit as spam, probably because i included multiple links

[Anonymous No.23669234]

>>23669086
I like Charls a lot, but he's definitely working a gimmick with his pseudo-spiritual streams. At this point, it may not be so much that he's milking his viewers but he genuinely believes himself to hold some forbidden/holy knowledge when clearly he doesn't have much of a clue on how things actually operate, he doesn't elaborate on things very well because he's not an erudite. He means well, and he does point you towards an interesting direction, but it's not all that insightful at the end of the day. His thing is that he sounds like he absolutely believes in whatever it is that he's saying, his voice doesn't shake with uncertainty, he doesn't stutter, that's his charm. But he's too meandering to warrant a subscription or anything like that. His palace streams are a mess, and it boggles my mind that he's putting them behind a paywall.
All in all, I'm just glad to know that he's doing well, with his good wife and his baby twins. You bond with the people that make you laugh a lot over the years. That's all that matters.

[Anonymous No.23669242]

>>23669205
>ex-prostitute
source? would be funny if true

he seems happy around his kids and his wife is model tier, miles better than your tanned roastie freaks

>MDE NEVER DIES
that shit died long ago

[Anonymous No.23669250]

>>23669086
From what I remember of his streams around memeflu times, Charls is the type of guy to read 1000 page conspiracy theories and look for signs in the Old Testament, but lose his shit at the mere mention of any serious political, philosophical, or scientific thinkers.

[Anonymous No.23669251]

Charls doesn't know what he's talking about. He has a very surface level knowledge of these esoteric schizo topics (on par with your average /x/tard) and it's clear to me it's just a gimmick he puts on.
t. actual esoteric schizo retard

[Anonymous No.23669294]

>>23669187
>>23669208
Thanks frens
>>23669205
Lol is she actually a former prostitute or a tranny? I’ve seen her once or twice on stream but don’t know much about their relationship. Not even sure I want to know if what you’re saying is true to be honest.
>>23669234
I sort of get this feeling as well when I watch him, that he’s just talking out of his ass but the people his streams attract know more about these topics than he does and sort of feed him things to talk about. I definitely wouldn’t subscribe to any of his stuff because I’ve heard mixed things about The Palace and paywalls in general are just never worth it.
>>23669251
I’m more interested in schizo retard shit in general than just this one guy’s schizo shit. I’ll take your word for it that his takes on conspiracies and esoteric stuff is pedestrian, so I’m curious about what books you would recommend instead? I’ve lurked /x/ for years and listen to schizo retards like Charls and War Mode but generally always feel like there’s too many puzzle pieces missing. And a lot of people have common talking points, that seem true but get old such as
>le joos
>earth is flat
>history is fake
>elite are satanic
>the world is hell
>technology is evil
>various spiritual techniques such as meditation and fasting are necessary for enlightenment
And more of course but these are just some common ones I see often.
I’m genuinely mentally ill and want to create a post-it note evidence board to connect all the dots. I’ll dig for information on Tor if I have to.

[Anonymous No.23669353]

>>23669086
this guy? i've been getting recommended his videos a lot lately, no matter how many times i click "don't recommend me this channel". now i have to see his stupid face here, too.

[Anonymous No.23669386]

>>23669353

[Anonymous No.23669399]

>>23669086
>gatekeeping
go back

[Anonymous No.23669406]

>>23669086
he looks like mcconaughey in that aids movie

[Anonymous No.23669417]

>>23669105
Married a muzzie

[Anonymous No.23669435]

congrats this might be the lowest quality, most pathetic post I've ever seen on this board. Reread what you wrote and try to justify your continued existence.

[Anonymous No.23669446]

>>23669435
Me on the right, (((You))) on the left.

[Anonymous No.23669460]

>>23669184

You mean this?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GBwGl9uawB1gDuoEKEGkyV3NJqxduklu0Btsux7UGxQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

I have it saved but I was never sure if Charls made it or some fan

[Anonymous No.23669465]

>>23669460
iirc it was linked from his site or something at some point
i know he wouldn't recommend it now though he is very anti philosophy i think so now that you say it probably not him unless he's had something of a radical shift

[Anonymous No.23669959]

>>23669294
The thing with guys of Charls' ilk, and you see a lot of them hang around on /x/, is their instant dismissal of any notion that may be close to a popular sentiment, subsequently followed by a severe reduction of whatever alternative they might be peddling. Sure, history has been falsified, but how so? where? when? all this shit is rarely if ever addressed by these guys. Oftentimes you'd see Charls do the /lit/ trick of mentioning an author or a theory, and never elaborate on anything else, just coast on the sheer namedropping. And his now commonplace interjections whenever he's reacting to anything contemporary as ''that's just fake'' is near comical at this point. It's not that I personally disagree with his skepticism, but that we all tend to prefer having some meat on the bone ya know. And we know for a fact that they're not doing it in a initiatic sense either.
As far as having somebody else to listen to, you could fall into a rabbit hole from all the guests on the hermitix podcast. It's not something that I listen to often, but it is a hub for all sorts of off-base guys doing some interesting work on the fringes, regardless of their actual accuracy. The Programmed to Chill guys are pretty cool as well. As with anything, they key is to diversify your sources while sharpening your critical thinking, and most of all having good intentions within your heart.
As far as books to recommend, there's no reason why you can't read someone like Ivan Illich or Thomas Szasz or even somebody like Joseph P. Farrell. It's not glamorously schizo, a buzzword which i'm reluctantly using here, but it gets you thinking. One thing you could do, to further your research in close quarters, is search for names of people or theories or events on the /x/ or /lit/ archives, to find people connecting them with other points of interest.

[Anonymous No.23670157]

His old twitch streams watching movies with the chat was a lot of fun. Lots of people scoff at watching old movies but he really showed how to have fun with them. It was also the only way you could interact with MDE stuff for a couple years so it was cool watching someone play modern games on twitch and switching from a normal streamer to someone that had more pessimistic or deconstructed attitude about the games and giving their honest thoughts and having to be clever about it working around censorship. That's more his thing is just old theatrics and that type of theatrical resignation/reimagining of things using sarcasm, it's a classic role to play in theater. He's more into that stuff than big schizophrenic ideas and systems, he's not Eric Dubay or something. I remember him talking about The Golden Ass and reading it in college and just having fun goofing at shit in the book with his classmates and friends. I read it sometime afterwards randomly and could see the type of enjoyment they were getting out of it. Apuleius moves through a comical depiction of every part of Roman society before finally getting saved from his donkey form through the interference of Isis. He gets initiated into her cult, shaves his head and becomes a devoted lawyer

[Anonymous No.23670179]

>>23669086
It's because he's a fucking schizophrenic and he's traumatized from getting too deep into occult stuff and psychedelics. He's talked before about having HPPD on past streams. He also just doesn't want to get banned from Twitch and I think generally keeps a wider berth around controversial topics than Sam.

[Anonymous No.23670287]

>>23669086
I saw him do stand up and it sucked ass

[Anonymous No.23670470]

>>23669086
Twitch profile might have the old reading queue still up. The main thing is
>The Inklings (specifically Williams)
>Chaucer
>Golden Ass
>Past Masters, Lafferty
>Book of the New Sun, Wolfe

Rabbit hole'd esoterica, New Age material from last century:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpGFUcLNHueZDw1Ch9_eaEo0mNqoq6unr&si=FM7QA5k0_ohY7VuP
^About as clear and systematic exposition that isn't brain rotted weedlmao COEXIST pablum. If you absolutely must look into it, stick to Rudolf Steiner, Edgar Cayce, Urantia Book. If you've heard the phrase "ascended masters" it's in this wheelhouse (specifically Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled).

As far as technocracy angle goes, Marshal McLuhan, Edward Bernays, all of that + picrel. This is the 'Ahrimanic' impulse Steiner alludes to. Baudrillard & Mark Fisher relevant but not necessarily to his taste.

>Nephilim Looked Like Clowns
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvlHGyJ0JEwDPbEFPNH9dQwFEFaIeKRVd
>flat earth, literally
>space fake & gay
>Chicago World Fair, Tataria, orphan trains,
>Post Millennial Reign (most recent bête noire)
>Anglo-American Elite, Carrol Quigley

>>23669294
>I’m genuinely mentally ill and want to create a post-it note evidence board to connect all the dots. I’ll dig for information on Tor if I have to.

Carrol's not cynical, but a lot more skeptical than he lets on about all of this material; guy's Catholic at the bottom of it. Conspiracy literature as a genre is fraught with well poisoning (Soviets, then the British before them) and in general not worth schizo post-it correspondence effort:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6HuUqMFyI

That said, hermeticism & alchemy are the native strain preserving Greco-Roman (and Egyptian) religion/metaphysics/mysteries in the West, something regularly downplayed-- if you want to investigate that, read the through the late Platonists like Porphyry, Plotinus, Eriugena + the Corpus Hermeticum & Greek Magical papyri, it's largely derivative thereof-- then content like Modern Hermeticist's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR59Veb-JFo

Chuck will spaz often over Saturn -- see Peter Mark Adam's Game of Saturn & Mystae, Nonnus' Dionysiaca

>>23669959
>like Joseph P. Farrell

All of his work is in OP's vein, especially as an Oxford Patristics Phd covering this material. Equally intredasting contemporary takes his cousin met Danny Casolero, the Promis/INSLAW investigator during such
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQOkJqYrZY

[Anonymous No.23670521]

>>23670470
>>flat earth, literally
Why flat earth over a model like Godgevlamste's crater earth? The latter makes more sense when you factor in the testimony of Admiral Byrd during Operation Highjump and the continued secrecy around Antarctica. That coupled with all the early maps of earth from antiquity. Strict "flat earth" model seems like erroneously conflating subtle planes as though they were literal in the physical. Not the mention that the topography of the Moon is a 1:1 match for the surface of Earth when considered from the crater model. I haven't heard any sufficient argument as to why it isn't the crater model.

[Anonymous No.23670525]

>>23670521
Not to mention**

[Anonymous No.23670659]

>>23669242
>model tier
You can't inherit plastic surgery and filters bruv. I like the guy, but he got scammed.

[Anonymous No.23670663]

>>23670470
>guy's Catholic at the bottom of it
imagine thinking this

[Anonymous No.23670809]

Baldanders is in the thread with us...

Along with a bunch of nuMDE election tourists...

[Anonymous No.23670904]

>>23669386
The Phenotype

[Anonymous No.23670915]

>>23669105
Christcuckery.

[Anonymous No.23671289]

Here I can tell you. I believe in truth and have nothing to lose.

He's a christian who believes in spiritual warfare. You can hear this in how he talks about pornography as molestation and a lot more. He believes in esoteric Hollywood occultists like Jay Dyer talks about. You may understand more if you look into the history of Kabbalah and the book 1666 Redemption Through Sin which talks about the intersection of esoteric judaism and satanism. Beyond this, there are topics of evil like child sex trafficking that are real but not good to reference on youtube.

[Anonymous No.23671296]

even tho that dude is obv old for some reason he gives off teenage guy vibes maybe it's the hooded jean jacket idk

[Anonymous No.23671300]

>>23671296
>he’s an ex-comedian from MDE
ah ha! so my adolescent manchild sense was correct.

[Anonymous No.23671305]

>>23671289
Keep in mind Charls doesn't agree with everything in all these books. "Albert Pike - Morals and Dogma" and "Karl Popper - The Open Society and Its Enemies" are for understanding how the enemy thinks

[Anonymous No.23671342]

The MDE drama taught me to despise artists in general.

[Anonymous No.23671356]

>>23669086
Charles is a Guenon scholar.

[Anonymous No.23671365]

Charls is 50% a grifter. His philosophy is that if you're being lied about trivial things in your daily life, then everything is fake. So he will go as far as claim that space and all of history is fake. His whole bit is taking some social issue to the extreme, making the problem scream in your face for you to notice. It's hard to draw the line where he's being serious and when the bit starts, but people shouldn't just take everything he says at face value.

[Anonymous No.23671379]

>>23669086
>gatekeeping
Have you ever considered he just doesn't know enough to go deeper and is just trying to keep up a facade that he does? You already acknowledged he's a personality cult. Don't you think "Let's not get too deep" is just him saying "I don't know, I don't have the answers, but I don't want to give away the game."

[Anonymous No.23671392]

>>23671365
History taught in school is fake. The idea of space being fake is both a positive psyop to open minds and reference to electric universe type theories. The media was able to get a bunch of experts to lie about covid and that tells you everything you need to know about how it works.

[Anonymous No.23671741]

[Anonymous No.23671782]

All those times on Knob Hill…
https://youtube.com/watch?v=E6VR4NNZr1k

[Anonymous No.23671887]

>>23669105
I just looked up his Twitter because I don't remember it being so bad a year or two ago. The sunglasses make him look a lot older. He doesn't look that bad.

[Anonymous No.23671898]

>>23669086
How do grown adults find the time to read all that?

[Anonymous No.23671902]

>>23671898
wake up early and read 2 hours every morning, consistent bedtime and wakeup, and read during any gaps throughout the day

[Anonymous No.23672166]

>>23671342
Elaborate

[Anonymous No.23672763]

>>23671782
for me, it's knife school. possibly the best thing they've ever done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsGcg1icSyA

[Anonymous No.23672773]

>>23669234
This, it doesnt seem like it has much more than aesthetic posturing layered on top of just good advice about how to live. He talks about God and stuff but never seems to elaborate on any of it, he'll say things on stream like they are self-evidently true and everyone in his chat who already 'feels' it just nods along. Thats fine but i wish he'd be more transparent about it instead of acting like a prophet of the apocalypse

[Anonymous No.23672803]

Read the Bible

[Anonymous No.23673636]

>>23669086
He also avoids talking deeply about shit because if he did, he would have to actually formulate and defend a well thought out opinion on difficult and controversial subjects, which he is unwilling or unable to do

[Anonymous No.23673641]

>>23673636
t. Neil Degrasse Tyson

[Anonymous No.23673655]

>>23673636
Having said that though, he is also a comedian
He clearly has strong opinions on things, but, just like Sam, he has subtle tells and you can tell when he’s just in character, which just happens to be most of the time

[Anonymous No.23673659]

>>23673655
>which just happens to be most of the time
You aren't even able to distinguish the third layer which is "I'm going to give 'tells' that I'm being ironic, but is what I'm saying right now /really/ ironic? Or am I just too cowardly to stand by this 'ironic' statement?"

[Anonymous No.23673699]

>>23669086
he's very idiosyncratic but he isn't generally trying to talk in riddles, at least when I first got into him. I imagine it has become more difficult for the average person to understand what he is saying. Sometimes he does say non-sequiturs to throw you off though, or say something that is meant to be humorous due to his background, which is avant garde sketch comedy. I believe he studied literature in school, and also knows some things about consiracies, theology and occult stuff. he has a reading list called Charls Carrol's PURE Reading List
>>23669465
>>23669460
Carrol's PURE Reading List

>>23669234
he seems to be in a kind of repetitive rut with the things he talks about lately. I would be too if i had to stream for hours 3 days a week

[Anonymous No.23673728]

>>23670157
im reading apuleius in latin currently. it is actually a hilarious book. English language comedies like a confederacy of dunces don't scratch the same itch. I recommend the 1566 William Adlington translation, which gives a very good approximation of the style of the book, which is such an important part of it.

>>23670663
>>23671289
i think he was raised catholic but his views are basically gnostic. Obviously Carrol would be obliterated by Dyer in a debate on any topic about theology or specifics of hollywood occultists, because Dyer studied philosophy and does nothing but debate and so on, but Dyer is actually more of an unimaginative normie when it comes to unsubstantiated conspiracies, which I think is the wrong move.
>>23671365
>>23671392
i feel like you are both correct.
but either way my favorite take is "you're still paying for gas?"

everybody give your favorite charls line

[Anonymous No.23673742]

>>23673728
Chuck just knows a lot of inside baseball about conspiracies, occultism and the weird intersection where both topics meet. This is a legacy of online culture from the 2000s and 2010s. He speaks in shadowy reference to these things under the assumption his niche audience is similarly versed. Also because speaking about these things too openly can bring a lot of trouble into one's life, and, through his public image via MDE, already has. It's not to grift, but to stay out of the societal mess.

There's not much to any of that stuff though. Just mind your business and be an ethical person.

[Anonymous No.23673747]

>>23673728
My favorite Charls line will always be
>Classic day, every day
From his homeless days

[Anonymous No.23673831]

It's interesting because he was pressured by his e celeb wife to get back in it with Sam for her own need for attention. I also feel he was encouraged by his friend group, Eric for example, to make nice with Sam so he could return on WP2. He spoke about doing it for the "greater good" and the "needs of the many". It was just kind of disappointing because he was so adamant about never returning to Sam and spoke very highly about his integrity.

I can't say I would of done different but you also hope and expect your internet heroes to be better. It is also concerning that his wife is so interested in fame and plastic surgery. Probably not the wisest choice in women desu.

[Anonymous No.23673915]

>>23673742
you could say that but the "but let's not talk bout that" shtick can both be genuine from his perspective and practically a rhetorical device or a way create interest and gain viewership

[Anonymous No.23673919]

>>23673831
>for her own need for attention
like all women. but its a gross misinterpretation to forget that they also have kids and this is how he makes money. wouldn't you expect a mother to encourage her husband to the thing that makes money and the most sense?
>he was so adamant
Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black

[Anonymous No.23673935]

>>23673831
>your internet heroes

[Anonymous No.23674440]

>>23670470
Charles is a flat earth tard?

[Anonymous No.23674451]

>>23673728
imagine thinking Dyer can actually argue successfully in a debate

[Anonymous No.23674680]

>>23669417
>that one stream where his wife was trying to get him to say some islamic words in earnest and he just kept fucking around the entire time

[Anonymous No.23674750]

>>23674451
you can shit on him all you want but the guy constantly debates and hones his skills. who else is doing multiple hour long shows letting anyone and everyone on to defend their positions? he's done formal debates for years and continuously shows he's more aware of fundamental issues in a given position than his opponents who defend them.

[Anonymous No.23674752]

i like chuck but he is retarded most of the time

[Anonymous No.23674930]

>>23674750
Dyer's whole edifice is based on a parlor trick wherein he doesn't actually have to argue about the finer points of his beliefs (his denial of evolution, belief in biblical inerrancy) because 'it is only the Orthodox worldview that gives you the POSSIBILITY of knowledge'.

[Anonymous No.23675178]

>>23674930
>he doesn't actually have to argue about the finer points
Why would you ever bother doing this in a debate if the other person can't justify it? He's there to point out the arbitrariness of the positions, not indulge them. He could give two fucks how intricate a position is if it's based on a preference that can't substantiate why it's better than any other preference. The best you'll get is harm avoidance, but once again, that's just another preference that begs the question, and because people are too retarded to understand what he's getting at they end up going in circles which makes for a shit watch. If you want to watch someone who will roll around in the mud watch Andrew Wilson. His appearances on the whatever podcast are complete slop, but he has some decent debates on his own channel.

[Anonymous No.23675224]

>>23674930
>argue about the finer points of his beliefs (his denial of evolution, belief in biblical inerrancy)

He's debated the finer points countless times in the past. Look at his JF debate for evolution. The problem of biblical inerrancy is brought up when debating Protestants because the epistemology Orthodoxy operates under requires an apostolic Church to mitigate this and other problems in this vein

[Anonymous No.23675768]

anyone notice that Sam sits uncomfortably close to Charls during the podcasts? And the first one they had he was violently destroying things and kicking things right next to Charls.

[Anonymous No.23675823]

>>23675768
>uncomfortably close
Maybe I'm not remembering it the same since it's been so long since I saw any podcasts in full, but you sound insane. Sam has always looked more comfortable around Charles than Nick since they're both fucking nerds at heart. That's probably where the closeness comes from. As far as destroying things goes, when does he ever not do that?

[Anonymous No.23675934]

>>23673919
oh so she encouraged Charls to make up with someone he hates because she is such a good mother? LOL see you in 10 years when they are divorced.

[Anonymous No.23675937]

>>23675823
I'm insane because I noticed Sam sits on top of Charls? And you think he does that because they get along so well and are nerds at heart? Yea, you should take your meds mate.

[Anonymous No.23675946]

>>23675937
>I'm insane because I noticed Sam sits on top of Charls
Considering nothing even close to that happened, yeah you are.

[Anonymous No.23675973]

>>23675946
well you sound like a fat nigger

[Anonymous No.23677935]

>>23674752
This. He's very likeable and has a good heart but also has absolutely no clue what he's talking about most of the time.

[Anonymous No.23679190]

>>23677935
He's great when he's focusing on prayer and amplifying good will and all that kind of inner work. It can recalibrate somebody.

[Anonymous No.23679417]

>>23679190
Yeah I thought this whole thing of his might just be a shtick, but there is a lot of value to what he does. He helps people get out of bad places me included.

[Anonymous No.23681291]

I watch his stuff, and he's fascinating, but a lot of it is total nonsense.

[Anonymous No.23681942]

>>23669086
He has some good riffs every once and a while, but I can rarely watch him for more than 5 minutes before I start to feel like I'm taking crazy pills. This is especially true for his 'mirth' skits and podcasts. They're all extremely awkward and unfunny to me. When he's not meandering I find him interesting to listen to since he's into a lot of obscure things I never engaged with, and he has a great voice.