/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.23530196]

My heroes.

[Anonymous No.23530208]

What's it like being an incel?

[Anonymous No.23530220]

>>23530196
I don't understand how you can be a fan of both Nietzsche and Wagner at the same time. The birth of tragedy works well with Wagner, but after that their works are almost totally opposed, in a quite deliberate manner on the part of Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.23530258]

>>23530220
Contradiction advances Nietzsche's philosophy, and with Wagner Nietzsche has more in common than differences anyway. TBOT is Nietzsche's own philological application of Wagner's own philosophy, which altered Schopenhauer's system, and gave Nietzsche his essentially Dionysian direction for the rest of his career. You can see from the following quotes how close Nietzsche always felt to Wagner:

>I am better now and I even believe that Wagner's death was the most substantial relief that could have been given me just now. It was hard for six years to have to be the opponent of the man one had most reverenced on earth, and my constitution is not sufficiently coarse for such a position. After all it was Wagner grown senile whom I was forced to resist; as to the genuine Wagner, I shall yet attempt to become in a great measure his heir (as I have often assured Fräulein Malvida, though she would not believe it).
- Letter from Nietzsche, 1883

>Perhaps a subtler comparison will reveal that, to the credit of Richard Wagner's German nature, he fashioned stronger, more daring, more severe and more elevated things than a nineteenth‑century Frenchman could have done — thanks to the circumstance that we Germans are still closer to barbarism than the French —; perhaps the most remarkable thing Wagner created is even inaccessible, inimitable to the entire, so late Latin race for ever and not only for the present: the figure of Siegfried, that very free human being who may indeed be much too free, too hard, too cheerful, too healthy, too anti‑Catholic for the taste of peoples of an ancient, mellow culture. He may even have been a sin against romanticism, this anti‑Romantic Siegfried: well, Wagner amply atoned for this sin in his old, melancholy days when — anticipating a taste which has since become political — he began, with the religious vehemence characteristic of him, if not to walk at any rate to preach the road to Rome.
- Beyond Good and Evil

>I suppose I know better than any one the prodigious feats of which Wagner was capable, the fifty worlds of strange ecstasies to which no one else had wings to soar; and as I am alive to-day and strong enough to turn even the most suspicious and most dangerous things to my own advantage, and thus to grow stronger, I declare Wagner to have been the greatest benefactor of my life. The bond which unites us is the fact that we have suffered greater agony, even at each other's hands, than most men are able to bear nowadays, and this will always keep our names associated in the minds of men. For, just as Wagner is merely a misunderstanding among Germans, so, in truth, am I, and ever will be.
- Ecce Homo

[Anonymous No.23530891]

>>23530258
pathetic. wagner never wrote about nietzsche except in his letters to tell his friends that he jerked off too much.

[Anonymous No.23530947]

>we read Hölderlin's Hyperion. R. and I recognize with some concern the great influence this writer has had on Prof. Nietzsche; rhetorical extravagance, incorrect and clotted imagery (the north wind which scorches the blossoms, etc.), but a fine, noble intellect, though R. says he cannot really believe in such neo-Greeks—he is constantly expecting him to say suddenly: I studied in Halberstadt, etc.
t. Cosima

[Anonymous No.23531122]

>>23530947
>he is constantly expecting him to say suddenly: I studied in Halberstadt, etc.
I never understood this part. IIRC an explanation in a past thread was that Halberstadt university had a large Jewish population, but I don't see how that connects with neo-Hellenism.

[Anonymous No.23531243]

>>23530196
You must be insufferable.

[Anonymous No.23531298]

>>23530196
Why are they all german

[Anonymous No.23531308]

>>23531298
because op is a faggot and cringe neo nazi

[Anonymous No.23531311]

>>23531308
I am trans btw, not sure if that matters

[Anonymous No.23531629]

>>23531308
German =/= Neo nazi specially since they dont read books but yes OP is a faggot

[Anonymous No.23532562]

>>23531122
Yeah i've seen those Threads. They all overlook the main simple idea:
The contrast of provincial rainy Halberstadt at foot of foggy Harz mountains and greece with summer-clear mount olympus couldnt be stronger. A neogreek german academic just wasnt convincing.

[Anonymous No.23534165]

>>23532562
Ah, that makes sense, thank you. Now I finally understand it.

[Anonymous No.23534471]

>>23531308
>>23531298
>>23531243
Giving brownoids internet access was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.23534476]

>>23534471
the bourgeois revolution and the german vermin were a mistake

[Anonymous No.23534484]

>>23534471
post hand, shitskin. you will never be white

[Anonymous No.23534487]

>>23534476
>>23534484
Good morning

[Anonymous No.23534491]

>>23534471
tell me about it, my life would've been so much better without it

[Anonymous No.23534831]

>>23530196
Holderlin is the greatest and perhaps the only truly relevant modern poet. no one else even comes close

[Anonymous No.23534902]

>>23530891
Wagner was literally a father figure to Nietzsche before they broke

[Anonymous No.23535029]

>>23534831
>the only truly relevant modern poet
And why's that?

[Anonymous No.23535030]

>>23530196
What’s it like being monolingual?

[Anonymous No.23535270]

>>23530196
that young picture of nietzsche will always be fucking hilarious to me. how many philosophers would've been r9k posters had they been born in the modern era?

[Anonymous No.23535810]

>>23531311
You will never be a woman.

[Anonymous No.23536076]

>>23530196
My heroes

[Anonymous No.23536097]

>>23535810
You will never be interesting

[Anonymous No.23536131]

Aristotle -> Hegel -> Marx -> Lenin -> Stalin -> Mao -> Franco Freda

[Anonymous No.23536851]

>>23535270
He looks normal...

[Anonymous No.23537229]

>>23530196
... and KEKgner.