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[Anonymous No.2361068]

How do you deal with your narcissism?

[Anonymous No.2361069]

too vague wouldn't bang

[mathfag No.2361071]

self-loathing induced by perfectionism

sage for not /lit/

[Anonymous No.2361092]

>>2361071
That's the cause, not the cure.

[Anonymous No.2361098]

my psychologist says my narcissism is not a bad thing if it's not causing any problems in my life.

[Anonymous No.2361099]

I obsess about how stupid and ugly everyone but me is. It passes the time.

[Anonymous No.2361103]

i'm not particularly narcisisisisistic

[Anonymous No.2361106]

>>2361099
Laughed out loud.

[Anonymous No.2361115]

I look around and realize that nearly everyone else is much, much worse.

[Anonymous No.2361122]

>>2361115

*more narcissistic

[mathfag No.2361132]

>>2361092
i thought narcissists loved themselves but wtf do i know about psychology

[Anonymous No.2361195]

Poor Echo.

[Anonymous No.2361201]

>>2361132
Narcissists appear to love themselves, but only because they are terribly insecure. That's why they focus on themselves, they're insecurity makes them self-conscious.

[Anonymous No.2361265]

meditating on the works of tha stoics

[Anonymous No.2361283]

>>2361201

This makes sense but I have no way of knowing whether or not it is true.

[Anonymous No.2361287]

I work at Subway.

Gives me lots of time to think.

[Anonymous No.2361290]

>>2361287
How pissed off do you get when people order every fucking thing on their sandwich?

[Anonymous No.2361295]

>>2361290
Fuck you, their vegetarian shit is overpriced.

[Anonymous No.2361298]

revel in it.

[Anonymous No.2361301]

>>2361295
No, fuck you. And fuck yourself and the dildo you rode in on.

All their shit is overpriced. I'm asking about the fuckers who order jalapeños and guacamole on their tuna.

[Anonymous No.2361302]

Once in a while, I dote on Echo.

[Anonymous No.2361308]

I don't talk to other people very much.
Seems like a waste of time.

That's mostly out of a preference for solitude, but I think I prefer it because I think so highly of myself.

[Anonymous No.2361323]

>>2361290
why would that piss him off, unless he's vicariously pissed for the people having to wait behind the person who is order every single vegatable. i mean, if he's not shoving vegetables into a greasy roll, then he'd be doing some other shit work instead like cleaning up, or just doing nothing.

i've always wondered why subway workers can never remember more than 1–2 vegetables at a time. you'd think thye could remember a list of four, but you have to repeat every one of them

[Anonymous No.2361340]

>>2361323

endless repetition makes it hard to remember things.
do you remember pi to ten thousand places? no? WHY THE FUCK NOT YOU LOSER THERE'S ONLY TEN DIFFERENT NUMBERS

[Anonymous No.2361347]

when i deleted my facebook account & let my acquaintances' phone calls, texts, and e-mails fall by the wayside until i stopped receiving any, that helped to avoid the issue, for a while.

now, around new acquaintances, i operate by a completely overhauled social-behavioral protocol. i fake being a non-narcissist when i'm around other people, basically, to the extent that i even start to believe it. i try to act friendly, relish in chummy self-deprecating humor, pretend as though i'm a lot slower & stupider than i am. intentionally make mistakes, ask questions, even though i already know the answers to them.

[Anonymous No.2361349]

>>2361347
Is this an excerpt from Camus's "The Fall"?

[Anonymous No.2361380]

I don't know, I just discovered my narcissism, really. I mean, I always had a high sense of myself and I was aware of it, but it's hard to just admit it, you know? It puts the issue under a very different light, to say that I have a problem because I think to high of myself is troublesome to my mind. I thought that maybe I was an under achiever, that I was not doing it right, that I was not successful until I reached the megalomaniac power I seek, even if its megalomaniac about myself (that is, to get a hold of myself) and therefore I can't relax. I became neurotic, I thought people were talking about me behind my back, I thought that I was not worth it or on some other cases things were not worth me. I, I, I, me, me, me. It's fucking hard, I still don't see a way to solve this, it's a bit contraditory to just say "I'm trying my best" because this necessity for being the best is already part of the problem. I feel I'm in front of a dead end, but it's not really all that said, because at least I recognize this dead end and realize I have to turn around and get out, so there is hope. It's just too hard to do it. Talking about it here already helps.

[Anonymous No.2361408]

>>2361380

[Anonymous No.2361479]

>>2361408
>don't know if sarcastic or not

[Anonymous No.2361494]

>>2361479
No bro, I genuinely feel for you.

[Anonymous No.2361553]

I don't think of it as "narcissism" usually. I'm intensely self-focused and don't like talking to others or dealing with their needs/emotions, and am extremely contemptuous of the vast majority of people I meet. It somewhat consoles me to say that at least I don't expect others to go out of their way for me -- I'd rather just avoid most people entirely.

When I was younger, like every single other miserable suburban teenager I wanted to believe I was different, special, unique. It seemed like a justification for being miserable. After a while I got over that business and accepted that I was human, like everyone else. I began talking to people, socializing and expressing my ideas about things.

-- only to discover that there is indeed something very wrong with me, and that all my attempts to act normal (smiling, simple compliments, making small talk, doing little favors for people) are unconvincing. People have told me directly that they find me creepy, and many of them imply that I come across as a potential sociopath.

So it's not narcissism as much as being completely uninterested in, and unable to relate to, most people -- which makes me naturally self-absorbed.

[Anonymous No.2361563]

I don't think of my self in a better light than people in a vertical sense. We're all disgusting shit stains full of shit speaking shit, so I'd only be lying if I said I thought the shit that fills my intestines, mouth and soul was better than the next guys shit. I do however, like to think of myself on my own island on the horizontal side of things.

[Anonymous No.2361584]

>>2361201
>they're insecurity
>they're

/fit/fag here. I think I've just developed a small tumor.

[General Vagueness No.2361622]

I have it fight my paranoia and melancholy while my hedonism watches.
captcha: honours) rodsold

[Anonymous No.2361637]

My narcissism isn't the problem. The problem is that my delusions of grandeur are so far ahead of me that I can no longer establish a healthy midpoint goal.

No, my narcissism isn't a problem at all. However, to *entertain* my narcissism, I enjoy:
>seducing underage girls and making myself the center of their life, and then dumping them so I can jerk off while sob into their cellphones
>slowly gaining muscle by lifting weights, so that in a year or so I will be very attractive instead of very skinny
>buying fashionable clothing and wearing it whenever I make a rare excursion into public
>spending half of my entire day on 4chan looking for like-minded individuals, and convincing myself that I'm better than any who aren't like-minded
>projecting myself onto celebrities and long lost friends to try and say that there are people like me in the world, and some of them are a great success
etc.
If I were just being productive, I wouldn't hate myself.

[Anonymous No.2361639]

>>2361637
*while they sob into their cellphones

[Anonymous No.2361644]

Disassociate yourself from your self. Your actions are not your own. There is no self. But you don't believe me. You have to figure it out on your own. Good luck!

[Anonymous No.2361648]

>>2361201
that's really incorrect pop psychology bullshit. Narcissists, while potentially insecure about some of their own aspects, are truly defined by their rejection of anyone who isn't them. So for instance, if a narcissist enters a relationship, it is either solely manipulative, or part of an elaborate delusion that they are THE SAME as their partner, and that they are perfect TOGETHER.

Narcissism has huge overlap with antisocial personality disorder. As well, narcissistic rage is mostly the same as histrionics, but detached.

I would know, I'm living it. I also read the wikipedia article ;)

[Anonymous No.2361672]

>>2361648

all psychology is pop psychology.
the fact is that we have at BEST an extremely rudimentary understanding of how the mind works.

[Anonymous No.2361682]

follow this guy's advice.

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/02/the_other_ego_epidemic.html

"There are a hundred correct answers, yet all of them useless, all of them will fail precisely because you want to hear them.

There's only one that's universally effective, I've said it before and no one liked it. This is step 1: fake it.

You'll say: but this isn't a treatment, this doesn't make a real change in me, this isn't going to make me less of a narcissist if I'm faking!

All of those answers are the narcissism talking. All of those answers miss the point: your treatment isn't for you, it's for everyone else."

[Anonymous No.2361686]

>>2361672
Correction

all psychology is pseudoscience. Pop psychology is feelgood moralizing garbage that has no true intent to shed light on the human mind.

[Anonymous No.2361694]

>>2361672
No it's not. You are a pseudo intellectual.
Popular means that it's widely held by the ignorant, stinking masses, as opposed to theory and analysis in the vein of Freud, Jung, Lacan, etc.
Psychology doesn't entail KNOWING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE MIND LOLOLOL, in fact we do not nor will we ever know everything. Nor is it a pseudoscience if it follows a scientific methodology, for all science is is a methodology (proceeding to knowledge on the basis of induction as opposed to logical deduction).

As for the topic at hand, I can't recommend the book 'The Culture of Narcissism' enough. The best work of sociology I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.2361706]

>>2361682

I was just thinking about this guy, but I couldn't remember the blog name.

Normally I hate this kind of shit, but this man is fantastic.

Thanks a ton.

[General Vagueness No.2361911]

>>2361694
ah but "pop" doesn't necessarily just mean "popular" in this day and age, it's become a word almost like "newfangled" or "hipster" to describe the ignorance and arrogance of certain young stupid people (I think we all know the type)
>>2361682
this is my favorite treatment for anything since medicated chocolate syrup... hmm...
*stops by the patent office*

[Anonymous No.2363781]

i donate money to world vision every month and support the arts to the extent i'm able. im also a vegetarian and live a relatively conscious consumer life.

[Anonymous No.2363789]

>>2361694
>all science is is a methodology

[Anonymous No.2363792]

>>2361694
I like you.

[Anonymous No.2363807]

>>2361648
>that's really incorrect pop psychology bullshit. Narcissists, while potentially insecure about some of their own aspects, are truly defined by their rejection of anyone who isn't them. So for instance, if a narcissist enters a relationship, it is either solely manipulative, or part of an elaborate delusion that they are THE SAME as their partner, and that they are perfect TOGETHER.

>Narcissism has huge overlap with antisocial personality disorder. As well, narcissistic rage is mostly the same as histrionics, but detached.
I like how you go "pop psychology bullshit" and then proceed to describe the pop psychology bullshit version.

[Anonymous No.2363819]

>>2361347
I say pardon almost every time anyone says anything, in order to make it seem like I'm not fantastically bright. I also apologise profusely whenever I do anything that in any way could be perceived as something someone might need to apologise for. Furthermore, I ask questions I already know the answer to. It all happens almost subconsciously now.

[Anonymous No.2363821]

you guys are fags.

[Anonymous No.2363825]

>>2361694
But Freud was a complete fucking moron on retrospect.

[Anonymous No.2363834]

ITT: assholes feeling sorry for themselves.

[Anonymous No.2363841]

>>2361694
Isn't psychoanalysis pseudoscience though?

[Anonymous No.2363867]

>>2363841
Pleb detected.
>isn't History pseudoscience
>isn't Art pseudoscience
>isn't Theatre pseudoscience
>isn't Real Life pseudoscience
>isn't Literature pseudoscience
etc

[Anonymous No.2363870]

>>2363841
>got unfavorable results from psychological analysis
>call it pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.2363874]

>>2363834
This is how I feel.

I'm sorry I'm an asshole, world...

[Anonymous No.2363876]

>>2363841
Well, it depends on your definition of science. Some people have defined science as any rigorously logical discourse, in which case, some psychoanalysis can pass. If you define science as truth verified by experiment, then psychoanalysis isn't science at all. The idea of psuedoscience is actually a pretty weird one. It refers to something that uses scientific language but doesn't have the objectivity of scientific technique. However, strictly speaking, what this comes down to is a matter of politics. You don't want people making decisions on the more subjectively-tainted sciences. However, strictly speaking, all scientific studies have systemic problems, subjective and trancendental non-scientificc elements. So, for yourself, you should read the shit and make your own mind up. And that applys as much to Einstein as it does to Freud.

[Anonymous No.2363879]

>>2363874

I would tell you that your post made me burst into giggles, but then I would feel bad. Chin up, asshole.

[Anonymous No.2363882]

>>2361265


This.

[Anonymous No.2363887]

>>2363876
>So, for yourself, you should read the shit and make your own mind up.
Yeah, I'm aware of that.
In any case, the only definition of "science", would be whether the scientific method is applied or not. Of course it's not just a binary value of 0 or 1, but this way you have a pretty good criterion to judge with.

[Anonymous No.2363890]

>>2363876
Psychology is based on fuzzy logic. I find it funny how some people reject anything that isn't "exact" science yet gleefully accept certain views that haven't went through rigorous testing and analysis.

[Anonymous No.2363894]

>>2363887
Well, science is actually a lot older than that. And sure, you could define it like that, but it wouldn't tell you what 'scientific' means, in relation to 'scientific fact's truth value. For that, you need something more than a tautological definition.

[Anonymous No.2363895]

>>2363887
>In any case, the only definition of "science", would be whether the scientific method is applied or not.
No. You should read up on some philosophy of science.

[Anonymous No.2363898]

>>2363895
Good books to start? Popper?

[Anonymous No.2363920]

>>2363898
You could, but the thing about Popper is, people think he is a philosopher of science. He is, it's true. However, that's not what he's really up to. Really, he just fucking hates communists. Seriously, like, every book he ever wrote is either explicitly or implicitly targeted against communists. It kind've fucks up his philosophy, having that great an axe to grind.

Popper's also quite a tricky place to start because he articulates (well) the commonly held line about science. That makes it feel very intuitive, and makes it difficult to see where he's making leaps or non-sequiturs. You're better off starting with someone a little more crazy, like Bachelard.

[Anonymous No.2363929]

>>2363920
All right, thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.2363980]

>>2363807
Tell us the real one, then, bro.